I've heard it widely described as reducing mental noise around food.

Eating healthy food alone isn't solution, you need to make your life active as well.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/glycemic-index-vs-load-521436...

Blood sugars spikes then drops can have different impacts on food appetite.

Moreover, you dont need to eat anywhere close to 5k to be morbidly obese.

1 cup of roast nuts over TDEE will gain you 100lbs in a couple short years

TDEE rises as body weight rises (heavier body burns more)

Overfeeding increases NEAT in some people (more fidgeting, movement)

In some video a woman was eating 8-10 Oranges a day just as a snack on the side.

No knowledge about sugar or calroies, just the thought "but its a fruit its health". No fruits are not healthy

Its an issue if you drink orange juice not when you eat it. Eating takes longer and is getting balanced from the fiber.

Yes. Fruits are healthy. One orange is healthy. 10 oranges are unhealthy. Same concept applies to water. Drinking too much can be unhealthy as well, but that doesn't change the fact that water is good.

You made that up tho.

10 oranges have a total of roughly 700 calories and 120 grams of sugar while only having 30 grams of fiber. It's mainly sugar. Eating 10 oranges per day crowds out protein, fat and other nutrients.

It's not a made up claim. You are a made up claim, troll.

I know it ends up as pedantry, but specifying the period with every post/restatement is so critical in these threads. 10 oranges a day is unhealthy, but so is 10 oranges a year to someone trying to make a counter point.

A diet can be healthy if it's the nutrient combination of different foods that result in certain number of calories, protein, fat, carbs, minerals and vitamins per unit of time.

Healthy in a way, but surprisingly a lot of sugar ( either added or from the fruits)

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/139/6/e20170...

>Pediatricians should support policies that seek to reduce the consumption of fruit juice and promote the consumption of whole fruit by toddlers and young children already exposed to juices.

It's a lot harder, as many of the comments mentioned, because of caloric density and lack of appetite hacks (sugar, salt).

A can of Mountain Dew is 170 kcal + 46g of sugar.

A navel orange is ~75 kcal + 13g of sugar + 3.2g of fiber + 1.25g of protein.

So take someone from Appalachia with a 4 can / day habit (modest), and that's ~10-12 oranges. That's a lot of oranges to not get sick of eating.

Which is where I think the sugar + salt difference comes in.

It's far easier to overload on the same food when it's stuffed with these appetite attractants than a caloric equivalent of healthy food, because the health food will taste more similar (read: like itself), which will eventually get boring.

if you one broccoli head with one pound of icecream then sure, you will feel hungry again quite soon

If you have a stomach and appetite that are capable of consuming the 15 to 20 lb you need to eat 3,500 to 4,000 calories of similar foods, you ought to call a research lab

1) you didnt eat the most calorie dense foods

2) you dont need crazy calories to get fat, just above your burn rate.

What part are you confused about?

Long before LLMs, there was a different but similarly misguided hype around making food more convenient. Making money off ignorance is not "innovation", but we live in a world convinced by arrogant and pretentious fearmongering liars.

As always, just do it yourself. It's not that hard after all.

Addiction-like behaviors related to food transcend not only human culture but also even other species.

Do you know what nutrients are? Deficiencies are the cause of the noise. This is an evolutionary feature, not a bug. Your body is expecting you to keep eating alternatives until you eventually stumble onto the foods that make you feel better and then keep eating those. In severe cases you might need more patience with the right foods, but if you already feel like crap and you know you just started barely eating healthier, why stop now?

This search process has been somewhat disrupted by our modern environment, but it's not like the good food isn't right there. On the other hand, you don't need trial and error anymore. There's plenty of information available. You can even go see a doctor and get a blood test to confirm both your deficiencies and everything else I just said.

Does that answer your question?

EDIT: to reply to replies below and I am "posting too fast"...

TLDR: Y'all need to see a doctor.

I used to weigh 400 lbs, had a bad enough drinking problem to cause numbness in my legs (B12 deficiency to boot), and a sky high A1C. I recovered 100% after a decade of this self abuse. Doctor didn't bat an eye back then nor when I recovered a couple of years later. They see it all the time and my "success" story is very common. Most of us understandably find this all too embarrassing to shout about online. We'd get drowned out by influencers trying to sell you crap anyway.

Also, sorry not trying to be callous, but long term deficiencies can cause permanent damage. If you're still experiencing "food noise" after a serious attempt at a planned diet (and magically never had any other symptoms warning you of the impending damage) I have some doubts, but that's a whole different topic.

Anecdotally: no, it doesn't. Maybe it did for you. I spent most of a year once on a predesigned meal plan, and the only thing it changed about the low-key but constant food noise was better knowing when I had a safe margin to indulge a little bit.

I just eat too much of it, because food tastes good and it's a source of dopamine for me. Like most people with food noise.

Also when I get up and finish eating, within 30 minutes my brain is thinking what's going to be the next meal I eat. Food noise.

Yes, some people can lose massive amounts of weight by "just eting right", my brother in law lost 20kg by just not drinking beer anymore. I haven't had a beer in 3 years and didn't lose a single kg. Food noise.

Agreed, and often the root cause is something else in a person’s life (stress, feelings of losing control etc ).

Adding new labels related to food doesn’t do anything to fix the underlying conditions and if anything distracts from them and points the blame at food and physiology, which is not often the root cause of over or under eating.

the perpetrators are the people selling poison under false auspices.

we're not blaming people with pica for eating drywall.

We're blaming profiteers for shoveling garbage into the mouth of anyone with a buck while systematically lobbying to maximize garbage advertising and minimize actual food where feasible and simultaneously incentivizing sales groups as much as is profitable -- all the while trying to convince medical professionals and scientists to produce overtly narrow results to support the public consumption through bogus 'science' papers.

Go into any western supermarket and there are massive aisles of fruit and veg, along with various types of protein.

None of these eating disorders are new. If anything it is far easier to be healthy now.

But in my experience, decreased cravings make it easier to choose food rationally. The food noise that causes people to overeat usually doesn’t cause them to overeat healthy foods anyway.

"Food noise" is much more than just craving calories, we have cravings for most of the different nutrients we need. That is how people ate a balanced diet in history even though it was much harder to do back then, peasants craved meat and vegetables even though it was easier to just eat potatoes for calories.

I think there’s a distinct difference between what people are describing as “food noise” and a normal appetite.

I also find drinking alcohol much less pleasant. I still drink sometimes but after a few beers or glasses of wine it starts to become very unappealing and I stop.

I do bodybuilding and I’m still getting my 150g of protein in.

I’m barely overweight and I’m losing weight very slowly but I’ve decided I’m likely to stay on GLP’s long term, if not forever, just because the lifestyle changes have been so incredibly good.

Perhaps this helps dispel the myth that GLP drugs inherently = relentless starvation.

I have a friend who was literally ordered, by a doctor, to eat as much fat as they could because they were too skinny. They're the type of person for whom food is 100% fuel and they can just stop mid-burger and not eat the second half because "they don't feel like it".

I'm not like that. Leaving half a burger that I paid for on the plate is something I've never done or even considered a possibility that any sane person would do.

Then add in a fast metabolism. Until middle age, I literally couldn't eat enough food that I remotely enjoyed to hit target weight for my height.

I guess the easiest way to describe my subjective experience is that the "You're hungry, eat" audio channel is turned waaay down in my brain, to the extent that anything moderately attention-capturing overrides it (a project, reading, hiking, tv, etc).

I'll feel the physical and psychological symptoms of hunger (body feels cold, irritable, low energy) before I'll feel the signal to eat.

I'd be fascinated to get my gut biome sequenced + see my natural GLP-1 levels, as I've always been like this.

You probably move much less than you used to. Metabolism slowing down with age is already known.

How many people you see with 3 eyes and 4 on regular basis to claim people are different? I'd argue most people aren't that different.

Calorie balance works for majority of people.

>I have a friend who was literally ordered, by a doctor, to eat as much fat as they could because they were too skinny. They're the type of person for whom food is 100% fuel and they can just stop mid-burger and not eat the second half because "they don't feel like it".

Here's a thing, most of the underweight people tell me they are genetically predisposed to not gaining weight. When I calculate calories in their regular diet, what I notice is a very low-calorie diet.

After that, I put them on calorie-dense shakes and high-intensity workouts, with light movement, and their appetite quickly starts growing as they start consuming healthy fats.

The same engine which starts this appetite can also have a "thermal runway" kind of mechanism where your appetite just becomes very large and it becomes harder to dial down.

The question is why reach that point?

Also the late night cravings are more specific: instead of vague "need to eat something", it's "I'd love a tomato" or "mmm yogurt" or "actually a load of carbs would hit the spot".

I can link to Wikipedia too. Which part is the straw man?