https://youtu.be/wDOvmhqvIA8

> Every article you read here is written by university scholars and researchers with deep expertise in their subjects, sharing their knowledge in their own words. We don’t oversimplify complicated issues, but we do explain and clarify. We believe bringing the voices of experts into the public discourse is good for democracy.

Probably the usual "big words hard" mindset of people who aren't used to reading well-written prose.

Source; chemistry was my favorite class in high school and college because it helped me understand how to extract what I wanted from plants like jimsonweed and Mimosa trees.

Also no one should do that.

I still maintain that deliriants are for nobody though.

DMT is fine in moderation. But anything that is labeled as a deliriant will not give you any kind of joy or knowledge. It will just fuck you for a lot longer than you think.

The tribes are ofc intimately familiar with the dangers of Datura. Experts that had studied the plant their whole lives were in charge of this ritual. They knew what season, what time of day, and how to harvest Datura (indeed modern science show Datura alkaloids vary drastically by time of day, weather, and environmental conditions). They also paid attention to the age and condition of the plant and the type of soil. Plants growing in indirect sunlight are less potent and preferred for initiation rituals. People undergoing the ritual had to go through a rigorous physical and dietary regime in the days preceding.

They had a clear distinction between a Datura "trance" vs just straight up delirium and the experts would closely watch the person receiving the potion to know how they are doing. The initiate is never left alone and is closely supervised during the full experience (which is multiple days)

Anyways my point with all this is that, this is NOT the same experience you get from reading some Erowid posts. Even if you are taking all the precautions. A traditional "trance" that's closely monitored by an expert is a different experience entirely.

But it’s a new rebirth. Peptides are here and are unscheduled and do not fall under the analog act. Everything that was experienced in that early 10s era is happening all over again now :)

But the rest is all that you said

Then said friends I introduced it to decided to freewheel it once and did end up in a state for 2 days.

So I guess information is power or something.

Only if it is before you breed, or you kill your own kids.

Maybe kid could accidentally get a hold of it, or other adults that didn't buy it. However, from the article (as far as I could get before the ads locked me out) there is a type that tends to have this happen to them (middle aged men IIRC). So it seems to be intentional.

Anything distilled may contain methanol.

Mushrooms can be a different type than what’s on the label.

Fermented products may contain poisons from dangerous bacteria. If you’ve heard about entire churches full of people dying in South America from bad food, it most likely fermented corn.

Expired food products may be contaminated with bacteria. (Unless they canned, jarred, or too dry Etc.)

Fresh apples may contain enough pesticide to make you sick. Wipe them off with a paper towel before use if you’re not peeling them.

* Suldenafil or tadalafil (ED medication)

* SARMS (steroids in general)

* Caffeine powder (another game of guess the dosage)

I found a study saying "the caffeine content in tested dietary supplements is 4–35% higher than the declared amount in most cases" which doesn't seem very dangerous.

You can overdose on caffeine in other ways, of course.

- Sand (inhaled)

- Air (intravenous)

- Blood thinners or rat poison

I mostly thought they were joking, and I have no idea what specific type of rhododendron would be there (if any), but maybe there’s a glimmer of merit to it? Or maybe they were thinking of a different plant?

This was somewhere in the Blue Ridge Mountains, if I remember correctly.

1: https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/immunology-and-microbio...

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-a-deadly-camping-t...

I also burned Rhododendron wood in campfires and brush fires more times than I can count without any adverse effects that I know of. My back yard was completely overgrown with the stuff. I’m sure the smoke inhalation of any fire is worse for you than anything specific about rhododendrons.

https://outdoors.stackexchange.com/questions/7100/are-rhodod...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11946565/

But why would we poison our society by trying to protect these superfluous ones? They may not deserve death, but the more we eliminate the consequences of irresponsible actions, the more irresponsibly people can be and survive, thrive, and even rise to the throne.

Everyone thinks they are the exception. You are not. You have eaten things you did not vet. You haven’t been poisoned by bathroom products (yet). You are alive because of protections like this.

The only reasonable way to live your life is under the assumption that people don’t deserve to die for being wrong about something they buy and eat. This is not something that should have to be spelled out man. The “darwin awards” argument is cruel and sociopathic if you take it beyond a morbid joke and instead actually believe people deserve to die over something as simple as not having perfect knowledge over what they consume.

Now you can certainly argue we should make that impossible, but I am explicitly arguing that doing so makes society worse. I have made no claims one way or the other about what they deserve, because that is a religious claim, not an objective one.

You’re literally preaching eugenics and calling people you consider to be of lower intellect “superfluous” because of some poor judgment.

What's this claim based on? I don't think it's the rat study linked nearby. I looked through it and they didn't really compare doses.

If it's a linear effect on dropping blood pressure, that seems like an overblown way to talk about it. If it's something else, I'd love to hear more.

The concentration varies considerably due to bees harvesting pollen from different flowers and from some batches of honey being mixed and some not.

Those are two separate worries connected by an "and". I'm not arguing worry #2 is overblown.

And it sounds like the problem of variance is that it isn't small. If one batch can be 5x as strong as another (made up number), then even a pretty good medicinal response curve leaves you vulnerable to that much variance.

Reminds me of the Futurama episode with the space bee honey. Wonder if the writers got the inspiration from this.

> You have to wake up. Please wake up. We're all here at your bedside waiting for you to wake up. Just wake up. We love you. Please.

And I'm convinced it's because of that episode.

But seriously, I find that the one recurring theme in nightmares I have is that people simply won’t believe me.

Any man who's been told to "man up" (most) has experienced the same.

"Wake up, Mr. Quaid!"

I'm not sure if I'm entirely joking with this recommendation. For those who haven't watched - even for a show about a vampire slayer, it gets decreasingly plausible as the series go on (as do many long running shows). I remember being hit pretty hard when this episode suddenly offered a sensible explanation for everything, but a stone-cold path to get there.

Should I feel compelled to not offer spoilers on what is probably a joke recommendation anyway (117 episodes of a decades old TV show)?

Kenneth! What's the frequency? What's the frequency, Kenneth!

https://theconversation.com/mad-honey-that-can-stop-your-hea...

Grayanotoxin containing Rhododendron occur not just in Nepal, but in Turkey, North America, and Europe.

I think there are other plants that the bees concentrate the toxins of.

It must end up being rare for some other reason.

[1] https://carnegiemnh.org/collected-day-1959/

https://youtu.be/r-jZyTP4K4g

> The information about ghost pipe containing grayanotoxin is based on a single source from 1889. (Yes 1889, not 1989!)

https://unrulygardening.com/ghost-pipe-faqs/

They are also listed as endangered in several states. I see them with some regularity in Wisconsin, even had one in my yard a few years back.

edit:typo

[0] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/honey-hu...

[1] https://archive.is/Xdd01

That said, clinicians have been writing about this for some time, eg [2] from 2007:

[2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17540490/

https://youtu.be/FTaRFX4bKhI

https://youtu.be/FCFtVu6hFdw