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Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by pjc50 on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:08AM (#35423817)
Too many people are just replaying inflation discourse from the 1930s and 1970s over and over again in their head, talking up the imminent collapse of the dollar, without actually taking a look around.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by donkeyd on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:38AM (#35424336)
There's a lot of crypto shills that want to scare people into thinking fiat will inevitably fail, so people buy their imaginary currency.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:50AM (#35424585)
>so people buy their imaginary currency.

While I think you're correct regarding the crypto bros, every fiat currency is imaginary.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by prottog on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:12AM (#35425035)
> every fiat currency is imaginary.

Well, the USD is backed by the "full faith and credit of the United States government" which, however you may feel about it, isn't imaginary. Each dollar is a claim to a piece of output of the world's largest economy with the strongest military.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by paxys on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:20AM (#35425203)
The US government and US military are very far from imaginary.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:03AM (#35436953)
It's collective imagination of the worth of the US dollar.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by giantrobot on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:12AM (#35425041)
I can pay my non-imaginary taxes with dollars. All my other bills also helpfully accept dollars. This gives dollars a useful non-imaginary quality crypto does not have.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:21AM (#35425207)
It's still imaginary. It's belief-based. Just living in the imaginary world of a lot more people than crypto.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by lamontcg on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:52PM (#35427200)
You could in fact try to opt-out of participating in the US economy even if you live here. That would be very difficult though.

Generally at some point a person wants to get some goods and services from their neighbors and barter only goes so far.

The fact that you are in a society with 330M other people who all use the same "imaginary" currency makes it incredibly sticky.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:03AM (#35436955)
>The fact that you are in a society with 330M other people who all use the same "imaginary" currency makes it incredibly sticky.

Exactly what I said. It's imaginary, just that it's a collective imagination.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by lamontcg on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:33PM (#35446123)
You can believe that phone bills are a purely imaginary human construct that has no physical meaning and your phone will still stop working when you stop paying them.

At some point these things we conjure up out of our collective imagination are every bit as real as the ground hitting you if you jump off a building.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @02:13AM (#35450027)
That counts for crypto as well though. If your phone bill is in crypto, and society believes (!) in crypto, then you might have society enforcing it's beliefs with the full force of the law.

I.e. imaginary.

Your phone bill is just another level of abstraction on top of the USD imagination.

In the middle ages witches were believed to be real by enough people to burn them on the stake. The full power of the state was behind this. Unless there's scientific evidence of sorcery now I think witches are imaginary.

It doesn't make the burning sensation less real.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by giantrobot on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:17PM (#35429734)
There's a handful of objectively valuable things like air, water, and food which I literally cannot live without. The value of pretty much anything else is imaginary because it's subjective.

The value of cryptocurrency is just far more imaginary than dollars, euros, or even gold.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by matheusmoreira on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:26PM (#35430770)
The "shills" are not wrong. Every single currency that ever existed went to zero. The USD will be no exception. Honestly, BTC will be no exception either.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by dragonwriter on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:35PM (#35430897)
> Every single currency that ever existed went to zero

False, and you give two examples that disprove the claim:

> The USD will be no exception. Honestly, BTC will be no exception either.

See, that’s two that have not gone to zero (there ate lots more), but which you merely conjecture will.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by lowkey on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @08:34PM (#35447720)
The US dollar has lost 99% of its purchasing power since the creation of the Federal Reserve.

The minimum wage in the US in 1964 was $1.25/hour. Notably those five quarters were 90% silver worth about $20 US today.

The British Pound Sterling originally referred to £1 being exchangeablei for 1 pound of sterling silver or 1/270th of it’s original value.

It’s technically true that they haven’t gone to literally zero, but I would hazard to say it is close enough.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by Dylan16807 on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:09PM (#35432009)
"Everything fails eventually" isn't what the "shills" are talking about.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by justinzollars on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:10PM (#35426305)
This post is about Apple halting M2 Production in January and reduced mac sales.