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Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:50AM (#35424585)
>so people buy their imaginary currency.

While I think you're correct regarding the crypto bros, every fiat currency is imaginary.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by prottog on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:12AM (#35425035)
> every fiat currency is imaginary.

Well, the USD is backed by the "full faith and credit of the United States government" which, however you may feel about it, isn't imaginary. Each dollar is a claim to a piece of output of the world's largest economy with the strongest military.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by paxys on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:20AM (#35425203)
The US government and US military are very far from imaginary.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:03AM (#35436953)
It's collective imagination of the worth of the US dollar.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by giantrobot on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:12AM (#35425041)
I can pay my non-imaginary taxes with dollars. All my other bills also helpfully accept dollars. This gives dollars a useful non-imaginary quality crypto does not have.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:21AM (#35425207)
It's still imaginary. It's belief-based. Just living in the imaginary world of a lot more people than crypto.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by lamontcg on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:52PM (#35427200)
You could in fact try to opt-out of participating in the US economy even if you live here. That would be very difficult though.

Generally at some point a person wants to get some goods and services from their neighbors and barter only goes so far.

The fact that you are in a society with 330M other people who all use the same "imaginary" currency makes it incredibly sticky.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:03AM (#35436955)
>The fact that you are in a society with 330M other people who all use the same "imaginary" currency makes it incredibly sticky.

Exactly what I said. It's imaginary, just that it's a collective imagination.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by lamontcg on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:33PM (#35446123)
You can believe that phone bills are a purely imaginary human construct that has no physical meaning and your phone will still stop working when you stop paying them.

At some point these things we conjure up out of our collective imagination are every bit as real as the ground hitting you if you jump off a building.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by carlmr on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @02:13AM (#35450027)
That counts for crypto as well though. If your phone bill is in crypto, and society believes (!) in crypto, then you might have society enforcing it's beliefs with the full force of the law.

I.e. imaginary.

Your phone bill is just another level of abstraction on top of the USD imagination.

In the middle ages witches were believed to be real by enough people to burn them on the stake. The full power of the state was behind this. Unless there's scientific evidence of sorcery now I think witches are imaginary.

It doesn't make the burning sensation less real.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by giantrobot on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:17PM (#35429734)
There's a handful of objectively valuable things like air, water, and food which I literally cannot live without. The value of pretty much anything else is imaginary because it's subjective.

The value of cryptocurrency is just far more imaginary than dollars, euros, or even gold.