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Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by pwthornton on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:38PM (#50477000)
Nadella stripped mined the company for AI jank, and everything has been falling apart. Github has been unreliable a lot lately. Xbox is basically imploding. A lot of Azure, Entra, Intune, etc. is shockingly janky, and there is clearly very little investment in it.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by llama052 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:55PM (#50477100)
I’d imagine they are going to get a massive drain of whatever talent is left from their company wide severance as well.

We use Azure at work and it’s wild how much stuff is just manual labor behind the scenes on their platform.

Seems like it’s always on fire somewhere, ripe for burnout and MBOs aren’t aligned with reality from what I hear.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by rsalus on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:02PM (#50477607)
There are huge swaths of azure engineering teams that deploy things entirely manually via azure portal. Insane.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by beoberha on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:46PM (#50477989)
Maybe years ago but definitely not today. But nice FUD
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Phileosopher on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:35AM (#50478792)
How much of it is deployed with nondeterministic tooling, though?

I remember their customer-side push for semantically merging Office and some other suites into something-or-other like 365 or Copilot, creating enormous confusion. I have difficulty believing MSFT distinguishes between handmade and machine-learning tooling in that type of environment.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by zombot on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:00AM (#50478945)
I suspect there's also a good amount of LLMs/Agents in the mix. They have been rechristened to Microslop for a reason.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by atom058 on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:15AM (#50485668)
There is nothing micro about the amount of slop. MacroSlop.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by roncesvalles on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:55AM (#50481676)
Even as recently as 2022 (when I used to work there), infra-as-code use at Microsoft was still very nascent and non-standard. Infra at Microsoft was mostly "ClickOps", with a ton of tribal undocumented knowledge about the right order to do things, changing the defaults, and things like that.

The amount of times we've had to reach out to an experienced person who had transferred to another team/org about processes in our team was ridiculous.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by senderista on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:04PM (#50477620)
> We use Azure at work and it’s wild how much stuff is just manual labor behind the scenes on their platform.

AWS is no different. Everything is on fire all the time, but customers usually don't notice.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by mrdootdoot on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:32PM (#50477870)
That means AWS is doing it right, though
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by encrypted_bird on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:54PM (#50478057)
Or just not as badly.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by cowlevel on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:00AM (#50480406)
at something AWS scale something is always on fire, they probably measure disk head crashes per second, and they're supposed to insulate it from their clients with layers of redundancy. If those layers are working, they're doing it okay.

Above those layers is a ton of jank, e.g. Elastic Beanstalk. But my understanding is the fundamentals on AWS - compute, storage, networking - are pretty much rock-solid.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by encrypted_bird on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:09AM (#50480495)
Fair.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by yolovoe on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:49PM (#50478482)
Can you clarify what you mean? Do you work there, or have you had negative experiences as a customer?

Disclosure: I work at AWS, at the core EC2 dataplane, no less. We monitor our production environment very aggressively with very tight SLAs, and our technical leadership is competent as well.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by globular-toast on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:25AM (#50480641)
The petrol in a four stroke internal combustion engine is on fire all the time too. The important part is nobody notices.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by stogot on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:48PM (#50477999)
What is MBO?
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by isomorphic on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:05PM (#50478146)
Management by Objectives?

(Although I like the idea of Management BuyOut, too.)

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by atraac on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:02AM (#50481035)
I read opinions like those but then I worked with Azure at previous jobs a lot and never had any really big issues. On the other side, I just tried using AWS for a small Saas of mine and after setting up SES, I got a shady email, from non-defult support amazon domain that I need to send them scans of my personal documents. Link in that email was blocked by uBlock Origin, domain was not the same as other emails, not a single notification in AWS Support Console anywhere so I ignored it as phishing. Got suspended two weeks later, not a single human in sight within 48 hours of me making a ticket, I just gave up and moved emails to Cloudflare. If I had actual real clients at that phase I'd be pretty pissed. I genuinely don't know how people blindly trust AWS with everything these days, it's 2026 and there's still not even a hard billing limit built into AWS.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by gunsle on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:48AM (#50486150)
I will never understand people crying about MS and Azure when AWS and GCP support are 10x worse. At least Microsoft usually has decent docs and support.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by llama052 on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:50PM (#50491248)
Hardly, Microsofts docs will actively lie to you on functionality and features. Even pointing claude at them will run opus around in circles realizing it's not concrete at all.

If the docs are correct I'm sure they'll depreciate the offering and rename it to something else and leave you on an island either way.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by sov on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:33PM (#50486802)
> I worked with Azure at previous jobs a lot and never had any really big issues

to what extent, though? over the course of my working with azure, ive been disappointed constantly, by just about every service i've used. things that should work a particular way don't, and when you try to investigate you end up in a maze of out-of-date and/or totally wrong documentation. i've started a project before, followed their precise "quick start!" guide to the letter, and find it totally non-functional and wrong.

things that DO work end getting updated (often due to financial incentives) and break, or shuddered entirely. some values that you might want to change for certain services are hard-coded (which, to their credit, you can verify from their public github repos) for ostensibly no reason. a lot of their documentation is internal only, and the public facing stuff feels perennially out-of-season.

(opinion) i feel like fundamentally microsoft has embraced ai development so wholly because they've not been able to describe their services in documentation very well, and thus rely heavily on the ai's ability to digest what scraps of truth remain and the various source code to be effective at delivering output

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by 12_throw_away on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:16PM (#50477230)
I don't know exactly what's going on with today's outage.

But this is certainly exactly what I'd expect after indiscriminately laying off half your workers, then immediately offering a buyout, to make sure any experienced people left can find the door.

If this incident, or the difficulty they're having with remediation, are somehow not caused by any of that, then it's at least a preview of what things are going to be like.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by soci on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:18AM (#50479565)
Microsoft has not layed off half of its workers: 2021-2026: +23% employees 2024-2026: -2% employees

What changed is the productivity per employee: 2021-2026: +60% 2024-2026: +38%

To be honest, I also assumed your take on this at first. But after a bit of research I found quite a different reality!

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by quii on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:58AM (#50482259)
I'm sure "productivity per employee" is definitely not a daft vanity metric
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by awesomegoat_com on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:46AM (#50485223)
In all fairness, Microsoft really did layed off low double digit % of workforce since 2022.

The total populace did not change, because it was replaced by new "talent".

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by soci on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:20AM (#50485740)
You are right, thank you. I suspect they would have layed off people in certain areas to milk the cow, while invested in hiring talent in areas of growth. Still no evident correlation between layoffs and the current blackout incident mostly affecting the Cloud business.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by AIorNot on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:23PM (#50477286)
So a few years ago Nadella was a God among CEOs capturing OpenAI at the right time etc..but yeah laying off thousands of tenured folks surely is great strategy, god I hate the tech industry.

Btw does everyone see how insanely crappy Windows 11 is compared to MacOS

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by jwilcoxson on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:31PM (#50477354)
Yup.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by fractal618 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:55PM (#50477535)
I made the switch to Linux Mint and it’s wonderful and almost triples my battery life. I’m also in the process of switching to a phone with graphene os which runs like butter and feels so much more secure, safe and private.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by tapland on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:13PM (#50477703)
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Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by cowlevel on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:03AM (#50480444)
and that's crazy because traditionally Linux would drain your battery faster because it was lacking all the power optimisations. It still is, but windows must've gotten so bloated it's worse now.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by elboru on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:32PM (#50477874)
It's been three months since I switched to Arch. I've had a couple of hiccups that I couldn't resolve with an agent, or that I simply didn't want to spend too much time troubleshooting. Other than that, performance has been absolutely amazing. My terminal and browser open in milliseconds, not seconds. Even the heavy system I work on builds and loads in seconds instead of minutes. If I don't like a particular configuration, I can simply ask my agent to change it. Linux is GREAT in the agent era.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by thirtygeo on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:53AM (#50478902)
Loving Mint as well! Just switched a second PC over from win 11
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by pndy on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:57AM (#50480375)
I tried few distros including Mint but in the end CachyOS was one that works for me best. But I still got this W11 virtual machine where I can see how the system "evolves", and it still baffles me that Microsoft has the audacity to throw message saying "Windows Update is committed to helping reduce carbon emissions" and having "Energy recommendations" that "Lower your carbon footprint" where background processes continue to drain machine resources at random intervals since W10
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by OhMeadhbh on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:20PM (#50478273)
Oh man. Do not look at the Darwin source code with remaining eye.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by somenameforme on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:36PM (#50478394)
11? Everything has been downhill since Windows 7. 'Upgrades' since then have relied almost entirely on coercion through forced obsolescence, or by outright force as with Windows 10 when your options were to upgrade now or 'ask again in 5 minutes.' And then it installs it anyhow next time you reboot. They apparently can't backport hardware/API support into Win 7, but they certainly were capable of backporting the 'telemetry' to it.

The irony is that I can finally get out of the Microsoft ecosystem thanks to Microsoft. The only thing that was keeping me there before is Visual Studio (which runs reliably only on Windows). But with the advent of LLMs and Visual Studio Code (which is cross platform), I haven't touched Visual Studio in months, and doubt I ever will again. LLMs should also ease the transition into a Linux ecosystem. RTFM? Nah ATFLLM.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by fodkodrasz on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:55AM (#50478909)
Crappy as in doesn't need third party full access to all accessibility untrusted toold for stuff like mouse scrolling the currect direction, volume control on external hdmi monitors, being able to navigate the UI using a keyboard, having the computer staying running when connected to a power source, etc?

One has to spend more on third party tools for getting MacOS to feature parity with a windows than a Win Pro license...

Linux is fine on the other hand, but you compared to a joke of an operating system.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Selector8801 on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:43AM (#50479287)
MacOS honestly feels like a toy OS for kids.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by edstarch on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:59AM (#50481001)
The nice part is that it’s just Unix with a decently stable (for a time lol) and professionally designed UI layer.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by pwthornton on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:22AM (#50484869)
People use it every day to create and build stuff. That's always been MacOS's legacy.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by gambiting on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:32AM (#50479655)
>>Btw does everyone see how insanely crappy Windows 11 is compared to MacOS

This is just an anecdote, but I have the exact opposite experience. I'm a C++ games developer working on Windows 11 every day and other than the micro frustrations with stupid UI, the system just works. I know I can rely on it day to day. But I was also given a MacBook last year for our iOS ports and I don't understand how anyone considers it a serious operating system for work - it's full of bugs to a point where I started using AI to work around some of them. I thought maybe MacOS 27 would fix some of them and sure it did - but then it introduced a whole bunch of new ones. As a developer it's probably the worst OS you could pick - if you hate windows for whatever reason go straight to Linux, at least you have actual control over your OS compared to MacOS where basic things like spotlight are broken and there's no way to fix them other than add to the thousands of complaints on apple forums.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by worik on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:10AM (#50480002)
The Rot has set in at Apple, too
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by disgruntledphd2 on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:32AM (#50480185)
> hate windows for whatever reason go straight to Linux,

Honestly, for personal machines the M series is wonderful hardware, and I have young kids so no time to tune Linux (I ran it at home for around a decade or so).

But yeah, the interface has many, many bugs.

My "favourite" (new) bug is that sometimes you can't move a window from the laptop screen to another screen. It goes away if you full screen the app, but it's bizarre to me that it made it to production.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by pwthornton on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:15AM (#50484753)
I develop enterprise SaaS apps, and MacOS just works for me, so I guess your mileage may vary.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by eddythompson80 on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:34AM (#50479673)
Nadella's AI fumble is a true generational fuck up. They had OpenAI, they had complete access to GPT models before any one, they even had the first coding assistant concept.

Then due to typical clueless management and lack of taste and complete buffoonery, they just fucked it all up. I'm not complaining because I think everyone is better off, but it's just amazing to have witnessed that even when they luck out on a bet, they manage to fuck it up. Copilot started as a coding assistant, and before it could breath they destroyed the brand by shoving the name into literally everything without thinking or taste. Ignored the coding part, because that's lame, and instead focused on half assed Windows or Office apps and integrations that no one will ever use. Once claude code dominated the scene, they realized the major fuckup and tried to catch up, but it's too little too late.

Again, not complaining really.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by codethief on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:38AM (#50480234)
> instead focused on half assed Windows or Office apps and integrations that no one will ever use.

I actually know quite a few (non-tech) people that love to use Copilot in those apps. So I'm not sure it's as big of a fuck-up as you think it is (or as I certainly used to think it is).

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by eddythompson80 on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:40AM (#50480250)
There are people who bought Cybertrucks too you know.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by cowlevel on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:04AM (#50480453)
The Cybertruck was a success if it made a profit overall. So was Copilot. The point is to make money, not to make good products.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by j16sdiz on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:45AM (#50480841)
This mindset is what makes this society so depressing
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by cowlevel on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:21AM (#50481934)
We need to rewire ourselves to think about things that are profitable and useful. People prefer something that's expensive and useful over something that's just expensive. For some reason though it's only the people who are making useless things who are making anything at all. Nobody else tapped into the Cybertruck market segment at all.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by eddythompson80 on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:07AM (#50482979)
I'm not really sure I'm understand what you're trying to say tbh. Though tangentially what even is the Cybertruck market segment to begin with?

On profitable products though; sure as a general concept, but the rate of return, opportunity cost and market competition factor into the profitability equation too. You could go waste your time building a desktop app for a chatgpt clone and make some "profit" in the same time your competitor threw similar resources at making a claude code and that makes 100x your profit. That would mean you actually lost despite the profit. The opportunity cost isn't only in building the wrong thing, but also in the human resources you allocated to the task that deprived other areas. I see no world where the 6 dozen copilots we got from Microsoft have any good ROI beyond diluting a brand and making them more of a laughing stock.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by danaris on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:49AM (#50483462)
Hell no.

We need to rewire ourselves to think about things that are beneficial to society as a whole. Not "profitable." Profit just means more money going from the many to the few. That's what's gotten us into this awful situation.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by cowlevel on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:41PM (#50486955)
What good is thinking about the most beneficial things to society if you and your faction will never have the power to implement them or even to persuade those who do have that power?
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by danaris on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:31PM (#50487734)
Well, one of the things that I'm very, very certain is beneficial to society as a whole is getting the fascists and those who think that profit should be the first, last, and only concern out of power now and forever.

So fortunately, there's not really an incompatibility there.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by pwthornton on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:18AM (#50484797)
If the Cybertruck were making good money it wouldn't be getting canceled a few years into its run on the market. No car company does that to successful products.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by pwthornton on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:10AM (#50484681)
I don't understand how basically everything has languished under Nadella. Apple doesn't sell MacOS, so it should be less incentivized to keep improving it, but it is way better than Windows and the gap keeps widening. If I didn't use MacOS, I would just use Linux.

Windows does always cater to backwards companility and making IT departments happy, so that explains some of the lagging technology and systems. I can't believe NTFS is still the default file systems. That's generations behind Apple's APFS.

The stock has popped, and that's what Wall Street cares about, but I could see a world where this chronic underinvestment and mismanagement basically implodes the entire company in the coming years.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by juujian on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:28PM (#50477338)
Hadn't heard about Xbox, what's happening?
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by OnlineTux on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:39PM (#50477408)
Massive layoffs and studio closures and mergers like Obsidian merged with Bethesda.

New Xbox to cost $1200-$1800.

Gamepass limited to 15 hours a month for Ultimate.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by djray on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:34PM (#50477899)
No, the Game Pass limitation is for _streaming_ the games. You can play and download as much as you want.

New Xbox cost is not confirmed.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by MistyMountain on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:40PM (#50477933)
Might not be confirmed but it was part of an article that MS approved of. They appear to be testing the waters.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by hereonout2 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:47PM (#50477998)
I'm not a big gamer but unlimited cloud gaming seemed too good to be true to me.

It works perfectly on a fast home connection over ethernet, mind blowing how responsive it is and load times are non existent.

But as far as I can tell most people subscribe to game pass anyway? Why buy the hardware at all when I can just cloud game in the same subscription. .

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by teamonkey on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:21AM (#50484851)
I suspect if the threat of AI cloning pans out as some say, we may see a sharp return to streaming - perhaps devs releasing on streaming platforms only - as an ultimate form of anti-piracy
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by whizzter on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:33AM (#50480719)
Series/S costs 1000 Euros and Series/X costs about 1700 right now so it'll likely be even higher unless ram prices finally crash.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by djray on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:04AM (#50482946)
At least here in the UK, that's off by a lot.

Here, Series S is £400-£430 for 512GB or £500-£520 for 1TB.

Xbox Series X is £600-£620 for digital 1TB or £50 more for the disc version. That's much more than I paid for mine a year after launch (£450 I think), but luckily still nowhere near 1700 Euros.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by EmX_3000 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:10PM (#50477670)
It'll probably be an app instead of its own thing in the future. For Pluton-enabled systems only of course.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by hbn on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:20AM (#50478683)
> Hadn't heard about Xbox

Indeed you’re seeing the consequences of their past decade+ of management

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by tame3902 on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:20AM (#50479577)
The sales have fallen off compared to the Playstation.

A quick google search turned up these global sales numbers: PS3 87.40 million, PS4 117.20 million, PS5 96.44 million. Xbox 360 85.73 million, Xbox One 57.96 million, Xbox Series X/S 35.68 million.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by whizzter on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:31AM (#50480706)
I'm usually late in getting new console generations (didn't care for paying for new generation premium), so I remember looking to buy an Series S/X a year ago and it wasn't anywhere, there was wild speculation about a new generation or those handheld things taking over.

It seems to be back in stock now, but at a cost of about 1000 Euros for a Series/S I'm not really feeling enticed even if GTA 6 is around the corner. They probably really shot themselves in the foot by not having units out a year ago and now fewer will buy due to pricing.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by ngcazz on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:59AM (#50481710)
Well, speaking for myself, paying the new console premium for my PS5 turned out to be a decent deal given used ones go for about the same at the moment...
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Cthulhu_ on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:50AM (#50480901)
Their console is no longer their primary objective though, xbox live is where it's at - tons of people did the math, why buy a console when you can get a subscription with tons of games for 3+ years for the same money instead? It's a really attractive offering for people who don't play games all that much (that is, more than 2 hours a day).

I think Sony is shooting themselves in the foot with the digital only consoles too - unless they maintain a very attractive set of exclusives at all times, people will just choose whichever digital subscription is best or cheapest for them instead of something tied to a particular console.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by zenithirl on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:33AM (#50482037)
I think they've broken the trust with exclusives and don't think they can get it back quickly, almost all of the best PS4 exclusives that I can think of ended up on PC anyway. Exclusives won't be a factor for me when weighing up a PS6
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by pwthornton on Friday November 13, 2026 @09:48AM (#50484316)
Xbox Live subs are something like half of what they projected. This is why they are closing so many studios and laying people off. Xbox Live is not bringing in the money.

They need to sell consoles to get people to become subscribers.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by teamonkey on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:19AM (#50484813)
They seemed to have backtracked on the no-console approach. In fact, their entire Xbox strategy seems to have flipped 180 in the last year.

Nothing to do with today’s outage though.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by hbn on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:07AM (#50485558)
Xbox Live is the old subscription service, it has since morphed into Xbox Game Pass which is the monthly subscription to access a bunch of games (as well as online features Xbox Live offered before)

Xbox Game Pass was an attractive offer for consumers when MS was getting people onboard and the price was so heavily subsidized that it could never have been a sustainable model. Once they tried to start bumping the price into something profitable people immediately said "okay well that's clearly not worth it, I'll just cancel."

They attempted to make it $30/month last year before backtracking. At $360/year, even factoring in the new $70 price of AAA new releases and ignoring you can wait a few months to buy them cheaper, you had to be buying 5 new release games per year at launch just to get close to breaking even with the subscription price. 6 before you save money. So...

> It's a really attractive offering for people who don't play games all that much (that is, more than 2 hours a day)

No, it's absolutely not worth it for these people. Even at the current prices they backtracked to ($280/year if you want to play new releases on day 1), if you're a person who doesn't game that much, it's cheaper to just buy a few new games per year. If you're not a frequent gamer, why would you of all people need access to a massive library of games?

I personally have a backlog of 45 games I want to play written down in a note. And those are just the ones I wrote down. Most of these games you can get for peanuts. I just played through Fallout New Vegas for my first time. It regularly goes on sale for $0.99, or $5 if you want all the DLC. I got 90 hours of playtime out of that.

The idea any casual gamers should be paying for a subscription service to a Netflix-style game library is nuts to me. These aren't movies and tv shows you'll be flying through every evening, they're big games that can take weeks to play even if you're putting in a few hours per day.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by kstrauser on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:50PM (#50477484)
OTOH, I couldn’t manage Entra without their AI chatbot. That system is a Lovecraftian stack of sadness built upon despair, of which mortals are not meant to know.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by nullwarp on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:04PM (#50477623)
This really is the honest truth, every interaction I have with the MS platform is somehow worse than an actual dumpster fire. AI is the only thing keeping the ship afloat. Then again maybe that's the point?
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by k0morebi on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:18PM (#50478256)
I have the pro Microsoft copilot subscription at work just so I can search Outlook and teams since the native search doesn't turn up things when I search exact strings that are in the messages or use filters for other things like sender or recipient. Crazy to have to use an llm just to find an email
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by thirtygeo on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:52AM (#50478897)
I'm so deeply perplexed by how bad Outlook search is
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by EvanAnderson on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:03AM (#50478973)
The "Advanced Find" in pre-2016 versions of Outlook was superb. Then it was "de-emphasized" for the crap search that followed.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by NetMageSCW on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:15PM (#50489034)
Especially when they bought a superb product just for searching Outlook (LookOut), incorporated it into Windows Search and somehow destroyed it in the process.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by ezst on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:58AM (#50482258)
Did you make the mistake of enabling the "new" (web-based) outlook? At least AFAICT, the "classic" one hasn't regressed much/at all
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by k0morebi on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:30PM (#50488536)
I used legacy relatively happily when I had a windows laptop, but recently switched to a MacBook and it either forced migration or was already the new version (don't remember). The macos outlook is a bit borked too. Beyond the typical level for outlook. Can't create or edit rules anymore that save to server. Need to go into the web version via browser.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Gaussian on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:20PM (#50477756)
Janky is part of the Fabric at Microsoft. I don’t feel like that’s new…
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by disgruntledphd2 on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:29AM (#50480159)
> Fabric

I see what you did there.

Fabric is a weird one, as it's sortof a GUI over spark, but also PowerBI and lots of weird services.

It feels like a "data plaform" for people who've never used one before and only have the vaguest idea of what it means.

That being said, Spark is pretty good and we're running a lot of workflows on it (and probably building more on top, I suspect that I'll be much angrier about it in approximately 6 months or so).

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by victor106 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:24PM (#50478307)
Entra And Azure are terrible.

Ui is clunky, they are terribly slow.

The only reason companies use Entra is it appears cheaper but eventually you pay as much as competitors. Okta is a way better IAM solution if you need one. Although it’s very pricey.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by singingfish on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:34PM (#50478382)
I am aware that the authentication subsystems have major structural problems which make finding things like exfiltration bugs in azure surprisingly common. I suspect the current incident is related. I'm hoping it's also caused by too much insufficiently supervised AI coding on poor architectural foundations, and that being caused by that will be obvious and hopefully become public. But that's just speculation on my part.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by mattoxic on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:43PM (#50478451)
My take is the reason companies use Azure is lack of imagination. Like Service Now. Just horrible software, and thems that make the decision to buy it aren't the one's who have to use it.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by syshyk on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:01AM (#50479916)
Vendor lock in is always a thing really, you don't always get choice in SaaS providers and how they auth. Could of course choose another SaaS provider but then that starts reducing the pool, assuming you have alternatives.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by disgruntledphd2 on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:24AM (#50480112)
> Vendor lock in is always a thing really

Yeah, and additionally if all your counterparties are on it, you can externalise your internal tools onto them relatively easily.

This mostly doesn't work, but it's a beautiful dream for executives.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Mudbugs on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:26AM (#50480648)
After the last couple of updates on entra, where you keep getting the "loading dots" to just pull up is insane. I still use Azure or PowerShell to do the task by the time it can "load up".
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by thewhitetulip on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:27PM (#50478330)
I am surprised no executive used Copilot to type "Bring Microsoft 365 up. Make no mistakes".. should've been a quick task with SuperIntelligence!
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by yks on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:28AM (#50478746)
You don't understand, the agents aren't fixing the outage because those human engineers didn't make the infrastructure AI first. The only possible follow-up from this is that the faulty infra needs to be completely thrown away in favor of the vibecoded replacement.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by thewhitetulip on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:42AM (#50479282)
You had me in the first half.

I agree. All the execs need to do is tell Copilot to "fix this so that it never happens again. Make no mistakes" and run it on bypass permissions. Tada!

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by freetanga on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:52AM (#50479848)
Fuck, thanks god I am retiring soon.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Rantenki on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:55AM (#50478914)
I'm sure they would love to try, but Copilot is also offline according to the status page.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by thewhitetulip on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:41AM (#50479276)
Damn it! If only their Copilot was working! Outage resolved under 300 milli seconds!

Maybe they can use azure hosted openai models? Or are they down as well?

Just was a perfect opportunity to showcase astra and fable and other models

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by hn_submit on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:28PM (#50478333)
I believe it has more to do with him force-feeding Microsoft employees on A.I. resulting in slop code and outages.

If this continues the company will see a lot of customers leaving. And they were already in a bind since Europe is finally realizing that its dependence on American tech could be used against them.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by disgruntledphd2 on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:23AM (#50480105)
> Luckily most European politicians are corrupt and can easily be bought to prevent them from ditching Azure and Windows.

They're not corrupt (in a lot of cases), mostly just ignorant. Like, they don't understand the tech, and microsoft is safe, they're already using it so handing over large swathes of their infra to them seems reasonable.

MS have wonderful sales people, and this is why they do well with governments and large enterprises.

There's also a co-ordination problem, in that all of your counterparties (like your citizens, for instance) are familiar with MS and therefore it costs a bunch locally to move, for little short-term reward.

This is actually a place where (good) regulation could derisk a lot of these changes, but you'd need a committed group of politicians who can convince the civil servants to keep at it. It'll happen, but slowly and in starts over the next 5-15 years.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by edstarch on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:38AM (#50480231)
I literally had a person from IT tell me “Firefox is open source so it’s not secure, that’s why we have to use Edge” the other day. They are beyond hopeless.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by cowlevel on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:01AM (#50480422)
And Microsoft is being smart by cultivating this worldview. Open source has no such thing. Microsoft also sells contracts to companies and open source does not. If "open source" does, it's someone like Red Hat who has to take on all the legal responsibility themselves, just like Microsoft does, and that makes the product as expensive as Microsoft's, only it's not subsidized by mass surveillance so it's even more expensive.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by dijksterhuis on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:44AM (#50483379)
[delayed]
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by hn_submit on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:41AM (#50482111)
Where does corruption start and lobbying begin? American cloud providers are hosting more than $340 billion worth of European workloads on their infrastructure, including email, videoconferencing, office documents and storage.

If they transfer this to sovereign providers it would cost Big Tech serious money. So they're quietly lobbying to slow down the speed at which European nations are moving away from them.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by disgruntledphd2 on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:17AM (#50484791)
> If they transfer this to sovereign providers it would cost Big Tech serious money. So they're quietly lobbying to slow down the speed at which European nations are moving away from them.

Yeah, this is definitely really important to them (not important enough for them to comply with the laws, but whatevs).

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by petesergeant on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:09AM (#50478619)
> A lot of Azure ... is shockingly janky

This absolutely predates AI.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by singingfish on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:50AM (#50478882)
insufficiently supervised AI on top of poorly architected sales and marketing driven decisions looks like it's a good recipe for a nice warm garbage fire
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by rapsey on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:23AM (#50479135)
In this case AI stands for Actual Indians.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Selector8801 on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:33AM (#50479208)
Support in Europe has been nearly dismantled in favor of low cost countries. I wonder how they expect it to function now they it's basically third parties withan AI slapped on top.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Towaway69 on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:37AM (#50479693)
Just shows that incompetence and stupidity still count in the age of AI.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by disqard on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:02AM (#50481042)
Be that as it may, he will be remembered for his gleeful "I want people to know that we made them dance" (at the cost of falling over, themselves).
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by roncesvalles on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:49AM (#50481599)
I think a lot of it is due to deterioration of development processes. Vibe coding has enabled unconscientious developers to thrive.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by ajdude on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:28AM (#50481987)
I essentially said this in a sibling post whose parent asked why it seems like nobody knows the codebase anymore except my post was immediately flagged.

I think this is the logical conclusion of using copilot to write your stuff for the last two years. Nobody knows what it does and more and more bugs are being solved by just pointing the AI back to it again. Combine with the fact that so many people have been laid off and replaced with copilot I'm not surprised that the few who remain aren't quite sure how to solve it

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by dclowd9901 on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:21PM (#50486636)
And yet, for some reason, we have to _prove_ this is the case, as though in the history of time, engineering something has ever proven ok as a careless endeavor.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by FrostKiwi on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:32AM (#50482598)
Yeah, Frontdoor really hit me. Especially the continued status page lies.