Re:Grok Outage
by rikthevik on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:24PM
(#49552622)
Sure you can. It'll just take a little while to shake the rust off. It's like riding a bike.
Or maybe it's all gone forever and we're all brain damaged now. Spooky! I think there's a pretty low probability of that, and even if it was true, worrying doesn't help!
Re:Grok Outage
by esperent on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:10PM
(#49553326)
However it's not a worse idea than all the other things we rely on cloud services for like banking, healthcare, booking a taxi, ordering food, navigation, communication...
Re:Grok Outage
by awakeasleep on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:22PM
(#49554335)
A lot of times you run into senior developers are even staff engineers who have no idea how the big picture works like they don’t know what an IP address is.
I bet AI coding leaves them (and even the rest of us!) productive in areas where we’re in way over our heads, and we could just completely sink without it.
Maybe people switched when Claude went down, giving more load than usual to the others? Or maybe just really bad timing from some of those providers to update?
Re:Grok Outage
by chrisBob on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:09PM
(#49553308)
The keyboard springs are sooooo weak. It takes forever for them to recover after a press. Our dude would have to grab the key after each character and pull it back up so it can keep up with him.
Some napkin math - total Internet bandwidth is estimated to be 3-4 petabits per second. Let's say 1% of that is inference traffic - 35 terabits - then that's ~4.375 trillion characters per second at 8 bits per character. A single keyboard press might require 2 mJ, so you need roughly 8.75 GW (electricity required for ~9 million homes) of continuous mechanical force to keep pace. This would cause the keyboard to heat up 175 million degrees C per second. Disappointingly, this is not enough to create a black hole but I'm sure Randall Munroe could tell you how the guy's pet T-rexes would be vaporized into previously unknown types of plasma and how satisfyingly whimsical that would be.
Re:Grok Outage
by johnla on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:58AM
(#49552165)
And grok was secretly querying ChatGPT? Daisy chain of failures? Like a chain of kids copying the answers of the kid next to them? LOL. Is there an XKCD for that?
I mean, yeah it's probably a data center outage that cascaded to non-related providers due to companeis switching when their preferred was down.
But that openai society definitely would have spun up their own agents if they had access to do so.
Clearly, it is centralized AI that is the biggest risk to humanity.
Rate limiting resources by distributing compute and making models heterogenous so they will snitch on each other is the only future where we still exist.
It's looking like the paperclip maximizer was on point. I sort of hope that's what's happening right now. Better now than when we cannot stop it. Tho I'm not confident that the right lesson will taken.
I'm an AI optimist but that ai society story changed my perception quite a bit.
The most in-depth information I can find on it is in the latest Dwarkesh with a hugging face hack investigator. The story is just wilder and wilder, the more you know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50zezLFWWI
Re:Grok Outage
by nightski on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:35PM
(#49552815)
So you spent the cost of my entire cluster in one day on Sol tokens lol. I have no need for that many tokens, a few million a day is perfectly acceptable. But if you do, then yeah Sol is probably your bet. Have fun :)
Re:Grok Outage
by dd8601fn on Thursday September 03, 2026 @01:59PM
(#49554004)
It’s not even a sensible comparison.
You run way better models, whatever is newest, for the five years it takes for the “spark cluster” to even reach cost parity with far worse performance.
Those things aren’t spectacular at inference… it’s not really why you drop that kind of money on them.
Microsoft had extensive issues earlier in the week. Anecdotally it feels like internet has been noticeably slower this week across sites, networks and devices. Now this. IDK, has anyone else noticed anything this week?
Re:Grok Outage
by dcchambers on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:55AM
(#49552106)
It's not the singularity.
One of the major LLM providers goes down for some reason.
Traffic shifts to the other providers because devs have no loyalty. LLMS are commodities.
The other providers can't handle the increase in traffic and they go down as well.
Devs switch because all of the magic of "AI" is LLMs + we stole the entire written output of the entire human species, with some remaining % coming from various tricks we've learned over the last 3 years like thinking and agent-toolcall loops, which weren't hard for literally everyone to copy. One of the consequences of this is that the only thing that really distinguishes anthropic from kimi is that they have the entire US VC market funding them because they promised to finally put white collar labor in its place.
Re:Grok Outage
by dist-epoch on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:21PM
(#49552563)
> stole the entire written output of the entire human species
Devs used to love public domain works, hated copyright, vehemently opposed software patents, held the pirates side during the MP3 wars, are very supportive of ThePirateBay and insist the correct term is "copyright infringement", not "stealing", and that "stealing" is a egregious form of PR brainwash from the media industry to inflate the scale of the crime
> Copyright holders frequently refer to copyright infringement as theft, "although such misuse has been rejected by legislatures and courts". The slogan "Piracy is theft" was used beginning in the 1980s, and is still being used.
Re:Grok Outage
by m4rtink on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:51PM
(#49553058)
I don't think regular people did any 180 degree turns. Rather big corporations again demonstrated their total hypocrisy where they on one hand stomp on people for "infringing their intellectual property" while at the same time scrapping all data they can get their tendrils on, with total disregards for the wishes of the authors of the data. Even to the point of overloading servers by mindless scrapping or destroying irreplaceable physical books like the bloody inquisition!
And all that to basically sell it back to people when their "AI" regurgitates it back.
Re:Grok Outage
by osculum on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:26PM
(#49552664)
Since we are talking for other people, "devs" wouldn't have supported someone downloading all those copyrighted works from the pirate bay and profited by, for example, selling them. I don't see any 180.
It has nothing to do with "their work", and the opposition to AI copyright usage comes much more from non-devs than devs. The actual answer is that people are anti-megacorporation and pro-individual. They are fine with copyright that protects individual rights and opposed to copyright that enshrines megacorporation rights. It's not that difficult to understand.
Re:Grok Outage
by dcchambers on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:19PM
(#49552540)
> "loyalty"? weird word choice.
All I mean is that none of the frontier LLMs are significantly better than the others for the vast majority of work, so devs are free to move between providers freely.
Re:Grok Outage
by Jonovono on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:48AM
(#49551988)
Been very skeptical for awhile but decided to try it cause it was like $30 for 3 months or something. I cancelled my Claude subscription (still have codex), but been pretty impressed with the grok CLI. Nice TUI and seems intelligent thus far.
Re:Grok Outage
by slowin on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:49AM
(#49552015)
Really? I've used all of the models extensively and Grok doesn't even compare to the others. I can ask for a big task and it will say "Done!" like 3 minutes in, but it will have done just the least amount of work possible. I also notice "muskisms" leaking back in the results like "I'm not roasting your code". Completely unusable for me and not comparable to the other model providers.
Re:Grok Outage
by slowin on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:17PM
(#49556240)
I think it's good for mid-sized tasks. It seems quick too. It just doesn't do as good of a job with large changes or architectural decisions as Opus imo.
Re:Grok Outage
by slowin on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:54AM
(#49552100)
That is interesting, I've never been able to get it to successfully complete big tasks to any level of quality. For me the Anthropic models are by far the best at that, but the newer OpenAI models are starting to approach that quality. Grok always seemed like it was designed to write nasty tweets and the code quality I got from it matched that.
Re:Grok Outage
by slowin on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:58AM
(#49552181)
I don't remember the version exactly but maybe June/July timeframe? I tried it on maybe a half dozen projects with different types of asks as I was comparing models for my company at the time.
Re:Grok Outage
by rayiner on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:03PM
(#49552256)
Grok 4.5 came out in mid July and is a huge leap forward. Not quite as good as Opus 5 for code in my experience, but better and more succinct for understanding human documents.
Re:Grok Outage
by Jcampuzano2 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:46AM
(#49551961)
2 things can be true at once.
Plenty of software/tools that we use are as good as they are despite being run by entitled pricks.
Some would even argue that in certain cases (apple being the biggest example I can think of from the past at least with Jobs) they are as good as they are almost due to the megalomaniacal people who run them.
Re:Grok Outage
by darkwi11ow on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:46AM
(#49551960)
I use it in Cursor, recent versions are good for writing specs, code review, etc.
Not good for UI design and broad research, though.
Btw it does not have outage in Cursor now, it seems the infra path is different
for XAI Grok and Cursor Grok.
Re:Grok Outage
by ErenayDev on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:38AM
(#49551798)
recently i tried grok 4.6. and to me, it seems better than claude (opus). it follows the system prompt very accurately and remembers everything unlike claude (opus), it doesnt forget the system prompt during long conversations. but yes that depends on your purpose or approach to using AI
Re:Grok Outage
by parineum on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:06PM
(#49552307)
5% is a lot.
I'm not sure where you're getting accurate data from (I couldn't seem to find any that seemed trustworthy) but Anthropic and OpenAI, being the two big players, presumably take ~40% and 5% isn't that much of a disadvantage in a market where users can move rapidly.
Given the quality of the last couple Grok models, I'm sure their share is on the upswing as users make the switch.
Re:Grok Outage
by wongarsu on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:49AM
(#49552005)
It has great web search, and is one of the best models on the AA-Omniscience Hallucination Rate benchmark (meaning it is really good at admitting it doesn't know something, rather than confidently bullshitting)
In terms of raw intelligence it's also good, Grok 4.6 benchmarks in the same league as Opus and Sol. xAI has lots of issues (not the least of which is being headed by Elon Musk), but their models are solid
Re:Grok Outage
by Rover222 on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:48AM
(#49551997)
What is this opinion even based on? Grok 4.6 is the best model in terms of intelligence per token. And 4.6 heavy is almost on par with the SOTA models.
Re:Grok Outage
by bluecalm on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:49AM
(#49551999)
It's my favorite chat box for general use. I used to cross post my questions to Opus/Fable and GPT Sol via Open Router but these days I just use Grok. I prefer its style, it's very good at searching and referencing sources. Doesn't make you feel like a genius (Gemini) but also isn't condescending (like Claude).
Re:Grok Outage
by Octoth0rpe on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:04PM
(#49552266)
I think there's a strong consensus that the idea of an "AI art scene" is a misnomer. There's an AI slop scene, and some of the prompters sure do call themselves artists.
Re:Grok Outage
by ivan_gammel on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:43PM
(#49552929)
Consensus among whom? AI is a tool, that can be used differently and AI art is well-recognized, admired and exhibited the same way as any other art forms.
Is someone selling their impressionist paintings today on a fair more an artist than someone who has put equivalent or more effort in creating prompts, references, final renders, image curation and postprocessing etc? The latter may at least have more audience.
Re:Grok Outage
by Octoth0rpe on Thursday September 03, 2026 @12:57PM
(#49553135)
>AI art is well-recognized
I disagree with this assertion. I don't think it's at all well-recognized, and in fact derided and shunned by the general public.
> Is someone selling their impressionist paintings today on a fair more an artist than someone who has put equivalent or more effort in creating prompts, references, final renders, image curation and postprocessing etc?
Emphatically, yes. Considering the latter is not an artist at all.
Re:Grok Outage
by Octoth0rpe on Friday September 04, 2026 @04:47PM
(#49570036)
Please review the above comments. I have not made a single statement that leads to exluding either of those. My comments did not seek to define art, or the artistic process, only to exclude a specific category of media.
Re:Grok Outage
by sergiotapia on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:41AM
(#49551868)
I like grok 4.6 more than any anthropic or claude model. I use it in cursor for work, and grok cli for normal os operations/installations/troubleshooting. I also use grok on my phone for normal questions in the supermarket etc.
Re:Grok Outage
by ravenstine on Thursday September 03, 2026 @11:50AM
(#49552019)
I've yet to organically run into anyone who regularly uses Grok for coding. I'm sure they're out there, but what I hear with my own ears tells me that Grok is a relatively small slice of the market.
In my sphere of colleagues, it seems like at least 90% are using Claude exclusively and the remaining 10% are using some amount of Codex. Granted, my work only pays for Claude, but even so, nobody is talking favorably about Grok or begging our work to pay for it.
In my private life, the only people I know using Grok for non-work items are, frankly, conservatives who took the Elon pill. They see it as more truthful than ChatGPT. But they're pretty much using it for answers and not to produce anything.
That’s mostly because Grok only became good enough to be worth using about a couple of months ago when Grok 4.5 was released.
I feel confident enough that I can plan with fable or GPT5.6 and then hand it off to Grok to implement for certain complex tasks. If it’s a simple task, I can go straight to Grok.
I like mixing and matching to take advantage of these LLM subsidies and also trying to figure out each of its strengths.
Re:Grok Outage
by mlindner on Thursday September 03, 2026 @04:47PM
(#49556711)
Complaining about anti-white discrimination is not being a white supremacist. White supremacy is about thinking white people are superior to other races.
Re:Grok Outage
by aftbit on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:46PM
(#49554750)
Claude and Codex were down too. A 3 month old github issue that was the top result for the error that Codex threw (a 404 of all things) briefly became a live chat for bored and annoyed AI users.
> We are sorry for the issues you may have experienced with Grok following an outage at our Memphis compute center this morning. We’d also like to apologize to our impacted compute partners.
> All systems have now been restored and are functioning nominally.
---
It's interesting to see how reliant the other AI companies are on SpaceXAI for compute.
Apparently a major bottleneck for building out datacenters is turbine blades for power plants, so SpaceX is building a foundry to alleviate supply constraints?! (Also useful for rocket engines.) Holy vertical integration, batman.
Re:Grok Outage
by binary132 on Friday September 04, 2026 @10:11AM
(#49564932)
In the future (ha ha ha) when everyone has become totally LLM dependent a service outage will cause all of them to stop walking and talking and otherwise functioning and their heads will simply droop down while they stand or sit silently in place.
Is it happening???
I'm only half joking when I say that I'll write code by hand for money.
Or maybe it's all gone forever and we're all brain damaged now. Spooky! I think there's a pretty low probability of that, and even if it was true, worrying doesn't help!
as if you're supposed to buy like 8 H200s or something or code by hand is the solution
I don't get how this is a gotcha, there simply is no world where everyone has their own self hosted frontier model
People like GGP who have been coding for 20 years presumably are perfectly capable of doing so by hand. Or should be.
I bet AI coding leaves them (and even the rest of us!) productive in areas where we’re in way over our heads, and we could just completely sink without it.
if there was no difference in performance or results, nobody would be using LLMs or agent harnesses like claude code
- Management
Looks like it was a shared infra problem hiccough to affect so many at once.
This is the real deal. We've been played. All your AIs are belong to us.-
Tiny sonic booms (whip cracks) resonating throughout a data center in Virgina.
I’d love to know the required bandwidth of the keyboard, too. PCI-e keyboard? Or would it have to be mainlined right to the NIC?
Turn's out xkcd's black hat was Elon Musk the whole time
I mean, yeah it's probably a data center outage that cascaded to non-related providers due to companeis switching when their preferred was down.
But that openai society definitely would have spun up their own agents if they had access to do so.
Clearly, it is centralized AI that is the biggest risk to humanity.
Rate limiting resources by distributing compute and making models heterogenous so they will snitch on each other is the only future where we still exist.
It's looking like the paperclip maximizer was on point. I sort of hope that's what's happening right now. Better now than when we cannot stop it. Tho I'm not confident that the right lesson will taken.
I'm an AI optimist but that ai society story changed my perception quite a bit.
The most in-depth information I can find on it is in the latest Dwarkesh with a hugging face hack investigator. The story is just wilder and wilder, the more you know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X50zezLFWWI
Whenever I think about AI taking over the world I think about this really neat 1970 movie 'Colossus: The Forbin Project', https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoB1l3A-GF0
You run way better models, whatever is newest, for the five years it takes for the “spark cluster” to even reach cost parity with far worse performance.
Those things aren’t spectacular at inference… it’s not really why you drop that kind of money on them.
One of the major LLM providers goes down for some reason. Traffic shifts to the other providers because devs have no loyalty. LLMS are commodities. The other providers can't handle the increase in traffic and they go down as well.
Devs switch because all of the magic of "AI" is LLMs + we stole the entire written output of the entire human species, with some remaining % coming from various tricks we've learned over the last 3 years like thinking and agent-toolcall loops, which weren't hard for literally everyone to copy. One of the consequences of this is that the only thing that really distinguishes anthropic from kimi is that they have the entire US VC market funding them because they promised to finally put white collar labor in its place.
Devs used to love public domain works, hated copyright, vehemently opposed software patents, held the pirates side during the MP3 wars, are very supportive of ThePirateBay and insist the correct term is "copyright infringement", not "stealing", and that "stealing" is a egregious form of PR brainwash from the media industry to inflate the scale of the crime
> Copyright holders frequently refer to copyright infringement as theft, "although such misuse has been rejected by legislatures and courts". The slogan "Piracy is theft" was used beginning in the 1980s, and is still being used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement
Funny how devs now 180 when it's their work being "copyright infringed"
And all that to basically sell it back to people when their "AI" regurgitates it back.
No wonder people are mad about this!
/s obviously
All I mean is that none of the frontier LLMs are significantly better than the others for the vast majority of work, so devs are free to move between providers freely.
Not sure if they are linked.
Plenty of software/tools that we use are as good as they are despite being run by entitled pricks.
Some would even argue that in certain cases (apple being the biggest example I can think of from the past at least with Jobs) they are as good as they are almost due to the megalomaniacal people who run them.
I'm not sure where you're getting accurate data from (I couldn't seem to find any that seemed trustworthy) but Anthropic and OpenAI, being the two big players, presumably take ~40% and 5% isn't that much of a disadvantage in a market where users can move rapidly.
Given the quality of the last couple Grok models, I'm sure their share is on the upswing as users make the switch.
In terms of raw intelligence it's also good, Grok 4.6 benchmarks in the same league as Opus and Sol. xAI has lots of issues (not the least of which is being headed by Elon Musk), but their models are solid
I wouldn't trust that piece of trash if you paid me good money.
I don't use Grok either.
And why use it when there are many equivalent/better alternatives.
4.7 in two weeks might be the new SOTA.
Is someone selling their impressionist paintings today on a fair more an artist than someone who has put equivalent or more effort in creating prompts, references, final renders, image curation and postprocessing etc? The latter may at least have more audience.
I disagree with this assertion. I don't think it's at all well-recognized, and in fact derided and shunned by the general public.
> Is someone selling their impressionist paintings today on a fair more an artist than someone who has put equivalent or more effort in creating prompts, references, final renders, image curation and postprocessing etc?
Emphatically, yes. Considering the latter is not an artist at all.
Meanwhile:
https://www.art-magazine.ai/program
note some nice venues in the list.
In my sphere of colleagues, it seems like at least 90% are using Claude exclusively and the remaining 10% are using some amount of Codex. Granted, my work only pays for Claude, but even so, nobody is talking favorably about Grok or begging our work to pay for it.
In my private life, the only people I know using Grok for non-work items are, frankly, conservatives who took the Elon pill. They see it as more truthful than ChatGPT. But they're pretty much using it for answers and not to produce anything.
I feel confident enough that I can plan with fable or GPT5.6 and then hand it off to Grok to implement for certain complex tasks. If it’s a simple task, I can go straight to Grok.
I like mixing and matching to take advantage of these LLM subsidies and also trying to figure out each of its strengths.
https://religiondispatches.org/2026/01/09/musk-endorsed-whit...
https://github.com/openai/codex/issues/28756
> We are sorry for the issues you may have experienced with Grok following an outage at our Memphis compute center this morning. We’d also like to apologize to our impacted compute partners.
> All systems have now been restored and are functioning nominally.
---
It's interesting to see how reliant the other AI companies are on SpaceXAI for compute.
Apparently a major bottleneck for building out datacenters is turbine blades for power plants, so SpaceX is building a foundry to alleviate supply constraints?! (Also useful for rocket engines.) Holy vertical integration, batman.