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Re:Where the Goblins Came From by postalcoder on Wednesday April 29, 2026 @11:56PM (#47957894)
Would love if OpenAI did more of these types of posts. Off the top of my head, I'd like to understand:

- The sepia tint on images from gpt-image-1

- The obsession with the word "seam" as it pertains to coding

Other LLM phraseology that I cannot unsee is Claude's "___ is the real unlock" (try google it or search twitter!). There's no way that this phrase is overrepresented in the training data, I don't remember people saying that frequently.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by vunderba on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:08AM (#47957987)
It was always funny how easy it was to spot the people using a Studio Ghibli style generated avatar for their Discord or Slack profile, just from that yellow tinging. A simple LUT or tone-mapping adjustment in Krita/Photoshop/etc. would have dramatically reduced it.

The worst was you could tell when someone had kept feeding the same image back into chatgpt to make incremental edits in a loop. The yellow filter would seemingly stack until the final result was absolutely drenched in that sickly yellow pallor, made any photorealistic humans look like they were all suffering from advanced stages of jaundice.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by andai on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:17AM (#47958036)
For context, an example of what happens when you feed the same image back in repeatedly: https://www.instagram.com/reels/DJFG6EDhIHs/
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by vunderba on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:20AM (#47958060)
Haha fantastic. I'd love to see a comparison reel of that same image-loop for the entire image gen series (gpt-image-1, gpt-image-1.5, gpt-image-2).
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by dmichulke on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:56AM (#47958291)
Fixed points are a window to the soul of a LLM

- Lucretius in "De rerum natura", probably

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by Barbing on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:21AM (#47958876)
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by omegabravo on Thursday April 30, 2026 @03:59AM (#47959564)
0 bytes?
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by frilly_yak on Thursday April 30, 2026 @06:16AM (#47960407)
catbox has been doing that for videos recently, don't know why. try https://www.vxinstagram.com/reels/DJFG6EDhIHs/
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by Barbing on Thursday April 30, 2026 @03:50PM (#47967384)
Thank you!

Not necessarily related but this would’ve been a big distraction:

https://blog.catbox.moe/post/813932072453455872/happy-11th-b...

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by Barbing on Thursday April 30, 2026 @03:38PM (#47967244)
Hmm, sorry about that

Expires in 2d: https://streamable.com/dkyvu8

Edit: bad actors spamming Catbox

https://blog.catbox.moe/post/813932072453455872/happy-11th-b...

@Anthropic get your Claude under control:

  “Catbox has been running for 11 years now, and for 9 of those years, growth was pretty linear. Traffic goes up, storage used goes up, support goes up. This is the “organic” nature of Catbox. For the last 2 years, amplifying in the last 6 months, both storage used has gone up significantly compared to traffic and support. I first investigated this last year around May, as it was starting to put pressure on the storage space available to Catbox. I was able to find that most of the storage used was from a handful (35 or so) IP addresses that were uploading over 500 GB of content to Catbox in very short spans of time anonymously. After purging those uploads and banning those IP addresses, things seemed to be fine, however later last year, around September, disk consumption began to increase exponentially again compared to traffic. Doing what I could to mitigate it at that time involved Project Lain, as well as light monitoring of high usage IP addresses, like before. However this time there was no “super users” that were eating up storage. I let it be for a bit while purging a couple that I could. This problem increased even more in the last 60 days, to the point where I was burning through around 200-300 GB per day. Review of upload data shows hundreds of datacenter and proxy service IP addresses uploading 10-20 GB each for a few days, then dropping off. Looking at the files, it’s various “slop” content, including:

  - Low resolution AI generated porn
  - Tiktok Videos from the Middle East and SEA
  - Clearly scraped LinkedIn/publicly available photos
  - blob files containing junk data

  Clearly this is not the “organic” traffic I mentioned earlier, and since the IP addresses are so varied, it’s clear something is happening here. I was alerted by someone that Claude will use Catbox in its coding projects as a “dumping ground” of sorts for when it needs to redirect content. This is clearly an abuse of the service, and stops today. …”
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by Suppafly on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:46AM (#47958224)
I like how the AI seems forced to change their ethnicity to keep up with the color changes. Absolutely wild.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by jamiek88 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @03:22AM (#47959321)
That is so creepy in a sci fi other worlds type way.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by yard2010 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:22AM (#47958878)
Enough internet for today
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by sigmoid10 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:57AM (#47959918)
This is just the model converging on some kind of average found in its training data distribution. Here you can see the same concept starting from Dwayne Johnson and then converging to some kind of digital neo-expressionist doodle: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1kbj71z/i_tried_th...

If there's a hint of sepia in the original image and the training data contains a lot of sepia images, it will certainly get reinforced in this process. And the original distracted boyfriend meme certainly has some strong sepia tones in the background. Same way that Dwayne Johnson's face looks a tad cartoonish. And in the intermediate steps they both flow towards some averaged human representation that seems pretty accurate if you consider the real world's ethnic distribution.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by ishtanbul on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:26AM (#47958095)
Its called the piss filter
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by hansmayer on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:19AM (#47958856)
For me, the worst part is how these ghouls manage to ruin everything with their bullshit technology. Once they touch something unique and make it "AI" it just gets ruined. Now whenever I see something resembling that style, I have to assume it's the bullshit AI. And that's just a minor nuisance - now every underdeveloped idiot uses it to "up their game" with consequences we are only going to understand completely in the upcoming years.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by sponnath on Tuesday May 05, 2026 @12:22AM (#48018007)
I think Studio Ghibli has made some of the most beautiful films I've ever seen and I make it a habit to rewatch many of them every year. I think Sam and the others overusing the Ghibli artstyle is absolutely a petty dig at Miyazaki saying that AI animation is "an insult to life itself" (although he said this well before AI art took off).
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by NitpickLawyer on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:07AM (#47957983)
All GPTisms are like that. In moderation there's nothing wrong with any of them. But you start noticing them because a lot of people use these things, and c/p the responses verbatim (or now use claws, I guess). So they stand out.

I don't think it's training data overrepresentation, at least not alone. RLHF and more broadly "alignment" is probably more impactful here. Likely combined with the fact that most people prompt them very briefly, so the models "default" to whatever it was most straight-forward to get a good score.

I've heard plenty of "the system still had some gremlins, but we decided to launch anyway", but not from tens of thousands of people at the same time. That's "the catch", IMO.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by pants2 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:57AM (#47958297)
Maybe the only solution to GPTisms is infinite context. If I'm talking to my coworker every day I would consciously recognize when I already used a metaphor recently and switch it up. However if my memory got reset every hour, I certainly might tell the same story or use the same metaphor over and over.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by telotortium on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:18AM (#47958848)
> However if my memory got reset every hour, I certainly might tell the same story or use the same metaphor over and over.

All people repeat the same stories and phraseology to some extent, and some people are as bad or worse than LLM chat bots in their predictability. I wonder if the latter have weak long-term memory on the scale of months to years, even if they remember things well from decades ago.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by yard2010 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:31AM (#47958950)
Honestly I think there is more to it - even with infinite context, the LLM needs some kind of intelligence to know what is noise and what is not, you resort to "thinking" - making it create garbage it then feeds to itself.

Learning a language is a big complex task, but it is far from real intelligence.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by yard2010 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:27AM (#47958922)
I think the problem is that humans are not random, they are very biased. When you try to capture this bias with an LLM you get a biased pseudo random model
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by mike_hearn on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:46AM (#47959855)
Another possibility is output watermarking. It's possible to watermark LLM generated text by subtly biasing the probability distribution away from the actual target distribution. Given enough text you can detect the watermark quite quickly, which is useful for excluding your own output from pre-training (unless you want it... plenty of deliberate synthetic data in SFT datasets now as this post-mortem makes clear).

I was told this was possible many years ago by a researcher at Google and have never really seen much discussion of it since. My guess is the labs do it but keep quiet about it to avoid people trying to erase the watermark.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by jofzar on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:06AM (#47957969)
One I saw recently was "wires" and "wired" from opus.

It was using it like every 3rd sentence and I was like, yeah I have seen people say wired like this but not really for how it was using it in every sentence.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by baq on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:31AM (#47958129)
GPT started to ‘wire in’ stuff around 5.2 or 5.3 and clearly Opus, ahem, picked it up. I remember being a tiny bit shocked when I saw ‘wired’ for the first time in an Anthropic model.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by Barbing on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:23AM (#47958886)
Anthropic distills GPT?
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by yorwba on Thursday April 30, 2026 @03:29AM (#47959363)
Everybody training models on large amounts of lightly filtered internet text is partially distilling every other model that had its output posted verbatim to the internet.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by beAbU on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:59AM (#47959926)
And OpenAI probably distills anthropic, who would't?

It's all one big incestuous mess. In a couple of years we'll be talking about AI brainrot.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by krackers on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:00AM (#47957929)
>with the word "seam" as it pertains to coding

I thought this was an established term when it comes to working with codebases comprised of multiple interacting parts.

https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/1325...

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by postalcoder on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:10AM (#47957998)
thanks for this.

> the term originates from Michael Feathers Working Effectively with Legacy Code

I haven’t read the book but, taking the title and Amazon reviews at face value, I feel like this embodies Codex’s coding style as a whole. It treats all code like legacy code.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by eterm on Thursday April 30, 2026 @01:59AM (#47958714)
It's been a long time since I read it, but it was one of the better books I've read. It changed my approach to how to think about old code-bases.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by kqr on Thursday May 07, 2026 @01:22AM (#48045699)
I agree. I come back to it all the time when I need a little inspiration for how to deal with a gnarly codebase. Usually there is something in there I can apply directly to get me out of a pinch. When there is not the reminder of how malleable code is suffices.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by TeMPOraL on Thursday April 30, 2026 @03:55AM (#47959538)
It's not in the top 10, but it's of the more well-known and widely recommended book in the software industry. I'd put it in the same bucket as "Clean Code" and maybe even "Domain Driven Design"; they're kinda from the same "thought school" in the software industry. So it's definitely over-represented in training data (I'd guess primarily in the form of articles and blog posts and educational material reiterating or rephrasing ideas from the book).

FWIW, I found the concept of "seams" from that book useful back when working on some legacy C++ monolithic code few years back, as TDD is a little more tricky than usual due to peculiarities of the language (and in particular its build model), and there it actually makes sense to know of different kind of "seams" and what they should vs. shouldn't be used for.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by tdeck on Thursday April 30, 2026 @01:05AM (#47958354)
I can't say it isn't, but I have been writing code since about 2004 and this is the first time I've become aware that this is a thing.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by layer8 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:38AM (#47958999)
No, it’s not an established term outside the mentioned books, beyond the generic meaning of the word.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by krackers on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:50AM (#47959075)
I have frequently encountered the term in the context of unit testing and dependency injection.

Other references (and all predate chatgpt):

>Seams are places in your code where you can plug in different functionality

>Art of Unit Testing, 2nd edition page 54

(https://blog.sasworkshops.com/unit-testing-and-seams/)

>With the help of a technique called creating a seam, or subclass and override we can make almost every piece of code testable.

https://www.hodler.co/2015/12/07/testing-java-legacy-code-wi...

> seam; a point in the code where I can write tests or make a change to enable testing

https://danlimerick.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/breaking-hidden...

Maybe it all ultimately traces back to the book mentioned before, but I don't believe it's an obscure term in the circles of java-y enterprise code/DI. In fact the only reason I know the term is because that's how dependency injection was first defined to me (every place you inject introduces a "seam" between the class being injected and the class you're injecting into, which allows for easy testing). I can't remember where exactly I encountered that definition though.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by Silamoth on Thursday April 30, 2026 @09:57AM (#47962604)
For what it’s worth, there are many areas of programming where dependency injection is almost never used. Game dev, data science, and embedded systems, for example, rarely use dependency injection. It’s definitely most common in enterprise Java code and less common in Python, C, or C++. And even then, not everyone uses the term “seam”.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by deaux on Thursday April 30, 2026 @01:21PM (#47965588)
Isn't DI just most commonly used in (web) server code, and rarely outside of that? Now it happens that C and C++ have been a rare choice for such code for decades, whereas Java had the longest streak of holding the #1 spot. It almost certainly still is #1 in terms of "requests served/day" by a large margin, probably no longer is #1 for greenfield projects.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by operatingthetan on Wednesday April 29, 2026 @11:59PM (#47957925)
Seams, spirals, codexes, recursion, glyphs, resonance, the list goes on and on.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by andai on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:18AM (#47958044)
Ask any LLM for 10 random words and most of them will give you the same weird words every time.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by Terr_ on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:22AM (#47958079)
If you lower the temperature setting, it really will be the same 10 words every single attempt. :p
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by gloflo on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:57AM (#47958299)
They are text completion algorithms with little randomness.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by tudorpavel on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:35AM (#47958152)
The one phrase that irks me as overly dramatic and both GPT and Claude use it a lot is "__ is the real smoking gun!"

I'm a non-native English speaker, so maybe it's a really common idiom to use when debugging?

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by gizajob on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:07AM (#47959629)
I’m a British English speaker and find the use of cliched American idioms really quite disgusting. Don’t want to think about about ballparks, home runs, smoking guns, going all in, touchdowns or hitting it out the park.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by weitendorf on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:38AM (#47959815)
It actually probably wouldn’t be too expensive or difficult to finetune those sayings out of default behavior if it were made accessible to you, you could even automate most of the relabeling by having the model come up with a list of idioms and appropriate replacement terms so it calls eg cookies biscuits or removes references to baseball. Absolute bollocks they don’t offer that as a simple option anymore
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by gizajob on Thursday April 30, 2026 @06:46AM (#47960634)
Should send over a geezer to give them a slap.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by walthamstow on Thursday April 30, 2026 @05:40AM (#47960167)
In my user instructions I always have a point to "always use British English" which seems to reduce Americanisms. I am yet to see Claude give me a "back of the net!" though, sadly.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by dboreham on Thursday April 30, 2026 @06:41AM (#47960584)
Crikey, you are correct!
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by DharmaPolice on Thursday April 30, 2026 @06:50AM (#47960651)
Ironically (or not) I've seen smoking gun attributed to Arthur Conan Doyle in a Sherlock Holmes story. (It was smoking pistol in that story). Even if that's rubbish, I think that one is common across the English speaking world. The baseball/American football stuff is a bit different. In the commonwealth we might say "Hit for six" instead of hitting it out of the park. There are a bunch of other ones related to sports more common in England like snookered, own-goal, red card, etc.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by gizajob on Thursday April 30, 2026 @06:54AM (#47960680)
That observation about Sherlock Holmes certainly puts the smackdown on me and gets you to home plate.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by socks on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:23AM (#47958884)
My colleagues were joking about smoking guns yesterday after noticing that Claude was obsessed with it.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by thinkingemote on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:39AM (#47959822)
I like how your co-workers enjoy the language. I had a similar group of colleagues once who did similar pre LLM but with words in popular culture, very playful.

In the future these tells will be more identifiable. We will be easier to point back at text and code written in 2026 and more confidently say "this was written by an LLM". It takes time for patterns to form and takes time for it to be noticeable. "Smoking gun was so early 2026 claude".I find thinking of the future looking at now to be refreshing perspective on our usage.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by aorloff on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:38AM (#47958166)
It probably was found in a bunch of meaningful code commit messages
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by jijijijij on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:22AM (#47959714)
> I'm a non-native English speaker, so maybe it's a really common idiom to use when debugging?

No. But it is something goblins say a lot.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by rob74 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @05:15AM (#47960029)
Especially sleuth goblins...
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by alex_sf on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:41AM (#47958190)
"shape" too, at least with gpt5.5, is coming up constantly.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by pdntspa on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:54AM (#47958276)
The number of things that Claude has told me are 'load-bearing' or 'belt-and-suspenders' is... very load-bearing
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by sushid on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:17AM (#47958844)
You are absolutely right to call that out!
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by DespairYeMighty on Thursday April 30, 2026 @01:10AM (#47958389)
for me, doing the heavy lifting is doing the heavy lifting
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by yard2010 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:16AM (#47958833)
Fun fact: the word suffer comes from sub fer - under load, this relation (suffer - load bearing) is consistent across (unrelated) languages
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by andromaton on Thursday April 30, 2026 @01:24AM (#47958496)
Also too many lands and hits.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by vidarh on Thursday April 30, 2026 @01:10AM (#47958392)
Claude, at least 4.5, not checked recently, has/had an obsession with the number 47 (or numbers containing 47). Ask it to pick a random time or number, or write prose containing numbers, and the bias was crazy.

Also "something shifted" or "cracked".

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by dhosek on Thursday April 30, 2026 @01:15AM (#47958426)
Humans tend to be biased towards 47 as well. It’s almost halfway between 1 and 100 and prime so you’ll find people picking it when they have to choose a random number.

Then there’s the whole Pomona College thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47_(number)

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by vidarh on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:44AM (#47959028)
The whole blue 7 thing [1] and variations is very fascinating, but we don't tend to repeatedly pick the same number in the same exact context, though. That's what made this stand out to me - I had a document where Claude had picked 47 for "random" things dozens of times.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue%E2%80%93seven_phenomenon

I experienced this even second hand when a coworker excitedly told of an encounter with a cold reader, and I knew the answer would be blue 7 before he told me what his guess was. Just his recap of the conversation was enough.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by flawn on Thursday April 30, 2026 @03:20AM (#47959305)
I am biased towards 67
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by eloisant on Thursday April 30, 2026 @05:05AM (#47959970)
Funny, I didn't know there were 10 years old on hacker news!
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by dhosek on Thursday April 30, 2026 @12:32PM (#47964949)
The thirteen-year-olds are biased towards 69.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by wmf on Thursday April 30, 2026 @01:26AM (#47958507)
Maybe Claude is just a fan of Alias.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by IAmGraydon on Thursday April 30, 2026 @01:05PM (#47965390)
I just asked GPT 5.5 Thinking to choose any random 2 digit number. The result was indeed 47. Interesting.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by ddtaylor on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:35PM (#47967887)
Gemini gave 42
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by eterm on Thursday April 30, 2026 @01:58AM (#47958696)
"is the real" is such a strong Claude tell, whenever I encounter it, it makes me question what i'm reading.

Another I've noticed more recently is a slight obsession over refering to "Framing".

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by yard2010 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:17AM (#47958841)
You're absolutely right. I was wrong in the first place
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by Skidaddle on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:27AM (#47958920)
I miss being told “You’re absolutely right!” :’(
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by ahmadyan on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:15AM (#47958832)
i just want to know where emdash came from, as it is quite rare to see it on the public internet, so it must have been synthetically added to the dataset.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by doginasuit on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:33AM (#47958970)
Emdash is very common in academic journals and professional writing. I remember my English professor in the early 2000s encouraging us to use it, it has a unique role in interrupting a sentence. Thoughtfully used, it conveys a little more editorial effort, since there is no dedicated key on the keyboard. It was disappointing to see it become associated with AI output.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by TeMPOraL on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:02AM (#47959594)
Other than things other comments already mention, let's not forget that Microsoft Word auto-corrects "--" to em-dash, and so does (apparently - haven't checked myself) Outlook, Apple Pages, Notes and Mail. There's probably bunch of other such software (I vaguely recall Wordpress doing annoying auto-typography on me, some 15 years ago or so).
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by gizajob on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:08AM (#47959641)
Because on the public internet people don’t have arts degrees which are where emdash users learn to wield it correctly.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by dboreham on Thursday April 30, 2026 @06:42AM (#47960598)
I learned about em-dashes by reading Knuth about 40 years ago.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by LiamPowell on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:19AM (#47958854)
The very simplified answer is that the models are first trained on everything and then are later trained more heavily on golden samples with perfect grammar, spelling, etc..
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by jijijijij on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:25AM (#47959744)
It has been rare. It's common now, even in meaningful human texts. (I know because I detest the correct usage without spaces, t looks wrong.) One of the ways AI is shaping our minds.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by honzaik on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:28AM (#47959762)
although emdashes are not common on the internet, there are prevalent in books.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by red_admiral on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:50AM (#47959877)
`---` in TeX?
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by bananaflag on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:55AM (#47959903)
Logo_Daedalus tended to use it a lot

https://xcancel.com/Logo_Daedalus

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by ddtaylor on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:34PM (#47967867)
I think it's because of Wordpress sites, as their titles often have them and the editor automatically turns things into them. A large part of the Internet has been powered by WP.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by dyauspitr on Thursday April 30, 2026 @02:56AM (#47959110)
“I’ve got the shape of it now”
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by croisillon on Thursday April 30, 2026 @03:24AM (#47959332)
and "quietly"!
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by wodenokoto on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:01AM (#47959585)
I thought the “why it matters” headline was a funny reference to ChatGPT phraseology
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by teaearlgraycold on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:13AM (#47959669)
Whenever Claude finishes some work it almost always says “Clean.” before finishing its closing remarks. It’s at the point where I repeat it out loud along with Claude to highlight the absurdity of the repetition.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by weitendorf on Thursday April 30, 2026 @05:22AM (#47960068)
With 4.5, I think because I would prompt it/guide it towards an outcome by calling it “the dream: <code example>” it would get almost reverential / shocked with awe as it got closer to getting it working or when it finally passed for the first time. Which was funny and reasonably context appropriate but sometimes felt so over the top that I couldn’t tell if it also “liked” the project/idea or if I had somehow accidentally manipulated it into assigning religious purpose to the task of unix-style streaming rpcs.

I think a lot of the “clean” stuff stems from system prompts telling it to behave in a certain way or giving it requirements that it later responds to conversationally.

Total aside: I actually really dislike that these products keep messing around with the system prompts so much, they clearly don’t even have a good way to tell how much it’s going to change or bias the results away from other things than whatever they’re explicitly trying to correct, and like why is the AI company vibe-prompting the behavior out when they can train it and actually run it against evals.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by Helmut10001 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:48AM (#47959868)
I had the feeling they didn't really answer the questions, that is why the goblins appeared. They simply "retired the “Nerdy” personality" because they couldn't fix it and went on.
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by isege on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:54AM (#47959898)
One I noticed with gemini, especially 3 flash: "this is the classic _____".
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by afro88 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @07:19AM (#47960847)
> The obsession with the word "seam" as it pertains to coding

I quite liked this term when it started using it. And I appreciate the consistent way it talks about coding work even when working on radically different stacks and codebases

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by creamyhorror on Thursday April 30, 2026 @08:23AM (#47961365)
"Seam" has been stretched by AI from its original legacy-code context to any point in code where something can be plugged in. I actually asked an AI about this a few weeks ago because I was surprised by the consistent, frequent use of "seam".

Frequent words I see from GPT: "shape", "seam", "lane", "gate" (especially as verb), "clean", "honest", "land", "wire", "handoff", "surface" (noun), "(un)bounded", "semantics" (but this one is fair enough), and sometimes "unlock"

It feels like AI really likes to pick the shortest ways to express ideas even if they aren't the most common, which I suppose would make sense if that's actually what's happening.

Re:Where the Goblins Came From by joegibbs on Thursday April 30, 2026 @07:29AM (#47960937)
ChatGPT has a whole host of weird words that it uses about coding - anything changed is a “pass” done over the code, it loves talking about “chrome” in the UI, it’s always saying “I’m going to do X, not [something stupid that nobody would ever think of doing]”
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by bwat49 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @07:39AM (#47960996)
gpt also loves talking about handwaving, "I'm going to do X, not just a hand-wavy victory lap"
Re:Where the Goblins Came From by duped on Thursday April 30, 2026 @01:12PM (#47965486)
Short terse sentences. Never use commas.

Paragraph break.

No foo. No bar. Only baz and qux. All writing is like a bad tech blog -- with language that mimics humanity. Yet is alien.

The smoking gun is extra wording. Typically simple language. Dense in tokens -- shallow in content. Repeating itself ad nauseam. Saying the same thing in different ways. Feeding back upon itself. Not adding content. Not adding depth. Only adding words.