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Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by daniel_iversen on Monday November 23, 2020 @05:31PM (#25192729)
Not sure about others but it’s been many years since I felt the need to jailbreak my iOS devices. One of the reasons is that there’s just no “killer apps” available for me by jailbreaking anymore, iOS generally does 100% of what I want it to do, and the way I like it to do it.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by Wowfunhappy on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:27PM (#25193174)
There are so many little things that just piss me off to no end when I'm on a non-Jailbroken iPhone.

• Google search results lead to AMP pages. When Jailbroken, I can load a userscript that turns this off.

• Random apps have stupid names on my homescreen. Either the name is in all caps, or it's too long and Apple puts a big ellipses in the middle. I can't rename them unless I'm Jailbroken.

• Stock iOS has two separate low-battery alerts, the first of which occurs when there's still a fifth of my battery left! I'm well aware of the red icon at the top of my screen.

• The stock iOS keyboard has a dictation key I always hit accidentally. I can disable it when I'm Jailbroken.

There are many, many, many more examples, these are just off the top of my head. It's been long enough since I set up my Jailbreak that I don't actually remember most of them, but I use a ton of let's-call-them annoyance fixers, and I don't think I could live without them.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by RileyJames on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:12PM (#25194075)
>>> The stock iOS keyboard has a dictation key I always hit accidentally. I can disable it when I'm Jailbroken

General > Keyboard > Enable Dictation and then disable dictation.

The microphone on the keyboard disappears.

I agree, there are a few little things that are annoying. And I wish iOS was more like Linux, in that you could just change anything if you actually cared to. But personally I rarely run into these edge cases on iOS these days. In the early days jailbreak was mandatory.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by sitzkrieg on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:41AM (#25195647)
huh i have dictation off and its still there and i hit it often. i tried toggling on and off with no luck
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by berkut on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:17AM (#25195836)
Same here, it's off (been off for a while), and I still get the button on the keyboard. Tried toggling it on and off as well, but no luck.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by drunkpotato on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:13AM (#25198118)
Dictation is still there, or voice recording? I turned off dictation, but can still record voice memos or texts.

Aside: I find the concept of a voice "text" amusing and somewhat redundant with voicemail, though I can see an argument that the use cases are slightly different.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by sitzkrieg on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:04PM (#25201078)
the microphone icon on bottom right. pressing it asks to enable dictation. on bottom left is emoji picker. huge spacing on both, what a stupid waste of precious vertical space
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by cbsks on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:15PM (#25194096)
Thank you! That has been bugging me for a long time!
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by ASalazarMX on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:36PM (#25200750)
That doesn't hide the keyboard's microphone. While technically dictation is disabled, hitting the microphone asks you if you want to "enable it", or "not now". I need a "never ask me again" option.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by hyperdimension on Monday November 23, 2020 @11:03PM (#25195165)
I don't have an iDevice so I can't check, but you have to enter a menu entitled 'Enable Dictation' in order to remove the speech-to-text button from the keyboard?
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by mcpherrinm on Monday November 23, 2020 @11:09PM (#25195188)
It is an on/off toggle in a list of settings, so it reads like "Enable Dictation: false"
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by systoll on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @04:39AM (#25196846)
No, you have to go to a menu labelled ‘keyboards’ and switch off the switch labelled ‘Enable Dictation’
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by gcblkjaidfj on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:33PM (#25193237)
0. ssh/d so i can transfer files like a human being, not an animal.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by wil421 on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:54PM (#25193439)
Starting with 0 and transferring files via ssh means you are a special kind of animal.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:20PM (#25194134)
I mean, we're literally on Hacker News.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by chokeartist on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:50PM (#25194756)
Circle is not complete until I see a suggestion on how you can replace iCloud with mashup scripting of sftp/rsync and cronjobs.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by pessimizer on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:26AM (#25195572)
No, the circle is not complete until an article is posted about how a 15 year old cobbled together a website/app combo that did it automatically and grew to a few million users overnight; Apple hired the kid, killed the app, and wrote a new layer of signed security into iOS that would prevent anything like that from working again; and that layer was responsible for the last iCloud outage because somebody at Apple accidentally let a certificate expire.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by fartcannon on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:02AM (#25195429)
Those can't replace iCloud because they are free. Write the sftp/rsync script and then throw money in the garbage to accurately replace iCloud.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by Fnoord on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:34AM (#25196179)
s/iCloud/Dropbox/g

Here on HN, mentioning Dropbox makes the circle complete.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by anderspitman on Monday November 23, 2020 @10:57PM (#25195133)
What sorts of files are you transferring? For things like PDFs or videos I normally use something like https://file.pizza.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by angry_octet on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @03:07AM (#25196333)
Is there some trick to make file.pizza work? I'm leaving the tab open and trying on various different devices, but it just stays at Peers: 0 and nothing downloads.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by anderspitman on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:38PM (#25205422)
I would guess your network is blocking WebRTC. Are you at work?
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by angry_octet on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @03:38AM (#25207137)
While I do have WebRTC blocking on this computer, I tried sharing from other devices and networks too, chrome and firefox and mobile versions. According to [1]&[2] WebRTC UDP and TCP are enabled, relay/reflexive/host connectivity.

[1] https://www.expressvpn.com/webrtc-leak-test [2] https://test.webrtc.org/

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by bobbean on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:18AM (#25195842)
That's an awesome thanks for mentioning it.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by snazz on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:38PM (#25193825)
Does that compete at all speed-wise with just plugging it into your computer via USB? I guess your local network should be fairly fast, but I would think that USB would still be faster (not to mention that you wouldn't need to find the right file from the terminal).
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by angry_octet on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:53AM (#25196258)
Copying files over USB is ludicrously slow and requires cross-device trust and exposure to dirty USB.

Let's not deceive ourselves: Apple deliberately cripples standardised data exchange mechanisms to push iCloud and aht Apple ecosystem.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by saagarjha on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:00PM (#25194445)
> plugging it into your computer via USB

wires

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by gcblkjaidfj on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @03:21PM (#25202595)
>wires

and dongles. It's IOS device after all.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by nerdite on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:11PM (#25194507)
The files app on ios works with smb. . . it's not sftp but it works.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by captn3m0 on Monday November 23, 2020 @11:37PM (#25195313)
Even with SMB, it is very painful to use - you can't create bookmarks and if a connectivity test fails to the server - it gets removed from the list and you have to add it back again.

Not sure but I think moving files within the same share also takes a round-trip to the iPhone.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by rorykoehler on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:23AM (#25195863)
I'm still not sure why we didn't get a normal file browser from the start. It is a solved problem and everything rolled out for ios has been a regression.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by shmoogy on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:26PM (#25194618)
You might like the Shellfish app
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by daniellarusso on Monday November 23, 2020 @10:56PM (#25195131)
How do you browse smb shares?
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by f1refly on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @03:52AM (#25196575)
ssh is fine, but you could also use syncthing which is about 500% more user friendly
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by Wowfunhappy on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:35AM (#25198746)
Not on iOS you can’t. :(
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by ajvs on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:34AM (#25195613)
I have like 80 desktop Firefox extensions on for various privacy measures and helpful utilities. The fact that you can't even install Firefox let alone all these useful extensions is a big reason why I'm now on Android instead.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by kilroy123 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @04:19AM (#25196723)
80!? My god, I hope you check often for Malware and whatnot? I try to run as little as possible because I'm paranoid and want better performance.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by ASalazarMX on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:38PM (#25200782)
Death by a thousand privacies.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by microbass on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:25PM (#25201327)
Do you have a list of them somewhere? I like having options when it comes to privacy.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by evad3r on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:23PM (#25193684)
That's it, it's not so much the "killer apps" anymore but the little things that you can fix up.

The one downside to jailbreaking which I never found a working solution for was numerous apps that had jailbreak detection which caused the app to stop working, like Pokemon Go.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by therealx on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:19AM (#25195848)
Theres an app you can install that fakes the data to the apps and they will all run. Including banking apps. The other app thats great to use with that are gps spoofing apps.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by gcblkjaidfj on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:32PM (#25193226)
> 1. Google search results lead to AMP pages. When Jailbroken, I can load a userscript that turns this off.

change your search engine?

(my setup on all devices: ddg, and when results suck, i try google by adding "!g" to the search. It open my eyes when i see both suck for a few terms, but when using google i don't question the engine)

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by Wowfunhappy on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:33PM (#25193234)
Google still has the best search results by far IMO. I've tried DDG.

On desktop I use Startpage but, hey, that's another thing I can't set on stock iOS!

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by colejohnson66 on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:46PM (#25193357)
If you want Google’s results, but on DDG, the GP mentioned that you should prepend your query with “!g”
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by TobTobXX on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:48AM (#25195969)
This just redirects you to google.com with the search term entered. No different than searching on Google.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by dmtroyer on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:49PM (#25193913)
doesn't this take you to google instead of ddg(bing)? am I missing something?
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by Wowfunhappy on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:53PM (#25193433)
Thanks, but then I'd have to prepend all my queries with that. And sure, maybe not all queries need it, but I don't want to have to search two times either. I just want good results on the first try.

I appreciate everyone who uses DDG, and perhaps that's the route I would go if I couldn't use my userscript. But I greatly prefer my setup.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by spicybright on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:02PM (#25193991)
DDG as a search engine really does suck, but as a ui for other engines it's excellent. I like it on my phone in particular because I can pull things up faster and save data by not going to multiple pages for specific searches. Examples:

!s - start page, a google proxy !yt - youtube search !w - wikipedia etc.

Almost all I use I just figured out because it's obvious. !az = amazon, !ebay = ebay, etc. Usually just guessing gets me there 90% of the time, and then I can learn to use it again.

But again, that's just my workflow, not for everyone if you don't care if you use google for 99% of your searches.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by toxik on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:05PM (#25193546)
You don’t, only for free text type searches. A majority of my searches are other !foo searches, like !w Napoleon to find wiki info on the topic, same for YouTube, Python docs, different dictionaries and thesauruses. You learn to use these, just like you learn to use any other tool.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by colejohnson66 on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:02PM (#25193521)
Hey, whatever works for you :) Google is better, but that’s partly because of all the tracking they do.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by c22 on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:08PM (#25194035)
It depends on how you use it. Whenever Google gets my search wrong I usually end up clicking a bunch of results anyway, cause even though they're not what I was looking for there's a good chance they still look interesting. But then when I try to fix my search to get to what I'm actually looking for Google just spams me with more results related to the links I clicked :(
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by Fnoord on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:36AM (#25196188)
Google was very good (arguably better) in the era before they acquired Doubleclick.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by pr0zac on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @11:00AM (#25199589)
Its not a solution for Safari, but if you use Firefox (which you can now finally set as your default browser) you can add new search engines like Startpage and use them as the default.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by 05 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:45PM (#25201530)
> Stock iOS has two separate low-battery alerts, the first of which occurs when there's still a fifth of my battery left!

Recharging after the first 20% alert might significantly prolong the useful lifetime of your battery. Li-Po cell can provide a couple thousand 80%-20% cycles, but only less than a thousand 100%-0% cycles because working at the ends of the capacity range degrades the battery faster.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by Wowfunhappy on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @11:19AM (#25210806)
It's a fair point. But for me on my iPhone 6S, I've found that last 20% to be the difference between a phone that gets me through the day, and one that does not.

I get my battery replaced yearly. I would upgrade to a newer phone instead, but I value my headphone jack too much.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by airstrike on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:42PM (#25193314)
> The stock iOS keyboard has a dictation key I always hit accidentally. I can disable it when I'm Jailbroken.

Install SwiftKey and never look back

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by liminalsunset on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:47PM (#25193363)
Unintuitively, you can disable the key on the stock keyboard.

You go to Settings and turn Dictation on. (Yes, I know, bear with me.) THEN, you turn it off.

And that should cause the button to disappear. It's really unintuitive, I know.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by ASalazarMX on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:44PM (#25200826)
Well, I'll be damn, it worked. Two years an iPhone user and never managed to hide the damn icon until now, maybe it was too intuitive for me.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by toxik on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:03PM (#25193528)
You guys don’t use dictation? Huh.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by Wowfunhappy on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:04PM (#25193540)
I would use it if Apple's transcription was more accurate. It just ends up frustrating me more often that not.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by lostgame on Monday November 23, 2020 @10:22PM (#25194937)
Apple's dictation is so accurate 80% of the time I send replies to messages on my Apple Watch (unless they are long or detailed) and 90% of that time I never, ever have to make a correction. It's something that sold me on the watch.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by blackoil on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:08AM (#25195470)
In other words it is wrong 10% of times, for short and simple messages.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by londons_explore on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:56AM (#25196274)
Google is miles ahead with accuracy. Shame you can't switch providers...
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by Wowfunhappy on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:44PM (#25193332)
This is another problem I have with stock iOS—third party keyboards randomly revert back to the Apple keyboard on password entry screens!

I 100% understand why Apple does this, but a keyboard that randomly changes to a different keyboard under some circumstances is completely unusable to me. My brain needs consistency.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by elboru on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:50PM (#25193404)
Oh man, those low battery alerts really tempt me to jailbreak my phone.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by Valkhyr on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:16AM (#25196108)
I used to jailbreak. I now use Android.

When I did jailbreak, it was never about apps and rarely about high-level features (I did use NC settings before that was an official thing, and I installed a torrent client and some emulators, I think).

I jailbroke because I wanted to have access to a local terminal and write and execute arbitrary code on the phone - nothing major, mostly small bash and Python scripts and some C code when I was learning how to program.

It was also a philosophical thing: I want to have full ownership over my phone, whether I need that on a day-to-day basis or not.

I moved to Android when iOS jailbreaks started to become rarer and slower to appear, and more and more jailbreaks started to be tethered-only. There are only so many hoops I am willing to jump through when I can instead buy an Android phone that officially supports unlocking the bootloader and rooting it.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by 0df8dkdf on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:56AM (#25196273)
Same here. I jail broke the first iphone to use it as a handle held video camera.

I need to jailbreak to get music off it. Lost the orginal itune laptop hard drive where the music is on. Don't want to install some no free iMyPHone type of software to do the extract, don't want to run them on my computer, seems a bit fishy. I really just need root access and then I can scp off the music.

EDIT: iOS 10.x, old iphone.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by jrsj on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @11:58AM (#25200293)
I did this at one point as well but now I prefer not to have root access for security reasons. I'd rather have the ability to remote into a user with limited privileges on a more secure server, given how big of a target mobile devices are. That and it turned out I had no real practical reason to be fiddling with most of my devices -- I mostly work on server & web code, anything outside that the closer it is to 0 configuration the better it is for my sanity.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by jiofih on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:51AM (#25196248)
Moving to Android so you can jailbreak your phone to run a terminal sounds like a much, much larger hoop than just using a VM.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by opan on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @03:19AM (#25196395)
Android just has a working terminal without bypassing anything. You can enable one in developer options or just install a third porty terminal like termux.

Android and iOS are really not equivalent here. Similarly you can install apps from outside the play store normally. No root, no unlocked bootloader, no funny business. Just a big difference in how each OS treats its users.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by pjmlp on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:52AM (#25197611)
You can also install a third party terminal in iOS, in fact the development options for coding on the go on iOS are much more mature than then hacky versions available on Android.

Also termux is going to be a thing of the past, because its developers refuse to use the newer Java based APIs in recent Android versions, as Google is closing down the API space available to the NDK, as means to close down on security exploits.

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Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by Okawari on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @05:36AM (#25197200)
Guess its a matter of perspective.

As an Android user having to help family members with their i devices from time to time, iOS devices frustrate me to no end.

iOS might have a good user experience if you're already used to it. But as someone who is not familiar with it, but uses it from time to time, I find it an horrible experience.

It looks good tho, gotta give it that.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by sgt on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:12AM (#25197399)
Interesting. My whole family is on iPhone and I remember that my mother had an Android phones years ago (Samsung), and she never fully understood it. Nowadays I have no "support cases".
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by Okawari on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:24AM (#25199258)
We originally chose iPhone for my grandparents because they were intuitive and easy to use. I have to help her more than before. It does seem that either iOS is sending her more notifications about various things which she is scared to touch.

Im not entirely sure what triggers it, but I think the fact that she doesn't get the "toolbox" view you can swipe up. I've had to help her with turning wifi back on, or screen becoming to dim.

I wouldnt be surpised if it is the swipe gestures that she randomly engages and all of the sudden the phone is doing something she didnt intend that makes her afraid of "breaking it".

Though, I havent actually tried to observe her usage.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by fauigerzigerk on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:59AM (#25197650)
All my main devices are Apple, but I also have a cheap Android phone, which I bought because I needed to use an app to read my passport chip at a time when Apple hadn't yet opened NFC to third party apps.

Android came with some positive usability surprises as well. For instance, the back button does something far more consistent than iOS's completely disjointed ways of going back. Also, iOS's separation of settings from the rest of the app never made any sense to me. That's fixed in Android.

But I don't think usability is what really matters. A far more important issue is ecosystem tie-in. A lot of great functionality the Apple ecosystem offers is exclusionary. Many Apple services are either unavailable or crippled on other platforms. If your friends, family and coworkers are not all Apple users you lose a lot of the benefits.

I can't even share iCloud photos with my wife or use FaceTime and Messages (beyond basic SMS). Her mp3 player supports Spotify but not Apple Music. She could easily afford any phone she likes, but she uses a 7 year old Nexus 5 because she just doesn't care. The only thing she might care about once the pandemic is over is battery life. But iPhones are nothing special at all in terms of battery life. And on the desktop she uses Linux because contrary to my Mac it supports running PyTorch and TensorFlow on the Nvidia GPU.

So we always look for cross platform options and some of the more popular ones are better integrated in Android than in iOS (such as Google, obviously, but also to a lesser degree Microsoft). I'm not subscribing to any Apple services for fear of not being able to share them with others.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by thebruce87m on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @03:02PM (#25202433)
Oh god, the Android back button. You just triggered my PTSD. You got all of the iOS “back” variations plus an extra “surprise me” hardware button that would sometimes even exit the app.

Hopefully that’s changed in the 5 years since I’ve tried android.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by underlines on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @04:39AM (#25196843)
I am Swiss and for many countrymen the wallet is big enough, that we're even called an iPhone nation. But I moved to Android after iPhone 2, because I was fed up with the funny limitations Apple imposed on me, for "consistency" and "security", like:

- forcing me to sync music in iTunes, with my 500GB personal music library crashing iTunes

- no mms support, back when this was still a thing

- no video recording

- no file access

- no copy/paste functionality

later, owning a MacBook Pro in 2016, reminded me of those funny decisions Apple made for me, like no CMD+X for cutting files, no real full-screen button and regular kernel panics when connecting/disconnecting my multiple screens and MIDI devices for music production.

I since completely turned away from Apple and I am happy. Not because of my wallet, but because of the freedom of choice I gained. As a plus, yes my wallet has more left for other stuff now.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by sgt on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:15AM (#25197417)
I understand and appreciate your argument, but I would like to point out that those limitations are no longer an issue. I find it more annoying to help someone in the Android world to so basic things like finding an app or changing settings, because the UI is so bizarrely inconsistent across versions of Android and models and makes. To give a recent example, a friend could not figure out to toggle WiFi on/off on his Lenovo, because when swiping the screen from above, only other things appear. One has to swipe twice, then the status bar grows and shows the WiFi symbol.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by mindslight on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:07AM (#25199083)
Yes, those of us who choose Android to gain some control over our tracking devices are likely to carry more cash for the privacy and autonomy benefits it brings.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by somehnguy on Monday November 23, 2020 @05:45PM (#25192848)
Same boat here. From the iPhone 3G to the 6 I was always jailbroken, including even the tethered jailbreaks.

Then at some point I just stopped caring. It's so much effort to keep up with this stuff (same reason I don't use Android devices, with all the alternative firmwares and such). My stock iOS device is about as reliable as a device can get and I'm relatively happy making the complete freedom tradeoff. I'm not sure how bad of a thing that is however.

Occasionally I'll want to do something like spoof my location and get annoyed that it's not easy. But I just...don't care 99% of the time.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by SulfurHexaFluri on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:18AM (#25195840)
I'm like you, there are things I would like to do with my phone that I am prevented from doing but the alternative is too much effort and I don't care enough to take it.

It does seem that slowly iOS/ipadOS is getting more fully featured as they try to make the ipad a real laptop alternative.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by teddyh on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:17PM (#25193077)
I’ve got a feature you can only get on an iPhone by jailbreaking: Being a general-purpose computer
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by crubier on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:20PM (#25193107)
Yes exactly and this is why I have a MacBook, which has a keyboard and a trackpad and a decent screen. I don’t want my phone to be a general purpose computer. Not everything has to be that.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by ryandrake on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:35PM (#25193252)
Yea, it seems like purely a philosophical goal for people anymore. Just because something has a CPU, that doesn’t make it a general purpose computer. There just doesn’t seem to be any practical benefit anymore.

I remember when I was younger, and I felt this odd moral imperative to having root on any device I had that I knew ran an operating system of some sort. Once I succeeded, then... well, nothing. It was pointless. Oh, wow I got Linux running on my PlayStation 2! Root login, baby! Look, it’s X Windows!! I have harnessed the power of the machine and am finally that much closer to..... well, nothing a PC can’t already do better.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by alickz on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:48AM (#25197586)
Back when I had a jailbroken iPhone (4S I believe) there were many useful, or just cool, jailbreak tweaks.

Notable ones I remember where:

1. SBSettings, basically control center before Apple added the control center.

2. Flux, before Apple added Night Mode (or whatever they call it)

3. Winterboard, for theming the phone in ways

4. Gameboy emulator, though now I think this can be done without jailbreak.

5. Unlocking the carrier.

6. File explorer

I'm sure there was more too.

For me jailbreaking is partly a philosophical goal, but also I just like seeing all the stuff people come up with when they aren't restrained by the walls of the garden.

If you read above you'll see most of the good jailbreak tweaks were brought into stock iOS at some point, which is great too. Let jailbroken users/devs try new things and if they work well bring them in with some Apple polish.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by kinjba11 on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:55PM (#25193458)
Why do you need two devices? iPhone hardware is faster than many laptops. In 2020 I should be able to trivially attach a external monitor, keyboard, trackpad, etc. to my phone and compile code on iOS for iOS. The fact that I can't is nothing more than the current zeitgeist. A laptop at this point should just be a big battery/screen/trackpad I attach to my phone.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by fastball on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:23PM (#25194595)
People tried that I think and nobody really liked it.

Can't remember who did it, but seemed like the consensus at the time was that all you end up with is the worst of both worlds.

Hybrid devices only rarely end up successful it seems.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by tim-- on Monday November 23, 2020 @10:47PM (#25195074)
Samsung still does it (Dex)

https://www.samsung.com/us/explore/dex/

It's actually really good. I can wirelessly turn my TV into a 4K Android tablet, and with a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, it turns into a computer.

Same with a USB cable plugged into my desk's monitor to HDMI. If I didn't require a computer for development, I would not buy computers any more.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by tejinderss on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @05:41PM (#25203865)
> It's actually really good. I can wirelessly turn my TV into a 4K Android tablet

Wireless Dex is limited to 1080p and wired one goes to max 1440p

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by mrtksn on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:01AM (#25195424)
If it’s any good, why does not take over the world?
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by tim-- on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:27AM (#25195577)
I'm guessing it was Samsung neutering the platform. They never have really given too much time to advertising the capabilities of the platform (for example, no displays in their stores demoing the "phone as a desktop" capability).

The Samsung DeX Station (https://www.samsung.com/au/galaxy-s8-accessories/dex-station...) is no longer manufactured which is a massive let down. It does however still work with the S10+, and I presume the S20. The ability send a network cable straight to the phone was pretty handy for a few situations.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by o-__-o on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:51AM (#25195691)
Samsung has stores?

My mom refuses to use dex, I found it to be great as a basic workstation. Definitely removes the need for eg a chrome book. Does not replace your power user machine however

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by tim-- on Thursday November 26, 2020 @07:45PM (#25224641)
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by lmm on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:11AM (#25195486)
The HTC phone-shell-thing didn't really work, but that was more because it gave a bad experience as a laptop - both at the hardware level (phone-in-shell not being as stable or nice-feeling as a normal laptop) and the software level (non-x86 laptops kind of suck in terms of software availability).

Samsung's Dex dock thingy still exists and can be useful when travelling - most hotel rooms you can plug into the TV with HDMI, so a phone and keyboard is less trouble than carrying a full laptop. If you could rely on finding a keyboard (even just a USB one) in any hotel room it would be a lot better. And hopefully with apple shifting to ARM there'll be a lot more desktop software that runs properly on phone processors.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by icelancer on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:34PM (#25194652)
Should just be able to virtualize Linux/Windows inside of it. Eventually phones will be more than powerful enough to do that and we'll hotdesk with dumb terminals + phones.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by teddyh on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @03:30AM (#25196462)
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by com2kid on Monday November 23, 2020 @10:28PM (#25194976)
Motorola did it and Microsoft did it.

I think Samsung may have also given it a go.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by grahamburger on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:16AM (#25195520)
But why? If you're going to carry around a battery/screen/track pad anyway, why not just attach a CPU to it?
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by teddyh on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:30PM (#25193206)
I’ve got a policy: If something is a general-purpose computer for someone else, but not for me, that is not a device for me. iPhones fall squarely in that category: They’re general-purpose computers for Apple, but not for the ostensible “owners” of these devices.

Of course (as I wrote here three years ago¹), a non-programmable dumb/feature phone without updateability would also be adequate for my personal needs for what I need a phone for.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15358342#15366260

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by tptacek on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:41PM (#25193307)
I don't understand the logic here. You seem to be saying that it's better to have a featurephone than a modern phone if you can't load arbitrary code on the modern phone, but that logic, applied broadly, would serve almost no consumers well.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by teddyh on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:49PM (#25193393)
I said nothing of the kind. I expressed a personal policy and preference, and I did not mention “consumers”.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by m4rtink on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:54PM (#25193444)
Actually, I can imagine a modern "dumpphone" being a preaty nice think - make it say in a classic candybar shape and make sure it has good time on battery & can be used as wifi hotspot/mobile modem over USB.

Application could be very basic (calendar, address book, calculator, alarm, etc.) - by default. Or users could make their own simple apps - nothing fancy, Arduino like cooperative multitasking, simple screen drawing, maybe a few widget helpers.

I can imagine this being a fun thing to use & play with. :)

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by c22 on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:19PM (#25194127)
You want the Nokia 8110 "banana phone" [0], a re-release of the phone Neo uses in The Matrix. Unfortunately there's no US version :(

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Nokia-8110-TA-1067-2-45-inches-Unlock...

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by dane-pgp on Monday November 23, 2020 @11:55PM (#25195388)
It's the best, beats the rest, cellular, modular, interactivodular.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:26PM (#25194178)
So are you intentionally hinting at the Light Phone, or is it news to you that someone has implemented exactly what you're describing? :) (https://www.thelightphone.com/)
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by m4rtink on Thursday November 26, 2020 @11:56AM (#25221622)
First time seeing that, but it comes preatty close!

Still, being able to write your own apps for it would be nice. Even if very low level APIs & you would have to handle distribution yourself if you wanted to share them would be fine. But I don't see any information about that after quickly checking their page.

BTW, a simple mobile terminal with cellular connection that you can program could be preatty useful in comparison to hacking a regular Android phone to only do what you need could be useful as well. For stuff like single use online terminals to give to field crews.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by m4rtink on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:50PM (#25193402)
Well, on modern Android phones you can connect a keyboard and a mouse not to mention often a big screen.

Making a smartphone that does not behave as a general purpose computer is stuping and not to mention dangerous (as the manufacturer can always use it as a general purpose computer for its own nefarious means).

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by spijdar on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:58PM (#25193968)

  > as the manufacturer can always use it as a general purpose computer for its own nefarious means
This is assuming the device is, in fact, a general purpose computer. This is true now basically all of the time, but it doesn't have to be.

I can imagine as a thought experiment an ASIC or FPGA based phone that implements a very high level application processor, while what we normally call firmware, OS and libraries are implemented in "pure hardware".

(I agree with your sentiment, but somewhat disagree with your apparent conclusion android phones are any better if you're worried about bad actors -- the baseband and DSP from Qualcomm are processors running code we can never touch underlying the entire hardware. Similarly, almost all other computer hardware have separate CPUs inside the main CPU where the mfc. runs their own secret code which cannot be tampered with or even directly seen sometimes)

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by m4rtink on Thursday November 26, 2020 @11:50AM (#25221540)
Oh, no question about Android being more secure from bad actors - there are most likely multiple parties that could be problematic (Google, device manufacturer, baseband manufacturer, network operator, etc.) while with Apple its just a single such entity.

What I meant is that on Android There is less being done to actively prevent their usage as a self hosting workstation (though some recent "security" changes communig from Google related to running code that does not come from an installed APK might be a reversal of that trend).

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by wwright on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:09PM (#25194496)
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by snazz on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:42PM (#25193860)
You can use a keyboard and mouse on recent iOS versions as well (and it works very comfortably on iPadOS). You can also connect an adapter to use a big screen.

I disagree with your argument that smartphones should be general-purpose computers. I don't think that having a smartphone be a general-purpose computer provides a significantly improved amount of control for 99.9% of the population.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by xg15 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @05:50PM (#25203934)
I get that being able to run arbitrary code on a device is often not that important in practice.

How about being able to not run any code that you don't want your device to run? No DRM, no nag screens, no tracking, etc etc...

A non-rooted phone very much is a general-purpose computer, just not for you.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by jrsj on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:05PM (#25200373)
For now, and still in a very limited capacity. But I absolutely think a desktop mode powered by an iPhone is coming. It's almost certainly being tested at Apple, and the move to Apple Silicon only makes it more likely that this will happen. It seems reasonable that an iPhone or iPad could run containerized Mac applications in this mode. Which to me could be the biggest expansion to access to computing since the smartphone itself if it were to become popular.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by MattRix on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:44AM (#25195665)
I just switched back to iOS (iPhone 12 Pro) after using Android for 3 years, and there are a lot of things iOS does poorly, notifications being the most glaring one IMO.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by alickz on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:52AM (#25197608)
Yeah I'm surprised by how poor iOS notifications are.

A feature I really like on Android is being able to block specific notification channels for any given app.

Want to receive notifications when your Uber is near, but don't want to receive marketing notifications? Just disable the Marketing channel in the Uber notification settings.

Of course it relies on devs to correctly mark their notification channels, but I haven't found many apps that don't.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by o-__-o on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:48AM (#25195678)
iPhone user for only the last 2 years here. Yes it does ಠ_ಠ
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by piracy1 on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:21PM (#25193668)
The biggest thing IMO is for security research, given the intense walled garden, it's increasingly required to do any sort of poking around.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by snazz on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:45PM (#25193877)
If you're a notable security researcher, Apple has the program for you: https://developer.apple.com/programs/security-research-devic...

That's their "official solution" to the problem, even if it's somewhat exclusionary.

For the rest of us, a checkm8'ed iPhone X works great.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by saagarjha on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:02PM (#25194457)
If you're a notable security researcher, there's a good chance that the rules of that program will drive you away from applying.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by snazz on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:51PM (#25194765)
True! If I remember correctly, Project Zero had this exact issue.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by piracy1 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:29PM (#25205368)
Oh wow I didn't know about that. That's neat. I wonder if it's like a NYC CCW in that in theory you can get one but you cant really. I should try to get one. In theory I tick all the boxes (a bit of a stretch).

To be eligible for the Security Research Device Program, you must:

Be a membership Account Holder in the Apple Developer Program. I used to be, I could be again.

Have a proven track record of success in finding security issues on Apple platforms, or other modern operating systems and platforms. I have a CVE in Signal for IOS, and some embedded device shit.

Be based in an eligible country or region.* I am that.

Participation is not available if you are:

In any U.S. embargoed countries, on the U.S. Treasury Department’s list of Specially Designated Nationals, on the U.S. Department of Commerce Denied Persons List or Entity List, or on any other restricted party lists. I am not that.

Under the legal age of majority in the jurisdiction in which you reside (18 years of age in many countries). I am not that.

Employed by Apple currently or in the last 12 months.} I am not that.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by callesgg on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:26PM (#25193167)
The one thing iOS does not have call recording. I want to be able to record some of my calls, which is something I discovered when I got a call from a man threatening me, would be nice to have in court. It would be a really nice feature.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by codazoda on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:31PM (#25193218)
I used to record all my android calls, keep them around for 7 days, then delete them (unless I flagged them as important). These were VERY GOOD for things like customer service.

Android also dropped the ability to do this for a while (the the apps I was using died) and I haven't tried again in a long time. Maybe I'll look again.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by mvanbaak on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:40PM (#25193304)
While it would be a fun thing to have, in most parts of the world you have to inform the other party BEFORE you are going to record calls. Probably the reason apple left it out.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by heavyset_go on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:49PM (#25194362)
There are plenty of places where it is legal to record calls, and in the others you simply need to inform the other party of the recording.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by m463 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @07:09AM (#25197691)
"calls are recorded for quality purposes".

I think some folks are starting to match up names and voices, audible fingerprints anyone?

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by c22 on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:23PM (#25194152)
If you get a Google Voice account you can record ongoing calls by pressing "4".
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by o-__-o on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:03AM (#25195757)
Only on inbound calls
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by nubbins on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:33PM (#25193238)
The best feature for me was being able to use carplay with youtube to watch videos, instead of the limited handful of apps that iOS paternalistically limits you too.

Ultimately it wasn't worth the hassle to keep up (and now as a bonus I'm stuck and can't update or un jailbreak).

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by colejohnson66 on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:48PM (#25193376)
I mean, there’s a very good reason that YouTube doesn’t support CarPlay (or the other way around): distracted driving.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by anoncake on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:35AM (#25198271)
That is a very good reason to think twice before using Carplay, it is not a valid reason to restrict what the user can do.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by colejohnson66 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:55AM (#25198412)
I think it’s more that Apple has to follow the laws of the land and could get into some very hot water if they “encouraged” distracted driving by allowing it.

The big problem with letting the user decide to do something like this is that distracted driving doesn’t affect just you, but everyone around you. There’s a reason drunk driving is illegal: you’re a danger to others on the road. Hence why being a drunk passenger is fine; you’re not a danger to the other drivers on the road.

So, should Apple be restricting what the user can do with their device? Depends on who you ask. But when it comes to distracted driving, it’s pretty well agreed that it’s wrong.

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Now, if you still want to watch YouTube while driving, you actually can. Just load up the YouTube app on your phone and hit play. They don’t stop you. Apple just won’t let you put it on your car’s screen.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by nubbins on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @11:02PM (#25205927)
I understand Apple's likely concerns about encouraging distracted driving. As a cyclist and motorcyclist I take distracted driving seriously and don't actually watch youtube videos while driving (just listen).

My issue with this argument though is that the cat is already out of the bag- by blocking youtube on a larger screen, and similarly not allowing Siri to play youtube via voice commands Apple may claim they are doing it for safety, but in reality all is does is make people manually fiddle with their phone or watch a video on a smaller screen. I just don't believe there is any real world safety benefit to the paternalistic blocking.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by anoncake on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @03:21AM (#25207030)
I don't blame Apple if it only restricts Carplay where it is legally required to. Is that the case?
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by withinboredom on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @07:36AM (#25197871)
I used to put my iPad on the passenger dash at night and watch a movie on the windshield while I drove. I was driving across the country, for many hours a day. The trick is not to focus on the movie unless something is happening that requires being looked at (hinted by the music).

This kept me awake, and I’d hardly have called it a distraction unless you would rather me pass out at the wheel.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by colejohnson66 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @11:20AM (#25199818)
The “correct” course of action if you’re dozing off while driving is to pull off the road and go to sleep. If you’re in the middle of nowhere, there’s bound to be a truck stop on the side somewhere. Studies have shown that driving drowsy is the same as or even worse than driving drunk.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by withinboredom on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:39PM (#25204318)
I wasn’t drowsy, just bored. You can only listen to so much music.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by jbamuro on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:49PM (#25194357)
The biggest reason for me is to block ads on social media apps. Many of them have no way of blocking the ads (either through pi-hole or a subscription for example).

The other reason is to hide obnoxious features I'd never use that serve as screen clutter (such as stories in messenger)

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by proverbialbunny on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:29PM (#25202083)
Do you have a preferred ad blocker?
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by jbamuro on Monday November 30, 2020 @03:18PM (#25258422)
you need to have to use app specific tweaks, the best author i've found is haoict
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by proverbialbunny on Monday November 30, 2020 @06:28PM (#25260400)
I'll check it out, thanks. So you know, I have used system wide ad blocking to great success before, but years later and I had forgotten what I had installed. So, I know they exist.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by trianglem on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:33PM (#25193239)
I have a grandfathered unlimited internet plan that they won’t allow me to run a hotspot against so I haven’t had a choice.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by endgame on Monday November 23, 2020 @08:30PM (#25194220)
And how did we get to that state? By having jailbreaks show everyone what the phone was actually capable of, and Apple had to be dragged along to what the customers actually wanted.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by meerita on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:51AM (#25196249)
I jailbreaked to use the iPhone in europe, with any carrier and to use apps that weren't accepted in iOS back then. Now I don't have this need anymore, in fact my phone has the bare minimum set of apps to run.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by josteink on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:42AM (#25196215)
> Not sure about others but it’s been many years since I felt the need to jailbreak my iOS devices.

Until iOS14 you actually had no way to set another default browser and email-client.

With that fixed, I find iOS actually half way usable.

Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by angry_octet on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:56AM (#25196276)
But it isn't really a different browser, it's all Safari underneath. And Safari is deliberately crippled.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by josteink on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @03:39AM (#25196502)
But it has different user-experience, different sync-backends, and in general enough things to be of high importance.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by Hamuko on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:38AM (#25195631)
Can I disable the random volume drops that Apple forced on me in iOS 14? Because that would get me interested.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by underseacables on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:54PM (#25193440)
I would jail break just to have 5 icons in the dock again.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by HIP_HOP on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:50AM (#25195984)
True. I also don't have a need to jailbreak anymore.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by vaccinator on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:09PM (#25193012)
Cant you install a browser that is not Safari by jailbreaking? I dont know because I avoid Apple.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by jdofaz on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:18PM (#25193085)
No, you can install Chrome or Firefox but they are still just wrappers around webkit
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by vaccinator on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:15PM (#25193612)
Even if you jailbreak? Poor apple fans....
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by kall on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:36PM (#25193795)
There‘s probably no one who has gone to the trouble of porting a browser engine for only the sake of running on jailbroken devices.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by SulfurHexaFluri on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:19AM (#25195850)
You could if chrome or firefox actually had a specific ios jailbreak app. But why on earth would they dedicate the resources to building a whole app that hardly anyone would be able to use.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by evad3r on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:24PM (#25193692)
I mean for the most part, I doubt the average Apple fan is going to care.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by sevencolors on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:13PM (#25193045)
Yeah you can run Firefox (or others) as your default browser now
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by bch on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:16PM (#25193070)
Notably, only w the latest iOS update a few weeks ago
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by vaccinator on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:18PM (#25193089)
They are no longer required to use Safari's engine in the background?
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by evad3r on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:24PM (#25193695)
It's still Safari's engine but the web browser can built their own functionality on top of it, like content blocking, tab sync etc.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by saagarjha on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:07PM (#25194482)
Content blocking functionality is not exposed to third-party browsers.
Re:A new jailbreak for a new era by mattwad on Monday November 23, 2020 @05:52PM (#25192884)
Same here, but with Android. Since at least a few major versions back!