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Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:00AM (#35422025)
> The dollar is insanely strong right now

This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance.

Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous industries, especially semiconductors, there is a possibility that US economic dominance is about to go into hyperdrive.

That version is something the media never mentions.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by spaceman_2020 on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:32AM (#35422410)
Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now).

The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and to some extent, Germany, most of these countries don't even have an immigrant culture to make up for the shortfall.

America, meanwhile, has decent native birth rate AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by piva00 on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:47AM (#35422593)
> Outside of UK, France, and to some extent, Germany, most of these countries don't even have an immigrant culture to make up for the shortfall.

Not really true, for example: Sweden has been doing above EU average on both immigration and higher birth rates (for its development level) to account for the shortfall, it's not that clear cut in Europe as a whole.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by spaceman_2020 on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:19AM (#35423024)
Fair, but Sweden's population is just too small to make any meaningful impact on Europe as a whole.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by piva00 on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:09AM (#35423833)
But that's moving the goalposts, Europe has a bunch of countries with small populations, Sweden is 16th in population from 40+ countries. Aside from Germany, Italy, the UK, France, Spain and Poland all the other countries will hover +- ~10 million people compared to Sweden. It's smack in the median of population size in Europe.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by spaceman_2020 on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:27AM (#35424125)
In all fairness, Sweden isn't exactly doing remarkably well either. It's fertility rate is still well below replacement level. It's still in terminal decline. Just a tad slower than its peers.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by oezi on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:35PM (#35426831)
What is the difference between decline and terminal decline?
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by swedishfishes on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:11AM (#35423865)
For the curious Americans, Sweden has about the population of Michigan.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by rejectfinite on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:04AM (#35424855)
Makes us even more impressive ;)
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by swedishfishes on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:52AM (#35425898)
No doubt :P But understandably doesn’t have a huge absolute impact on overall European metrics.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by giantrobot on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:09AM (#35424978)
How many Rhode Island's is that? Or maybe more appropriately, how many Library of Congresses?
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by timeon on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:59AM (#35426047)
8.4152×10^7 football fields
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by slaw on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:32PM (#35427920)
It is 388,903.23 Statues of Liberty.

Source ChatGPT.

what is summary of height for every swede person

what is average of 181 and 167

multiply 1.74 by number of swedes

divide 18,064,000 by height of statue of liberty in meters

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by Dylan16807 on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:02PM (#35431925)
Why.

ChatGPT can't do math right. It did both the multiply and the divide wrong, which makes it even worse than usual to have that many digits on your final answer.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by slaw on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:35PM (#35432276)
Please don't shoot the messenger. American units are complicated. I tried again.

How tall are all Swedes together measured in the Statue of Liberty?

Therefore, the total height of all Swedes measured in the Statue of Liberty is approximately 0.065 meters, or 6.5 centimeters.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by Dylan16807 on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:48PM (#35432427)
If the units are the problem then use wolfram for the math rather than a basic calculator.

And I'm very confused by what that last number is.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by slaw on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:53PM (#35432487)
I don't know either. ChatGPT is a good bullshit generator. When it doesn't "know", it will create something on the fly. Wolfram is boring.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by giantrobot on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:53PM (#35429379)
American football or the more globally accepted term for football?
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alex-korr on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:01PM (#35434445)
Or the LA County
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by pjc50 on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:05AM (#35423768)
Would you like to explain the link between the absolute number of people in a country and the value of its currency vs the dollar?
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by dymk on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:14AM (#35423919)
Not absolute number, but age distribution. One needs to have confidence that the country won't be facing major economic problems due to not enough young people to support an aging population - e.g. Japan.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by 1980phipsi on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:24AM (#35424081)
GDP will tend to grow faster if your population is growing faster (in capitalist, developed economies). On a second-order (or maybe 3rd-order) basis, GDP per capita will tend to be faster if your demographics are skewed younger vs. older. Regardless, faster growth rates tend to result in higher real interest rates. Higher real interest rates attract foreign capital, which tends to cause currencies to appreciate.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by rayiner on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:21AM (#35424031)
No European country (UK excepted) has an “immigrant culture.” In recent decades, some European countries have accepted large numbers of immigrants. But as far as I can tell, they’ve even relegated to an economically disadvantaged underclass in every one of those countries. They’re not buying Apple products. For example, average income for Turks in Germany (a group that started immigrating in the 1970s) is estimated to be 2,000 euros per month: https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/193000-turks-come-back-fro.... Average income for Germans as a whole is almost 4,000 euros per month.

Meanwhile in America, median household income for Vietnamese Americans—who also started immigrating in the 1970s, as refugees—matched the national average sometime in the 1990s.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by oblio on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:41AM (#35424414)
Why are you cherry picking immigrant groups?

What are the statistics for Poles, Italians, Russian Germans? Heck, what are the statistics for Vietnamese Germans?

The US has plenty of minority and immigrant groups for which convergence is... far from happening.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by geodel on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:15AM (#35425090)
> What are the statistics for Poles, Italians, Russian Germans?

Maybe find and share, if you looking to refute the point.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by oblio on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:06PM (#35430494)
I don't have the numbers but what I can share is that Vietnamese are considered a model minority in several European countries, including some not famous for their integration policies, such as Czechia. So the fact that Vietnamese Americans are doing well is not some weird thing.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by dtheodor on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:09PM (#35426280)
He is not cherry picking, he picked the largest immigrant group, twice as large as the next one
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by rootusrootus on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:25PM (#35426633)
By what metric is Vietnamese the largest immigrant group? The largest is easily Mexico, and I don't see that Vietnam cracks the top 5, and maybe not the top 10.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by illiac786 on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:53PM (#35430308)
The largest immigrant group in Germany is Turkish people, that's what was said.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by oblio on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:47PM (#35429270)
I could also pick the biggest minority group in the US, and trust me, Turks have a much better life in Germany.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by rayiner on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:58PM (#35433594)
The largest minority group in the US is Hispanics. White Americans have a median household income 36% higher than the median household income of Hispanics. The median income of Germans is almost double the median income of Turkish Germans.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by type0 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @06:17PM (#35446574)
There are different kind of Hispanics in US and they are treated differently

Why don't Americans put all German speakers into the same group as well and call them Germanics?

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by woobar on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:18PM (#35430664)
Per capita income for Poles, Italians, Russian, and Germans is higher than median US per capita income. [1]

Household income of these four groups is also higher than median household income. [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by dragonwriter on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:23PM (#35430730)
> Per capita income for Poles, Italians, Russian, and Germans is higher than median US per capita income.

US per capita income is higher than US median personal income (that’s what happens with concentrated-at-the-top instead of normal distributions.) But you probably mean “mean” rather than “median” since that’s what your source actually provides.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by woobar on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @11:15AM (#35455621)
I am not sure you looked at my sources. Direct quotes: "The following median per capita income data..."/"The following median household income data..."

Household income is higher than per capita for all groups.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlosjobim on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:10PM (#35431333)
Turks in Germany is not "cherry picking" - they are one of the largest immigrant groups and have been immigrating to Germany for much longer than other big groups.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by rayiner on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:47PM (#35433521)
> Why are you cherry picking immigrant groups?

I picked large, visible minority immigrant groups that have been in their destination country for more than a generation.

> What are the statistics for Poles, Italians, Russian Germans?

There’s far fewer of those than Turks, and many are ethnic Germans to begin with.

> The US has plenty of minority and immigrant groups for which convergence is... far from happening

There’s only two: black people and indigenous people, neither of which are immigrant groups. Economic migrants go the US, such as Germans, Italians, and Irish, all economically assimilated decades ago. Hispanics are on the same track: https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by greatpatton on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:48AM (#35424549)
Taking Vietnamese as an example, may not be the best example. Vietnamese immigrants in France are also doing well (Vietnamese diaspora in France is the second in size behind the US).
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by t3945234 on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:38AM (#35424349)
The United States total fertility rate (1.8 as of 2022) isn't that much different than a large chunk of Europe.

Per this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d...

* France, Denmark, Sweden, Ireland: 1.8

* Iceland, Czech Republic, UK, Latvia, Netherlands, Belgium, Lithuania, Norway: 1.7

* Romania, Slovenia, Estonia, Albania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Germany, Switzerland, Austria: 1.6

Yes, there's some countries that have even lower levels (eg Italy and Greece), but that's a large chunk of Europe with a pretty similar fertility rate to the United States. I wouldn't give America a pass on any future sort of demographic discussion regarding this. Heck, China (which you list at "terminal") has a fertility rate of 1.7.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by marknutter on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:41AM (#35425673)
All of those birthrates are terminal, technically.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by oezi on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:31PM (#35426773)
That is such an odd term. As if it the birthrates could no longer change for the positive or as if it would doom countries with birthrates below 2.1 to die.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by bombcar on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:58PM (#35430368)
It’s easy to envision things that would induce people to have fewer kids, it’s harder to come up with things that would make them want to have more. These birth rates are completely new experiences for the world and we’re not quite certain what the outcome will be (as it is, there are likely subcultures that are still above replacement on average, even in the most declining societies).
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by Dylan16807 on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:47PM (#35431756)
> it’s harder to come up with things that would make them want to have more

"Ability to buy a house or similar" and "affordable daycare" are probably enough to have a huge impact. We don't need a long list of possible answers.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by phatfish on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:08PM (#35431990)
I bet these five could easily get birth rates above 2.0.

- Reasonable maternity leave allowances.

- Good affordable (or free) healthcare.

- Good affordable (or free) child care until school age.

- Free education to university graduate level.

- Affordable housing.

The super-rich have no interest in allowing this to happen, so countries where having a child is a significant cost will continue to have low fertility rates.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by lttlrck on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:22AM (#35435031)
Yet despite having none of those things the US birthrate is above most of Europe.

I don't think you're necessarily wrong BTW but it's not that simple.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by bombcar on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @10:46AM (#35440479)
All of those may help (and arguably, European birthrates would be much worse if they didn't have them) but I don't think they're alone enough to turn around the zeitgeist of the country as a whole.

The two main hurdles to increasing birthrate are:

1. Convince couples with no kids to have one. 2. Convince couples with two/three kids to have one more.

The list might help but the question is how much for each.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by oblio on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:38AM (#35424355)
> America, meanwhile, has decent native birth rate

No, it doesn't. It's about 1.8 and dropping, and most of the higher values in that group are from recent immigrants, which are also having fewer kids. Educated folks also have lower fertility rates.

The US is basically a mirror of Western Europe in this regard:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/226292/us-fertility-rate...

> AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people.

I'd argue that the biggest factors by far these days are:

1. English (very accessible due to music, movies, TV shows, etc).

2. Lots and lots of natural resources facilitating lots of businesses which aren't really feasible in say, Germany, France, Japan.

3. Large population bringing economies of scaling facilitating advanced businesses paying high salaries.

Otherwise someone who travels around the US and Western Europe, for example, will be quite surprised at the cultural convergence and immigration levels.

Most of your comment is a perception from 2-3 decades back, at least.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by graeme on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:07AM (#35424943)
>No, it doesn't. It's about 1.8 and dropping

The OECD average is 1.67. America has a relative advantage

Here's a dataset of various countries' fertility rates: https://splash-db.eu/dataset/population-indicators/

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by flerovium on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:21PM (#35432784)
Yes, but much of the difference in the average is due to recent immigrants.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by TrapLord_Rhodo on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:15PM (#35434108)
That's literally the point he made above... America has always been a nation of immigrants. This is a good thing, not something to be singled out and act like it's a negative.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by spaceman_2020 on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:14PM (#35426396)
Even at 1.8, it's higher than the rest of the developed world.

And America always has the option of simply opening the gates a little and fill up the gap with practically any immigrant group it wants.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by kevviiinn on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:27PM (#35431520)
Xenophobia and racism prevents thay
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:52PM (#35431816)
> Xenophobia and racism prevents that

Huh? My understanding is the US scores lowest of any country on objective measures of both.

Which country has less Xenophobia and racism? People throw out Canada often but I believe empirically that is false.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by zarzavat on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:28PM (#35432866)
How is xenophobia measured empirically?
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by DamnYuppie on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:04PM (#35433642)
Probably by the ethnic distribution of the immigrants. Most of US immigrant are not white so I don’t understand your argument. Maybe only Canada has more diverse immigrants than the US.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by kevviiinn on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:30PM (#35433814)
Are you really defining diversity by skin color
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by zarzavat on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:54PM (#35434837)
What is the relationship between xenophobia and the diversity of immigrants?

Counter-example: Certain Arab gulf states, extremely large and diverse immigrant populations from all of Eurasia. Yet still super xenophobic to anyone who isn’t an Arab.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by faeriechangling on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:40AM (#35436802)
Canada explicitly legalized racism so long as it’s done for equity purposes. In America the same laws would be unconstitutional and immigrants of all types coming to the country on a regular basis. This is a country where the median income of several immigrant groups outstrips that of the local population despite factors such as nepotism.

Define racism I suppose. Is racism inequality or inequity?

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by phatfish on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:58PM (#35431878)
Racism and xenaphobia of the native population has very little effect on migration if the reward for the migrants is enough.

If a "developed" country wanted to stop migration they would work to raise the living standards at the source. There is less chance of that happening than removing xenaphobic behaviour from the natives however.

Or the "developed" society becomes more brutal than the place the migrant are fleeing from, so they stay away out of fear.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by wahern on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:35PM (#35433852)
> If a "developed" country wanted to stop migration they would work to raise the living standards at the source.

Biden at least nominally adopted such as policy. See, for example, "U.S. Strategy for Addressing the Root Causes of Migration in Central America", https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Root-C...

But, AFAICT, it's mostly been a quiet public-private approach that in dollar terms isn't very substantial. See, e.g., https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...

If you look at Haiti, Venezuela, etc, it seems the limiting factor here is an unwillingness of the U.S. to leverage any political muscle, either domestically or internationally. I presume that's partly a consequence of Iraq and Afghanistan, but also probably because for some large factions, especially on the left but increasingly on the right, in American politics any form of involvement is unacceptable. It's almost like a radical ecological argument: the rest of the world is in a state of nature, and any intervention by an external agency is per se morally evil; the moral imperative is non-intervention, outcomes are irrelevant. Even those who don't hold this belief (explicitly or implicitly) at least understand the consequences: any perceived failure in intervention will be blamed on them, and nobody wants to face the ire of the religionists.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by seanmcdirmid on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:41PM (#35433886)
> It's almost like a leftist ecological argument: the rest of the world is in a state of nature, and any intervention by an external agency is per se morally evil.

The USA will get flack if it meddles and if it doesn't meddle, they really shouldn't worry about world opinion at that point. More to the point, it is impossible for America to fix the rest of the world, even if that were the moral thing to do. Welcoming some immigrants from countries having problems is probably the best we can do.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by wahern on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:46PM (#35433923)
There's a huge gap between isolationism and trying to "fix the rest of the world". But in the current political epoch nuance, pragmatism, and mercy seem to be alien concepts.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by seanmcdirmid on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:35PM (#35434232)
The USA already has a foreign aid budget, and gets involved in bits and pieces, but it’s always too much and not enough at the same time, so how can they win at that?
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by Krisando on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @06:45AM (#35437583)
> xenaphobia of the native population

People being afraid of the warrior princess is probably a good thing.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by skissane on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:58PM (#35434859)
> Even at 1.8, it's higher than the rest of the developed world.

Not true. If you look at OECD data – https://data.oecd.org/pop/fertility-rates.htm – the latest year for which the OECD has complete data is 2021, in which it records a US TFR of 1.6. The following countries all recorded higher TFRs than the US – Israel (2.9); Mexico (2.1); France, Colombia and Turkey (tied at 1.8); Costa Rica, Czechia, Denmark, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, and Sweden (all tied at 1.7). The US, at 1.6, was at the OECD Average (1.6), tied with Australia, Belgium, Chile, Estonia, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Slovenia and the UK.

I suppose you might argue 2020 was a rather abnormal year due to COVID. Well, 2019 was pre-COVID, in which the US was still only 1.7 – just a a bit above the OECD average (which was 1.6 in 2019 too). In 2019, US fertility was tied with Australia, Costa Rica, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Ireland, New Zealand, Sweden; it was beaten by France, Colombia and Iceland (all 1.8), Turkey (1.9), Mexico (2.1), and Israel (3.0).

US fertility is not an outlier at all by developed world standards. It is somewhere between average and slightly above average. And I realise some OECD members might not be considered "developed" by everyone's standards – such as Costa Rica, Colombia, Mexico or Turkey – but the US is regularly equalled or bettered by countries which generally are accepted as such, e.g. Australia, Denmark, France, Ireland, Israel, New Zealand, Sweden.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by pertymcpert on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:47PM (#35427084)
In the modern world, 1.8 is very solid. Easily can make up for that with immigration.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by bombcar on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:49PM (#35430229)
At some point you run out of places for people to immigrate from unless you just empty entire countries.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by Dylan16807 on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:27PM (#35431532)
That's not something to worry about until the global population stops (rapidly) growing.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by satvikpendem on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:49PM (#35431776)
Until the US ceases to be a desirable destination for many immigrants, which could take quite a while.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by pradn on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:05PM (#35428556)
> Lots and lots of natural resources facilitating lots of businesses which aren't really feasible in say, Germany, France, Japan.

This doesn't seem to be a big factor in the boom industries in the US: tech, finance, pharma. It does matter for construction, the biggest employer.

The US still seems like a more welcoming place than western Europe. Or at least you can take comfort in a suburban home and drive to people/institutions that are from your immigrant group.

We have an immigrant ethos that exceeds that of the UK, France, and Germany. Plus, our large number of decent universities means the masters/F1->OPT->H1B pipeline works well for many educated workers.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by oblio on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:46PM (#35429251)
https://companiesmarketcap.com/largest-companies-by-revenue/

Exxon, Chevron, Marathon, Valero, Philips 66.

5 American oil and gas companies in the worldwide top 100 by revenue. A bunch of pharma & co, also dependent on cheap oil and gas.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by oblio on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:04PM (#35430454)
> We have an immigrant ethos that exceeds that of the UK, France, and Germany.

Again with the outdated mindset. Those countries have as many immigrants or more, per capita, as the US.

> Plus, our large number of decent universities means the masters/F1->OPT->H1B pipeline works well for many educated workers.

Those work well for drawing people in, but how well do they serve second generation immigrants or minorities? Universities in Europe are cheap or free, that's a whole lot more egalitarian.

The US speaks English, is big and has a TON of money. The US basically brute forces everything, which I guess works.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by ClumsyPilot on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:11PM (#35430563)
> The US still seems like a more welcoming place than western Europe.

I personally know peolle that left US for UK because they found your immigration system unacceptable.

If you are from india, you might have to wait 10 years to get citizenship after fulfilling all requirements.

Uk immigration system itself is worse than that of France and many other countries.

It costs $10,000 to apply for visas for a family of 4. Thats just the money you pay to the government, assuming you never need a solicitor to help with the paperwork.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by midoridensha on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:15PM (#35433712)
>If you are from india, you might have to wait 10 years to get citizenship after fulfilling all requirements.

I read somewhere that the waiting line for Indian people is 180 years, not 10.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by lttlrck on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:01AM (#35434885)
That's a side effect of the system using quotas to balance opportunity so immigration isn't overwhelmed by the most populous countries.

Of course that makes it very difficult if you are from India for example, but it doesn't make the system as a whole less welcoming.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by donkeyd on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:43AM (#35424454)
> America, meanwhile, has decent native birth rate AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people.

And a society that burdens people with debt causing them to work every waking moment while avoiding costly things like health care, because they might miss a day of work or become even more indebted through the cost of said health care. People just pick up opioids so they can handle the pain and keep working two jobs.

I know hardly anyone in my country that works more than 40 hours a week. In fact, most people I know work 36 or 32. Two jobs is pretty much unheard of over here. I hear plenty of stories in the US though, about teachers working a second job somewhere else.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by Aunche on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:58AM (#35424748)
America on the internet is different from America in real life. The Americans work 34.5 hours a week. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AWHAETP
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by donkeyd on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:22AM (#35425241)
> America on the internet is different from America in real life.

Implying I don't know America in real life, never lived there, never visited and don't know actual people there. All not being true. I have zero friends in my home country who work multiple jobs. I have multiple in the US.

> The Americans work 34.5 hours a week.

In my country it's 32. So almost 8% less. Which I'd call significant if working hours is directly correlated to productivity as a country.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:54PM (#35428391)
> And a society that burdens people with debt causing them to work every waking moment while avoiding costly things like health care, because they might miss a day of work or become even more indebted through the cost of said health care. People just pick up opioids so they can handle the pain and keep working two jobs.

In the bottom 10-15% of the society there is some truth to what you wrote. However are you sure you are comparing that with the same segment in your country?

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by donkeyd on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:48AM (#35435601)
> However are you sure you are comparing that with the same segment in your country?

Yes, I come from the bottom of society in my country. I grew up surrounded by people without jobs, blue collar workers and parents that worked in factory and hospitality jobs. Luckily, my country takes care of people in these situations, provides them affordable homes and health care and income and helps them to go to school without ending up with crippling debt.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by hajile on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:47PM (#35427071)
That number was 38.7 in 2021.

And of course, gender also matters here with men working around 40.5hr/wk and women working around 36.5hr/wk.

The real question is why average hours have dropped so much in just a year or so. The most likely answer has a lot to do with underemployment.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by ryan93 on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:52AM (#35424613)
Not actually that common for teachers to work two jobs. Also most americans have healthcare and the ones who dont are often young and dont consume much of it. Not saying its good. But some europeans think we live in some kind of mad max hellscape.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by yardie on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:11AM (#35425010)
> Not actually that common for teachers to work two jobs.

Yeah, the smart ones find a better school district to work in or leave the profession entirely. None of my friends in teaching are working 2 jobs. They can find a better paying non-teaching job, easily. Our son has 8 classes and 6 teachers. The school proudly announced at the beginning of the school year they were fully staffed. Currently they are at 85% with a revolving door of educators. We're in a HCOL city and school board is going forward with plans to build housing for teachers because they simply can't recruit them any other way.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by astrange on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:28PM (#35426711)
> We're in a HCOL city and school board is going forward with plans to build housing for teachers because they simply can't recruit them any other way.

This is a good policy also found in safety-net-having countries like Finland.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by stkdump on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:13AM (#35425056)
Peter Zeihans insistance on birth rate is a bit silly. Most developed countries, including the USA are in the 1.5-1.7 range. There are outliers like France that are higher. There isn't this huge demographic difference between Europe and the US. He is selling his message to American conservatives, so I guess the one who pays the piper calls the tune. I don't think he cares about immigration much.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by spaceman_2020 on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:12PM (#35426350)
Can't disagree but the biggest target of his demographics argument is always East Asia, and the numbers there are truly dismal. S. Korea's latest numbers were 0.78. I really don't know how a population can ever recover from that
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by oezi on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:38PM (#35426905)
They easily could by actually putting in family friendly policies into place and abandoning the educational policies which turned childhood in Korea into a constant drill 24/7.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by dagmx on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:18AM (#35425146)
> A culture that’s always willing to accommodate new people

What America are you talking about? Immigration to the USA has always been hard and a very contentious topic.

The previous president was largely voted in on his anti immigrant policy (both for legal and illegal immigration). We’re still undoing his damage to the immigration system today.

Prior to that, America has had a very fraught history with immigrants and abuse.

It’s not a culture that’s willing to accommodate new people. It’s a capitalist machine that sees new people as valuable buyers and workers.

Immigrants have always been treated as a form of cheap labor to import. Whether that was the boom of Italians or Chinese or Mexicans in the past. Then they’re immediately vilified after the work is done.

I think what the culture has in difference to others is valuing the results of capitalism more than anything else.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by STM32F030R8 on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:30PM (#35429000)
The last president ran on stopping ILLEGAL immigration. There was nothing stopping the continued legal immigration process to the US.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by xiphias2 on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:50PM (#35430248)
The way to stop illegal imigration is to legalize the status of much more hard working imigrants who deserve a good life and kick out people who are not hard working / law abiding immigrants.

Currently most of immigration works by enslaving the hardest working people for years by not giving them a chance for proper health insurance, bank accounts and a way to live peacefully just because they were born on the wrong side of an imaginary line, it’s disgusting.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by buzzert on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:42PM (#35430109)
> The previous president was largely voted in on his anti immigrant policy (both for legal and illegal immigration). We’re still undoing his damage to the immigration system today.

The Trump administration's H1B reform was focused on paying immigrants more money [0]. This did not have the effect of reducing high-skilled immigration, nor was it its intention.

> It’s not a culture that’s willing to accommodate new people. It’s a capitalist machine that sees new people as valuable buyers and workers.

The US is one of the few countries that accepts immigrants not based on education/skills merit[1] (except for H1B, which is largely gamed by Silicon Valley to acquire foreign talent). This is in contrast to Canada or Australia, where the only hope you have to immigrate to those countries as a national from a country with a very high volume of immigration (e.g., India or China) is to get an advanced degree.

[0]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-announces-...

[1]: https://econofact.org/should-immigrants-be-admitted-to-the-u...

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by wkat4242 on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:31AM (#35425469)
> AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people.

Try getting a green card even as a trained European. Good luck :)

Not that I'd ever be interested in living in the US. I prefer a country with a decent social security safety net and socialized healthcare. And where people can't just run around carrying guns.

Spain is not perfect but I have way fewer things to worry about here. So I can relax and enjoy life more.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by mrkstu on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:17PM (#35426456)
And your reply neatly encapsulates why, for better or worse, the American economy is more efficient/dynamic. Those immigrating into the country know they'll have to hustle and work to survive and thrive.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by astrange on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:27PM (#35426683)
No, threatening people with death isn't a good way to get dynamism. The American middle class healthcare system, employer plans, is specifically designed to reduce dynamism by making it harder to quit your job. There's other advantages but not that one.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:42PM (#35426972)
> The American middle class healthcare system, employer plans, is specifically designed to reduce dynamism by making it harder to quit your job.

I’m confused, my understanding was that changing jobs is much much more frequent within the US middle class than elsewhere. How does that make sense if as you say quitting is so risky.

What specifically is risky about the US setup? Of course it encourages not being unemployed as healthcare when unemployed is a problem but most people just line up a new job before quitting.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by astrange on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:58PM (#35427306)
By "dynamism" I meant it makes it harder to be unemployed, as you might be if you want to start a new business/become a contractor etc. Switching jobs is OK if you already have one lined up.

Also, being married makes it safer (but you might be relying on two incomes) and Obamacare is good in some states.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:49PM (#35428280)
There is COBRA for 24 months and co-ops for contractors/sole-proprietors. It takes much more capital to start a business than people realize and a good part of that is cost of healthcare. the paystubs and W2s from employers hide how significant a part of employee compensation the benefits are.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by mrkstu on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:32PM (#35426788)
Those w/o means have Medicaid and those with minimal means have Obamacare- you're a little out of date with that specific complaint.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by astrange on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:34PM (#35426813)
That's why I said "middle class". I made the same point as you one reply over.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by astrange on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:25PM (#35426632)
It seems to be a common belief with Europeans that the US has no safety net or public healthcare at all, but of course this isn't true. It's just mainly targeted at poor or old people.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by p_j_w on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:40PM (#35430958)
I don't think most Europeans believe we have no social safety net or public health care, just that it's woefully inadequate.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:38PM (#35426912)
You are buying into a distorted image of the typical US population experience. Access to healthcare is pretty much instant and high quality for all but the very bottom of the society. 85%+ of the population can get an appointment within a day or two and if it’s urgent can access numerous urgent care clinics with almost no wait.

Best I can tell for many European countries the situation is significantly worse in terms of access.

There is a lot of strange misconceptions about US quality of life from people in other countries.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by slaw on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:23PM (#35427753)
Very bottom of society has free healthcare. For example for WA.

https://www.hca.wa.gov/free-or-low-cost-health-care

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by fshbbdssbbgdd on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:58PM (#35429465)
In some states such as Florida and Texas, having low income is not enough for an adult to qualify for Medicaid.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by illiac786 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:43AM (#35435181)
We should define what healthcare means. For example: if you have a cavity, do they simply pull the tooth or do you get a filling? It's just an example, but health care ranges from "preventing you from dying only" up to cosmetic stuff.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by wintermutestwin on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:26PM (#35428920)
> 85%+ of the population can get an appointment within a day or two

I'd love to see where you got that statistic. IME, I have to wait months for any kind of specialist. And when I finally get to see one, my insurance underpays and then I spend endless hours fighting with both the provider and the insurer. This crap happens every single time I need to see a doctor. I can't wait to retire and move to a second world country that has US trained doctors who give you their personal cell number.

Heathcare in the US has become a terrible joke.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:36PM (#35429080)
> IME, I have to wait months for any kind of specialist.

Ok sure so just realize when you retire in that 2nd world country the wait is for GPs! forget specialist.

> https://www.england.nhs.uk/gp/case-studies/routine-gp-appoin...

The average has dropped to 10 days! The US wait for equivalent of GP is like next 1-2 days, or even same day if you get triaged by the group.

Also they are seeing 30+ patients a day which even in busier US locations is at least 1/2 that rate.

It’s a myth that US healthcare is worse than other countries.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by wintermutestwin on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:15PM (#35429701)
>The US wait for equivalent of GP is like next 1-2 days

Again, I'd like to see the stats on that. I wanted to see my Dr for an annual checkup and was told it was a 2+ month wait and if I didn't want to wait I could see some random nurse practitioner.

There are 2nd world countries where it is incredibly cheap to call your doctor's cell phone and have them come to you in a day or two.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by illiac786 on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:57PM (#35430356)
I can confirm that in multiple European countries you just walk to your GP's office and wait an hour or two (worst case) if you do not have an appointment.

I waited 20 min last time I went without appointment.

Specialists is a different story, the worst being psychologists/therapists (wait time counted in years where I live).

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:02PM (#35431237)
The equivalent is urgent care clinics in the US. They are everywhere and you can be seen in 15-20 mins, covered by employer medical plan. Testing, imaging, common medicines and treatments on site.

Wait for specialists and surgeries are significantly less in the US than all other G20 countries.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by illiac786 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:34AM (#35435509)
In France, they are trying to cut back on exactly this because emergency services are completely overwhelmed with non-emergency patients.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:58PM (#35431188)
People are mixing up numbers because of different naming and conventions.

Here is an example item, wait time for knee replacement surgery, or any standard surgery. I’m fairly confident the US is lowest among all G20, by significant amounts.

Your annual checkup wait isn’t an appropriate measure, they do that as they are prioritizing care much better than in bureaucratic socialized medical care. That doctor you are calling on cell likely has much less resources than the nurse practitioner you can be seen in 15-20 mins wait almost 24/7 in every major population center in the US at urgent cares, rapid cares, and worst case ERs. Instant testing, imaging, medications on site.

I don’t think you are comparing apples to apples when people claim they would prefer medical care elsewhere, they have some incorrect assumptions about greener grass, or we are discussing the experience of very lowest income segment of the population.

I do agree that bottom 10% might be slightly better off medically in other countries than the US. That is definitely possible. But for 90% I don’t think it is even remotely competitive.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by yibg on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:03PM (#35430450)
I live in the Bay Area with good insurance. Next appointment with Stanford for a regular check up with a GP as a new patient is 2-3 months, unless I want to drive an hour away.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by ClumsyPilot on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:22PM (#35430722)
> > https://www.england.nhs.uk/gp/case-studies/routine-gp-appoin...

> The average has dropped to 10 days! The US wait for equivalent of GP is like next 1-2 days, or even same day if you get triaged by the group.

Unfortunately NHS is in terrible shape and ks performing at the level of a 2nd world country.

Czechia has canver survival 30% higher than UK does.

I lived in Czechia, we had a proton therapy center for Twenty Years. England got one just recently.

There is a story where larents in Britain had to steal their child from a hospital, to take her to czechia for Proton beam therapy. The UK doctors have declared her terminally ill, refused to let parents take her for other treatment and after parents kidnapped tbeir own child, theyl parents were declared wanted in Interpol, launching internstional manhunt.

They foung in court to get thei4 chance to treat a child, took child to czechia, went through therapy and now child is in scholl and free of cancer

If theu had trusted the NHS their child would be dead.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32013634

I also know a bloke who was struggling with backpain for 4 years and could not get it sorted in UK, he through he would become handicapped and retuned to Romania to live it out in peace. Turns out it wss really bad Vitamin D deficciency, which makes your bones soft and allows nerved to be pinched. He is living a full life now.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by makomk on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:18PM (#35431427)
Bear in mind that a bunch of Americans have been sold on public single-payer healthcare as the solution to the problems with their healthcare system based on the amount the UK spends on the NHS after all those cuts (which are more like spending not increasing at the same rate as demand). Also, one of the big cost savings is that medical staff are paid an awful lot less in the UK than the US.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by ClumsyPilot on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:20PM (#35432764)
Czechia and Romania do not, however, have US-style insurance market.

There is state provided insurance and none of the US horror stories ever happen here.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by amithanda81 on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:16PM (#35430619)
that doesnt reflect my experience in US at all. I come from India. Despite our hospitals being flooded with patients, healthcare is not inaccessible. As it is over here, its a insane system with the priorities a* backwards. Focus on patient, not on your profits.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by acchow on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @08:44PM (#35462600)
I think this may be an issue with certain provider networks (have heard horror stories about Kaiser and such).

I'm with Anthem and I've gone directly to various specialties with appointments within 1-5 days.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by laurencerowe on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:17PM (#35430637)
Be sure to check that urgent care clinic is in network first! Having a well paid job in a big US metro gives you access to excellent healthcare but the bureaucracy here is a huge pain compared to countries with universal systems.

Coming from the UK I would have picked the NHS as it was when I left 10 years ago over what I have access to here, but the Tories have really run that service into the ground in the interim.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by arbitrary_name on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:29PM (#35432211)
I'm on FAANG provided PPO and it's a two week wait to see my physician. Specialists are 3-4 months out. Not a rural area.

Worse than my experiences in nz, Australia and UK.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by wkat4242 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:02AM (#35434895)
It's not the access really. More the worry about paying for it. In the US it can cost a lot, and while your employer covers it usually, this means you're really tied to your job. Here in Spain I never have to worry about paying for it.

I'm sure the healthcare in the US is world-class considering how much it costs. But that cost is the biggest problem for me.

But really, I'm a socialist and considering that this is a swearword in the US for many people, I just don't want to ever live there. My world view is just too different. I've never even visited.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by gniv on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:24AM (#35436669)
Having moved from a dense hcol area of the US to a dense hcol area of France, my experience has been that 1) I have access to specialists with less than a week wait in both places, but 2) costs in France are much lower than US.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by DanBC on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:47AM (#35437221)
> Access to healthcare is pretty much instant and high quality for all but the very bottom of the society.

The US simultaneously under-treats poor people while over-treating rich people. This is why health outcomes in the US are so bad across a range of indicators.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by rank0 on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:59PM (#35427318)
The US spends the majority of its budget on social welfare programs.

Gun violence is a tiny fraction of death/injury here. You’re much more likely to die in a car accident.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by _fizz_buzz_ on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:45PM (#35429241)
Firearms are the leading cause of death for American children and teens - higher than motor vehicle deaths.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2201761

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by buzzert on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:34PM (#35430001)
Suicide is often included as a cause of death to intentionally distort this statistic:

> From 2019 to 2020, the relative increase in the rate of firearm-related deaths of all types (_suicide_, homicide, unintentional, and undetermined) among children and adolescents was 29.5%

If you control for this, and include rates of homicide using other means of destruction (i.e., explosives or knives), it starts to look a lot more even compared to other OECD countries (albeit still above average).

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by roundandround on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:14PM (#35430598)
I wouldn't consider that distortion. Its a significant problem that firearms are highly successful suicide on the first impulse. Children who try another means are much more likely to have a chance to contemplate if they really want to kill themselves.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by buzzert on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:00PM (#35432546)
I'm calling it a distortion, because it's often used as a dishonest portrayal of how prevalent gun violence is in the US. Usually by the media, who wants attention grabbing headlines, and don't really care how the numbers are manipulated to peddle to their readers' selection bias.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by DanBC on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:53AM (#35437259)
It's US government agencies that call death by suicide a form of violence, and that's the reason that death by suicide involving a gun is a form of gun violence.

This is despite all the weird laws in the US against collecting, analysing, and reporting statistics.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by softsound on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:08AM (#35435322)
Shouldn't that number be concerning 30% of children deaths are from guns?

Suicide or not, doesn't that seem concerning? Hmm... Some people say it's the top way children die now by gun. I remember growing up and having active shooter drills in elementary school but it's nothing like they are now. I think we are one of the few countries where children dieing by firearm has increased 46% in the last twenty years or so.

Where I grew up it wasn't rare to hear about stabbings or shooting but it does put me on edge hearing about a mall I used to go to having an active shooter etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-...

www.kff.org/private-insurance/press-release/firearms-are-the-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-in-the-united-states-but-rank-no-higher-than-fifth-in-other-industrialized-nations/amp/

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by oceanplexian on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:51AM (#35436878)
It is concerning. But not for the reasons the media makes it out to be.

Only 0.18% of all gun homicides were committed during a mass shooting. https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2022/05/debunking-every-maj.... The chances of you being killed in a shooting are less than being struck by lightning. If you don't plan on joining a gang, frequenting a bad part of Baltimore or St. Louis, or committing suicide, it becomes orders of magnitude less likely, to the point where you're no less safe in the USA than any other country.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by DanBC on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:51AM (#35437245)
So, gun violence isn't a problem but only if you ignore several signifcant forms of gun violence?
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by oceanplexian on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:29AM (#35436279)
Glad you pointed this out, because it's a perfect example of the propaganda machine in action.

Gun violence is the leading cause of death between 1 and 19 years of age. Want to know why this study chose such an odd and very specific age range? Cut it off at 18 and it wouldn't work, since it would exclude gang violence. Start it at birth and it also wouldn't work, since the statistic would include infant mortality. The "kids" being killed by guns are disadvantaged black youth in crime-ridden cities (Open the supplement - https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMc2201761/suppl_fi...). Unfortunately, that doesn't sell gun control, so the study is custom tailored to be manipulative in the way it frames the issue.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by wickedsickeune on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:24AM (#35436665)
What does it mean to "sell" gun control (I get that you mean "promote")? Can someone profit from it and how?
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by amithanda81 on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:17PM (#35430642)
hilarious ! nobody wants to help anyone else, because you never know if the other party has guns. Its nuts.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by lttlrck on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:15AM (#35434979)
Nothing like a bit of hyperbole to ground a discussion.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by tmnvix on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:46PM (#35431746)
> You’re much more likely to die in a car accident.

Maybe so, but I believe you are also more likely to die of a car accident in the US. There's no getting around the fact that amongst western nations, the US has certain aspects to its culture that make it a more dangerous place to live in many ways.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by wkat4242 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:17AM (#35434987)
You're also much more likely there to die in a car accident than here :) I don't even own a car where I live and I don't need one. In fact I wouldn't even know where to leave it in this city.

Here in Barcelona a flat rate of 20 euros a month takes care of all my travel needs on metro, bus, tram and train <3

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by t-3 on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:58PM (#35432524)
> And where people can't just run around carrying guns.

The number of non-cops I've seen openly carrying in public is... One.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by arwhatever on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @02:05AM (#35435709)
Bit of a tangent, but what issues might you mark Spain down on? I’m seriously eyeing their digital nomad visa.

Having stayed there 1-3 months at a time so far, it’s pretty hard to find fault.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by renewiltord on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:48AM (#35425790)
No. The US does not have high fertility. If the nation does not import labour or perform massive automation it will face a massive problem.

The present phenomenon where unions and local power groups can extract massive rent is coming to an end.

America will fracture unless she accelerates. San Francisco is the earliest example of that.

The old must die or make way and they are not.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by poulsbohemian on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:57PM (#35430349)
>Outside of Peter Zeihan...

Talk about a weirdly polarizing figure. He's like a clock that's right once per day. Every time his name comes up here on HN, it's a flame war. To reinforce what you state though - at least he raises some interesting topics for us to all discuss.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by ShuffleBoard on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:02PM (#35431244)
Peter Zeihan is basically always right in terms of first principles. Where there is time & opportunity for others to course-correct is where I've seen most of his predictions go awry.

A great example is the price cap -- enacted via insurers -- on Russian oil, which was a remarkably creative measure. PZ was spot-on about the precursive factors, specifically a) that insurance concerns dominate global shipping, and b) that the world was in for some serious pain if Russian oil stops abruptly.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by jay_kyburz on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:01PM (#35431219)
Declining birthrates will help us reach our emission targets. (Very Slowly)
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by andrekandre on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:29AM (#35422377)

  > there is a possibility that US economic dominance is about to go into hyperdrive.
thats a very interesting perspective considering most talk is about a "looming" downturn/recession...
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by spamizbad on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:03AM (#35423729)
I think the 2009 recession for the US, and our anemic response to it, created a huge swath of perma-bears across the political spectrum who have predicted the US economy will collapse every year since 2011.

Like a broken clock I’m sure they’ll eventually be correct.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by gorjusborg on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:27AM (#35424126)
> the 2009 recession for the US, and our anemic response to it

From dictionary.com:

anemic: a lack of power, vigor, vitality, or colorfulness

Interesting that you'd characterize the response to 2008 financial crisis as 'lack(ing) power'. The response was unprecedented in scale and scope, at least in terms of intervention from the Federal Reserve. The bail-out of the automakers was also controversial due to its size and lack of precendent.

Or, are you referring to a lack of regulatory response?

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by throw0101a on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:04AM (#35424879)
> The response was unprecedented in scale and scope, at least in terms of intervention from the Federal Reserve. The bail-out of the automakers was also controversial due to its size and lack of precendent.

And all of that was anemic compared to what was needed. From January 2009:

> I see the following scenario: a weak stimulus plan, perhaps even weaker than what we’re talking about now, is crafted to win those extra GOP votes. The plan limits the rise in unemployment, but things are still pretty bad, with the rate peaking at something like 9 percent and coming down only slowly. And then Mitch McConnell says “See, government spending doesn’t work.”

* https://archive.nytimes.com/krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0...

The Fed's actions help on the 'back end' of things in the financial sector, but not on the 'front end' of things with regards to the real economy and jobs. Obama had a long slog to get unemployment down because of the lack of stimulus.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by nicky0 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @02:33AM (#35435874)
Large in the quantity of money printed, but anaemic in the sense of it being a band-aid, maintainging ther status quo. It did nothing to address stuructural problems or course correct. It just set us up for the next crisis.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by TMWNN on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:33AM (#35422425)
>This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance.

I figured out a while ago that anyone who mentions the "petrodollar" in a geopolitical context knows knothing about geopolitics.

Bonus idiocy points if "BRICS" is mentioned in a way that implies any kind of formal collectivity, as opposed to a catchy nickname Goldman Sachs created 20 years ago for certain large emerging economies.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by ReptileMan on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:11AM (#35423864)
And it seems that all of those large emerging economies have one thing in common - they would love weaker USA.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by prottog on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:19AM (#35425156)
> anyone who mentions the "petrodollar" in a geopolitical context knows knothing about geopolitics

I'm curious about this. The petrodollar is clearly a real phenomenon and policy decision. You might say that it's the replacement for when the dollar was backed by gold; instead of being convertible into gold, it's now the currency that's de facto required to purchase oil (which is basically liquid gold), as well as being the currency of the world's foremost military that protects the trade of oil.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by jcranmer on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:08PM (#35428626)
What "petrodollar" refers to is the fact that oil producing countries (e.g., Saudi Arabia) have a vast surplus of oil revenue far in excess of their cost of production or ability to do anything internally useful with it. This means they have an extra stash of dollars that they need to do something with--and that stash of dollars is the petrodollar. It is a real phenomenon.

The problem is... it just doesn't have much relevance to geopolitics. The people who try to link it to such imagine that the US has a major foreign policy plank in upholding the use of dollars to price oil, to the point of starting wars purely to do so, despite such proponents not being able to offer a shred of evidence that any US official cared about this, or even being able to articulate what the supposed benefits the US receives from such pricing is.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by TMWNN on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:59PM (#35430382)
Beyond what jcranmer wrote, if OPEC tomorrow priced oil in renminbi or rubles, China or Russia would be pleased because it would simplify transactions for them. But that decision isn't up to China or Russia; it's up to the various OPEC member states, who all want dollars and not Chinese or Russian funny money. And why should they do otherwise, when the Chinese and Russians themselves don't want their own currency, much preferring to hold dollars?
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by justinzollars on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:10AM (#35422139)
> US economic dominance is about to go into hyperdrive

Our biggest export is dollars. We accept ship loads of consumer goods and in exchange send the ships back empty. What a deal.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:41AM (#35423396)
I have a hunch that’s exactly what it looked like for all past economic empires, no?
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by edgyquant on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:19AM (#35424007)
Which empires are those?
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:45AM (#35424477)
Roman, Ottoman, British to name a few.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by justinzollars on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:14PM (#35426392)
Its actually a sweet deal. But yes. Spot on.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by fauxpause_ on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:01AM (#35423693)
Sometimes full of trash
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by pjc50 on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:06AM (#35423784)
This is in a thread about how people cannot afford MacBooks, which count as a "US export" because they are priced in dollars that go back to the US eventually.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by baq on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:21AM (#35423060)
There is no alternative. Good that media doesn't report it because there's nothing to report. The dollar is not going away anytime soon.

A good comparison I got from twitter is Amazon credit. If you get $50, yeah it's fine, you'll spend it. If you get $5000 of it, you'll look very, very closely into all options to get your dollars back.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by golergka on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:33AM (#35423275)
> Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years.

New Israeli shekel is really, really close — 3.56 to 3.62 both now and 10 years ago.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by 1980phipsi on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:25AM (#35424108)
Israel's GDP is like a fortieth of the US, but they have had a really solid economy over the past ten years, which helps their currency.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by jsnell on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:35AM (#35423307)
> Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years.

CHF, but not by much.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by pjc50 on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:08AM (#35423817)
Too many people are just replaying inflation discourse from the 1930s and 1970s over and over again in their head, talking up the imminent collapse of the dollar, without actually taking a look around.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by donkeyd on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:38AM (#35424336)
There's a lot of crypto shills that want to scare people into thinking fiat will inevitably fail, so people buy their imaginary currency.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:50AM (#35424585)
>so people buy their imaginary currency.

While I think you're correct regarding the crypto bros, every fiat currency is imaginary.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by prottog on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:12AM (#35425035)
> every fiat currency is imaginary.

Well, the USD is backed by the "full faith and credit of the United States government" which, however you may feel about it, isn't imaginary. Each dollar is a claim to a piece of output of the world's largest economy with the strongest military.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by paxys on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:20AM (#35425203)
The US government and US military are very far from imaginary.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:03AM (#35436953)
It's collective imagination of the worth of the US dollar.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by giantrobot on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:12AM (#35425041)
I can pay my non-imaginary taxes with dollars. All my other bills also helpfully accept dollars. This gives dollars a useful non-imaginary quality crypto does not have.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:21AM (#35425207)
It's still imaginary. It's belief-based. Just living in the imaginary world of a lot more people than crypto.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by lamontcg on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:52PM (#35427200)
You could in fact try to opt-out of participating in the US economy even if you live here. That would be very difficult though.

Generally at some point a person wants to get some goods and services from their neighbors and barter only goes so far.

The fact that you are in a society with 330M other people who all use the same "imaginary" currency makes it incredibly sticky.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:03AM (#35436955)
>The fact that you are in a society with 330M other people who all use the same "imaginary" currency makes it incredibly sticky.

Exactly what I said. It's imaginary, just that it's a collective imagination.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by lamontcg on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:33PM (#35446123)
You can believe that phone bills are a purely imaginary human construct that has no physical meaning and your phone will still stop working when you stop paying them.

At some point these things we conjure up out of our collective imagination are every bit as real as the ground hitting you if you jump off a building.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @02:13AM (#35450027)
That counts for crypto as well though. If your phone bill is in crypto, and society believes (!) in crypto, then you might have society enforcing it's beliefs with the full force of the law.

I.e. imaginary.

Your phone bill is just another level of abstraction on top of the USD imagination.

In the middle ages witches were believed to be real by enough people to burn them on the stake. The full power of the state was behind this. Unless there's scientific evidence of sorcery now I think witches are imaginary.

It doesn't make the burning sensation less real.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by giantrobot on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:17PM (#35429734)
There's a handful of objectively valuable things like air, water, and food which I literally cannot live without. The value of pretty much anything else is imaginary because it's subjective.

The value of cryptocurrency is just far more imaginary than dollars, euros, or even gold.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by matheusmoreira on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:26PM (#35430770)
The "shills" are not wrong. Every single currency that ever existed went to zero. The USD will be no exception. Honestly, BTC will be no exception either.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by dragonwriter on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:35PM (#35430897)
> Every single currency that ever existed went to zero

False, and you give two examples that disprove the claim:

> The USD will be no exception. Honestly, BTC will be no exception either.

See, that’s two that have not gone to zero (there ate lots more), but which you merely conjecture will.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by lowkey on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:34PM (#35447720)
The US dollar has lost 99% of its purchasing power since the creation of the Federal Reserve.

The minimum wage in the US in 1964 was $1.25/hour. Notably those five quarters were 90% silver worth about $20 US today.

The British Pound Sterling originally referred to £1 being exchangeablei for 1 pound of sterling silver or 1/270th of it’s original value.

It’s technically true that they haven’t gone to literally zero, but I would hazard to say it is close enough.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by Dylan16807 on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:09PM (#35432009)
"Everything fails eventually" isn't what the "shills" are talking about.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by justinzollars on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:10PM (#35426305)
This post is about Apple halting M2 Production in January and reduced mac sales.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by Arubis on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:36AM (#35424309)
If you're one of the upper-tier non-US nationalities concerned about a strengthening dollar, that sets up some behavioral and policy incentives that could have destabilizing effects.

Like, Russia's purported election interference and general political destabilizing activity starts to sound like a (ethically awful but) economically sensible move. In the extreme, the US falling into a civil war would ease that pressure on BRICS etc.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by 0xDEF on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:11AM (#35425009)
>The recent BRICS currency

It's important to not paint BRICS as an actual political entity. It literally started as an investment term made up by Goldman Sachs.

Especially India has its own problems with China and China's Israel (Pakistan).

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by reaperducer on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:23AM (#35425276)
That version is something the media never mentions.

I've seen it a number of times since last summer. Perhaps you're reading the wrong media.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:22PM (#35427737)
I must be then because all I ever read is that China will beat the US eventually and the dollar is being challenged. The raw numbers say the opposite best I can tell.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by jcfrei on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:43AM (#35425706)
You seem to be conflating some issues here: On one hand the strong dollar has held back the US economy because it made it less competitive with lets say German exports (which are sold in euro). On the other hand the strong dollar has been great for the US consumer (cheaper to import stuff) and for the government: Easier to refinance their debt and buy stuff (raw materials, etc.) abroad.

From an economic perspective BRICS (which on a net basis are exporting nations) should really be worried about more dollar weakness. However I think the recent moves away from the dollar are not due to macro economic reasons but due to political ones instead. The confrontation between Russia and the West made these states realize that having dollars (or euros) can quickly turn into a liability: If they do something the US or EU doesn't like then their funds will just be frozen.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:02PM (#35427379)
> On one hand the strong dollar has held back the US economy because it made it less competitive with lets say German exports (which are sold in euro)

Due to higher US productivity even with the strong currency the cost of production for goods is significantly lower for same quality. US companies are generally gaining market shares in all high value goods.

> On the other hand the strong dollar has been great for the US consumer (cheaper to import stuff)

This allows higher quality of life at lower price. I’d like to point out that EU member gdp per capita are worse than the poorest US states. This is surprising to me as well, but true.

> From an economic perspective BRICS (which on a net basis are exporting nations) should really be worried about more dollar weakness.

How is that true? I’m not following. They need dollars to buy imports and with strong dollar it’s harder to buy imports for same exports. Take Turkey as prime example currently.

> If they do something the US or EU doesn't like then their funds will just be frozen.

I agree that is a big concern for them. However I don’t think a currency pact using Yuan will help much. They really want to give that same power to the Chinese? who have even less due process. This is actually a big reason I’m bullish on Bitcoin it’s probably a better reserve in long run.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by jcfrei on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:01PM (#35433187)
> How is that true? I’m not following. They need dollars to buy imports and with strong dollar it’s harder to buy imports for same exports. Take Turkey as prime example currently.

On a net basis they are exporters. Meaning (again on a net basis) dollars flow into these countries and goods flow out. If the dollar is strong then companies exporting from the US are more expensive then comparable exports from other countries (which can sell for a lower dollar amount and still pay their staff, raw materials). If the dollar is weak then companies exporting from the US are comparably cheaper. The US is usually a net importer because due to a strong dollar (and high wages) it's just cheaper to import stuff from abroad.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by agumonkey on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:48AM (#35425813)
I run into people that are thinking the opposite. Maybe they're too contrarian but they think this is the start of a rebalance toward china / brics / non western countries.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by astrange on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:31PM (#35426766)
Thinking "BRICS" exists is a red flag for contrarianism. China and India are literally in a shooting war at their border. The term was invented by Goldman Sachs. It's not an alliance.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by lalhadudki on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:43PM (#35426986)
Not quite shooting. They are actually not given guns so they have to fist it out. Just a little bit of theater for those provinces. To think that would stop them from commercing with each other is wishful thinking
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by astrange on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:57PM (#35427282)
Huh, I knew there had been actual deaths but not that it was hand to hand combat…
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by type0 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @06:28PM (#35446703)
Sticks and stones...
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by nemo44x on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:20PM (#35426511)
> there is a possibility that US economic dominance is about to go into hyperdrive.

The USA is an impressive beast in this regard. It just never fails to lead and now with AI it's simply light years ahead of the nearest competitor. There's literally thousands of AI startups here - it's just amazing.

Lots of people like to opine on the downfall of American hegemony and global financial and cultural dominance but I'm a believer in the lesser traveled idea that the American Empire hasn't even begun yet.

All of Western and Central Europe, Israel, Japan, Canada, Mexico, Australia, parts of South America, and a few other places are already vassal states of America as it is. I expect more to become over the coming decades.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:48PM (#35427110)
Exactly. I see it like you do.

I have yet to see quantitative numbers that suggest a downfall for the American empire. The discussion always turns to hyper political issues and problems, like race or guns, or healthcare systems.

Yet if we look at more practical questions like productivity, innovation, efficiency, energy, food, … etc. What downfall? It looks like it is growing and I agree there is a possibility that the American Empire is only just starting, not ending.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by telotortium on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:30PM (#35429937)
Transition from the republic to the empire
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:48PM (#35431056)
Good point and likely what is happening.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by telotortium on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:46PM (#35433919)
Or as Niccolo Soldo puts it, "Turbo America".
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by lalhadudki on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:37PM (#35426871)
Come on, at least the Mexican peso has appreciated considerably this last year. Swiss francs, BTC.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:32PM (#35427924)
Thank you for pointing out the Mexican peso strength, they have definitely been able to turn it around. Isn’t that actually a bit due to their strong US ties?

Swissie and BTC make sense as safe havens for the sanctions and seizure risks of USD. I do expect those to continue to strengthen.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by InvaderFizz on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:39AM (#35435150)
Strong US ties, high interest rates, currency of choice until recently for the carry trade, and a large oil exporter. Large moves in the peso are largely tied to the price of oil.

The past year it's gone from almost 21 to the dollar to nearly 18. Certainly sucks for me losing 15% on the conversation rate along with the general inflation that has happened. My food bill in Mexico is up like 40% over the past six months in dollar terms.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by kristianp on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:18PM (#35427664)
The dollar's strength has much to do with the US leading the world in interest rate rises. Its not "dominance about to go into hyperdrive", it should slow the economy by hurting domestic spending and exports.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by alchemist1e9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:47PM (#35431040)
Except it was also strong when interest rates were almost zero?
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by babypuncher on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:55PM (#35428411)
Doom and gloom stories generate clicks. So they'd rather focus on the inflation we are experiencing rather than point out how much better we are doing right now than literally everyone else.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by matheusmoreira on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:22PM (#35430717)
BRICS currency? What a laugh... Brazilian president actually wanted to create a common south american coin, replacing the real with currency common to Venezuela and Argentina. These are the idiots "moving" against increased USD dominance.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by ask_b123 on Wednesday April 12, 2023 @02:54PM (#35544865)
> This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often.

It really isn't! I actually thought that the dollar was doing very badly because it has been going down in price in comparison to my local currency for the last 9 months or so (around 15%) (back to 2016-2018 levels).

And such a decrease hadn't happened in more than a decade.