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Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine?

I've be a pretty avid reader of the Economist for a number of years. It doesn't align exactly with my political values but I've always found the writing to be of high quality, even if I don't agree with their opinions per-se. I feel like it has a good selection of articles on local and geo-politics, culture, technology, and of course finance/economics. In the last year, I've found the quality of it to have plummeted. I'm not sure whether it's a changing of the guard and the new generation of journalists doesn't mesh with my sensibilities anymore, or perhaps my radar for spotting narrative manipulation and tabloid click-bait has grown more pronounced with all the journalistic malpractice in recent years. Either way, I've not found myself enjoying it as much as I used.

As such, I'm debating on an alternative that fills the niche it has beside my morning coffee. My question to you all is, does anyone have favorite of theirs that is comparable in quality, breadth, and is available in print not just digital? Preferably something with a UK/Euro/Global focus, not just US. Anything that keeps me relatively well informed, while sparking some intellectual curiosity, and teaching me something I didn't already know.

So far the Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, the Jacobin, le Monde Diplomatique, and the New Statesman are all in the running, so I'd like opinions from readers of those and how it compares. Tech-first magazines are also interesting to me, but I'd like at least some political news scattered within if possible.

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Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by xrayarx on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @06:40AM (#33799408)
Wall Street Journal?

It doesn’t have an euro focus though.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by montgomery_r on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @06:42AM (#33799423)
The Spectator has - generally high quality writing - a quirky (but data driven) approach - a longer history than any other magazine - a UK focus - a right wing bent, but with plenty of left wing ( or apolitical) writers for balance. Might be a solution? I gave up on the Economist after 20years 20 years ago, for much the same reasons you state!
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by nivenkos on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:14AM (#33799650)
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-brexit-looks-like/

Just objectively that has turned out to be complete nonsense...

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Tomte on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:34AM (#33799803)
If you insist on "your newspaper" always to be right, you don't have many options, and not for long.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by sgu999 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:17AM (#33800230)
Any recommendation of a fair description of the impact of Brexit on the UK and why it's not desirable? Asking as an EU citizen who keeps hearing all day how much these Brits are struggling without the rest of us.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rjsw on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:07AM (#33800929)
The effects of it are still working through the UK economy. The one group that had a valid, if selfish, reason to vote for it was people in low paid jobs. Employers are complaining that they can't recruit but don't want to increase the pay offered for the posts they can't fill. Lots of strikes planned by groups that have seen their pay fail to keep up with inflation.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by matthewmacleod on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:26AM (#33799731)
If someone's complaint about The Economist includes that it is engaging in too much "narrative manipulation", suggesting The Spectator as an alternative is verging on performance art.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pjc50 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:01AM (#33799554)
The Spectator is hyper-partisan nonsense that will make you less well informed. I can't imagine who the "left wing" writers on it are supposed to be?
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by vixen99 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:28AM (#33800378)
With a strong statement like that it would be helpful if you could provide an example or two that makes your point.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by kolp on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:47AM (#33800659)
>>I can't imagine who the "left wing" writers on it are supposed to be?

Rod Liddle - his brain is addled by the booze, but he still manages to phone in a few hundred words each fortnight.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jgrahamc on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @06:51AM (#33799470)
Are you reading Le Monde Diplomatique in French? If so, you might enjoy Courrier International.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by anonu on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @06:58AM (#33799529)
I was a longtime subscriber of Courrier Internationale, in print. The issue is if many articles are originally in English then I feel like they should be read in English to avoid the nuances lost in translation. Second issue was the latency: the translation process first then getting it in print. The topic has to be a bit evergreen otherwise I feel the world has already moved on.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by walthamstow on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @06:55AM (#33799511)
Guessing you're British or a UK resident?

If you're not reading Private Eye already I would highly recommend it.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by mellosouls on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:30AM (#33799758)
Yeah, Private Eye pretty much the only essential publication in the UK for me.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:42AM (#33799877)
Satire and comedy panel shows (HIGNFY, Mock the Week, Daily Mash, etc.) have been a major source of news and debate for me over the last decade or so. The BBC appear to be reflecting this by cancelling all news related comedy shows on TV -- presumably following pressure from the Tory government? The BBC also appear to have put a month-delay on podcasts which prevents them from helping u inform opinions on recent news. These things limit democracy, IMO. I've found such shows (in the same way as Private Eye) will lampoon anyone and so seem quite well balanced.

This all just seems to be one more data point on the chart that shows our UK government to be quite fascist.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by mellosouls on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:30AM (#33800397)
I agree with much of that, apart from the last paragraph but I think it is more likely that any deterioration of programming - while possibly coming from new pressure (including unwelcome political pressure from the government) - is indicative of a lack of depth in talent across the political spectrum that is exposed under the new light.

This has been clear for years, but perhaps there is a new urgency at the top to impress their new masters.

A lot of British comedians - at least those trying to be topical, frankly suck, with no obvious reason for their rise to fame over your average pub "wit" beyond plugging away, saying the right things, and being chums with the right people; the stronger shows succeeding despite their presence rather than because of them.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by toyg on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:51AM (#33799946)
I believe the podcast delay is just for independent clients - you can still get stuff on they day if you use the BBC Sounds app. It's just a ploy to get more people on their app.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by uncletammy on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:49AM (#33799930)
> The BBC also appear to have put a month-delay on podcasts which prevents them from helping u inform opinions on recent news.

Through what mechanism is the BBC able to delay podcasts?

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by toyg on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:52AM (#33799958)
They make it available only on their app for a month, then publish it for everyone. It's just a commercial choice to capture more listeners for their apps.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by arbitrage on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:29AM (#33800391)
Mock the Week was recently cancelled.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by stranded22 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @06:57AM (#33799520)
The Week is a bit more balanced- but you might find it better to set up a RSS reader and get info from different sources (I have used Inoreader Pro for a 4-5 years now and love it)
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by williamcotton on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:01AM (#33799553)
What narrative manipulation have you seen from The Economist? I haven’t noticed it so perhaps I am being manipulated! I’d love to hear your insight!
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pjc50 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:05AM (#33799584)
The Economist has always, since its foundation, been capital-L Liberal. That's the lens through which everything is written.

Knowing that informs you about the selection of topics they cover and the angles they will take. It doesn't make it bad - I read it for years although gave up mid-2010s - but it can be quite predictable. It's still capable of producing very high quality and thoughtful writing, which makes it more annoying when they choose not to.

Recommendation: maybe the FT?

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by williamcotton on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:16AM (#33799662)
I’m very aware of political and economic lens of The Economist as I’ve been a subscriber for over two decades.

I haven’t noticed a change other than a bit of a shift leftwards since Zanny became editor-in-chief, but I don’t mind one bit, as they haven’t lost the writers that promote classical liberalism, just added a bit of an internal critique of some aspects of academic economics.

But I’m very open to the idea that I’m missing something… especially since I’m such a fanboy!

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by ZeroGravitas on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:11AM (#33800165)
I stopped regularly reading it a while back, but the articles I end up on seem to indicate a shift to addressing a USA libertarian audience rather than a previous economics-led but with some shred of humanity.

That may just be selection bias of the articles I read.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by PedroBatista on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:10AM (#33799620)
From what I've casually noticed, in recent years they declared the EU dead at least 4 or 5 times and the bias towards some kind of Liberal US/UK lead/controlled World is clear. They are liberal and anglo, so of course the bias is there ( also smug, but that's pretty much since their beginnings) , but they try to pass their views as fact, meaning: "There's chat going around, this is what the reality is and will be.."

They ( as many others ), didn't view Ukraine fighting back and Western help as a good thing, Ukraine capitulation was "the right thing to happen" because for them Russia controlling Ukraine was a "fact of life". All this while their authors try to project an image of unmatched economic prowess but also rock-solid morals..

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by FranklinMaillot on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:30AM (#33799764)
I didn't notice any bias towards Russia in The Economist, quite the contrary. Their March 31st issue was titled "Why Ukraine must win".

https://www.economist.com/weeklyedition/2022-04-02

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by williamcotton on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:24AM (#33799720)
You must be reading a different magazine than I have because The Economist has been writing a lot about the need for the US and the West to provide military and economic aid in support of Ukraine!
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by PedroBatista on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:42AM (#33799879)
Yeah, I've been ready the magazine for more than a couple years.

When "nothing is gonna happen" and business was good, there was the need to "support"/sell Ukraine stuff. When shit got real "It was important for the World to don't confront Russia and let it be", when Russia flubbed the military support for Ukraine needed to be much more! more!.

I'm sure now that the war is extensive but also will be long, they'll try to push the "Listen.. you have to broke a deal with Putin."

Every take they had over the years is in line with pretty much every tabloid. My main criticism is they pretend they are something else, some high society deep thinkers, when in reality they are not. They've missed every economic crash and found every one of it the same way all the others did.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by skrebbel on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:45AM (#33799901)
> They ( as many others ), didn't view Ukraine fighting back and Western help as a good thing, Ukraine capitulation was "the right thing to happen"

Nearly every issue since February this year has contained calls to support Ukraine, titles like "Why Ukraine must win" and so on. They're very hawkish pro a Ukraine all-out victory, often describing Ukraine as fighting for all of Europe's (or even the entire West's) freedom.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by PedroBatista on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:11AM (#33800160)
You seem to view things with a very broad brush, did you actually read the magazine or just peruse?

Just as an example, did you read the things Mearsheimer wrote?

Since this Economist thing has become a quagmire due to Ukraine ( my fault for bring it up ), I reiterate my point:

I don't really have anything against them, not even their biases. I do get pissed when they somehow ride their wave of superiority when in fact they are pretty much mainstream. Yeah, they are better than the DailyMail, but not by the amount they project.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by skrebbel on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:31AM (#33800408)
> You seem to view things with a very broad brush, did you actually read the magazine

Yes, the print edition. Care to actually rebuke my arguments instead of making assumptions?

> Just as an example, did you read the things Mearsheimer wrote?

I googled this because I was confused because I could not remember seeing his ideas there (which I remember finding totally ridiculous). Turns out this was a "by invitation" section, clearly presented as an outside opinion. I haven't seen them reiterate his ideas anywhere (which I'd summarize as "it's totally OK for powerful countries to scare neighbours into becoming 'buffer zone' client states without any say in the matter"), they're very much for Ukraine's ability to determine their own future.

If you're angry about a paper publishing opinion pieces you're going to be angry about just about every paper out there because every one of them is going to sooner or later publish an opinion piece that you disagree with. That's the whole idea of opinion sections.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by axlee on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:23AM (#33799703)
Anything that they write about France (or southern europe in general) is utter crap and often disproven by reality a few years later. It reeks of anglosaxon exceptionalism.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rswail on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:38AM (#33799830)
They were and are right about Berlusconi though.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by williamcotton on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:28AM (#33799750)
Well that’s nothing new!
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Aromasin on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:47AM (#33799916)
The way they discuss the UK/EU dynamic rankles me. They spend an inordinate amount of time complaining about Europe, while talking about the UK as if it's on the cusp of a new age.

I also loathe their coverage of the UK budget. It's a personally belief that George Osbourne's tenure in government has single-handedly sent the UK in a seemingly bottomless downward spiral back into 1970's Britain. He delivered his budget based on short-term fixes and populist gambits. The Economist talk about him and his policies as if he were some misunderstood hero of the age, and laud the absurd austerity measures of that government. Liz Truss recycles those same policies of tax cuts to the those who need it least, and the Economist does the same; that is, until the whole market finally comes crashing down. They back track as fast as they can, trying to distance themselves from her, talking about "how they would have done differently". It just seems so two-faced.

These are just a couple of examples but in summary, when their own fundamental beliefs are shown to fail, be it social or economic, they change tact so as to appear in the right instead of owning up and admitting any fault.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by williamcotton on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:06AM (#33800114)
I should have added “in the last year” to make it explicit that I was directly responding to OP when they said they had noticed a shift “in the last year”. I haven’t noticed this shift! The shift I did notice was when Zanny took over as editor-in-chief a few years back.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Aromasin on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:05PM (#33803686)
That's sort of my point. It's something I've noticed in articles in the past year or so. This ballet around sticking to their free market principles, while also distancing themselves from discussing the matter when it fails. Looking through older issues, I can spot a few where they've gone "we got it wrong, this is what position we will take this time". There's a distinct lack of ownership in recent ones.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by wiredearp on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:07AM (#33801720)
This guy over on https://indica.medium.com/how-the-economist-is-just-propagan... comes up with a healthy analysis of exactly that.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Nimitz14 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:00PM (#33810738)
The writing here is so pathetically dramatic I suggest you wait a decade or so before recommending an article again.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by twoslide on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:02AM (#33799570)
I think others have given good recommendations, but will add the Atlantic and New Yorker.

Also agree that a problem with The Economist is that it is always overtly pushing a particular view of the view world (rooted in a faith in the rationality of markets), which is coupled with fairly strong advice/prescriptions in much of the writing.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by esperent on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:28AM (#33799747)
I kinda have the exact same experience with The Atlantic as OP does with The Economist. I used to read it regularly but now it feels there's 5% good articles and 95% some kind of highbrow clickbait.

On the front page now:

1. Seven books that will make you smarter

2. Whoops, I Deleted My Life

3. How Much Would You Pay to Save Your Cat’s Life?

4. The Strength of the ‘Soft Daddy’

5. The Black Investors Who Were Burned by Bitcoin

Etc.

These don't sound like articles that are worth my time. I did persevere with reading the magazine for quite a while out of habit but by now I'm pretty much convinced that most of these articles will be just as vapid as their titles.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by bmj on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:41AM (#33799858)
There is a difference in the online content of the Atlantic v. the print magazine. The print magazine still has some high quality content.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by civilized on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:11AM (#33800162)
Don't they ultimately publish the same stuff in both?

I would definitely appreciate a quality/triviality filter though, maybe the print is the only way to get it.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by chipotle_coyote on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:36AM (#33801289)
I think that everything that's in print is available on the web site, but there are also web-only things, so the print magazine may be a bit of a "quality/triviality filter" in that regard.

I like The Atlantic in general, although I think they have a bit of what I sometimes call a "contrarian bias", e.g., prioritizing "the conventional wisdom is X, but here's why it's wrong" think-pieces even when their theses aren't particularly strong. (Slate and Salon were much worse about that in their heyday.)

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by civilized on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:57AM (#33802547)
I think they're mostly conventional these days, but the pieces aren't that strong whether they're conventional or contrarian.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by bmj on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:42AM (#33801365)
No, there is a lot of online-only content. I believe there's a daily email with new content, and often that content is quite weak compared to what's in the print version.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by IfOnlyYouKnew on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:07AM (#33800124)
This is a selection of about 60 story links on the front page. The story about cats is about people paying thousands for organ transplants for pets, which is somewhat intriguing and new to me.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Moissanite on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:03AM (#33799572)
I enjoy the Economist (haven't noticed any change in quality), and if I had time for a second source I would probably be leaning towards the New Statesman. I somewhat foolishly subscribed to the New European after learning about it on "The Rest is Politics" (podcast with Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell); it is unashamedly far-left and mostly just full of rants - so I wouldn't recommend that.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by beginning_end on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:05AM (#33799591)
FT is good and seems to be getting better.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by BrandonS113 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:06AM (#33799596)
I go through cycles with the Economist, months when I can't stand it, and months when I read most pieces. Think it is me and the Economist. That said, I have not found any consistently better alternative in English or any of the other languages, so guess I am a lifer. But, I don't read pieces on current news in places I know well. My favorite section is letters to the editor. Like every time there is a piece on Singapore, the high commissioner will complain in the next issue.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by shia on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:10AM (#33799618)
I was in a similar place, an Economist subscriber, that stopped ~5yrs ago due to a decrease in writing quality. I switched to:

Financial Times - lead newspaper into Wirecard scandal

Süddeutsche Zeitung (in German) - famed for Panama Papers investigation

I complement it with readings from:

IEEE Spectrum (Science & Tech)

The Markup (Society)

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pandakar on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:10AM (#33799626)
Always been a fan of Harper's for a more left/artistic perspective.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by nivenkos on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:16AM (#33799665)
All of them have sunken to clickbait articles and titles IMO - case in point: https://www.ft.com/content/5a8d439b-da0f-41c0-9e6b-e857a75c2... (although the article itself is alright, even if quite brief).

I think you're better off just getting access to specific long read articles when they're released.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jll29 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:18AM (#33799676)
Very timely question, I just purchased an issue of the Economist because I was toying with the idea of re-instating a previously held subscription. I share the disappointment.

In the past, even just the book reviews were so good that they "forced" me to buy 2-3 of the reviewed books; that issue didn't intrigue me. I don't have an answer whether it's a general trend or not, as I'm trained not to ascribe too much weight to a sample of size N=1.

There's probably nothing better regardless, but I, for one, would like to see an alternative that is at the same quality level as the Economist (but with more neutral reporting and individual author names given) and an even wider scope (health, science, society, technology, geopolitics, finance, law, ...).

I subscribed the Guardian for one year just to avoid that it goes down (I could read it for free at work), and of course it is excellent, but it has a tacit pro-UK bias that brits (esp. leftists) wouldn't even notice. On the other hand they have excellent reporting and do not refrain from the most challenging topics like the Snowdon revelation (first published by The Guardian's New York office, for legal - freedom of speech - reasons).

Germany has Der Spiegel, France has Le Monde Diplomatique, but I think only the latter is available in English (I read German).

I would also enjoy paying for a single subscription that gave me online access to several of these top-tier magazine for a single flat-rate monthly or annual subscription price.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by nerdawson on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:26AM (#33799735)
> …would like to see an alternative that is at the same quality level as the Economist (but with more neutral reporting and individual author names given)…

More publications should remove the byline. Individual attribution incentivises journalists to try and stand out which typically means making intentionally inflammatory statements.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by dpacmittal on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:40AM (#33799842)
Interesting, my first thought was that attribution will add accountability and authors would be more careful of their words.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pjc50 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:27AM (#33800366)
The Times columnist who got cited in two mass shooter manifestos as an inspiration is still working.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by enumjorge on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:07AM (#33800923)
Can you share more info on this? I want to read more about it, but a few google search didn't turn up anything.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pjc50 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:57AM (#33802563)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/25/norway-melanie... ; I believe she was also cited by the guy who shot up a mosque in New Zealand.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by musk_micropenis on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:33PM (#33804238)
Many journalists today seem more interested in increasing their Twitter followers than being accountable.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pydry on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:12AM (#33800179)
The literal exact opposite happens. Journalists without a byline or with a shrunken byline have little incentive to build up a brand as a trustworthy and thorough reporter because they will derive no benefit from their reputation. When their bosses lean on them to produce crap to gin pageviews up just before bonus season they therefore produce crap.

Media owners want this. They want journalism to be commodities because journalists with reputations can demand higher pay. They can then claim more of the profit.

The losers are the readers and the journalists.

In a sense it's the same process that is turning amazon products into shit. Without trustworthy reputation signals, the lowest common denominator rules.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by itsoktocry on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:17AM (#33800228)
>Journalists without a byline or with a shrunken byline have little incentive to build up a brand as a trustworthy and thorough reporter because they will derive no benefit from their reputation.

Or...journalists without a byline have little incentive to "build up a brand" through by appealing to a "side" or sketchy reporting. It cuts both ways.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pydry on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:31AM (#33800421)
They are incentivized to do that anyways as their employers chase clicks and views so as to massage the bottom line. Taking away bylines won't make a dent.

Taking away bylines simply takes away the incentive to actually be different and stand out for something else.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by yucky on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:03AM (#33800873)
This doesn't necessarily mesh with what we see in reality though. The Economist doesn't use a byline and they're known as having very high quality content. Even if it's slipped a bit in recent years, it's slipped less than writing in general has. Writers who create their own brand tend to create echo chambers, because readers seek out those they trust (i.e. those who don't challenge the readers preconceived notions).

I think the biggest predictor if quality writing is the business model of the publication. Subscription based content is almost always superior. Anything that relies entirely on ad revenue is general hot garbage.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pydry on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:16AM (#33801036)
>This doesn't necessarily mesh with what we see in reality though. The Economist doesn't use a byline and they're known as having very high quality content.

A good way to see that it's not is to find out what investors or beltway policy elites would think and hunt for (entirely factual) things which might contradict their narrative.

I cited an example below of an article about github copilot that was hot garbage - like a starry eyed intern had watched an investor pitch.

On the war front one of the things which I have read in milbloggers is that a key goal of Russia's bombardment of the electricity network is to inhibit Ukrainian rail logistics and prevent the front from being resupplied. Is it working? Well, it was only ever "meant" to crack Ukrainian morale so they wouldnt even think to analyze that.

(good military reporting ought to have a bias towards logistics)

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by karp773 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:04PM (#33806813)
The goal of Russia's bombardments is to flood Europe with refugees, provoke civil unrests there and then bring to power Russia's puppets like AfD in Germany and the like.

The end goal is to undermine international support for Ukraine.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by yucky on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:23PM (#33807088)
Hasn't EU immigration policy already flooded the EU with refugees..?
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by karp773 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:22PM (#33812304)
Not at the rate of several millions per month which is very likely to happen this winter. FYI, there are estimated 6.9 millions of internally displaced people in Ukraine already.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by frippertronics on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:19AM (#33800252)
+1 for Le Monde Diplomatique. They also have localised variations with region-specific articles in addition to the translated main articles. The political orientation is to the left, but IMO it doesn't get in the way of the content.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by liotier on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:19AM (#33801077)
> France has Le Monde Diplomatique

While Le Diplo's writers are usually top rate and the international outlook extraordinary for a French publication, the caricatural "anticapitalist" and anti-USA stance tint it too much to my taste - and I'm saying that as a French socialist !

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by paganel on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:39AM (#33801330)
Not sure how relevant to HN's audience, but I found out that a very good French magazine is So Foot. It's a sports magazine with really interesting articles and pretty well written, with a slight "political" tone interspersed here and there, if you know where to look (I'd say slightly veering left).

[1] https://www.sofoot.com/

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Normille on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:55AM (#33803532)

  >I subscribed the Guardian for one year just to avoid that it goes down (I could read it for free at work), and of course it is excellent, but it has a tacit pro-UK bias that brits (esp. leftists) wouldn't even notice. On the other hand they have excellent reporting and do not refrain from the most challenging topics...
Funnily enough reading this thread [I don't read The Economist, BTW] I found myself thinking along similar lines as the OP re The Guardian [or the 'Grauniad' as it will forever be known by Private Eye[0] readers of a certain age].

When I originally used to read The 'Graun' back in the 80s 90s, it was a crusading paper which did cover 'challenging topics' --such as Britain's role in Northern Ireland, US bases in Europe, Britain's membership of NATO, nuclear disarmament, class struggle, etc. etc. ie. proper socialist politics.

Now, whenever I look at their website all I see are endless articles about racism, hompophobia, transgenderism... whether what X said on Twitter was racist... whether Y's opinion on sport is transgenderist etc. etc. Issues which the current crop of Guardian journalists probably think are terrifically 'crusading' and 'challenging' but which are just pushing at the same open door as every other 'right on' publication and website around and which I find tedious beyond measure. Virtue signalling trivia masquerading as crusading journalism.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurring_jokes_in_Private_Eye

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jakozaur on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:19AM (#33799679)
I am long-time fun of Economist, but unfortunately the quality decreases. E.g. last issue EU is frozen and claim so many people will die in Europe due to high energy prices.

First, I find they did not explain their model well. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Second, the correlation does not imply causation or whether extrapolations are solid. It looks like there might be mistakes on that front and there are many spurious correlations (e.g. high energy in the past might mean high unemployment).

Third, so far the country experiencing freezing is the Ukraine due to power outages. Just one sentence mentioning, whether in Ukraine for sure many people are going to die due to distrusted power, heating or water supplies.

So far on general economics, I love: https://noahpinion.substack.com/

Though, it is hard for me to find comprehensive Economist replacement.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by izacus on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:31AM (#33799773)
Economist usually has some seriously bizarre articles about EU with a massive pro-USA bias when attempting any analysis. That ultimately made me stop reading it since it's not a very useful viewpoint if you actually live in Europe.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by skrebbel on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:49AM (#33799929)
Any examples? I'm a European with a pretty chauvinistic pro-EU meh-USA attitude and I've never found the Economist's Europe section to be "bizarre" (been reading for about a year)
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by MrBuddyCasino on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:55AM (#33799994)
Interesting, on Twitter Noah Smith has become a laughing stock.

I will say that generally, non-print media like Substack, personal blogs and Twitter can be a much higher quality replacement. Requires a little digging though.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:00AM (#33800040)
I've found the opposite. Print media publications seem to be higher quality with better editorial review. There are of course exceptions and outstanding blogs out there.

I've seen some reporters go from working at a "big" publisher to Substack and I can tell the difference in their writing. Usually more extreme and alarmist. I chalk it up to less review.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by MrBuddyCasino on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:34AM (#33800458)
I agree the individual pieces are less polished and tend more towards alarmism or outrage. I still find it overall better, because logical inconsistencies and wrong facts will get called out viciously and without mercy. The result is a more correct worldview, but one needs to keep some distance, otherwise it can get unhealthy.

Its the difference between a university debate club and an MMA cage. The MMA filter is much stronger, but there tends to be a lot more blood.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:51AM (#33800721)
> logical inconsistencies and wrong facts will get called out viciously and without mercy

Even here, inaccuracies are promoted as fact regularly. I don't count on the social media herd as a compass.

Other than this site I avoid news that comes with a comment section because internet anons have their own biases and agendas and aren't representative.

You end up with nuance swept aside and extreme unflinching loudmouths getting the most visibility. A lot of this goes hand in hand with quitting social media.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by MrBuddyCasino on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:21AM (#33801924)
The print media is getting increasingly biased as well though! The NYT used to be the „paper of record“, not anymore.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by chrchang523 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:06AM (#33802718)
Just a personal opinion, but I'd characterize Noah Smith as "uneven", not "laughingstock". He hits enough high notes that I would be quite sad to see him go, even though I find him very unreliable.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by that_guy_iain on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:23AM (#33800312)
> First, I find they did not explain their model well. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

It's not an extraordinary claim tho. Literally, every year old people die because of cold weather and not being able to afford the proper heating. This is basically old news. The cost of living "crisis" means that the price of energy is not becoming a matter for the average working person. This isn't really extraorinary to claim since salaries aren't exactly high and many people struggle to pay their bills by default with the price of food, energy, etc all going up while their salaries aren't going up then it clearly means some people will struggle to pay for the heating.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jakozaur on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:11AM (#33800984)
I agree that more people will die, but the Economist claim is that 100k more will die: " Hence the energy crunch this year could cause over 100,000 extra deaths of elderly people across Europe. "

Article shows some modelling, but I was not convinced and can point some holes: https://www.economist.com/interactive/graphic-detail/2022/11...

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by _trackno5 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:09AM (#33801762)
> Literally, every year old people die because of cold weather and not being able to afford the proper heating.

Yes, but the problem is not explaining that people aren't dying because of the cold itself. The way you wrote this and the way the media portrays the problem makes it sound like people will die from freezing to death, which is just not true.

Pretty much all reporting forgets to add the nuance that deaths in colder months increase because:

1. If it is colder, people are more likely to stay indoors and that increases viral infections

2. Cold makes our immune systems not work as well, which increases the chances of serious complications from infections

3. Cold environments keep viruses around for longer.

4. Cold weather also causes blood to thicken, which can lead to an increased chance of things like strokes (which then lead to higher death rates).

This is the nuance that reporting feels to present.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by that_guy_iain on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:38AM (#33802189)
> The way you wrote this and the way the media portrays the problem makes it sound like people will die from freezing to death, which is just not true.

This is true. Old people freeze to death every year.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by JohnFen on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:48PM (#33810623)
> makes it sound like people will die from freezing to death, which is just not true.

It's 100% true in my part of the US.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rsynnott on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:09AM (#33800946)
> E.g. last issue EU is frozen and claim so many people will die in Europe due to high energy prices.

I haven't seen the article, but it's not a _completely_ outlandish idea; consumer energy prices are up a lot, and in countries where governments haven't taken step to subsidise and/or control energy costs, particularly for elderly people, you would expect deaths.

Now, in practice most countries _have_ taken such steps; if that was left out of the article that would certainly be a concern.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by NullInvictus on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:30AM (#33803145)
> EU is frozen and claim so many people will die in Europe due to high energy prices.

This complaint is one that (jokingly) makes me ask if you're new around here. the Economist is almost pathologically pessimist. I sometimes think they should call themselves _The Cassandra_, as they are constantly forecasting doom over every scenario.

I enjoy how they summarize background information and the candor of their analysis, but when it gets time to make long-term predictions I tune them out because they're about 0-50 on the number of times I should have been walking knee deep through rivers of bodies and economic collapse.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Emigre_ on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:20AM (#33799685)
I think Le Monde Diplomatique could be a good choice
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by sgu999 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:58AM (#33800017)
Not sure what it's worth in English but the French version is indeed very good. My only complain is that they are sometimes a bit too complacent with US rivals and competitors.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Lapalux on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:21AM (#33799700)
The FT is excellent, particularly online.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by fergie on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:22AM (#33799702)
Big fan of the Spectator and the Guardian Weekly: They the best exponents of right and left wing thinking from the UK respectively. For best results read both.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by mellosouls on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:35AM (#33799815)
I really like this mixed spectrum suggestion; it seems rare these days for people to do that, but perhaps I'm cynical and taking too much from online shouty types.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pron on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:25AM (#33799726)
Though American and generally US-focused, The Atlantic covers a lot of world affairs, although isn't as news-rich as The Economist.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by eatonphil on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:33AM (#33799785)
The Atlantic's front page is so often covered with outrage pieces I decided to stop looking at it. It felt like they were constantly spinning stories to be fearmongering or anger mongering.

There are undoubtedly good reasons out there to fear or be angry about but I just had to stop with The Atlantic.

They do still have some great posts. I just avoid reading their homepage and only go there if linked to a post by a trusted source.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by corbet on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:27AM (#33799743)
I bailed on the Economist a couple of years ago after at least a couple decades...thought I was the only one who felt it had declined. I haven't really found a good replacement still.

If nothing else, the pain they put me through to end the subscription was enough to prevent me from ever signing up again.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by abm53 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:35AM (#33799812)
Their “customer retention” process is extremely aggressive, even by most traditional print publications’ standards.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by bifftastic on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:46AM (#33799914)
I have recently bailed too - I was subjected to multiple exit interviews when cancelling my subscription (two online and one over the phone). This certainly put me right off resubscribing at any point in the future.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by tibbetts on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:55AM (#33799989)
I canceled recently and had to escalate to “I have told you to cancel three times and if you cannot cancel now I will have to dispute the charges with my credit card company.”
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by atmosx on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:08AM (#33800129)
Been there. It's not just the economist, most services that include the node "Send an email to unsubscribe" are a problem for me.

I'm paying everyone via paypal and just cancel the paypal subscription without ever bothering replying to any email. That works wonders :-)

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by mejutoco on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:24AM (#33800333)
You should see the unsubscribe process of FAZ and SZ in Germany. It is like signing up to a gym or a phone contract. FAZ does not even accept credit cards! they want your IBAN and approval for them to charge you every month (like an utility bill) for one year. Then if you forget to cancel x days in advance it restarts.

And wasn't there a law (in EU) that signing up should be as easy and cancelling, if anyone remembers. Most of them allow signup via website but ask you to call to cancel (even after cancelling online, SZ).

I say this as a previous subscriber to FAZ, SZ, and the Economist.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by youngtaff on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:12AM (#33800168)
If you’re in the UK, your local library may have access to the Economist as an online magazine

My county’s libraries use Libby, and I get to read The Economist and many other magazine ‘for free’ (reality is my council and other taxes pay for it but you get my drift)

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jhbadger on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:17AM (#33801865)
This is also true in the US, where Libby is common too. I read the Economist, the New Yorker, and the New York Review of Books for free that way -- the Washington DC public library system (which even people living in the DC suburbs can get a library card to) subscribes, for example.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by timeon on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:28AM (#33799746)
> Preferably something with a UK/Euro/Global focus, not just US.

Probably something that is not in English language, since those usually have huge US or UK focus. (Even news like politico.eu are mostly about UK).

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pbronez on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:29AM (#33799754)
It’s digital only, but https://www.slowernews.com/ is worth a look
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rich_sasha on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:30AM (#33799762)
I haven't seen it mentioned, but whenever I read articles from Foreign Affairs, I'm quite impressed. Though of course the focus is, as you may imagine, foreign affairs...

I share your sentiment re Economist.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by fallingupward on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:31AM (#33799769)
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jimbobthemighty on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:39AM (#33799835)
Have a look at: https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome Any page that needs to be bypassed is worthy of a glance; limiting yourself to just one source runs the risk of 'rose tinted glasses' syndrome.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Aromasin on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:58AM (#33800014)
Excellent, thanks for this. If I had the funds, I'd read everything from Adweek to Zeit Online, but paywalls mean I can only pick one or two.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by UncleSlacky on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:42AM (#33801367)
There's also https://12ft.io/ if that helps.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by specialist on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:39AM (#33799839)
I'm fine with The Economist's Classical Liberal (per Adam Smith et al) POV. I unsubscribed with their support for the Iraq War. (Which admittedly they regretted some years later.)

Fortunately, Western media (at least) is flush with Classical Liberal POV. So it's not like I suffered from the omission.

As for challenging and interesting and immediately relevant, I keep returning to David Roberts' Volts podcast. Explains where the rubber meets the road on the most important topic of the day, climate crisis. The explainers are just terrific. The episodes about the US's Inflation Reduction Act, the most important industrial policy legislation in a generation, have been illuminating. https://www.volts.wtf

As for a non-center-right take on economic issues, I'm enjoying Bethany McLean's work. Currently her podcast Capitalisn't. https://www.capitalisnt.com (Her cohost Luigi Zingales is mostly a dink, so I mostly speed thru his monologuing.)

I haven't really found a leftist economics narrative to consume. Two years ago, I binged on some MMT stuff. Alas, it still feels too fledgling, too exploratory. In short, I'm eager for narratives with some predictive power.

I'm almost certain u/dredmorbius can offer awesome recommendations. Their smart about about this kind of stuff.

Oh. The books Mine: The Hidden Rules of Ownership and Debt: The First 5000 Years were fun. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54226795-mine https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6617037-debt Sadly, I haven't gotten to Piketty's books yet.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by specialist on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:11AM (#33801787)
Oops.

*They're smart

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by agomez314 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:42AM (#33799874)
WSJ i read everyday and don't feel like i'm grating my brain against unlike other publications
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by donpott on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:43AM (#33799884)
Maybe Foreign Policy? Can't say I've read any issues in the past few years, but back when I last read it, it appeared to fit your requisites reasonably well (perhaps a bit too US-centric for your liking).

This chart shows FP as a more factual, slightly closer to the Center than The Economist (EDIT: Wrong)

https://www.datawrapper.de/_/rrzFK/

Source for the chart: https://www.thefactual.com/blog/is-foreign-policy-magazine-r...

EDIT: I misunderstood the chart. It shows FP as more factual and slightly more opinionated than The Economist, while labelling both as "Center" (without relative comparisons) ideologically.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by toyg on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:50AM (#33799933)
> slightly closer to the Center than The Economist.

The center of US political debate is significantly to the right of Europe on a large set of topics (from the role of the State in economic matters to global issues like Israel's behaviour).

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by james-bcn on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:44AM (#33799893)
I've just renewed my subscription. I haven't found anything better than The Economist. Their daily news summary is great.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by noduerme on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:46AM (#33799912)
I feel like I asked HN the same question about the Economist a couple years ago. I still really appreciate its broad approach to world news and its slanted-but-two-sided view of politics. Honestly the replacement you're looking for to understand international reality is probably some mix of very costly Stratfor briefings and France24 and DW. (Jacobin? seriously? is al Jazeera too well sourced for you?) Internal US politics aren't covered very well by the Economist so you won't be missing to much by switching to this blend, and most US politics can unfortunately be inferred six months in the future by watching other nascent authoritarian states anyway.

Wait for it... Dang is gonna ban me again. BUT I'M DRUNK! Damn it.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Aromasin on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:10AM (#33800144)
I put the Jacobin there to make it clear I'm open to good writing from anywhere on the political spectrum. I've read some good stuff from them, and drivel in equal measure, but I find the same with the Economist. I'm looking to try something new and I'm not against a socialist perspective.

I didn't put Al Jazeera because I would be against an Qatari monarchist perspective.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by noduerme on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:21AM (#33801104)
I know, but I drew the equivalence because both - like so many propaganda organs of the right, left, monarchists, CCP, putinists or any other set of dishonest shills posing as journalists - share in common the defining feature that nothing they say can be trusted to be objective reporting of fact. A perspective would imply an acknowledgement of an external reality, with objective facts, which might then be open to various arguable interpretations. That's not what's presented by either of those outlets; it is, however, what makes the Economist somewhat interesting.

Bending facts, rather than reporting them and then commenting on them, is not "perspective" except in the most recent and/or Orwellian sense of the word.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by bambataa on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:55AM (#33799992)
The Times Literay Supplement is high quality and always interesting. Everything is through the prism of book reviews so perhaps not as much current affairs as you’d like. But still worth looking at.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:56AM (#33799996)
> It doesn't align exactly with my political values

Which values? I find it to be very analytic and dry in a good way.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by bitlax on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:43AM (#33800578)
That's the writing style. The choice of topics, point of view, and conclusions drawn at The Economist all show political bias.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:56AM (#33800776)
Alright. What's the alternative? Read a multitude of even more biased single point of view blogs?
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by bitlax on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:34AM (#33802123)
Well that's your second bad idea. Keep brainstorming but honestly I'd prefer you kept reading The Economist!
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by nitin-pai on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:57AM (#33800007)
The alternative to The Economist is a well curated collection of RSS feeds. Identify a set of intelligent blogs/columnists who post regularly, put their feeds into an OPML file, and you have a great alternative.

Added bonus: you can have X and anti-X perspectives for most values of X.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by dhx on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:56AM (#33801572)
This is the best answer so far. I would add that a researcher/blogger/columnist well versed in the languages/industries/topics they write about, and fusing together and referencing data sources used to form their commentary/view is optimal.

For example, the recent Economist article "In Ukraine, living as normal is an act of defiance"[1] presents a view of everyday civilian life in Kyiv but offers no references or links to anything of substance.

This article would be much more useful and interesting if it provided references, data (as opposed to anecdotes from interviews of a few people) and visual information at both macro and micro levels. For example, the following types of information could be useful in answering the question of "what is life currently like in Kyiv?":

1. A picture showing the rate of growth of "Point of Unbreakability" sites across Ukraine[2] alongside links to videos of a few sites being toured (to show an example of what they typically look like).

2. A link to daily reports on the Ukraine energy grids[3] and a graphical map of changes in energy availability over time.

3. Recent walking tours of Ukrainian cities.

4. A link to retail pricing and availability of a generator or typical basket of groceries and a graph showing changes over time. Or a video tour of typical supermarkets or retail outlets showing the effect of the war on supply of goods[4][5].

Some journalists at media outlets do provide well researched articles from time to time filled with graphs, maps and tables of data[6] but they still generally don't add references and photos/videos. I find this is particularly true for articles that frustratingly claim "New research from the University of Something shows ..." yet there is no mention of the paper title or link to the article in an open journal. Or any reporting on legislation or legal matters--would it be so difficult to link to case information on a court system, link to a bill presented before parliament, etc?

[1] https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/11/23/in-ukraine-livin...

[2] https://nezlamnist-gov-ua.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_t...

[3] https://dixigroup.org/en/analytic/russian-war-against-ukrain...

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzO0ikUcL-c

[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzsEdRLML5E

[6] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-10-19/maplab... (example relating to how some media outlets have been using satellite imagery during the Ukraine war, also see 'Map Links' at the bottom for more examples)

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by brylie on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:58AM (#33800015)
What are your thoughts on the journalism in The Atlantic?

https://www.theatlantic.com/

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by null0ranje on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:19AM (#33800256)
I’ve let my subscription to the Atlantic lapse. The writing quality and topic selection are closer to a second-tier college newspaper than a serious journalistic publication.

Most of their talented contributors are mostly gone, and the current crop of “cool kid” writers seem to just regurgitate what they are following on Twitter.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pessimizer on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:45AM (#33800622)
It's yet another news outlet purchased by a tech billionaire. Happened in 2017: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurene_Powell_Jobs

She's also been friends and sometimes business partners for decades with Carlos Watson, the guy who perpetrated the OZY fraud. That may help if you want an idea of her taste in, and ability to evaluate the quality of, journalism.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by kritiko on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:25AM (#33801153)
What are your options to make yourself a going concern as a media company in 2022?

Become a tech company, like the NY Times (separate subscriptions for cooking & games, affiliate via Wirecutter, get into podcasts, newsletters, etc.) - they've kind of Buzzfeed-ified themselves.

Or get a rich patron. The latter has worked for decades for money-losing conservative journals. (For interesting anecdata about one of them, check out this analysis of Commentary: https://danielstone.substack.com/p/commentary-finances-john-...)

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Aromasin on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:13AM (#33800192)
I've found it to be pretty on par with the Economist, but more US focused with a bit more clickbait. I've read some great articles on there, but wouldn't be in any rush to subscribe.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rvz on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:46AM (#33800645)
The journalism in The Atlantic is quite frankly garbage and they are essentially importing outrage directly from Twitter to riddle their articles with ads so they can continue to grift their subscription plan.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by brylie on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:58AM (#33800024)
Perhaps Mother Jones would be an interesting alternative?

https://www.motherjones.com/

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by moolcool on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:07AM (#33800119)
No disrespect to Mother Jones (since they do pretty good reporting), but their editorial voice is pretty far to the left of anything The Economist ever was IMO.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by itsoktocry on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:11AM (#33800155)
Have you ever read the economist? The content isn't remotely alike (and I'm not even talking about right/left spectrum).
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by StevePerkins on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:59AM (#33800026)
What a timely post. My subscription to "The Atlantic" is coming up for renewal in a few months, and I plan to simply let it lapse. That was my last magazine subscription left standing, and 2023 will be the first time in roughly 40 years that I won't be subscripting to any magazines.

The writing has always been center-left, but with introspective tendencies. Articles would generally critique conservative political positions, but thoughtfully in a well-reasoned manner. And they would be just as likely to examine excesses from the cultural left also.

After Trump entered office, the magazine began a rapid descent. Today you find as much "clickbait" in the printed magazine as you do on the web property (they were previously quite distinct). Articles are frequently hyperbolic, and read like Reddit comments on /r/LateStageCapitalism. But most damningly, the REASONING seems to be gone now. It feels like reading a propaganda outlet.

Maybe this is an artifact of emerging authors coming of age during the social media era? Maybe it's a byproduct of print media's financial decline, and pressure to compete with online entertainment? Whatever the case may be, everything feels like a lazy echo chamber now. I dearly miss writing that makes me think.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by atonse on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:34AM (#33800455)
Are you me? Am I you? Couldn’t have said it better myself.

I tend to read authors instead of publications now.

Like just about anything by Ed Yong (science), Zeynep Tufekci, Katelyn Jetelina when looking at pandemic related topics. They are objective, thoughtful, compassionate, and well researched.

But slowly finding writers like that for other topics. Open to suggestions!

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by bifftastic on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:01AM (#33800045)
You could look at the LRB (London Review of Books). While obviously it is mostly book reviews there are other essays in there too. The writing is rather literary, which may or may not be a positive, but it is entirely free of clickbait. It's probably the nearest thing to a left-wing equivalent of The Economist.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by cies on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:01AM (#33800051)
zerohedge.com? /s

It'd probably be FT for me, they follow a "just the facts" approach mostly.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:02AM (#33800060)
Could you give examples of how quality has declined? I'm scared if a rag like Jacobin is in the running.

When people say that the quality of a publication has declined they often mean they disagree with things that are published. Many also say that they seek out blogs and other sources that I assume they agree with.

I read these publications because I often disagree with their opinion pieces. It's a value add. Why would I pay to read my own views regurgitated? It's a danger inherent in trying to micromanage and curate a very narrow source of information. You end up only ingesting things that you agree with.

My 2 cents. Sorry for the big edit

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Aromasin on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:23AM (#33800304)
I've discussed how I think the quality has decline elsewhere in the thread, but in short, they flip-flop so as to be on the "correct" side of the conversation too often instead of admitting fault, their UK/EU commentary has been of such a low quality I could find it in a tabloid newspaper if I wanted, and their general Anglo-centric view of the world is not valuable to me explicitly for the reason you describe; I'm British, I don't need more of a pro-UK narrative.

I put the Jacobin explicitly because I wanted to make it explicitly clear that I'm open to the whole political spectrum. I've read some good articles on there, as well as bad. I'm happy to be convinced out of subscribing to it. I've had a lot of people say it's a rag, but not explain how. Is it because it's poor journalism, or is it because it's socialist?

And no, it's not that I'm looking for validation of my own opinions. That's why I've put it out to a forum and not just picked the one most appealing to me.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by chipotle_coyote on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:44AM (#33801391)
> I've had a lot of people say [Jacobin is] a rag, but not explain how. Is it because it's poor journalism, or is it because it's socialist?

Anecdotally, I'm in sympathy with a lot of Jacobin's political viewpoints (even though I'm not as anti-capitalist, or at least anti-market, as they seem to be), but I have a lot of trouble really clicking with their style. They're far more opinion-driven than The Economist or even The Atlantic, and there's what I can only describe as a sneering subtext to much of the work by them I've been pointed to, e.g., "this premise is plainly true to anyone who isn't stupid and/or evil", when I'm sort of mentally raising my hand and going "wait, you are skipping work you really need to dedicate at least a few paragraphs to." It's the leftist version of the feeling I got reading C.S. Lewis decades ago.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:47AM (#33801438)
> "this premise is plainly true to anyone who isn't stupid and/or evil"

You are dead on. I often sympathize and appreciate the core of their message but the presentation is off putting, to me anyway.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rainingmonkey on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:29AM (#33803131)
I've found Tribune Magazine (https://tribunemag.co.uk/) a good source of well-written leftist opinions without the tone and US focus of Jacobin.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jdgoesmarching on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @04:59PM (#33808430)
Jacobin’s editorial philosophy focuses on conversational writing to make the articles more accessible. This is intentionally different from the didactic style of The Economist or what I’d call the philosophical ramblings of the NYT or Atlantic.

It isn’t trying to be a publication that sounds smart or pretends to be unbiased, but that is the expectation most people have from economic and political writing. That plus the obvious political position makes it unpopular, but I’d argue the quality is just as good as any other major publication.

I’d say it’s important to keep it in your mix because you’re just not going to find views or analysis from that perspective otherwise.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pydry on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:37AM (#33800487)
Reading the piece on how github copilot will automate developers out of a job made me chuckle. The reporter knew fuck all about copilot or AI and was essentially reciting an investor pitch.

This is pretty standard. If I wanna know what investors or beltway insiders are excited or afraid about I read the Economist. If I want to learn about real things in the real world I read something else.

Jacobin has the kind of rep (or worse) that the Economist should have, but elites and investors have better PR than trade unionists and anti Iraq war protestors.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by maybelsyrup on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:23AM (#33801128)
> When people say that the quality of a publication has declined they often mean they disagree with things that are published.

> a rag like Jacobin

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:41AM (#33801355)
Jacobin often uses flame bait writing style which I don't like even if it's something that I agree with. It's insulting to the reader.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by tootie on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:30PM (#33805286)
Jacobin isn't just biased, it's agenda-driven. They're cheering specific outcomes and jeering others. To the parent comments' point, Jacobin is just an echo chamber for Socialists who want to hear Socialist opinions from other Socialists. That's different from wanting to read factual news and rational analysis from sources who believe climate change is real.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jdgoesmarching on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @05:03PM (#33808475)
Every publication is agenda-driven, and nothing is more echo chambery than believing only your favorites are presenting “factual news and rational analysis.”
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by tootie on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @05:15PM (#33808639)
No they aren't. That's cynical. Jacobin puts it right on their About Us page that they're Socialist news. I've been around a few newsrooms and most of them would riot if they were ever directed to represent an agenda. Even when there was a predominant political leaning.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jdgoesmarching on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:20PM (#33812289)
How many of those newsrooms rioted during the decision to invade Iraq? One doesn’t need to be “directed to represent an agenda” in a competitive news environment, you don’t make it through the door without being a certain type of journalist to begin with.

One of the most frustrating obstacles in this conversation is people believing that being in the middle of the Overton Window makes you non-ideological. The idea of being ideological is offensive to people who believe that their view isn’t, which ironically is the hallmark of successful ideology. I’d point to Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher for further elaboration.

This reminds me of the David Foster Wallace joke of the fish who reply to “How’s the water?” with “What the hell is water?”

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by tootie on Thursday December 01, 2022 @09:31AM (#33816680)
Rioting would be agenda. Actively reporting the facts when they directly contradict the political mainstream is good journalism. That mostly happened in the high brow press with a few notable exceptions. As someone who primarily read the NY Times in the early 2000s I was pretty well convinced the cassus belli in Iraq was spurious. Judith Miller notwithstanding. They also published the infamous Yellow cake op ed.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by JohnFen on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:55PM (#33810687)
Having a bias (inevitable for humans) and having an agenda are two entirely different things.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by bretpiatt on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:02AM (#33800062)
I find Quilette - https://quillette.com/ very solid, all clear bylines so you can understand the background and perspective of the author.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by IfOnlyYouKnew on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:04AM (#33800080)
Yes, it’s important to know if they are merely racists or also crypto-grifters.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by bretpiatt on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:59AM (#33800827)
Here's the byline for author from top post on the front page, unclear to me how either of your accusations accurately represents him.

https://quillette.com/author/niranjan/

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by kasperset on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:05AM (#33800101)
Another vote for FT (Financial Times). It has good insights not just on economics and politics but also has decent coverage of topics on AI, Travel, and Science.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by FiberBundle on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:06AM (#33800113)
The Financial Times is simply excellent. In my opinion it's substantially better than what even The Economist used to be like ~10 years ago. Almost every article has high quality, there's no clickbait content and the coverage of topics is very appropriate for someone who wants to keep informed on geopolitics and international finance. Though it's not as broad as what The Economist covers, you won't find as much coverage of developing nations.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by menshiki on Thursday December 01, 2022 @09:27AM (#33816630)
I fully agree. Their China and EU coverage is exceptional. I read FT every single day.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by bitlax on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:10AM (#33800143)
In the last few years I've moved away from following large publications and toward following individuals. This keeps the average quality of the content very high and allows me view information that --while accurate-- might not make it past an editorial board.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by gadders on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:10AM (#33800149)
Try the Spectator: https://www.spectator.co.uk/
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by youngtaff on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:12AM (#33800177)
It’s as right wing as they come full of writers who somehow feel Brexit was a good idea!
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by gadders on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:10AM (#33814024)
You say that like it's a bad thing.

But I would point you to the fact that they have Rod Liddle (lefty/Social Democrat) and Matthew Parris (Tory who hates Brexit) as regular columnists.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by opjjf on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:11AM (#33800156)
I think the only real alternative is the FT. Yes, it's not a weekly but they have lots of in-depth reporting (and the Economist refers to itself as a newspaper anyway).
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by FabHK on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:47AM (#33800660)
If only there were a weekly version of the FT...
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by gibsonf1 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:14AM (#33800195)
I've become a very big fan of the Epoch times for their objective and thorough reporting, they also mail a weekly paper if you order it. Their business section is quite good: https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-markets
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by erikpl on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:27AM (#33800374)
Media Bias Fact Check describes it as a very right-biased outlet with questionable factuality. They are also categorized as "right-biased" by Ground News, "right-leaning" by AllSides and "far-right" by Wikipedia. Maybe not the best source for neutral and factual news coverage?
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by macintux on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:44AM (#33800601)
The YouTube ads they used to run (maybe still do, I’ve started paying to avoid ads) were painfully partisan.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pydry on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:06AM (#33800915)
It's a Falun Gong outlet. Its views are their views.

IMHO it never makes sense to measure media's bias from right to left but it makes even less sense when the power center they represent is so obvious.

It's like arguing whether RT is conservative because they like Trump or liberal because they are skeptical of Israel. RT is simply pro Russia above all and will turn on a dime on any issue if it serves their core master.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by gibsonf1 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @04:56PM (#33808396)
Any hard evidence for the claim that Epoch is a Falun Gong outlet vs. the actual case that its one of the best objective news reporting currently available? For the latter claim, read the stories and compare to the "truth" that eventually comes out on things. They are always reporting factually as it happens, whether they like what happens or not.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by gibsonf1 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:31AM (#33801223)
Curious about the leanings of the Media Bias Fact Check?

Epoch Times is the most objective news outlet I've been able to find - actually reporting the news for what it is. Not censoring out stories it doesn't like, etc. If anyone knows of a more objective outlet, please let me know.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by moolcool on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:37AM (#33802170)
That newspaper is printed by a literal cult.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by gibsonf1 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @04:54PM (#33808362)
Any hard evidence for such an outlandish claim?
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by moolcool on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:24PM (#33810317)
This is a pretty good video about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JaPzJKycxc
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by itsoktocry on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:15AM (#33800208)
>It doesn't align exactly with my political values but I've always found the writing to be of high quality

I'm just going to throw it out there that maybe your political values are beginning to overwhelm your other opinions?

The Economist's content is unique outside of, maybe, the Financial Times in your list. You're certainly not going to find much similarity with The Jacobin, they're polar opposites politically.

The best replacement for The Economist is probably a major newspaper.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by harvey9 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:22AM (#33800297)
They did indicate that quality of writing is more important than agreeable opinions.

I take the same view in subscribing to Private Eye.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by nobita on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:24AM (#33800319)
Curious, have you tried to see where the authors of the articles you like before went?

You can always follow them instead of following the publication.

If they're still there, then perhaps it's a sign that it's management

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by leoedin on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:59AM (#33800835)
The Economist rarely puts names to articles. They're all written from the same "economist" point of view.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by bitlax on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:37AM (#33800492)
Unless things have changed in the last few years, I'm a bit skeptical of your claim of avid readership if you're referring to The Economist as a magazine and not a newspaper.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jmyeet on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:37AM (#33800496)
Years ago before electronic devices, The Economist was my "flight fodder" in that I only really bought a copy when I had a long flight and it was long and dense enough that I'd never get through it all. I haven't read it in awhile. It's disappointing to hear the quality has gone down (if true).

You're not suggesting otherwise but I feel compelled to mention it anyway for completeness: every publication has a political bent. It's not just the editorials or even the reporting itself but also the choice on what to publish. That's not neccessarily a bad thing unless that political bent means the publication has a tenuous relationship with the truth.

I'm curious what political stance you have an issue with, as in are you more left-leaning or right-leaning.

The Economist falls into the same bucket I'd put some other long-form print media in like the Atlantic and the New Yorker: it's center-right, specifically neoliberal. That's not necessarily bad. In fact I'd read good content in all 3 of these. You just need to be aware of the lens through which they see the world. The Economist I always found to be pro-Europe (pro-EU and pro-NATO) as one example.

Some might object to the "center-right" label here. To me, that's just evidence of how far the pendulum has swung with the Overton Window in how far right-wing politics currently skews, not just in the US. CNN is a center-right media outlet, for example. Coverage of Israel-Palestine is a prime example of just how one-sided this is.

More progressive media outlets are slim pickings honestly. For general news coverage, within limits surprisingly al-Jazeera ranks pretty highly. I say "within limits" because it has the same blind spot all state media does: the state it represents. The BBC is another prime example of this.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by FabHK on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:37AM (#33801312)
It's a bit more nuanced than "neoliberal, centre-right", though.

The Economist is aware of the failures of markets, in favour of drug legalisation, gay marriage, gun control, measures to curb climate change (they've called for a carbon tax from 1987 onwards), and has endorsed the Democrat rather than Republican candidate in 6 of the last 8 US presidential elections.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jmyeet on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:56AM (#33802541)
I don’t disagree with you but consider one of your examples: the carbon tax.

This attempts to use capitalism to solve a global problem. That’s the hallmark of neoliberalism: the undying faith in capitalism or simply taking it as axiomatic.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by throwaway2037 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:39AM (#33800521)
You might add https://www.spiegel.de/international/ to your list. It is free and well written.

The good thing about Financial Times: It is a UK publisher, not US-based, so the reporting on the US is more skeptical and nuanced. Less screechy. To be fair, I avoid almost all of the opinion pieces except for Martin Wolf, because he is basically writing an economics column. The rest is rather inflammatory (much lower editorial standards!) and can can readily be skipped.

Also consider the free FT AlphaVille which is a blog attached to FT. Much more casual reporting style, but they have cracked some big cases, including Dan Mccrum's year-long (later explosive) investigation into Wirecard.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by msackmann on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:57AM (#33800792)
Wow, thanks for pointing out the international Spiegel. It seems much more substantial than the free German counterpart, at least in my first impression.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by peteey on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:09AM (#33800944)
>more skeptical and nuanced

Than what? The Economist is UK based too.

The Economist tends to favor the US because the Economist supports liberal democracy and free trade worldwide. The Unites States is the only country who can and does defend those values. Europe cannot arm Ukraine against Putin. Japan cannot dispute China's claims rights to Taiwan or the ocean.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by otikik on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:49PM (#33804539)
I don’t need to read the Economist any more because everything I needed to know was on this comment.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rjzzleep on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:16AM (#33801041)
I'd stay far away from the Spiegel. While it has the reputation of a liberal magazine it actually started off as the mouthpiece of the BND. For some weird reason it got that reputation when it attacked Adenauer's policies when he and de Gaulle were working on bringing Germany and France closer together. While it somehow has retained this intellectual status to a lot of people it is an outrageous publication, with much better marketing than it has content. It has also hired more and more leadership from tabloids.

I'd look into Swiss or French publications. Although most of the French media has also unfortunately been pretty streamlined.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by tucosan on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @06:48PM (#33809803)
I second this. It’s mind boggling how bad DER SPEGEL does basic research. I did not find it surprising at all, that the Relotius-scandal^1 happened at DER SPIEGEL.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claas_Relotius#Fabrication_of_...

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by spongebobism on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:15PM (#33810192)
... and was caught by Der Spiegel! From Wikipedia: "On 19 December 2018, Der Spiegel made public that Relotius had admitted that he had "falsified his articles on a grand scale", inventing facts, persons and quotations in at least 14 of his stories in Der Spiegel, an event now being referred to as Spiegelgate. The magazine uncovered the fraud after a co-author of one of Relotius's articles about a pro-Trump vigilante group in Arizona conducting patrols along the Mexico–United States border, the Spanish-born Spiegel journalist Juan Moreno, became suspicious of the veracity of Relotius's contributions and gathered evidence against him."
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by throwaway2037 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @04:06AM (#33813999)
I thought of one more: How about The New Yorker? Yes, about 25-50% is dedicated to NYC, but the rest is incredibly varied and insanely well fact-checked. You won't find as much economic news, but you will find more science, arts, and long form profiles.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by cybrexalpha on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:48AM (#33800678)
I took out an Economist subscription for the first time this year, and I've found it really mixed. Lots of interesting articles, but I'll agree the analysis isn't as good as many other sources I've seen (in my view).

What's the bigger blocker for me is the anti-LGBT+ lean. For example the most recent article on trans rights: November 19th - 25th 2022 issue, "Transgressions", page 29 in print. It's not even the insidious "see both sides" argument you see often, but just unbalanced rehash of old claims with no analysis, research, or further thought. In the same issue, The Economist jumped to the defence of Qatar (“In defence of Qtar”, page 18 in print) with the argument that while Qutar was terrible for LGBT+ rights, so have been pervious world cup holders. To me that’s not even an argument, that’s just a defeatist “oh well it was bad before so why bother complaining”.

I’m all for accepting viewpoints that are different from my own, but when it comes to “should LGBT+ people have rights” that’s not up for debate.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by LocutusOfBorges on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:28AM (#33801180)
Seconding this.

I cancelled my subscription quite a few years ago in light of the low quality of analysis in the UK section of the paper - it felt like tabloid journalism aimed at people who thought too highly of their class status and level of education to deign to read a real tabloid, yet essentially at the same level of insight, peppered with a few affected rhetorical flourishes conveying an aesthetic of educated sophistication.

It’s very much a newspaper designed to give people without the time or inclination to develop a substantial understanding of an issue a quite superficial overview, packaged alongside an opinion that can be regurgitated as required to give the impression that one has a respectable understanding of the matter in question (at the very least, outside some of its more detailed feature articles).

…Even in light of that, the rapidity of the decline in its coverage of LGBT+ human rights has been extraordinary, even by UK standards. The fact that prominent editorial staff at the newspaper (Helen Joyce, for one) are extremely prominent anti-transgender activists probably has something to do with it - but the sheer venom of its coverage really took me aback when I started following its current turn. The issue certainly isn’t specific to it, given the broader anti-trans/LGBT+ turn in the UK press as a whole, but the Economist stands out as one of the worst for it.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Aromasin on Thursday December 01, 2022 @05:17AM (#33814451)
Just looked her up briefly. The pieces seem to fall in place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Joyce
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rsynnott on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:14AM (#33801010)
Oh, yeah, for about two months any time I opened Facebook (in fairness, once a week) it was pushing that article at me. Really lowered my opinion of the Economist; a very low quality article more befitting of something like the Telegraph.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by zoenolan on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @04:03PM (#33807646)
Same here. They published some bad article on trans rights, a few weeks before my subscription was up for renewal. It wasn't really something I could support. Cancelled after 15 years or so
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by xorcist on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:55AM (#33800761)
While I too enjoy Der Spiegel, the Economist is fairly unique in that it has a classical liberal and globalist slant. There's much less nationalistic perspective in their reporting which can be a breath of fresh air.

Lately I've enjoyed Politico for at least sometimes sharing this ambition. It's very US-centric, even in the Politico EU variant, but there's far less national exceptionalism than its peers in my opinion.

I completely agree that the Economist has been slowly declining in quality over the last decade, which saddens me. Clickbaiting is a universal problem now, and I don't think there's any direct competitor that's better. I've come to terms with diversifying my reading list and reading much less of each instead.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Alexfromthehood on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:57AM (#33800789)
In my experience, Le Monde Diplomatique is a very good newspaper. Because they don't make money from advertising but from subscriptions. But their bias is a bit too left-wing, and not nuanced enough.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Alexfromthehood on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:58AM (#33800800)
In my experience, Le monde diplomatic is a very good newspaper. Because they don't make money from advertising but from subscriptions. But their bias is a bit too left-wing, and not nuanced enough.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by tingle on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @08:59AM (#33800818)
Non-western publications of possible interest:

https://asiatimes.com/ in english, mostly free

https://www.jeuneafrique.com/ in french, subscription

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by robtherobber on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:01AM (#33800853)
This older comment I made a while ago might come in handy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28911253

E: It is basically a somewhat long list of newspapers and periodicals from across the world.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by ZeroGravitas on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:06AM (#33800913)
It's not really the same thing as the Economist in terms of news coverage, but:

https://evonomics.com/

Bills itself as the next evolution of Economics and "Changes in economic thinking can change the world, for the better. That’s the core belief that inspires Evonomics"

Here's a story by Tim O'Reilly about Elon Musk:

Why Elon Musk Isn’t Superman : The Betting Economy vs. The Operating Economy

https://evonomics.com/why-elon-musk-isnt-superman/

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by ksec on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:08AM (#33800933)
Best to keep both FT and Economist.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by dotancohen on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:11AM (#33800976)
Some people do read Playboy for the articles. In fact, I did read a Lee Iaccoca interview in Playboy once, it was excellent from what I remember. OP might want to seriously consider looking into that often-pigeonholed publication.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by mc32 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:12AM (#33800994)
For me the main problem with most of these publications is that although oftentimes they couch things in data and science they are mostly opinion-based so their prognostications are quite fallible. They remind me of the "The Standard" and "Business 2.0" etc., of the aughts. While things were going up, they seemed to catch the wave and ride it, but as the bubble burst their faults due to lack of any underlying structure or rigor became evident.

So too with The Economist, not to speak of things like The Atlantic etc., who rely mostly on opinion or tenuous data.

Now, often The Economist tries to rely on some science/data but they have their own ideology and that leads to them making mistakes as well. I wish they relied more on science and data over ideology (such as free markets or globalization, etc., not to say those are bad, but just have some skepticism and criticism. They often took globalization to be an unqualified good)

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jimmytidey on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:15AM (#33801021)
One effect you might be experiencing is over-familiarity. I find magazines fascinating for a while, then you understand their house style, the quirks of the recurrent columns, their political stance, and you know what they are going to say even before you read. Even when they say the opposite of what you were expecting the reach their conclusion by travelling through territory you've been through many times before.

Weirdly, I've recently been experiencing this with Twitter. Every opinion unfolds mechanically. Even the curve balls are predictable at a statistical level.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rchaud on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:14AM (#33802863)
Interesting point, I have definitely felt that with the New York Times, especially in terms of how it covers international stories. You can see the angle a mile away. The Economist is even more guilty of this because their editorial style is pretty upfront about their ideology. Every story can be summarized as "more free trade/less regulation would have prevented $currentDisaster"
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by heywherelogingo on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:16AM (#33801040)
Covid demonstrated that all mainstream media in the UK are controlled by the government. I ditched both my Economist and FT subscriptions in favour of independent journalists. I would have ditched the Economist anyway, it's become demented. I've been glancing at Foreign Affairs, but not sufficiently yet to decide on subscribing.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by wahnfrieden on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:17AM (#33801045)
Jacobin is directionally correct but I'd love to hear of any better/less problematic publications
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by tclancy on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:43AM (#33801386)
My only problem with Jacobin so far (I too, like the OP, quit The Economist after a decade or so of reading, mainly because my politics had drifted even further left) is the redesign has made it feel like someone printed out a Tumblr from the 2000s. Finding an article and being able to focus on it is near impossible.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by diimdeep on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:18AM (#33801063)
I know some will call me biased, or worse. But I think that rt.com is doing an honest journalistic job covering politics related to Russia, it is definitely different perspective compared to western news. One thing I tweaked is to add background CSS color to <em> element with Stylus extension as they use it for extensive quotation in articles, much more visible when it is editorial and when it is quotes.

``` em { background: #ccd } ```

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by crazygringo on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:21AM (#33801096)
I see this claim in nearly every HN thread about the Economist -- that it's declined in quality.

And it baffles me because, having read it for 20+ years and gone back for research to read plenty of articles from further back... I just don't see it at all.

It's the same market-based, socially progressive, pragmatic international strongly opinionated journalism it's always been. Sometimes I think the way it characterizes something is missing part of the full picture, but it's always been that way. Journalists are fallible humans, they aren't gods, and it's not like there was some mythical past where they always got things right.

I can totally understand people not enjoying it as much as they grow older, simply because you come to mistrust journalism more in general, or shift in your ideological viewpoint so it becomes less agreeable. Readers change.

But I'm getting tired of this trope that it's the Economist that's been changing, that's been getting worse. It just doesn't make any sense. It's the same journalism it's always been. For every article you take issue with, I'm sure you'd find just as many from 20 or 30 years ago.

I suppose it's just part of a general narrative of declinism, how everything used to be so much better and the world is crumbling. But in this case, I just don't see it. You might not like the magazine anymore and that's fine, but I think there's a good chance it's you who has changed, not the magazine.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by mariodiana on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:41AM (#33801350)
I used to read it years ago when it was run by the editor who promoted ending every article with a witticism. I missed that when they killed it off and stopped reading it around that time. Did they ever bring it back?
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by underbrush on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:40AM (#33801344)
From what I have seen it hasn't been getting much worse. Other than just bounce rate I think far more people are becoming aware that reality is different from The Economist "a thousand words by Friday" writing. Hong Kong being one example.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jwr on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:37AM (#33801309)
Same here — I don't see a decline in quality of the articles. I am annoyed (and refuse to use) their new phone app, which runs animated ads in articles, so that part is going downhill like everything else in the ad world. But the journalism seems to be good.

I carefully read articles about my country to check for inaccuracies, and sometimes ask people from other countries about other articles. The result of these checks is always the same: the journalism is solid, facts are presented well, the articles are always slightly condescending and overuse the word "should". If the "shouldism" annoys you, you can always easily skip these parts.

I continue to subscribe, because it's pretty much the only thing out there.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by heywherelogingo on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:34AM (#33801264)
It's not you, it's everyone else?
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by senko on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:43AM (#33801382)
FWIW, I agree with parent.

In areas where I have some knowledge (tech), I find The Economist has reasonably accurate (if perhaps simplified, for the wider audience) grasp of things. I trust that the same holds for the other areas.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by mannykannot on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:27AM (#33801171)
I think you have a point... and, furthermore, declinism today is just about the same as it always has been.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by omarhaneef on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:29AM (#33801199)
I have to disagree.

The quality of decline has really gone downhill in the last few years. Used to be that when things fell apart, they really fell apart (think revolution, collapse) but now they just peter out.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by justinpowers on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:55PM (#33805730)
I agree. But I optimistically believe that decline will soon experience a renaissance.

We’re gonna start declining again. We’re gonna decline so much. We’re gonna decline at every level. We’re gonna decline economically. We’re gonna decline with the economy. We’re gonna decline with military. We’re gonna decline with healthcare and for our veterans. We’re gonna decline with every single facet.

We’re gonna decline so much you may even get tired of declining. And you’ll say “Please! Please! It’s too much declining! We can’t take it anymore. Mr President, it’s too much!”

And he’ll say “No it isn’t. We have to keep declining. We have to decline MORE! We’re gonna decline MORE! We’re gonna decline so much! I love you America. You’re gonna be so happy!”

Ahh yes. Soon. Soon.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by scythe on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:38AM (#33801321)
One thing I noticed about The Economist is that every so often they'll bring up some interesting criticism of a widely held view. Then a few days later they'll publish an article vigorously supporting the Current Thing. A particularly obvious example was when they had a column about Ukraine from John Mearshimer, and the various follow-ups. They also ran that takedown of Mohammed bin Salman but periodically tout the upsides of Saudi Arabia.

I don't hold it against them, really; it's a business, and modern journalism relies on maintaining relationships with sources, who are often government officials and agencies. It's not too hard to recognize the stuff that gets published "defensively" once you're used to that.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by nullspace on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:55AM (#33801566)
I’ve noticed this but I don’t look at it as maintaining relationships.

If you are going to cover a topic deeply better cover all sides of it rather than just a criticism piece or a puff piece. This is what Keeps me coming back to economist.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by biophysboy on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:10AM (#33801765)
This is an interesting perspective. Is it harder to maintain these relationships now than before? If so, why?
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by scythe on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:17PM (#33803931)
I'm no expert on the topic, but anyone in a position of influence has a lot more options for communicating with the public than they did a few decades ago. Leaks from SCOTUS were unimaginable in the 20th century, for example. Under the usual supply-demand assumptions, that means that any particular journalist has a lot less power in the relationship.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by otikik on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:47PM (#33804493)
Concentration of wealth could be one reason. Getting one petrol mogul angry in the 80s was no biggie, today’s billionaires will literally buy your whole newspaper out.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by HDThoreaun on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:18AM (#33801894)
Publishing opposing viewpoints is incredibly common. Getting opinions that go against the editors is the whole point of op-eds
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by ROTMetro on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:59AM (#33803589)
They gave a platform to Mearshimer and his 'my entire argument is built on the thesis that Putin has never lied (even though he has lied)'? Glad I've skipped reading it the last year.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by tootie on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:29AM (#33801198)
Agree 100%. Sensibilities have changed and I fear it's due to a load of social media propaganda. People have been overly conditioned to look for conspiracies everywhere. Even if you have resisted the onslaught of criticism of "liberal media" it can wear you down in subtle ways. I don't see any substantial drop in quality for the traditional standard bearers like The Economist or the New York Times. They're not perfect because they are run by a collection of human beings but they still do a better job than anyone else.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by slowhand09 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:48AM (#33801460)
I think its perspective. Drawing a parallel to Elon Musk. He says his political leanings haven't changed. Draw a line marked Far Left, Left, Sort of Left, Middle, Sort of Right, Right, Far Right. He says he was Left or Sort of Left, but somebody dragged the line way to the left. He is where he always was, but the line has moved.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by wpietri on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:33AM (#33802104)
Nah. We live in an age of asymmetric polarization. XKCD has a good rendering of the DW-NOMINATE data. Look especially at the US House since Reagan: https://xkcd.com/1127/

The right has moved far more than the left. Just looking at today's news, we find a prominent right-wing activist was convicted of plotting to overthrow the government: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63802649

The only area I think you could unequivocally say the US left has progressed on is civil rights for LGBT+ people. But in terms of things like labor rights, a social safety net, environmental conservation, gun control, election integrity, and business regulation, I'd say the center of the US left hasn't moved much in decades, much to the frustration of the more activist portion of the left. Note that people from other countries often see the Democratic Party as a center-right party.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Manuel_D on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:17AM (#33802928)
More reputable sources find that polarization is largely symmetrical: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2014/06/12/section-1-gr...
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by wpietri on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:03PM (#33803665)
That is not a more reputable source. The XKCD thing is a graph of highly regarded and more rigorous social science work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOMINATE_(scaling_method)

Further, I think the Pew stuff is flawed in a number of ways. One, it comes after the Reagan era, missing a time DW-NOMINATE shows as important to right-wing polarization. Two, it doesn't include the Trump era, when polarization hugely spiked. Third, and most important, 9 out of the 10 questions are not suited for directly measuring ideology. The one I think is actually a decent measure of ideology is "Homosexuality should be discouraged by society" vs "Homosexuality should be accepted by society". The rest of them are practical questions relative to the circumstances of the day. E.g., "The government today can't afford to do much more to help the needy" is a question that's explicitly about the current state of the budget. If the budget improves, then more people should answer that as yes regardless of ideology.

The measure I'd rather see is the extent of ideological litmus tests for access to power. E.g., look at the way the right's orthodoxy on abortion has hardened over the years. In the 1970s it was possible to be a pro-choice Republican and a pro-choice evangelical Christian. Now neither is acceptable, so much so that the most prominent Republican pro-choice group just gave up a few years back: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/24/opinion/abortion-rights-r...

Or you could look at the way large portions of the Republican party have polarized around things that are provably false, like that Trump won the 2020 election, that January 6th was a left-wing false flag, or that ivermetcin is a good way to treat covid. That is wildly asymmetrical polarization, and it drove litmus tests for Republican candidates across the country. Nothing similar exists on the left.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Manuel_D on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:40PM (#33804374)
The graph is just based on politicians' voting behavior. I don't doubt the numerical accuracy of this data visualization, but I do doubt how effective one can translate votes into buckets of "far-left", "left", "center-left", etc. DW-NOMINATE creates plots on a graph [1]. The categories of far-left, left, etc. come from drawing boundaries on that graph. Where to draw these boundaries hugely influences the results. Give someone else task of defining the boundaries and you can easily achieve the completely opposite result.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOMINATE_(scaling_method)#/med...

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by wpietri on Friday December 02, 2022 @06:32PM (#33838421)
I think it's pretty funny you're acting like looking at the unrandom sample of elected officials is worse than grabbing assorted randos when trying to study politics. It's even funnier that you're taking people's off-the-cuff opinions given to a stranger stranger more seriously than you're taking the actual political behavior of passing laws. Believe what you like, I suppose, but I have a hard time taking you seriously here.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Manuel_D on Saturday December 03, 2022 @12:28AM (#33840919)
Pew is one of, if not the most respected polling organization in the US. By comparison, that XKCD chart is all just someone drawing boundaries on a chart. Just make the far left zone larger and shrink the far-right zone and voila you have the opposite result.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by nescioquid on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:35AM (#33803234)
The Democratic party deliberately moved right under Clinton. What was at the time called "triangulation" was Clinton adopting republican policy positions and one-upping them (e.g. welfare reform, NAFTA, Glass-Steagall). This drove the republicans crazy (remember Gingrich's Contract with America) and ever further right.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by wpietri on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:06PM (#33803702)
Agreed. And a later example is how the Affordable Care Act is essentially a Republican idea. But it's wild to think "they agreed with us too much" is seen as a plausible reason for radicalization.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by otikik on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:41PM (#33804386)
The Democrats are seen as right wing where I’m from.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by slowhand09 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:31PM (#33806291)
You might note that XKCD stopped at 2012, so 10yrs of major change has happened since.

And 1/2 of the US has ideas that do not match the current left.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Aromasin on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:01AM (#33801652)
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by canucklady on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:13AM (#33801809)
It's worth pointing out Elon is being disingenuous. He was pro-Democrat (not Left) when they were kowtowing to the tech industry and handing out green technology subsidies. Now that there's scepticism of Big Tech oligarchs and easy money has dried up he's pivoted to extreme right-libertarian to try and dismantle any regulation and dodge as many taxes as possible. He's also realized there's a marketing opportunity to rebrand his electric cars as alt-right. All those dudes with "fuck your prius" stickers on their f150s can now buy a model y to virtue signal to their pals.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by slowhand09 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @04:48PM (#33808280)
"rebrand his electric cars as alt-right"? Seriously? I can see why there is such a division in society. I don't know anyone I'd consider alt-right, or alt-left for that matter. But you are able to channel his intentions. And you just branded pickup drivers as alt-right and characterized them as people who would buy electric cars for virtue signaling. I do know many pickup owners. Most do hard work, requiring pickups to transport tools, crews, equipment. Of those, the ones disparaging Priuses typically do so because they get stuck doing 10mph below the speed limit in the left lane while they are trying to get to a jobsite.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pdntspa on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:08AM (#33801731)
I don't know, has he always been a cheerleader for Trump? There are some things he is doing now that I don't remember him doing before that suggest his political stance has changed.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by chrchang523 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:21AM (#33801928)
He believes that Trump should have the same broadcast rights that other political figures do, but he prefers DeSantis to Trump: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/elon-musk-ron...
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by JohnFen on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:41PM (#33810530)
But there's almost no difference between the two, politically speaking, so that doesn't mean much.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by otikik on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:39PM (#33804361)
Well there’s no “left” on the United States, so he’s partially right.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by systemvoltage on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:47PM (#33804510)
These days, I agree more with Republicans than Democrats. It used to be exclusively Democrats during Obama days.

I've always been a classical liberal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

These values are unthinkable for progressives today.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by olau on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:49AM (#33801483)
One thing I've observed personally is that your personal information content changes over time, as you get to know the culture of the people writing. There's just less surprising stuff in there.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Aromasin on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:00AM (#33801633)
I'll strongly opposed that notion. I've been an avid subscriber for just under 10 years, so not as long but long enough. I do truly believe that in the last 1-2 years the "market-based, socially progressive, pragmatic international strongly opinionated journalism" has taken a back seat to fence-hopping, evidence-lacking, low quality articles that I normally see in the Times or the Telegraph.

I've got racks of magazines saved from those 10 years. Flicking back through now and comparing their critique on the EU say, versus 7 years ago, is like chalk and cheese. I'm not sure whether it was Brexit, Trumpism, the new wave of journalism from Vice/Buzzfeed and the like, or journalism's growing obsession with Twitter that caused this strange shift in writing style and substance, but I can physically see the disparity before my eyes now; hence the original post.

I'd doubt my opinion on the matter if, like you rightly put, my viewpoint could be seen shifted over time. But I still read and enjoy the same suite of news and articles that I always have in every other case. I'm not looking for a replacement to them. The Economist is an exception in my case, not the norm. If it was generic declinism, I'd be seeing fault in all of my inputs. As it stands, I'm only seeing it in the Economist. Perhaps it's because it's the one I'm so intimately familiar with. Equally, it's possible that the quality has changed. Maybe there's a good chance you're unable to see it because you've changed in tandem with the magazine, not kept to your own path.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by biophysboy on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:06AM (#33801707)
I think the reflexive mistrust in all "establishment" papers, magazines, journals, etc is mostly due to the chatter about them on social media. People have fawning praise or ruthless scorn for an article, usually based on some combination of the headline and what everyone else is posting about it. Sometimes this bleeds into the traditional journalism itself, leading to media chasing meme/clickbait topics, but I think "we the people" are not as innocent as we like to feel we are.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by mechanical_bear on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:09AM (#33801749)
I tend to agree with OP. Quality declined, I cancelled my subscription.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by flycaliguy on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:26AM (#33802002)
The exercise that was cancelling, including being hung up on twice during the process, is why I’d never go back.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by musk_micropenis on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:02PM (#33803648)
I vehemently disagree with the "Economist has declined" crowd but I had to unsubscribe one time for financial reasons a few years ago and the difficulty in unsubscribing is why I will never subscribe again. I had to call a number in Singapore (where I did not live) and wait on hold for a long time.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by have_faith on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:58PM (#33805779)
I was considering subscribing until I read that you need to ring someone to cancel. That's a no-go.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by wpietri on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:14AM (#33801827)
As somebody who has been reading it even longer, I disagree.

We live in an age of increasing polarization. Asymmetric polarization, I should add; look at how the US House has changed since 1980 or so: https://xkcd.com/1127/large/

The Economist has long been attempting to straddle common political divides even as those divides grow larger. This has been causing fragmentation everywhere. Look, for example, at the Libertarian party in America, which is falling apart right now [1] as they drop antisemitic memes [2] and say it's fine.

All of this is happening at the same time they've shifted from a weekly cadence to continuous publishing, meaning less time to ponder, with a significant expansion in volume of content.

I think they're doing a decent job of keeping it together, but the cracks are showing. E.g., their "by invitation" pieces are by nature platforming people and avoiding most of their editorial standards. They are surely cheap to produce and good clickbait, but I think it's a mistake. I also see right-wing framings creeping into pieces more often than before.

Admittedly, it's a hard problem. When the leader of the Republican party is supping with bigots [3], there's no longer a clear line between mainstream views and the awful fringe. So I'm still subscribing and I hope they work it out. But I also wouldn't mind finding some alternatives these days so that if things get worse, I have options.

[1] https://www.thedailybeast.com/libertarian-party-is-fighting-...

[2] https://boingboing.net/2022/11/15/libertarian-party-embraces...

[3] https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=trump+k...

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by tekla on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:21AM (#33801938)
> heir "by invitation" pieces are by nature platforming people and avoiding most of their editorial standards.

> I also see right-wing framings creeping into pieces more often than before.

There we go, you think its worse because it doesn't 100% cater to your views.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by wpietri on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:45AM (#33802327)
It is true that I disagree with some of the right-wing framings, but I don't object on that account. I've never entirely agreed with The Economist, but that hasn't kept me from enjoying it and finding it useful.

But the US right has from my perspective gone insane. Take as an example the belief that Trump won the 2020 election. A majority of Republicans (and only Republicans, not independents, Democrats, or people outside the US) believe that Joe Biden did not legitimately win: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/07/republica...

And unfortunately, it's not confined to the US. From Boris Johnson to Jair Bolsonaro to Viktor Orban and well beyond, there are a lot of politicians on the right who you can't really call conservative in that they, like Trump, have repudiated a lot of traditional conservative values like honesty, accuracy, and integrity.

My problem is that the Economist, whose tone for me has always been one of cool reason, whose founding goal was "to take part in 'a severe contest between intelligence, which presses forward, and an unworthy, timid ignorance obstructing our progress,'" is letting the crazy leak in.

As I said, it's a hard problem to stay balanced in unbalanced times, so I have sympathy for them. But that doesn't mean I'm going to pretend the problem doesn't exist.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Manuel_D on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:14AM (#33802861)
The Economist has repeatedly and emphatically rejected the lie that the 2020 election was stolen. I'm really not seeing any "crazy leak in". Pretty much all "crazy" views I can think of the Economist rejects vigorously.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by wpietri on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:07PM (#33803723)
Then it's a good thing I didn't claim the Economist agreed with the Big Lie.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Manuel_D on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:33PM (#33805351)
Then what is the "crazy leak[ing] in" you're referring to?
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jhbadger on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:10PM (#33803787)
And it absolutely accepts that climate change is real, human caused, and needs to be addressed, which at least in the US is not the standard right-wing opinion.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by musk_micropenis on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:12PM (#33803824)
> And unfortunately, it's not confined to the US. From Boris Johnson to Jair Bolsonaro to Viktor Orban and well beyond, there are a lot of politicians on the right who you can't really call conservative in that they, like Trump, have repudiated a lot of traditional conservative values like honesty, accuracy, and integrity.

> My problem is that the Economist, whose tone for me has always been one of cool reason, whose founding goal was "to take part in 'a severe contest between intelligence, which presses forward, and an unworthy, timid ignorance obstructing our progress,'" is letting the crazy leak in.

I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. It honestly makes me wonder if you've actually read The Economist in the past 7 years.

The Economist is very critical of Boris Johnson - their latest articles on him include "The tragedy of Boris Johnson", "Boris Johnson should go immediately" and "Clownfall: Britain after Boris".

Recent pieces on Jair Bolsonaro include "The enduring threat of Jair Bolsonaro", "Win or lose, Jair Bolsonaro poses a threat to Brazilian democracy" and "President Jair Bolsonaro is bad for Brazil's economy".

On Viktor Orban they say "Viktor Orban's victory is a triumph for illiberal nationalism", "How Viktor Orban hollowed out Hungary's democracy".

On Trump I won't even begin. Almost no publication has been more harshly critical of Trump.

So your claim that The Economist is determined to "both-sides" every discussion doesn't hold any water at all to me. The Economist has always had an open and transparent editorial position and they write to that position. They are not interested in promoting the views of extremists or crazies on either side. If you have such an example I would be keen to hear it.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by wpietri on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:21PM (#33804020)
> So your claim that The Economist is determined to "both-sides" every discussion

This is not a claim I made. And you generally don't seem to have come to grips with my point.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by infamia on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:19PM (#33803968)
> But the US right has from my perspective gone insane. Take as an example the belief that Trump won the 2020 election. A majority of Republicans (and only Republicans, not independents, Democrats, or people outside the US) believe that Joe Biden did not legitimately win: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/07/republica...

I think both parties have gone insane and have been there for many years. The US system has been unbalanced and wobbly for years. While the problem is much worse on the right as of late, the corrosion of our electoral system is strong and alive on the left as well. The incoming House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries repeatedly said that the election was stolen by Trump and that his presidency is illegitimate. [0] Honestly, this tweet written by Jeffries reads exactly like an unhinged Trump Twitter rant. [1] The claims that the election was stolen was repeated publicly by Hillary Clinton, then the defacto leader of the party. Going further back, there are Democrats who still say that the election was stolen from Al Gore, which is a ridiculous claim. To be clear, Trump takes these assaults on our democratic institutions to an entirely different level and breadth, but let's look at this from both sides instead of asserting that it's just one side.

[0] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/election-denier-hake...

[1] https://twitter.com/RepJeffries/status/964581721088897025?s=...

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by ZeroGravitas on Thursday December 01, 2022 @05:56AM (#33814721)
Why do people link to articles in rags like the Washington Examiner via sites that launder the url into something harmless like msn or yahoo?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by CodeWriter23 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:29AM (#33802036)
IMO the Economist's version of "progressivism" has shifted to be more aligned with the World Economic Forum's version of "progressivism". Some might even say, in lockstep with the WEF at this point. IMO the newer brand is more aligned with the Third Reich's version of progressivism than the version I grew up believing in which is a generally non-invasive benovalent advancement of the human race.

One might do well to research the roots of "progressivism"; it's a very nice sounding word with some really evil origins, and the confusing thing is, it's evolutionary existence across decades has states where it was more good than evil.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by libraryatnight on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:34AM (#33802127)
There's no way you came to this conclusion yourself, you need to get off the internet
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by I_complete_me on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:42AM (#33802255)
Given the writer's handle and what I know about AI and GPT-3, it probably IS the internet!
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by davidhyde on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:13AM (#33802846)
I agree that The Economist has not been declining. I believe that what is really happening is that, at some point, a reader will eventually come across an article where they are particularly knowledgable about the subject matter. To their horror, they proceed to read an article that is “fraudulent by omission”. The cherry picked facts (which are correct) are chosen to fit a narrative. Every article read after this is mired by scepticism and therefor the perceived decline of the publication. This is what happened to me back in 2015 and try as I might, I just couldn’t get back into reading that magazine. I really miss those ignorant days of blissful intellectual smugness though.

It’s like watching a movie where you only ever see the good side of the hero. Viewers do not want you to change their mind half way through or cause them to be confused by the muddy reality of things.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by ChainOfFools on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:25AM (#33803056)
the gell-mann effect
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by musk_micropenis on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:00PM (#33803611)
What he described is literally the opposite of Gell-Mann Amnesia, which is the phenomenon where such a reader will forget about all of the inaccuracies he noticed in the article on which he was an expert and continue believing other articles to be accurate.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by eternalban on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:03PM (#33804786)
It's called the why-am-i-paying-for-this effect.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by davidhyde on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:53PM (#33806640)
This effect is worth mentioning in this context even though, as another commenter noted, it wasn’t what I meant. Thanks for adding it though. https://loricism.fandom.com/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_Effect
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by jmyeet on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:01PM (#33803617)
I feel this exact same way every time someone claims Google search results have declined in quality.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by JohnFen on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:37PM (#33810499)
Although the decline in Google's search results is less subjective. Either you can find what you're looking for or you can't. Plenty of people (certainly not all) can't.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pyuser583 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @12:17AM (#33812626)
Its quality increased dramatically the mid-2000s. Before that it was much more conversational and opinionated.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by wirrbel on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:21AM (#33801100)
I had subscribed to the economist and it was a nightmare to cancel the subscription (they expected a phone call and would not accept a cancellation by email). I will never ever subscribe the economist again for dark patterns
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by totalZero on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:23AM (#33801120)
I follow Nikkei very frequently for tech news and I enjoy Barron's for market viewpoints.

My view is that Western Europe has become less relevant to North American culture, technology, and finance over the past five or so years. Latin America and Asia are now far more relevant to North American life and the future thereof.

I share your thoughts about the Economist and I feel it has gone downhill. I wonder how much of that is due to the cultural and economic decline of the UK and the public narrative shift accompanying that decline. Brexit brought some very unsavory and counterproductive sentiments to the fore.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rayiner on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:24AM (#33801133)
I read Bloomberg and listen to CNBC. I think at bottom knowing what’s really happening matters to finance peoples’ bottom lines, and that has a way of focusing the mind and cutting through partisan blinders.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by paganel on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:24AM (#33801137)
I've been reading The Economist, on and off, for about 17 years. Since about a year or so I've come back to reading it each week, after a pause of a couple of years. I also did notice the same change of quality as you also noticed, and I'm not really convinced that it's only caused by me noticing stuff all of a sudden.

As a specific example, them calling whatever the Trump supporters say about the 2020 elections as the "Big Lie", capitalised, it's something that they wouldn't have done ~10 years ago. I'm talking about the same magazine that had a 3-page mostly congratulatory article on Blair long after the start of the Iraq war (I'd say around 2010-2012). They didn't capitalised any "L-s" in "lies" back then, I'm not even sure they called out Blair as being a liar.

As an answer to your specific question, for the moment I'm also trying out Foreign Affairs. They're even more ideologically one-sided than The Economist, but at least in their case they wear their ideology on their sleeve, so to speak, which makes it more bearable for me to read them. Their book reviews (including the longer "review essays", as they call them) though are less ideologically one-sided, or at least so I found them, and imo they're intellectually worth more than many of the featured articles.

For example the September-October issue has this excellent review called: "Old World Order - The Real Origin of International Relations" [1], commenting on a book called "Before the West: The Rise and Fall of Eastern World Orders" [2], which presented the "birth" of international relations via Mongol rule in most of Eurasia starting with the 1200s. In so doing it also makes some passing references to Russians Eurasians like Nikolai Trubetzkoy, Vernadsky or Gumilyov, and what their writings and theories might mean for modern Russia. Really interesting stuff and pretty on point, which stuff I didn't see mentioned in almost any issue of The Economist (where the underlying belief is that the West is fighting the Russian Asiatic Horde, and they leave it at that).

I've also been a FT reader for 20 years, again, with big on-an-off periods, but, the same as with The Economist, I found that their biases have changed quite a lot, in a way that I don't like (there are exceptions, like Martin Wolf, with whom I mostly don't agree on a political level but which has been mostly on point, plus their finance-related reporting is really good, at least for non-experts like me).

[1] https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/old-world-order

[2] https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/before-the-west/78E4B5C...

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by ssivark on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:45AM (#33801413)
Had you considered that this might be a macro problem? The last several decades had a stable narrative with special places for certain institutions. With the narrative world order unwinding, institutions are having a hard time seeming authoritative (despite desperate attempts) because they cannot figure out the “right” new narratives. If this diagnosis is correct, you are unlikely to find much satisfaction from shifting sources — it’s the end of an era, and a whiplash from the last few decades of “over stability” ignoring several distinct changes and having them pile up and bubble out all at once.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by lajosbacs on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:51AM (#33801509)
I'd vote for FT from your list. It is worth it just for Janan Ganesh's columns, the rest is just a bonus.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Cwizard on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:52AM (#33801530)
The perceived decline in quality might just be caused by a very real increase in the quality of ‘amateur’ journalism.

I noticed this both during covid and Ukraine coverage. The quality of journalism that is now available online is in my opinion much greater than any news organisation can put out. Often because the amateur journalist are people covering event from on the ground as it is happening.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by heywherelogingo on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:05AM (#33801702)
Obvious who's going to defend The Economist: https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/ratings
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by noodlesUK on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:08AM (#33801734)
I think the thing that will suit you most is probably the FT. It's a similar grown-up feeling paper with a strong financial lean but still covers general interest news in a clear way. It's one of the few newspapers that I read that still has some longer form content.

I see that you're UK based -- If you still have an active UK university email, you can usually get a subscription for free. See this page for details: https://enterprise.ft.com/ft-education-resources/licence-fin...

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rch on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:28AM (#33802015)
I'm a FT subscriber, and I can also recommend the Neue Zürcher Zeitung (https://nzz.ch/english).

They tend to have excellent data-driven reporting, and substantive articles.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by disposition2 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:08AM (#33801740)
Just a PSA for anyone in the US, typically your public library will have access to digital products like Libby or Flipster. These products typically include access magazines (such as the Economist), newspapers and websites for free.

As to OPs question, I typically try to use an array of sources for news and try to support publications that I cannot access freely / through other means or feel strongly about supporting (such as local news and publications like Harpers).

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by waltbosz on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:19AM (#33801904)
Also, your public library may have videos games.

Sadly, my library system's collection of Switch games is missing the Kibry franchise. But it does have Smash Bros which has been a lot of fun.

Also, if you live near the border of a state with a better library system than yours, check if you can get a non-resident library card (you may have to pay).

Also, if you have young children, check out https://imaginationlibrary.com/ from Dolly Parton. It's a free program that will mail your child a free book every month up until their 5th birthday.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by janandonly on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:17AM (#33801867)
I guess as a Dutch speaker, I am somewhat “spoiled” by the existence of 360 Magazine [1].

They don't write their articles, but translate into Dutch news articles from all over the world. It really makes for high-quality reading.

  [1] https://www.360magazine.nl
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by zhte415 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:25AM (#33801988)
Further ideas

Aside from the FT,

Read the BoE/ECB publications.

Follow topics you're interested in via REPEC https://ideas.repec.org/services.html - see subscription options at the base of the page.

Follow the econ Mastodon econtwitter.net

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by fattybob on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:34AM (#33802126)
I used to be an Financial Times fanboy, but sad to say, it’s been going downhill for some time now , for news stories I should add. I used to get the economist, but found with my work rotation (4-6 week remote areas) - I was simply not reading it, then I was intrigued by a colleague reading the spectator- never really my politics, but I gave it a read and have been reading it since, I would read private eye if I could get it (not seen it in Vietnam). I also now read the telegraph- that and spectator and FT all online, again, I take a contrary bevies on any political bias, but the writing is good and enjoyable. Maybe I should take another look at the economist- in the past it was superb, it excelled in all fields, often better than supposedly specialised magazines (yeah - I ditched new scientist soon after graduating)!
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rchaud on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:02AM (#33802630)
Wall Street Journal (except the op-ed pages, which are comically extreme). Financial Times is also very good, I prefer WSJ.

They provide actual reporting and not just narrative; WSJ reporting broke the news of the Theranos fraud for example.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by ROTMetro on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:52PM (#33804594)
I used to subscribe but at some point as a free market believer I have to put my money where my mouth is and not fund ANY Murdoch enterprises.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rchaud on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @04:13PM (#33807790)
If it heads in a Fox News or UK Sun type of direction, I'm gone. But for the time being, it really is one of the few sources of high-quality business coverage. That's partially why it's so inordinately expensive compared to other papers.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by mzd348 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:14AM (#33802858)
Politico.eu has a weekly "print edition" (you can download the pdf from their site) and I feel it's not too far from The Economist in terms of subject matter, and goes into more depth for EU issues. The writing quality isn't as good though. Not sure what their political leaning is.

The New Statesman isn't bad but has some problems: delivery delays to the US (maybe not an issue for you) and lots of "advertorials". The writing quality is usually good. It has a left/labour leaning.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by comte7092 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:48AM (#33803422)
Project-syndicate is a great option:

https://www.project-syndicate.org/

I’ve also enjoy Adam tooze’s newsletter after seeing it crop up on hacker news lately:

https://adamtooze.substack.com

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by apeescape on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:17PM (#33803939)
Not a comprehensive magazine/paper, but I really like Matt Levine's Money Stuff newsletter; mentioning it in case you haven't checked it out yet.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by nuc1e0n on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:24PM (#33804074)
I have similar feelings about the magazine. I think a lot of the oddness of their views are down to the writers not really being 'digital natives'. There's a hint of them being slightly confused and fearful when it comes to stories with a technological angle to them.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by rcarr on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:37PM (#33804320)
Had a quick look and couldn’t see this suggestion anywhere else so apologies if is has already been mentioned. Why not bypass these kinds of magazines all together and subscribe to a few writers or publications on substack? There is some very high quality stuff on there and you can explore your particular interests deeper. Some good places to start might be the Pragmatic Engineer for tech posts and Glenn Greenwald for investigative journalism.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by ianyanusko on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:46PM (#33805578)
Not quite a replacement given that it's quarterly, but the nascent Asterisk Mag seems like it would at least fill the long-form essay niche: https://asteriskmag.com/

I'm still a serious economist reader and podcast listener, especially for their special reports, but I've also started to rely more and more on a curated RSS feed of substacks & blogs.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by TurkishPoptart on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:40PM (#33806455)
It's really crazy to see that the infamous Rothschild family has a 25% stake in this magazine. Not to mention obscure European shell companies, holding God-knows-what else.

>Owners:

    Exor N.V. (43.40%)
    Rothschild
    Cadbury
    Schroder
    Layton[1]
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Group
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by gxqoz on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:58PM (#33806723)
I agree with others that I don't understand where you're coming from in some sort of decline or big change in The Economist. Maybe if you're overly obsessed with the editorials, which I've always skipped, something has changed. But the basic news reporting remains more or less the same as it has been for the 5+ years I've been subscribing.

I subscribed to Le Monde Diplomatique for a year and rarely found more than 1 or 2 articles a month that were interesting info I couldn't get elsewhere.

I subscribe to Foreign Affairs and find it to be 80% boring junk on the same set of topics about the rise of China, what to do about Russia, etc. The occasional article or book review on a less covered country makes it sort of worth the subscription price to me.

If you're just looking for something like "interesting book reviews," I'd take a look at the Literary Review. Or maybe the Times Literary Supplement. And New York Review of Books and London Review of Books offer much more in-depth reviews, but reading between the lines it seems like the op is saying The Economist is too liberal for them and is not going to like the tenor of most of what's in these.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by gxqoz on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:01PM (#33806775)
Another option I guess is Bloomberg Businessweek which has at least some of the same news coverage as The Economist. But if you're not liking The Economist for having too much opinion you don't agree with, I'm guessing you won't like Businessweek. (You can usually find a print sub to Businessweek that's a lot less than a regular Bloomberg one).
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by nirv on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @04:29PM (#33807998)
Financial Times[1] is my primary source of high-quality European and international news. Politico Europe[2] and WSJ[3] come next.

I also recommend Spiegel International[4], Le Monde Diplomatique[5], and Nikkei Asia[6] for the German, French, and Japanese perspectives respectively.

[1] https://ft.com

[2] https://politico.eu

[3] https://wsj.com

[4] https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe

[5] https://mondediplo.com

[6] https://asia.nikkei.com

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by pyuser583 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @12:21AM (#33812652)
We are living in a golden age of high quality journalism - it just coexists with lots of crap.

For example, on the Left you have N+1 and Progressive. On the Center you have Atlantic and Foreign Affairs. Conservatives have National Affair, American Affairs, and National Review.

But none of them is a biweekly paper/magazine intended to keep you informed of all major current events from an international perspective.

Realistically, you have to go with a daily: Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post.

We don’t have weekly or biweekly papers in the US.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by RamblingCTO on Thursday December 01, 2022 @06:21AM (#33814911)
I wanted to throw in NZZ, but I'm afraid they only have German issues. Le Monde Diplomatique is nice for their longer reports. That's where I first learned that sand will run out somewhere in the 2050s due to concrete.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by Daniel_92 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @09:56AM (#33817006)
Just read The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand. There's a beautiful metanarrative in there about first the "thought leaders" and then eventually the artists, and then eventually the media declining as they grovel and collectively are unwilling to check each other basically in the name of political correctness(I won't spoil it beyond that, great book). "A society gets the military it deserves" -TR Fehrenbach, This Kind of War. The same is true of the media. I agree with what you said on the Economist. Probably 4-6 years ago, I saw the same thing happen with the Atlantic. Very sad. I use HN because it pulls from so many sources. Ill still enjoy stuff from the Econ here and there. 2 pieces of advice: Diversify your sources, and second, develop a system of personal morality. Too few people in our society have one of those... which means too few people who are philosophers have one, and therefore too few artists, and too few journalists. And eventually, people like you and me can recognize that not only is the bar low.... someone stole the bar and is chasing the contestants around with it beating them at random. Cheers.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by quickthrower2 on Thursday December 01, 2022 @07:44PM (#33825278)
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist Magazine? by redwood on Sunday December 04, 2022 @06:41PM (#33859346)
I like Foreign Policy