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> The timing of these price cut discussions says to me OpenAI has no imminent release that will be edging out Mythos/Fable.

Initially I had the same thought but I think this might actually have more to do with Fable being removed from the Claude subscription later this month. At that point it becomes cost prohibitive to use for most tasks anyways & this is the perfect opportunity to compete on price, especially given enterprise customers are already looking to improve spend management

This is true of course and I don’t think these heavily subsidized plans will be around forever, but at the same time OpenAI is just less compute constrained than Anthropic right now as well so they’re in a stronger position to be able to offer these subsidies.

GPT models are also generally more token efficient right now and that helps too — you can go a lot further on a $20 subscription with Codex than Claude Code as a result of this.

Ultimately I think many day to day tasks just need to shift away from the latest frontier models towards models that are faster, cheaper, and still perform well enough & you can phase out subsidies while keeping total cost reasonable.

It’s gotten better within the last month or so but historically there’s been an excessive amount of anti-OAI and pro-Anthropic activity on this site as well and I’ve seen numerous posts get downvoted and almost instantly flagged for calling this out more politely than you have here.

So at least anecdotally I really don’t think it’s fair to portray this as OAI doing some sort of social media psyop as if others aren’t engaged in similar behavior.

It’s also very possible that this user just has opinions and tends to think OAI is more developer friendly / that Anthropic is hostile to developers (which is common sentiment I’ve seen from many real people who are definitely not paid OAI shills or something)

Actually partly yes, my grandmother was. That isn’t the point though, I just have an expectation that people should be treated fairly and not discriminated against regardless of their background and frankly many people who come here particularly from South Asia do not hold those values at all, and I’ve seen this negatively impact Americans from many different ethnic backgrounds.

Yeah personally I’d prefer if hordes of foreigners didn’t come here, form ethnic mafias, take over our corporations, and blatantly discriminate against anyone who isn’t part of their in group without consequences. We’ve allowed this bullshit to go on for over 20 years.

Do you have anything substantive to add to this?

If you’re letting Claude code just handle secrets like this you’re already fucked from a security standpoint so I don’t really see the big deal here

Today it was the Vercel plugin but if you’re letting an LLM agent with access to bash and the internet read truly sensitive information then you’re already compromised

Israel has a disproportionately large amount of tech companies for its size and he took one photo with their leader.

I have no idea why everyone on the internet wants to endlessly seethe about this & personally attack Guillermo for it as if he’s endorsed their foreign policy or something

I would switch to Cursor 3 in a heartbeat if it supported Claude Agent SDK (w/ Claude Max subscription usage) and/or Codex the way that similar tools like Conductor do

And I would happily pay a seat based subscription fee or usage fees for cloud agents etc on top of this

Unfortunately very locked into these heavily subsidized subscription plans right now but I think from a product design and vision standpoint you guys are doing the best work in this space right now

If things continue to get worse I really worry how many people might give up on life entirely. A lot of people in this industry don’t have a whole lot else going on for them, myself included.

I grinded my 20s away trying to have a successful career and if that just gets pulled out from under me I’ve got absolutely nothing.

These are kind of unrelated issues. You’re right that it used to be companies just didn’t want to be involved in war at all, & generally speaking that isn’t going to cause issues.

The core of the issue here is having a private company which is trying to dictate terms of use to the military, which is not really something that has been done before afaik

Originally this contract was signed with these terms included, and it wasn’t until Anthropic started investigating how its tech was used by Palantir in the Maduro operation that this became an issue.

On a surface level it seems like Anthropic is doing the right thing here but this is really at the root of this & the outcome of the case (and whether or not Anthropic is a legitimate supply chain risk) depends entirely on the details of those conversations they had with Palantir.

They would never do this because the entire point of the company is to try and control what AI is allowed to do, who is allowed to use it, and what they’re allowed to do with it. The overarching philosophy of Anthropic is explicitly opposed to open models. If it were up to them it would be illegal to inference them in the U.S.

I am in the exact opposite position — I am such an Anthropic hater (bc I’m forced to use Claude Code instead of OpenCode against my will) that I am now pro-Trump

(this is a joke, please forgive me for engaging in public wrongthink)

It’s hard to say exactly what prompted the decision but they banned people paying $200/mo without warning & without any reasonable appeal system in place. It’s a Google form that is itself reviewed by some automated system that may or may not ever get back to you.

This was already an ongoing issue prior to 3rd party tools using Claude subscriptions, there are reports of false positive automated bans going back for several months.

I have not seen or heard of this happening w/ Codex, and rather than trying to shut down 3rd party tools that want to integrate with their ecosystem they have worked with those projects to add official support.

I’m more impressed with Codex as a product in general as well. Their new desktop app is great & feels an order of magnitude better than Claude’s.

Overall HN crowd seems heavily biased in favor of Anthropic (or maybe just against OpenAI?) but IMO Anthropic needs to take a step back and reset. If they keep on the current path of just making small iterative improvements to Claude Code and Claude Desktop they are going to fall very far behind.

There’s plenty of straightforward reasons why OpenAI would want to do this, it doesn’t need to be some sort of malicious conspiracy.

I think it’s good PR (particularly since Anthropics actions against OpenCode and Clawdbot were somewhat controversial) + Peter was able to build a hugely popular thing & clearly would be valuable to have on the team building something along the lines of Claude Cowork. I would expect these future products to be much stronger from a security standpoint.

As an example, this is the exact type of thing Anthropic doesn’t want you to be able to build with Claude & it’s why they want you on their proprietary tooling:

https://builders.ramp.com/post/why-we-built-our-background-a...

Yes but why are they subsidizing the pricing and requiring to use their closed source client to benefit from it? It’s the same reason the witch in the story of Hansel and Gretel was giving out free candy.

They wouldn’t require you to use their closed source client if they weren’t planning on using it to extract value from you later. It’s still early & a lot more capabilities are going to be coming to these tools in the coming months. Claude Code or an equivalent will be a full IDE replacement and a lot of the integration and automation mechanisms are going to be proprietary. Want to offload some of that to the cloud? Claude Code Web is your only option. Someone else drops a better model or a model that’s situationally better at certain types of tasks? You can’t use it unless you move everything off of that stack.

I’m starting to think you’re right but only because software engineers don’t seem to actually value or care about open source anymore. Apparently we have collectively forgotten how bad it can be to let your tools own you instead of the other way around.

Maybe another symptom of Silicon Valley hustle culture — nobody cares about the long term consequences if you can make a quick buck.

If you’ve only got a CLAUDE.md and sub agent definitions in markdown it is pretty easy to do at the moment, although more of their feature set is moving in a direction that doesn’t have 1:1 equivalents in other tools.

The client is closed source for a reason and they issued DMCA takedowns against people who published sourcemaps for a reason.

By only supporting their own cloud service for remote execution & slowly adding more and more proprietary integration points that are incompatible with other tools.

It might make sense from Anthropics perspective but as a user of these tools I think it would be a huge mistake to build your workflow around Claude Code when they are pushing vendor lock in this aggressively.

Making this mistake could end up being the AI equivalent of choosing Oracle over Postgres

The people defending Anthropic because “muh terms of service” are completely missing the point. These are bad terms. You should not accept these terms and bet the future of your business on proprietary tooling like this. It might be a good deal right now, but they only want to lock you in so that they can screw you later.

Altman really is a generational bullshit artist. Exaggerating the value of his talent while pretending he hasn't already lost a lot of his most valuable people (he has).

It makes sense he focuses on Meta in this interview -- his other competitors actually have taken some of his top talent and are producing better models than GPT now.

I will definitely check this out, thanks.

There is technology that can greatly benefit solopreneurs, but it isn’t AI. It’s just an evolution of the same tech that has been a huge benefit to early stage projects for awhile now. Knowing what you’re doing with highly productive tools like Rails or Laravel or whatever your preference is going to have a far greater impact than some LLM will.

Yeah I really don’t get why people keep hyping AI like this. It really doesn’t make things go that much faster. At best you’re able to generate prototypes more quickly + get better autocomplete. Nothing particularly revolutionary there.

Anyone claiming a generalized 100x, 10x, or even 2x productivity gain is either delusional or trying to sell you something. Possibly both.

The companies saying they are reducing the size of their workforce because of gains they’re getting from AI are probably just telling investors what they want to hear while cutting costs for the same reason they always have.

I don’t know what news you’ve all been reading, but I don’t see anything about Trump cancelling the CHIPS Act. The 2 main things I’ve seen is trying to get TSMC to take over Intels manufacturing, and wanting to remove things like union labor requirements from the CHIPS Act.