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Like the S-1? Guess what’s in there…
They have been audited, it’s in the S-1.
“Private markets” is not the same thing as pre-IPO companies
I had the same thought, but why would they do this training on a model they release publicly? I assume they’d be doing that kind of RL on an internal fork only?
Why would they train the models they release with this though?
The latest models are performing amazingly. Because of this, I disagree with popular comments saying that eg. DeepSeek is good enough, AI-assisted development was where the real value was at, etc.Completely agree. I often think that those sorts of comments grow out of an understandable lack of imagination. We’ve never had tools like this, and we’ve never had tools that evolved so rapidly, so we easily can get stuck thinking that once a model is good enough to do today’s tasks, that’s really all you need. But the next generation of models often completely obviates the need for those tasks entirely. The software engineers of 2031 won’t be doing tasks anything like the software engineers of today, just like we aren’t doing things like we did in 2021.
(Yes, yes, I know some of you still hand write all your code and think LLMs are today’s crypto bullshit and this is all going to blow over. Not talking to you.)
Bingo. There’s a certain type who confuses cynicism with intelligence, probably because they fear nothing so much as appearing naive or gullible.
I understand what you're saying, this is a protest, so by definition it's performative.
But I suspect whoever is behind this doesn't want it to be just performative. They hope that companies will actually switch to these drop-in OSS replacements, otherwise what exactly is the point? The website? Mission accomplished I guess.
For starters, because an average of 493 companies of all types and cultures tells you very little about whether AI is having an impact. For all we know, half these companies have implemented AI and are growing like crazy, and the half that haven't are losing revenue at a rapid clip, but it all averages out to zero.
That sounds pretty good to me. Who is that scenario bad for, other than the people trying to exploit the 1000 bugs?
If the performance is the point, then that's exactly what makes it performative. I doubt the people behind OccupySaaS agree that the performance here is the point, ie that they're doing this just to do it and expect zero companies to switch to their software.
Seriously, they picked two of the dumbest pieces of software to start with. Maybe that's where the folks behind this got laid off from?
It needs no protection from me, I have no problem with people engaging in whatever hobby they wish.
However, if you want me to pay for it, and it expressly offers zero practical benefit to me or society at large, then that's a no from me dawg.
To all my competitors: this guy gets it, 100%, definitely follow his advice!
I’m not going to eliminate every single third party dependency in my system, but I’m on my way to eliminating 90%, maybe more.
For me it’s less about bugs and more about supply chain security risk. And with AI and only building what I need from a dep, exactly how I need it, the cost of doing this is very low.
I’ll take that over “hmm, the average revenue per employee of these 493 massive companies is flat, so AI doesn’t add value”
Hold on, you’re claiming that software companies don’t have economies of scale? Is that right?
It sounds like you’re also saying that creating more software can’t result in more revenue?
We work in very different software industries.
It’s interesting to me that you don’t understand how 90% of the things you listed can either benefit from automation or be made irrelevant because of automation.
The firms of 2031 won’t be doing business like the firms of 2021 but just using AI for coding or in a few places to accelerate the same workflows.
If rich people want to use their money to fund math with the goal of NOT funding math with any known useful or practical purpose, that sounds like a hobby to me.
Sorry, why would it need to read our minds exactly?
To be fair, he’s had a bunch of guest posts on his blog that didn’t seem as reasonable to me (and some people seemed to not realize they were guest posts).
Edit: lol, this article is itself a guest post. My bad for not reading it first! But it does serve as an excellent demonstration of my point, since it seems like neither of us realized we weren’t talking about his words.
Sorry friend, this is just blatantly false in late 2026. 92% of software engineers use AI coding tools every day. The list of luminaries in our field now coding with AI is much longer than the list who are avoiding it.
The flip side is that only a third of devs trust the AI code, which is wise depending on what that means exactly, but that’s a different claim than the idea that if you care, you don’t use LLMs to code, and that it’s wildly controversial in our field to code with AI. It was, like two years ago. It’s not anymore. Sorry.
And I have no idea where to start on the idea that it’s never reasonable to trade caution for speed. I can only conclude you’ve only ever been one of those employees who doesn’t understand your actual job: to deliver value to the business so it can make money. Your job isn’t to be careful and build a beautiful elegant system so it can exist. You’re there to solve a problem in a timeframe where the ROI of paying you is positive. If you exercise endless caution and never ship anything, you will have thus failed at the actual job.
Putting aside the comment on slack this guy made, because I haven’t seen the full context, have you read the internal memo on AI the Proton CEO put out? It was surprisingly reasonable to me, which made it kinda funny that 404 was breathlessly sharing it as some kind of gotcha. Made me really distrust the rest of their reporting on this.
But maybe that’s just my own AI psychosis talking…
Hey little tip from a native English speaker, and the dictionary:
Violence: the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy.
Hope that helps!
lol, this couldn’t be more false and reductive.
I guess the mathematicians are all freaking out over nothing, since AI can’t do math. Weird how it’s been solving these problems that have stumped humans for decades or more…just coincidence I guess.
I’m also quite sure that when AI is doing someone’s job by writing code to do it, they’ll be comforted that it’s not really doing it, it’s just creating and using tools from scratch to do it.
The desperate grasping for any kind of position to hang onto that AI isn’t already more capable than most experts in many fields is…sad to watch.
I got laid off in Mar 2025 from a public tech company, started a SaaS, and it’s almost at $500k in ARR. I never could have built this without AI. And I had a child in there too, which seriously slowed me down, so I feel like I should be a double what I am.
The world is full of opportunity.
Tell that to the mathematicians, translators, paralegals, financial analysts, customer support reps, etc, etc.
I have experienced directly what the evolution of cloud based software, and now AI based tooling, has done to team sizes on delivery projects.Why would we care about team size?
Doesn't the world have many more software engineers today than at the start of the evolution of cloud based software?
We've been hearing this since DeepSeek was released in Jan 2025, and in that time, Anthropic's revenue has grown 100x. And they're still growing like crazy.
So...why hasn't that "essentially free" competition taken them down yet?