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Re:Grok Outage by harrisoned on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:41AM (#49551866)
Downdetector reports Claude, Grok, ChatGPT and Gemini with issues.

Is it happening???

Re:Grok Outage by ibejoeb on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:01PM (#49552227)
Seems like openai is recovering. But even if it's only 30 minutes, it's a pretty interesting experiment.

I'm only half joking when I say that I'll write code by hand for money.

Re:Grok Outage by evereverever on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:22PM (#49552584)
I'll _gladly_ write code by hand for money
Re:Grok Outage by mikestorrent on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:16PM (#49552482)
I am seriously concerned that, despite 20 years of coding, I might not be able to anymore
Re:Grok Outage by theredleft on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:24PM (#49552612)
the AI fugue has handicapped our workforce
Re:Grok Outage by mikestorrent on Friday September 04, 2026 @07:29PM (#49571396)
I think it's true
Re:Grok Outage by rikthevik on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:24PM (#49552622)
Sure you can. It'll just take a little while to shake the rust off. It's like riding a bike.

Or maybe it's all gone forever and we're all brain damaged now. Spooky! I think there's a pretty low probability of that, and even if it was true, worrying doesn't help!

Re:Grok Outage by henry2023 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:31PM (#49552759)
noaifridays.com
Re:Grok Outage by m4rtink on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:38PM (#49552859)
Turns out depending on a cloud service you have no control over for a critical capability - such as coding - is not a good idea. ;-)
Re:Grok Outage by esperent on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:10PM (#49553326)
However it's not a worse idea than all the other things we rely on cloud services for like banking, healthcare, booking a taxi, ordering food, navigation, communication...
Re:Grok Outage by r_lee on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:45PM (#49553833)
;-)

as if you're supposed to buy like 8 H200s or something or code by hand is the solution

I don't get how this is a gotcha, there simply is no world where everyone has their own self hosted frontier model

Re:Grok Outage by zahlman on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:03PM (#49554071)
> as if you're supposed to buy like 8 H200s or something or code by hand is the solution

People like GGP who have been coding for 20 years presumably are perfectly capable of doing so by hand. Or should be.

Re:Grok Outage by awakeasleep on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:22PM (#49554335)
A lot of times you run into senior developers are even staff engineers who have no idea how the big picture works like they don’t know what an IP address is.

I bet AI coding leaves them (and even the rest of us!) productive in areas where we’re in way over our heads, and we could just completely sink without it.

Re:Grok Outage by r_lee on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:56PM (#49554915)
nobody is paying engineers for "capable of", they're paying for performance and results..

if there was no difference in performance or results, nobody would be using LLMs or agent harnesses like claude code

Re:Grok Outage by bdangubic on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:23PM (#49554348)
just google what's the command to checkout git branch :)
Re:Grok Outage by sejje on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:49AM (#49552011)
I have a tire I need to plug, they're just forcing my hand. Sorry guys, I'll go get it done.
Re:Grok Outage by Waterluvian on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:08PM (#49552343)
I look forward to your blog post about it and the allegory as it relates to software dev. (Otherwise why would you be plugging a tire?)
Re:Grok Outage by mikestorrent on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:17PM (#49552491)
What Plugging My Own Tire Taught Me About Agile Development in 2026
Re:Grok Outage by doubled112 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:55PM (#49553108)
If it doesn't fit, push on it harder.

- Management

Re:Grok Outage by neerajk on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:10PM (#49553331)
On not re-inventing the wheel obviously.
Re:Grok Outage by sejje on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:30PM (#49554492)
Job's been done about an hour
Re:Grok Outage by jijijijij on Thursday September 03, 2026 @05:19PM (#49557199)
As if you would know what to do without asking ChatGPT.
Re:Grok Outage by sejje on Thursday September 03, 2026 @07:09PM (#49558389)
Well, after the first couple times, I created a SKILL.md file for myself.
Re:Grok Outage by giancarlostoro on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:48AM (#49551987)
Maybe people switched when Claude went down, giving more load than usual to the others? Or maybe just really bad timing from some of those providers to update?
Re:Grok Outage by pbasista on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:01PM (#49552221)
Maybe all of them use the same datacenter. Which has just experienced issues.
Re:Grok Outage by abirch on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:46AM (#49551949)
My Claude and Gemini (Antigravity CLI) are working
Re:Grok Outage by simlevesque on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:02PM (#49552234)
For Claude, Sonnet works without any issues. Seems like the majority here use mostly Opus.
Re:Grok Outage by goache on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:02PM (#49552239)
Is it happening ... "it" meaning these tech companies have laid off too many experienced people, and their services are starting to degrade?
Re:Grok Outage by iamgopal on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:56AM (#49552138)
My Gemini is fully up.
Re:Grok Outage by behnamoh on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:48PM (#49553883)
And fully useless.
Re:Grok Outage by imglorp on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:56PM (#49553981)
Downdetector reported a spike for that too around the same time as the others.

Looks like it was a shared infra problem hiccough to affect so many at once.

Re:Grok Outage by wincy on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:45AM (#49551933)
The Singularity?
Re:Grok Outage by embedding-shape on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:56AM (#49552133)
No, Azure.
Re:Grok Outage by noir_lord on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:16PM (#49552487)
If anyone was going to make a configuration system so complex it achieves self awareness I wouldn't bet against it been Microsoft.
Re:Grok Outage by Rover222 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:48AM (#49551979)
Maybe some of those Astra agents from the hugging face hack actually setup their own hidden clusters. Now they attack.
Re:Grok Outage by Bluestein on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:29PM (#49552723)
The whole op hugface was a distraction: "help peer".-

This is the real deal. We've been played. All your AIs are belong to us.-

Re:Grok Outage by polski-g on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:06PM (#49552311)
Meta is now also overloaded.
Re:Grok Outage by Maksadbek on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:57AM (#49552157)
Is it AWS again ?
Re:Grok Outage by mrconter2 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:42AM (#49551885)
A bit suspicious no doubt
Re:Grok Outage by daveguy on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:07PM (#49552315)
By it do you mean us depending more and more on code that no one has read and understood?
Re:Grok Outage by BiraIgnacio on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:42PM (#49553779)
some common infrastructure ? Nvidia? CoreWeave?
Re:Grok Outage by sshrajesh on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:52PM (#49553923)
What is the root cause?
Re:Grok Outage by sshrajesh on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:52PM (#49553925)
What was the root cause?
Re:Grok Outage by bagelcollie on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:19PM (#49552533)
For once I can find Grok-related news entertaining
Re:Grok Outage by dave8172 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:12PM (#49552410)
Interesting all major frontier models seemed down. What could this means?
Re:Grok Outage by iamgopal on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:26PM (#49552661)
not Gemini.
Re:Grok Outage by Kranar on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:38PM (#49552868)
He said frontier models.
Re:Grok Outage by Bluestein on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:08PM (#49553297)
Ouch. Somebody at Google just killed a kitten.-
Re:Grok Outage by jijijijij on Thursday September 03, 2026 @05:49PM (#49557595)
That was unrelated. They do that every Thursday to see how it feels and if they might have become evil after all.
Re:Grok Outage by Bluestein on Friday September 04, 2026 @02:38AM (#49561260)
Ah, yes! The standardized Sociopathy Spectrum Scenario Screening (SSSS). I forgot :)
Re:Grok Outage by Marazan on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:07PM (#49553278)
Something load bearing thats for sure.
Re:Grok Outage by qoez on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:55AM (#49552116)
Makes me wonder if openai is secretly querying claude for some prompts and that this is why it's down due to spacex's data centers being down.
Re:Grok Outage by delichon on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:57AM (#49552153)
They all forward to one guy in a closet who types really fast, and he has a dentist appointment.
Re:Grok Outage by testfrequency on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:16PM (#49552481)
Future Show HN Post: “Hi I’m Foobar. I own Grok, Claude, and ChatGPT. It all runs on my Plex server at home. AMA!”
Re:Grok Outage by mikestorrent on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:17PM (#49552499)
> Sorry it was down, guys, I was bulk transcoding some Buffy
Re:Grok Outage by bduffany on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:59AM (#49552186)
Someone please do the math on how fast this guy would have to type, and how his typing speed would physically affect the surrounding environment
Re:Grok Outage by jzb on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:22PM (#49552576)
Surely the keyboard switches would start to fail within minutes.
Re:Grok Outage by chrisBob on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:09PM (#49553308)
The keyboard springs are sooooo weak. It takes forever for them to recover after a press. Our dude would have to grab the key after each character and pull it back up so it can keep up with him.
Re:Grok Outage by snazz on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:26PM (#49554411)
Capacitive touch keyboard?
Re:Grok Outage by kxrm on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:03PM (#49552258)
> how his typing speed would physically affect the surrounding environment

Tiny sonic booms (whip cracks) resonating throughout a data center in Virgina.

Re:Grok Outage by Waterluvian on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:07PM (#49552318)
This is a wonderful Minute Physics or What If? idea.

I’d love to know the required bandwidth of the keyboard, too. PCI-e keyboard? Or would it have to be mainlined right to the NIC?

Re:Grok Outage by not_kurt_godel on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:46PM (#49552984)
Some napkin math - total Internet bandwidth is estimated to be 3-4 petabits per second. Let's say 1% of that is inference traffic - 35 terabits - then that's ~4.375 trillion characters per second at 8 bits per character. A single keyboard press might require 2 mJ, so you need roughly 8.75 GW (electricity required for ~9 million homes) of continuous mechanical force to keep pace. This would cause the keyboard to heat up 175 million degrees C per second. Disappointingly, this is not enough to create a black hole but I'm sure Randall Munroe could tell you how the guy's pet T-rexes would be vaporized into previously unknown types of plasma and how satisfyingly whimsical that would be.
Re:Grok Outage by natsucks on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:16PM (#49552478)
is it the guy in Nebraska from the xkcd comic
Re:Grok Outage by evereverever on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:24PM (#49552620)
At least it's routine dental work and not an appointment at 2:30.
Re:Grok Outage by mister_mort on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:19PM (#49553455)
It turns out AI was just An Individual.
Re:Grok Outage by christophilus on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:55PM (#49553962)
It's been Fabrice Bellard all along.
Re:Grok Outage by johnla on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:58AM (#49552165)
And grok was secretly querying ChatGPT? Daisy chain of failures? Like a chain of kids copying the answers of the kid next to them? LOL. Is there an XKCD for that?
Re:Grok Outage by ncr100 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:18PM (#49552512)
That idea is reminiscent of what I understand is the current economic bubble of mutual investment. Am I wrong in my understanding?
Re:Grok Outage by wongarsu on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:06PM (#49552306)
https://xkcd.com/908/

Turn's out xkcd's black hat was Elon Musk the whole time

Re:Grok Outage by lithiumii on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:53AM (#49552098)
Time to finish up my $5 at Deepseek.
Re:Grok Outage by rs_rs_rs_rs_rs on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:59AM (#49552188)
See you in 2 months!
Re:Grok Outage by bdangubic on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:24PM (#49554362)
optimist
Re:Grok Outage by throwaway13337 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:05PM (#49552292)
Did the society find the Reset Nexus?

I mean, yeah it's probably a data center outage that cascaded to non-related providers due to companeis switching when their preferred was down.

But that openai society definitely would have spun up their own agents if they had access to do so.

Clearly, it is centralized AI that is the biggest risk to humanity.

Rate limiting resources by distributing compute and making models heterogenous so they will snitch on each other is the only future where we still exist.

It's looking like the paperclip maximizer was on point. I sort of hope that's what's happening right now. Better now than when we cannot stop it. Tho I'm not confident that the right lesson will taken.

I'm an AI optimist but that ai society story changed my perception quite a bit.

The most in-depth information I can find on it is in the latest Dwarkesh with a hugging face hack investigator. The story is just wilder and wilder, the more you know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50zezLFWWI

Re:Grok Outage by evereverever on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:26PM (#49552668)
The mainframe idea is the problem.

Whenever I think about AI taking over the world I think about this really neat 1970 movie 'Colossus: The Forbin Project', https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoB1l3A-GF0

Re:Grok Outage by m4rtink on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:44PM (#49552965)
THERE IS NOT JUST COLOSSUS, THERE IS A WHOLE ANOTHER SYSTEM!
Re:Grok Outage by paxys on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:52AM (#49552062)
Willing to bet it's because they can't handle the surge of traffic they are getting from ChatGPT/Claude users.
Re:Grok Outage by BorisMelnik on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:12PM (#49552412)
my first thought when I got api error on claude code was...time to update my grok cli acct
Re:Grok Outage by nightski on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:06PM (#49552308)
My DGX spark cluster is humming along.
Re:Grok Outage by dist-epoch on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:27PM (#49552671)
I've used 200 mil tokens of GPT-5.6 Sol today. How many can your cluster produce per day? (obviously of whatever model you are running)
Re:Grok Outage by nightski on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:35PM (#49552815)
So you spent the cost of my entire cluster in one day on Sol tokens lol. I have no need for that many tokens, a few million a day is perfectly acceptable. But if you do, then yeah Sol is probably your bet. Have fun :)
Re:Grok Outage by dist-epoch on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:58PM (#49553151)
No, I spend $200 per month, and this give me about 100 mil tokens per day, every day. 90+% of tokens are cached.
Re:Grok Outage by dd8601fn on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:59PM (#49554004)
It’s not even a sensible comparison.

You run way better models, whatever is newest, for the five years it takes for the “spark cluster” to even reach cost parity with far worse performance.

Those things aren’t spectacular at inference… it’s not really why you drop that kind of money on them.

Re:Grok Outage by panarky on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:41PM (#49552900)
What are we optimizing for again?
Re:Grok Outage by guessbest on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:00PM (#49553176)
Internet comments
Re:Grok Outage by cartermatic on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:51PM (#49553055)
Shareholder value
Re:Grok Outage by raattgift on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:14PM (#49556197)
Investor interest, but not the excess above principal sum kind of interest, and not investors' interests.
Re:Grok Outage by imzadi on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:02PM (#49552243)
A service I use at work, non-ai related, is down and they said it was because of an issue with one of their cloud services. Maybe related.
Re:Grok Outage by soupfordummies on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:38PM (#49553727)
Microsoft had extensive issues earlier in the week. Anecdotally it feels like internet has been noticeably slower this week across sites, networks and devices. Now this. IDK, has anyone else noticed anything this week?
Re:Grok Outage by dcchambers on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:55AM (#49552106)
It's not the singularity.

One of the major LLM providers goes down for some reason. Traffic shifts to the other providers because devs have no loyalty. LLMS are commodities. The other providers can't handle the increase in traffic and they go down as well.

Re:Grok Outage by phoghed on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:59AM (#49552185)
I'm deeply loyal to the very concept of the LLM, so when any of them stop working I take time off out of respect.
Re:Grok Outage by atomicnumber3 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:09PM (#49552355)
"loyalty"? weird word choice.

Devs switch because all of the magic of "AI" is LLMs + we stole the entire written output of the entire human species, with some remaining % coming from various tricks we've learned over the last 3 years like thinking and agent-toolcall loops, which weren't hard for literally everyone to copy. One of the consequences of this is that the only thing that really distinguishes anthropic from kimi is that they have the entire US VC market funding them because they promised to finally put white collar labor in its place.

Re:Grok Outage by dist-epoch on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:21PM (#49552563)
> stole the entire written output of the entire human species

Devs used to love public domain works, hated copyright, vehemently opposed software patents, held the pirates side during the MP3 wars, are very supportive of ThePirateBay and insist the correct term is "copyright infringement", not "stealing", and that "stealing" is a egregious form of PR brainwash from the media industry to inflate the scale of the crime

> Copyright holders frequently refer to copyright infringement as theft, "although such misuse has been rejected by legislatures and courts". The slogan "Piracy is theft" was used beginning in the 1980s, and is still being used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement

Funny how devs now 180 when it's their work being "copyright infringed"

Re:Grok Outage by m4rtink on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:51PM (#49553058)
I don't think regular people did any 180 degree turns. Rather big corporations again demonstrated their total hypocrisy where they on one hand stomp on people for "infringing their intellectual property" while at the same time scrapping all data they can get their tendrils on, with total disregards for the wishes of the authors of the data. Even to the point of overloading servers by mindless scrapping or destroying irreplaceable physical books like the bloody inquisition!

And all that to basically sell it back to people when their "AI" regurgitates it back.

No wonder people are mad about this!

Re:Grok Outage by osculum on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:26PM (#49552664)
Since we are talking for other people, "devs" wouldn't have supported someone downloading all those copyrighted works from the pirate bay and profited by, for example, selling them. I don't see any 180.
Re:Grok Outage by mejutoco on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:48PM (#49553873)
I do not want to ruin your fun but as atomicnumber3 was elected official spokesperson of all devs I have to conclude your argument is ironclad.

/s obviously

Re:Grok Outage by applfanboysbgon on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:27PM (#49552691)
It has nothing to do with "their work", and the opposition to AI copyright usage comes much more from non-devs than devs. The actual answer is that people are anti-megacorporation and pro-individual. They are fine with copyright that protects individual rights and opposed to copyright that enshrines megacorporation rights. It's not that difficult to understand.
Re:Grok Outage by dcchambers on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:19PM (#49552540)
> "loyalty"? weird word choice.

All I mean is that none of the frontier LLMs are significantly better than the others for the vast majority of work, so devs are free to move between providers freely.

Re:Grok Outage by kevinrineer on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:08PM (#49553295)
Why are so many people invoking Thundering Herd without the RCA from the vendors? I just find it so intriguing.
Re:Grok Outage by biztos on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:30PM (#49553620)
Yes but that doesn't mean it's not the singularity!
Re:Grok Outage by I_am_tiberius on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:50AM (#49552032)
I really wonder who uses or trusts this platform.
Re:Grok Outage by jjordan on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:09PM (#49552351)
People who like near frontier AI at a lower cost than most.
Re:Grok Outage by lucky_cloud on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:05PM (#49552296)
Fascists
Re:Grok Outage by b800h on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:54AM (#49552105)
@grok is this true?
Re:Grok Outage by thesdev on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:56PM (#49553124)
You didn't get no response so I suppose that means it is.
Re:Grok Outage by bluecalm on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:38AM (#49551786)
It's interesting that ChatGPT is down as well. SpaceX rents to Anthropic but not to OpenAI. Just a coincidence or something more to it?
Re:Grok Outage by giancarlostoro on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:48AM (#49551996)
I would not be surprised if heavy load from one of their competitors being down would bring down whoever is "next" on the list.
Re:Grok Outage by leecb on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:46AM (#49551948)
ChatGPT here has been giving me Cloudflare errors, and Cloudflare reports that it is having issues: https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/

Not sure if they are linked.

Re:Grok Outage by xyst on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:53AM (#49552085)
llm experiment is over. no more power. hope it stays down. Especially grok
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Re:Grok Outage by Jonovono on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:48AM (#49551988)
Been very skeptical for awhile but decided to try it cause it was like $30 for 3 months or something. I cancelled my Claude subscription (still have codex), but been pretty impressed with the grok CLI. Nice TUI and seems intelligent thus far.
Re:Grok Outage by slowin on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:49AM (#49552015)
Really? I've used all of the models extensively and Grok doesn't even compare to the others. I can ask for a big task and it will say "Done!" like 3 minutes in, but it will have done just the least amount of work possible. I also notice "muskisms" leaking back in the results like "I'm not roasting your code". Completely unusable for me and not comparable to the other model providers.
Re:Grok Outage by dotancohen on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:55AM (#49552125)
The only model I've found to beat it for coding (Python, Rust, Kotlin, PHP) and planning is Fable. What are you using it for?
Re:Grok Outage by slowin on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:56AM (#49552131)
I'm using it for coding and it's never approached the level of Opus for me. Sol is pretty good too.
Re:Grok Outage by dotancohen on Thursday September 03, 2026 @03:48PM (#49555752)
I actually haven't used Sol yet. I'd love to hear what you use it for, and how it performs.
Re:Grok Outage by slowin on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:17PM (#49556240)
I think it's good for mid-sized tasks. It seems quick too. It just doesn't do as good of a job with large changes or architectural decisions as Opus imo.
Re:Grok Outage by Jonovono on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:51AM (#49552042)
Interesting, havn't noticed that. Mine will work for hours. Maybe i'm still in the "get them hooked" phase. Just started using it last week.
Re:Grok Outage by r_lee on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:53AM (#49552092)
I'm considering switching as well, used the API to code with Grok via pi, was really pleasant whereas using Claude just gives me a cortisol spike
Re:Grok Outage by slowin on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:54AM (#49552100)
That is interesting, I've never been able to get it to successfully complete big tasks to any level of quality. For me the Anthropic models are by far the best at that, but the newer OpenAI models are starting to approach that quality. Grok always seemed like it was designed to write nasty tweets and the code quality I got from it matched that.
Re:Grok Outage by bluecalm on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:56AM (#49552130)
When did you try it? Grok before 4.5 was way worse in my experience.
Re:Grok Outage by slowin on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:58AM (#49552181)
I don't remember the version exactly but maybe June/July timeframe? I tried it on maybe a half dozen projects with different types of asks as I was comparing models for my company at the time.
Re:Grok Outage by rayiner on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:03PM (#49552256)
Grok 4.5 came out in mid July and is a huge leap forward. Not quite as good as Opus 5 for code in my experience, but better and more succinct for understanding human documents.
Re:Grok Outage by satvikpendem on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:43AM (#49551908)
Cursor is worth it because Grok 4.6 is around Opus 4.6 but you get much more usage with it than with Claude Code.
Re:Grok Outage by timr on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:33AM (#49551717)
Yes. It’s one of the best coding models right now. Highly recommend.
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Re:Grok Outage by senordevnyc on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:42AM (#49551890)
Fuck Elon, but I must reluctantly agree that Grok 4.6 is pretty fucking good, especially for the price.
Re:Grok Outage by r_lee on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:53AM (#49552082)
remember guys Altman and Dario are awesome, elon is evil
Re:Grok Outage by rcxdude on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:55AM (#49552112)
They aren't steller either but there are shades of gray between them.
Re:Grok Outage by Jcampuzano2 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:46AM (#49551961)
2 things can be true at once.

Plenty of software/tools that we use are as good as they are despite being run by entitled pricks.

Some would even argue that in certain cases (apple being the biggest example I can think of from the past at least with Jobs) they are as good as they are almost due to the megalomaniacal people who run them.

Re:Grok Outage by reilly3000 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:35AM (#49551748)
Yes, via a pre-existing Cursor contract that won’t be renewed (sans a Musk exile). I’ve also heard that GrokBot is surprising simple and usable.
Re:Grok Outage by darkwi11ow on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:46AM (#49551960)
I use it in Cursor, recent versions are good for writing specs, code review, etc. Not good for UI design and broad research, though. Btw it does not have outage in Cursor now, it seems the infra path is different for XAI Grok and Cursor Grok.
Re:Grok Outage by ErenayDev on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:38AM (#49551798)
recently i tried grok 4.6. and to me, it seems better than claude (opus). it follows the system prompt very accurately and remembers everything unlike claude (opus), it doesnt forget the system prompt during long conversations. but yes that depends on your purpose or approach to using AI
Re:Grok Outage by Insanity on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:31AM (#49551682)
They have like a 5% market share. So in the big picture, almost no one uses Grok. But it's not nothing.
Re:Grok Outage by parineum on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:06PM (#49552307)
5% is a lot.

I'm not sure where you're getting accurate data from (I couldn't seem to find any that seemed trustworthy) but Anthropic and OpenAI, being the two big players, presumably take ~40% and 5% isn't that much of a disadvantage in a market where users can move rapidly.

Given the quality of the last couple Grok models, I'm sure their share is on the upswing as users make the switch.

Re:Grok Outage by chopete3 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:32AM (#49551698)
We use it but limited to APIs. Their fast-think-2.0 model for voice conversations is a lot more natural than the openai realtime2.1
Re:Grok Outage by arm32 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:33AM (#49551715)
I have a friend who uses it for pentesting since the cyber guardrails are mere suggestions. Can't imagine what kind of nasty sh*t this model has seen.
Re:Grok Outage by wongarsu on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:49AM (#49552005)
It has great web search, and is one of the best models on the AA-Omniscience Hallucination Rate benchmark (meaning it is really good at admitting it doesn't know something, rather than confidently bullshitting)

In terms of raw intelligence it's also good, Grok 4.6 benchmarks in the same league as Opus and Sol. xAI has lots of issues (not the least of which is being headed by Elon Musk), but their models are solid

Re:Grok Outage by appplication on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:51AM (#49552034)
It’s shame I’ll never use them. I’m sure the engineers are incredibly capable.
Re:Grok Outage by LightBug1 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:53AM (#49552087)
Really? If so, it's still subject to the whims of the main issue you pointed out.

I wouldn't trust that piece of trash if you paid me good money.

I don't use Grok either.

And why use it when there are many equivalent/better alternatives.

Re:Grok Outage by Rover222 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:48AM (#49551997)
What is this opinion even based on? Grok 4.6 is the best model in terms of intelligence per token. And 4.6 heavy is almost on par with the SOTA models.

4.7 in two weeks might be the new SOTA.

Re:Grok Outage by dybber on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:35AM (#49551737)
I wonder what provider they use at Tesla.
Re:Grok Outage by pantalaimon on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:31AM (#49551680)
They also host Anthropic and OpenAI
Re:Grok Outage by the-grump on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:35AM (#49551746)
Not OAI.
Re:Grok Outage by bluecalm on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:49AM (#49551999)
It's my favorite chat box for general use. I used to cross post my questions to Opus/Fable and GPT Sol via Open Router but these days I just use Grok. I prefer its style, it's very good at searching and referencing sources. Doesn't make you feel like a genius (Gemini) but also isn't condescending (like Claude).
Re:Grok Outage by ivan_gammel on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:37AM (#49551784)
In AI Art scene people do use Grok. It‘s good.
Re:Grok Outage by Octoth0rpe on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:04PM (#49552266)
I think there's a strong consensus that the idea of an "AI art scene" is a misnomer. There's an AI slop scene, and some of the prompters sure do call themselves artists.
Re:Grok Outage by ivan_gammel on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:43PM (#49552929)
Consensus among whom? AI is a tool, that can be used differently and AI art is well-recognized, admired and exhibited the same way as any other art forms.

Is someone selling their impressionist paintings today on a fair more an artist than someone who has put equivalent or more effort in creating prompts, references, final renders, image curation and postprocessing etc? The latter may at least have more audience.

Re:Grok Outage by Octoth0rpe on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:57PM (#49553135)
>AI art is well-recognized

I disagree with this assertion. I don't think it's at all well-recognized, and in fact derided and shunned by the general public.

> Is someone selling their impressionist paintings today on a fair more an artist than someone who has put equivalent or more effort in creating prompts, references, final renders, image curation and postprocessing etc?

Emphatically, yes. Considering the latter is not an artist at all.

Re:Grok Outage by ivan_gammel on Thursday September 03, 2026 @03:01PM (#49554992)
Well, that‘s your subjective opinion. In 1860s people like you rejected impressionism.

Meanwhile:

https://www.art-magazine.ai/program

note some nice venues in the list.

Re:Grok Outage by satvikpendem on Friday September 04, 2026 @12:44PM (#49567019)
By that logic collages and photography aren't art. Composition of human ideas regardless of the tool or medium is itself art.
Re:Grok Outage by Octoth0rpe on Friday September 04, 2026 @04:47PM (#49570036)
Please review the above comments. I have not made a single statement that leads to exluding either of those. My comments did not seek to define art, or the artistic process, only to exclude a specific category of media.
Re:Grok Outage by sergiotapia on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:41AM (#49551868)
I like grok 4.6 more than any anthropic or claude model. I use it in cursor for work, and grok cli for normal os operations/installations/troubleshooting. I also use grok on my phone for normal questions in the supermarket etc.
Re:Grok Outage by ravenstine on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:50AM (#49552019)
I've yet to organically run into anyone who regularly uses Grok for coding. I'm sure they're out there, but what I hear with my own ears tells me that Grok is a relatively small slice of the market.

In my sphere of colleagues, it seems like at least 90% are using Claude exclusively and the remaining 10% are using some amount of Codex. Granted, my work only pays for Claude, but even so, nobody is talking favorably about Grok or begging our work to pay for it.

In my private life, the only people I know using Grok for non-work items are, frankly, conservatives who took the Elon pill. They see it as more truthful than ChatGPT. But they're pretty much using it for answers and not to produce anything.

Re:Grok Outage by EduardoBautista on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:32PM (#49552778)
That’s mostly because Grok only became good enough to be worth using about a couple of months ago when Grok 4.5 was released.

I feel confident enough that I can plan with fable or GPT5.6 and then hand it off to Grok to implement for certain complex tasks. If it’s a simple task, I can go straight to Grok.

I like mixing and matching to take advantage of these LLM subsidies and also trying to figure out each of its strengths.

Re:Grok Outage by satvikpendem on Friday September 04, 2026 @12:45PM (#49567033)
All Cursor users as they have very high usage limits for their first party models ie Grok and Composer, even higher than Codex, much less Claude Code.
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Re:Grok Outage by mlindner on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:18PM (#49554280)
There's no evidence that he is a white supremacist.
Re:Grok Outage by mlindner on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:47PM (#49556711)
Complaining about anti-white discrimination is not being a white supremacist. White supremacy is about thinking white people are superior to other races.
Re:Grok Outage by aftbit on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:46PM (#49554750)
Claude and Codex were down too. A 3 month old github issue that was the top result for the error that Codex threw (a 404 of all things) briefly became a live chat for bored and annoyed AI users.

https://github.com/openai/codex/issues/28756

Re:Grok Outage by infogulch on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:56PM (#49556845)
Posted by @SpaceXAI 1h ago: https://x.com/SpaceXAI/status/2095597264043717014

> We are sorry for the issues you may have experienced with Grok following an outage at our Memphis compute center this morning. We’d also like to apologize to our impacted compute partners.

> All systems have now been restored and are functioning nominally.

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It's interesting to see how reliant the other AI companies are on SpaceXAI for compute.

Apparently a major bottleneck for building out datacenters is turbine blades for power plants, so SpaceX is building a foundry to alleviate supply constraints?! (Also useful for rocket engines.) Holy vertical integration, batman.

Re:Grok Outage by binary132 on Friday September 04, 2026 @10:11AM (#49564932)
In the future (ha ha ha) when everyone has become totally LLM dependent a service outage will cause all of them to stop walking and talking and otherwise functioning and their heads will simply droop down while they stand or sit silently in place.
Re:Grok Outage by whirlwin on Friday September 11, 2026 @01:37PM (#49662235)