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Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by post_break on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:11AM (#32411330)
Good news I guess. But my electricity price literally doubled. My house insurance is up 30%. My gas bill is up by a lot. Have you seen the price of oreos? The $5 box at Taco Bell is my splurge and I'm trying to cut back on everything I can.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by lettergram on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:38AM (#32411718)
The inflation on food due to high fuel and fertilizer prices won’t really kick in until October -> February during harvest.

Next year food will be far higher, largely due to

- people skipping fertilizer a second year in a row

- the feed price increases from year prior will impact next years meat

- much of the cow herds have been reduced due to hay prices skyrocketing (but beef rates staying far lower, due to sell offs)

- if Ukraine doesn’t surrender, we can expect less food production and potential oil disruption to center Europe

- Russia is not likely to renew trade relationships baring a reparations for seizing assets. They produce much of the fertilizer and oil

- 10% reduction in nitrogen targets for EU countries and Canada will further reduce food production

Yeah, a drop here or there isn’t indicative of a major change in inflation. I don’t see how we can get lower general inflation in the next 3+ years. FED has said as much.

In way of an explanation, hay prices have tripled. It’s expected they’ll at least double again tin the next 12 months. That’s one of the feed for cattle. That’s a 6x expected increase to feed cattle (the largest expense). To put it in perspective, that’s likely going to mean $12-20/lb ground beef; $25-$30/lb steak in 18 months.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Balero on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:08AM (#32412210)
>- if Ukraine doesn’t surrender, we can expect less food production and potential oil disruption to center Europe

If Russia doesn't surrender. Don't put the responsibility of global food prices on the people being repressed and killed in their own homes. Do it on the aggressors and war criminals.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by lettergram on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:26AM (#32412530)
Lol I’m not “placing blame”

I’m stating what I see as facts. Russia will not surrender. The longer the Ukraine is in the war, the higher likelihood the people of Ukraine starve.

We can make an argument that they shouldn’t surrender. That’s a moral position.

I’m pointing out if we don’t figure it out within the next few months you’re not going to get the food from the region, as people are fighting over it. I don’t care who’s fault it is. We should recognize the situation so we can try to mitigate the issue.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by valeness on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:54AM (#32413022)
What the OP is saying is you could have phrased your comment like you did in your last paragraph here.

Nobody disagrees that until it ends the situation will create further instability; but it can end with Russia giving up or surrendering as well. There is no global objective truth that Russia will not surrender; so by saying "I'm just stating facts" you're actually making a normative claim instead of a descriptive one; which can be viewed as problematic.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by s1artibartfast on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:33PM (#32414721)
It is common and reasonable to exclude unlikely if conditions from statements.

They are just claiming that Russian concession is much less likely than a Ukrainian one, which I think many would agree with.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Balero on Thursday August 11, 2022 @06:40AM (#32423795)
How about:

If the war in Ukraine continues, we can expect less food production and potential oil disruption to center Europe.

No need to comment on how to get to this outcome, or thoughts about who will make a concession leading to a big conversation away from the main point of what you were trying to say.

Keep the if statement about exactly matters, not a secondary effect/cause.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by asah on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:00AM (#32413142)
Where do you get this "fact" that Russia won't surrender? More powerful armies have been forced to retreat from unsuccessful invasions.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by lettergram on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:33AM (#32413693)
I dont see any way Ukraine can win. There’s a lot of real information out there (military reports). I’m not going to dive into that and debate it. There are also many channels covering this topic mostly neutral:

Here’s one: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KILAY2miQdI

Here’s another: https://m.youtube.com/c/AlexanderMercourisReal

In short, for Russia to lose would be the end of Russia. They have to be seen as hitting their objectives (they’ve hit a few so far). Ukraine is massively out gunned, but has more manpower active. That said, I don’t see an outcome where Ukraine can regain any territory and will likely only lose more. That will further embolden Russia and will keep them from surrendering at the very least.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Balero on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:52AM (#32414060)
You are right there are lots of real information out there.

You have picked a 1. random unpopular youtube channel (which might be good, I couldn't verify anything from it, as I couldn't find who ran it, if you know I am happy to be proved wrong) and 2. A disbarred barrister https://twitter.com/markgaleotti/status/927087181532991489?l.... There is much better information to pick than this! Any information will have a bias, and if they claim to be neutral I personally get suspicious of what that bias is.

Your assertion that you can't see anyway for Ukraine to win is based on "If Russia loses, it would be the end of Russia". Well, if Ukraine loses it will be the end of Ukraine, so I guess by your logic Russia can't win either? (TBF, everyone losing to some degree is right with war).

I won't get drawn into a discussion about how the war will go. People qualified to make a guess have been wrong and wont make prediction. Neither of us is qualified, so I will not be weighing in on this except to say that unexpected things happen all the time in conflict.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by tim333 on Thursday August 11, 2022 @08:16AM (#32424551)
If you want a take from the former general in charge of US forces in Europe rather than randos and disbarred barristers, this stuff is more optimistic:

"Ukrainian forces could wipe out all of 'exhausted' Russian troops' territorial gains, retired US general says" https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-exhausted-russian-tr...

There was also an interesting take on the business before the war even started by Mikhail Khodarenok - ex-head ... of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, Colonel https://nvo.ng.ru/realty/2022-02-03/3_1175_donbass.html In Russian but Google translate works well. It points out a lot of difficulties that seem to have come to pass including:

>It is also worth recalling that the mighty Stalinist NKVD and the multi-million Soviet army fought the nationalist underground in Western Ukraine for more than 10 years. And now there is an option that the whole of Ukraine can easily go into the partisans. In addition, these formations can easily begin to operate already on the territory of Russia.

which seems to be playing out just now with stuff blowing up in Crimea and Belarus.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ailef on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:16PM (#32414435)
> Your assertion that you can't see anyway for Ukraine to win is based on "If Russia loses, it would be the end of Russia". Well, if Ukraine loses it will be the end of Ukraine, so I guess by your logic Russia can't win either? (TBF, everyone losing to some degree is right with war).

One big difference here is that Russia has nuclear weapons and Ukraine does not.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by daemoens on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:41PM (#32414865)
Nuclear weapons are too taboo to use for anything other than existential crises. Losing the war would be incredibly destabilizing, but as long as Ukraine doesn't suddenly start advancing to Moscow, they won't be used.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by asah on Thursday August 11, 2022 @02:36AM (#32422281)
Argumentation via hyperbole. The US lost in Vietnam and Afghanistan, so what.

There's zero indication that nuclear weapons are relevant.

80,000 casualties in 140 days is shocking and unsustainable for Russia.

If western accounts are correct, western military support is increasing the weapons imbalance, leading to greater Russian losses and fewer Ukrainian losses.

Finally, I'll point out that pundits have been calling doom for Ukraine from the start, and have all been wrong. So, the onus is on you at this point to "dive in and debate."

Or don't, and accept your downvotes lol. It's just social media.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by nradov on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:22PM (#32414531)
Ukraine can't win in the sense of achieving an outright battlefield victory and ejecting the Russian invaders. But NATO and the EU can keep Ukraine from losing by continuing to support them, and maintaining sanctions on Russia. This will bog down the bulk of Russia's expeditionary military capacity in a quagmire, just like with Afghanistan in the 1980's.

Unfortunately this will have some bad effects for the rest of the world in terms of food supplies, but it's a price worth paying to eliminate Russia as an effective geopolitical player for years to come. Remember that it's not just about Ukraine. If the rest of the civilized world pressures Ukraine into ceding territory to Russia as part of a peace settlement then next year Russia will try to take a little slice of Poland, a little slice of Estonia, etc.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by geoka9 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:48PM (#32414974)
Yes! Putin didn't start the war because everything is peachy in Russia. It was a controversial measure to buy time, but it worked in 2014 with Crimea. Nothing has changed in Russia since then, so there's no reason to think it will stop with Ukraine. Even Putin himself says he wants more.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by geoka9 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:34PM (#32414739)
> would be the end of Russia

It's not such a far-fetched idea. Russia (the empire) has been falling apart since 1991 (possibly even 1917, but that's a scale that doesn't matter much for the outcome of this war).

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by areyousure on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @03:08PM (#32416966)
Here's a curious moment from your linked video: https://youtu.be/KILAY2miQdI?t=373

> I believe -- and this is a personal belief here at MFAN [the channel name] -- that the United States is actively flying both F-22s and F-35s -- stealth aircraft -- over the combat area. And now, are they dropping ordnance on Russian targets? Difficult to say

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ailef on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:44AM (#32413928)
I don't understand what kind of bubble people are in if they think Russia is about to surrender soon.

According to the Western media they were running out of ammo in March, April, May and June. Meanwhile, with an incompetent army running out of supplies, they were apparently able to occupy 20% of Ukraine's territory.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Balero on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:57AM (#32414154)
To be clear. I agree with you, I doubt Russia will surrender any time soon.

The conclusion as far as food goes is that globally, plans should be made that do not count on any food from Ukraine, or Russia entering global markets.

I just took umbrage that OP was seemingly (and probably unintentionally) putting the blame for the situation on Ukraine and not Russia.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by s1artibartfast on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:37PM (#32414792)
Innocent victims surrender all the time. I didn't read it as assigning blame or a moral position .
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ailef on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:21PM (#32414524)
My interpretation is that he phrased it like that because he sees Ukraine surrendering as the most likely scenario. Not to put blame or responsibility on Ukraine.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by daemoens on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:43PM (#32414892)
The goal was 100% of the country, not 20%. They've been stalled with little progress over the past month.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ailef on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:16PM (#32415444)
I've never heard the goal was 100% of the country. Can you point to a source?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by zz0rr on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:05PM (#32416117)
"...it is a risky business for a senior politician to put on public record an estimate of future events which, if wide of the mark, would provide ammunition to his adversaries. Similarly, a President who announces specific policy goals affords the public a measure of his failure if he falls short of his hopes. Hence it is common practice for officials to define foreign policy goals in the broad generalities of peace, prosperity, cooperation, and good will—unimpeachable as ideals but of little use in determining the specific objective we are likely to pursue and the time, place, and intensity of our efforts"

Maxwell Taylor quoted here: https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA486290.pdf

the problem you're alluding to isn't new: political leaders aren't likely to make the clear statement of aims you want them to make (see the quote). You should consider the fact that they might not make a clear statement, but 100% could still could be the goal.

My view is that the original ground scheme of maneuver (a strike at kyiv) points to a goal of replacing the ukrainian government with a russian puppet government, essentially a "100%" or unlimited war aim.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ailef on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:29PM (#32416457)
I agree that it may be the goal. We just can't know it.

But in the post I was replying to it was stated as a certainty rather than a possibility.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by daemoens on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:24PM (#32415544)
Putin's speech on February 24th, the day of the invasion

> "To this end, we will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation."

How do you demilitarize a nation by taking only 20% of it? The only way to do this would be to capture the entirety of the country.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ailef on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:48PM (#32415867)
I was talking about official statements defining the goal as occupying 100% of Ukraine's. Taking an ambiguous word in a propaganda speech doesn't cut it.

> How do you demilitarize a nation by taking only 20% of it? The only way to do this would be to capture the entirety of the country.

Really? What if Ukraine surrenders and negotiates sovereignty over the remaining 80% of their territory while dismantling (or at least greatly reducing) the capabilities of their armed forces?

That's just one of the possibilities that comes to mind which does not involve occupying the entire territory.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by jazzyjackson on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:03PM (#32416085)
In what way is a president's speech not an official statement?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ailef on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:26PM (#32416418)
It's an official statement, it just doesn't say that the goal is occupying 100% of Ukraine.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by daemoens on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:38PM (#32416580)
The idea that Ukraine would reduce the capabilities of their armed forces after 8 years of war with Russia in the separatists and constant training with NATO is nonsensical. They wouldn't have spent 8 years preparing for this war if they would just throw it all away. Clearly those years training weren't wasted because Russia has barely made any gains in the past month. Everyone was speculating the whole government would collapse in 24 to 48 hours. Now, 5 months in, and they've lost up to 80,000 soldiers for 20% of Ukraine.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ailef on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @03:02PM (#32416908)
We're going a bit off-topic now, but I mostly agree with you if the situation remains stalled like it is now.

On the other hand, if Russia is able to make significant advances in the coming months, and Ukraine is at a point where it cannot meaningfully defend anymore, it seems the rational choice would be to negotiate and accept a reduction in their armed forces (while maybe retaining what territories they still have under control) instead of falling for the sunken cost fallacy and trying to defend a lost position just to avoid "wasting" 8 years of NATO training.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by daemoens on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @03:10PM (#32416978)
A reduction in armed forces will not happen because all it does is weaken you for the next invasion. Russia will not be content with just the eastern parts of Ukraine. They need to take the entirety of it, or else the war would be pointless. A reduction in armed forces will never be on the table because it just guarantees a war you will lose.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by geoka9 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:57PM (#32415132)
> they were apparently able to occupy 20% of Ukraine's territory.

On the other hand, they only took one big city in/since February and that's only because it wasn't defended by Ukraine.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by stuckinhell on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:06PM (#32416139)
In the real world, we all know Russia isn't going to surrender, and Ukraine is going to lose. That's why western leaders are putting distance between them and ukraine
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Balero on Thursday August 11, 2022 @06:49AM (#32423862)
> That's why western leaders are putting distance between them and Ukraine reply

Where is this happening? The US sent another $Billion three days ago: https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/312005...

Western leaders have stopped visiting because they just did a few months ago, they don't need some official state visit merry-go-round to show support.

Also we do not "all know Ukraine is going to lose". In the real world, this is looking like a complete embarrassment for the Russian military. Hell we all knew the Taliban lost in Afghanistan in 2002 as well, and this is going much much better for Ukraine than it was for them.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by nradov on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @03:40PM (#32417366)
The most likely outcome is that neither side surrenders or loses. Instead the conflict will just grind on indefinitely as a slow war of attrition. While some western leaders are distancing themselves from Ukraine, others will continue to support Ukraine as a way to bleed Russia to death and discourage future invasions of other countries.

Putin won't live forever. So the goal is just containment until he's replaced by someone less aggressive.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by tmikaeld on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:10AM (#32412245)
> - if Ukraine doesn’t surrender, we can expect less food production

I doubt that Russia would prioritize food production if they win the war, considering the huge list of "enemies" they've added to their list.

Most likely, they send food production to allies and they'll attack the next neighboring country in a few years by keeping exports (Gas/food) towards "enemies" at a minimum.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by nradov on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @03:42PM (#32417396)
Wheat and other grains are somewhat fungible on the world commodity market. If Russia sells more grain to select allies then there will be more available to other buyers from different sources. Transportation complicates things a little, but generally that's how it works.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by HelloMcFly on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:59AM (#32412052)
I'm not trying to be glib or intentionally controversial, but: is this a "market correction" for beef not really being as sustainable at recent consumption levels? Is it a bad thing if beef becomes significantly more expensive?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by fleddr on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:33AM (#32412660)
My father has worked in the meat industry his entire life and said that over the decades, he was shocked how unnaturally cheap meat has become.

I'm in no way anti-meat, but a lot of people have normalized eating a huge amount of meat per day at ultra low cost, and internalized this as some basic right. Natural consumption of meat is to eat meat sporadically, not 3 times per day.

I'm not questioning whether one likes meat, I do too. I'm saying you don't need it in these amounts nor should you expect it to be this cheap forever.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by kortilla on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:08PM (#32414333)
> Natural consumption of meat is to eat meat sporadically, not 3 times per day.

This is just an appeal to the way things were 70 years ago in the US. Much further back you had Native Americans absolutely eating tons of bison meat in the western US. Other tribes easily got fish for every meal. Others have been heavily vegetarian.

There is no “natural consumption of meat”.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ww-picard-do on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:32PM (#32415666)
> There is no “natural consumption of meat”.

Yes. As you point out the consumption of meat varies greatly across cultures.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by fleddr on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @04:43PM (#32418162)
Natural and cultural are not the same thing. Culture is made up, nature is not.

Overconsumption of meat can lead to bodily issues as does a lack of particular plant foods. Particular meats are processed/digested in different ways, and have different pros and cons on what it does to your body and health.

So there very much is a "natural" way to consume meat that is most compatible with the capabilities and constraints of our body.

What is recommended/natural is an entirely different concept from what people actually do, which was entirely my point.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Dylan16807 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:21AM (#32413466)
What's a natural amount?

I'm imagining a farm household hundreds of years ago, growing their own crops and having a herd of 4 cows, killing one or two a year for lots and lots of meat.

Google says hunter-gatherers got most of their food from meat.

And are crops not unnaturally cheap with modern mechanized farms?

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by nephanth on Thursday August 11, 2022 @06:10AM (#32423627)
I'd say a good definition for a "natural amount" is the average amount you get in a hunter-gatherer setting. That's what most of our evolution has prepared us for.

Not judging on the value of thaat diet though. "Natural" doesn't necessarily mean "good"

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by lettergram on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:16AM (#32412346)
Production of beef is at sustainable levels, provided cheap energy.

But increase fertilizer 3-10x and fuel 3-5x and you’re going to adjust in prices. And you’re going to get a new sustainable level.

Btw when I say “sustainable” I mean market conditions, not environment. The environment can likely handle far more cattle, but it requires input (fuel, fertilizer, etc) for us to produce said cattle.

Recall, there used to be millions (probably tens of millions) of bison roaming the Americas. We basically replaced them with cattle. Cattle are constrained to a region and fed food from farms. Environmental wise, I don’t see much issue with cattle (when comparing to other pollutants)

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by moosey on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:20AM (#32413440)
The difference between the bison and beef cows is that the bison lived longer lives than the beef cows today. Growing new animals vs. maintaining a population has significantly different energy requirements.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by hash07e on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:07PM (#32415309)
Cant eat a live bison..
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by propogandist on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:15AM (#32412332)
They’re pushing all kind of narratives to make cattle seem like they’re terrible for the world, and linking everything to climate change.

No one wants to accept the push to start eating bugs. Don’t give into the WEF propaganda

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/18/cows-sea...

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by manimino on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:18AM (#32412387)
Who exactly is "they"? The... Big Bug industry?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by propogandist on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:45AM (#32412864)
Insects are being promoted as a way to hit UN’s sustainable development goals [1]

There’s also an industry emerging, with big pushes from organizations like WEF, to normalize eating bugs [2]. Investors are getting in on this trend too [3]

1. https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4450/12/6/557

2. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/why-we-need-to-give-i...

3. https://fortune.com/2022/05/24/war-ukraine-big-ag-insect-fee...

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Dylan16807 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:26AM (#32413556)
Is there actually anything wrong with normalizing eating bugs? Like, get meat if you want but don't be a baby about insects?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by norwalkbear on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:59PM (#32415155)
Yea insects typically have a high amount of allergens to humans. It's why bioreactors for things like insulin, igb, etc avoid insects cells if they can.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Dylan16807 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:17PM (#32415452)
You want to go as low as possible for a medicine, but how common are allergies to the kind of breeds that make reasonable food?

For comparison, it would be silly to say we shouldn't normalize eating peanuts because of the allergy risk.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by norwalkbear on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:16PM (#32416274)
Are you kidding? Insect cells used in bioreactors would be an order of magnitude safer than possible insect food ( medical grade is much much higher standard than food grade), and people still avoid it as much as possible . That should tell you "food grade" insects have enormous risk associated with them.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Dylan16807 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @05:58PM (#32418948)
Well if I look at peanuts again, an order of magnitude safer would still be something to avoid very strongly in bioreactors.

At this point I'll keep an eye out but insects are such a broad and mostly unexplored category that I'm not convinced there's an unavoidable and crippling allergen risk.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by silksowed on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:12AM (#32413319)
in what world will people eat bugs instead of beef, do bugs taste anywhere as good as beef? all the push from the supply side doesn't fix the demand problem.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by kombucha13 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:57PM (#32416009)
Honestly they are really delicious and satiate in a similar way to meat. Try some grasshoppers next chance you get.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by silksowed on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @03:42PM (#32417392)
ill try anything !
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by thematrixturtle on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:59AM (#32413119)
"Eat the Bugs" has become a far-right/anti-woke catchphrase. This video is typical:

https://youtu.be/8_8LTUmHWP0

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by lettergram on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:05PM (#32414270)
Lol what did I just watch?

From a quick search it appears eating of bugs specifically refers to the WEF push:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/07/good-grub-why-we-migh...

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/why-we-need-to-give-i...

don’t know about the catch phrase or how it’s “anti-woke” but interesting

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by greycol on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @06:00PM (#32418975)
"Eat the bugs", "Woke", "Socialist" can all be used in a positive way it's just that they are also often used by the US right wing in a negative way. You'll understand that when Alex Jones is calling a democrat "woke" he is using it in implying being woke is a bad thing. "Eat the bugs" is similar and is more common in the anti globalist conspiracist circles.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by norwalkbear on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:58PM (#32415136)
Lobbyists exist for everything.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by honkycat on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:46AM (#32412883)
India has had many many vegetarians for a long long time.

We don't need to eat bugs. We can just eat less meat, like our ancestors did.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by lettergram on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:15PM (#32414425)
Historically, people at a lot of meat.

> The researchers studied ten other comparable food lists from southern England and discovered a remarkably similar pattern: a modest amount of bread, a huge amount of meat, a decent but not excessive quantity of ale, and no mention of vegetables (although some probably were served).

https://www.medievalists.net/2022/04/who-was-eating-meat-in-...

Simply put, you have an animal who eats a bunch of veggies. It’s gathering the calories for you. Then when you kill it, you harvest those calories. There are other means of collecting calories (farming grains, milk & honey, etc) but for most of human history (even now) meat was necessary as it contained the calories to survive.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by sacred_numbers on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:30PM (#32415637)
Literally the next paragraph says:

“The scale and proportions of these food lists strongly suggests that they were provisions for occasional grand feasts, and not general food supplies sustaining royal households on a daily basis,” says Lambert. “These were not blueprints for everyday elite diets as historians have assumed.”

“I’ve been to plenty of barbecues where friends have cooked ludicrous amounts of meat so we shouldn’t be too surprised. The guests probably ate the best bits and then leftovers might have been stewed up for later.”

Leggett adds,: “I’ve found no evidence of people eating anything like this much animal protein on a regular basis. If they were, we would find isotopic evidence of excess protein and signs of diseases like gout from the bones. But we’re just not finding that. The isotopic evidence suggests that diets in this period were much more similar across social groups than we’ve been led to believe. We should imagine a wide range of people livening up bread with small quantities of meat and cheese, or eating pottages of leeks and whole grains with a little meat thrown in.”

The researchers believe that even royals would have eaten a cereal-based diet and that these occasional feasts would have been a treat for them too.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by fleddr on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @04:49PM (#32418241)
Agreed, and a great alternative is chicken. Delicious, very versatile to cook with and an ecological foot print that is 4 times smaller compared to beef.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by throwaway_4ever on Friday August 12, 2022 @02:19PM (#32442144)
Except that 99% of chicken is factory farmed living a dreadful non-moving existence in boiler rooms.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by kombucha13 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:03PM (#32416091)
Though being veg in India usually means still eating dairy products.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by randomopining on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:40AM (#32412782)
Cattle are pretty energy inefficient though, that's a fact. And people would prob be healthier with less meat overall.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by fleddr on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:27AM (#32412550)
You should stop reading right wing conspiracy twitter.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by chaorace on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:14AM (#32412319)
Not to pull the "facts don't care about feelings" card... but markets don't care about long-term sustainability so long as medium-term growth can be expected. Such a correction for unsustainable markets will eventually come, but not on a timescale relevant to current events.

I don't personally think rising beef prices are an issue, though. Nobody is going to starve because they're being priced out of a steak. I will be more concerned if we eventually begin to run short of beef-alternatives, though.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by HelloMcFly on Thursday August 11, 2022 @09:18AM (#32425145)
I was more thinking about how subsidized beef consumption is, at least in America. I was thinking less about sustainability from an environmental standpoint, though I think the environmental cost of beef is one of the things that is hidden by the way we subsidize the industry.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by shortstuffsushi on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:06AM (#32412191)
If your industry isn't able to sustain a 6x increase on production cost, is that a market correction?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by xedrac on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:08AM (#32412214)
> if Ukraine doesn’t surrender

I think you mean if Russia doesn't surrender. If Ukraine was to surrender, we'd have bigger problems than an increase in beef costs. I don't see any universe where Russia wins this war.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by kranke155 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:37AM (#32412715)
You should read reports by actual experts instead of media.

The RUSI - Royal United Services Institute - is a leading UK military institute that had boots on the ground assessing the situation. Here is their assessment. https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/special-r...

"At present, however, several Russian advantages and Ukrainian weaknesses are leading to an attritional conflict that risks a protracted war, eventually favouring Russia."

And here's the companion podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/a-turning-point-in-ukr...

It will tell you a lot of things, including that Ukraine's losses are far higher than the general public estimates, as Ukraine successfully hid/minimized the awareness of its losses from phase 1 of the war.

I also recommend the War on the Rocks podcast with Michael Kofman, whose assessment of the situation is also not too rosy.

I am extremely pro ukraine. But that's the reality. At the moment Russia is winning and Ukraine is losing, just very slowly.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Workaccount2 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:46AM (#32412880)
I remember day 1 of the war when 4-star generals where on TV saying Ukraine was going to get rolled.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by sanderjd on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:34AM (#32413705)
It seems to me that they are right about the "attritional conflict that risks a protracted war" part, but that the ability to accurately forecast the outcome of such a war is extremely limited. If one side were winning easily and quickly, it would be easy to predict the outcome. With a long tug of war conflict, forecasting is much less useful.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by kranke155 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:55AM (#32414125)
You're right. That's the current situation on the ground, but RUSI certainly can't predict the future, and they do suggest that with increased deliveries of Western weaponry, it's possible Ukraine will succeed.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by diordiderot on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:57PM (#32416005)
This will be over in a few days"- the"einxperts" in February
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by mamonster on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:49AM (#32412928)
Problem is that in the current situation Russia surrendering would imply a regime change or at the very least very heavy turmoil within Russia. Since this isn't a regime that will let itself get toppled without trying almost everything, there will likely be an escalation before Russian surrender is actually something that is visible on the horizon, which does not bode well for anyone. Sucks for it to be this way, but having an autocratic regime with imperial ambitions sit on a huge proportion of the world's commodities means you really pay for not appeasing them.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by drchickensalad on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:31AM (#32412621)
I think you should try broadening your media bubble. There's many, many scenarios.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by fuoqi on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:08AM (#32412221)
>Russia is not likely to renew trade relationships baring a reparations for seizing assets

Russia is quite ready to sell on the following conditions:

- Remove sanctions which forbid (or make it difficult) the Russian export in the first place.

- Pay in rubles (i.e. you have to "sterilize" your cache through the Moscow stock exchange) like was done with the gas export to Europe.

- Remove sanctions which forbid export to Russia. It has no interest in selling stuff to the West, if it can not buy the stuff it needs in exchange. We already can see that its export-oriented economy sectors suffer from the strong ruble.

Russia has answered to the frozen reserves by freezing financial assets owned by foreigners. Interestingly enough, both numbers are quite comparable to each other.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by bigodbiel on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:26AM (#32412532)
Russian foreign reserve assets are liquid, nationalized means of production for goods outside their respective chain of production isn’t and of dubious value (eg car manufacturing).
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by runnerup on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:50AM (#32412957)
In USA ground beef subsidies will increase before it reaches $12/lb for basic 80/20.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by silicon2401 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:08AM (#32412213)
if food production is getting more expensive, would that make this a good time to invest in companies that produce chemicals used in fertilizer?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by phkahler on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:15AM (#32411387)
A Sausage McMuffin and a coke used to cost $2.12 at most locations near me two years ago. Today it varies from $2.95 up to $3.85 (strangely this high value is in Detroit proper where income is lowest vs the burbs).

I notice this price varies even at the same locations sometimes, but it's WAY up in general by a solid 50 percent in 2 years.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by jmacd on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:55AM (#32412000)
That is less about inflation and more about pricing power. An Egg McMuffin is a low-grade foodstuff in one community (probably higher income), but a "treat" or extravagant breakfast in another (probably low income). The Egg McMuffin has far more pricing power in Detroit than it does on Rodeo Drive.

This happens with things like Medium Ground Beef as well. But T-bone steaks can be quite cheap in lower income areas, and massively overpriced in more expensive parts of town.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by trebbble on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:15AM (#32413360)
Everything I care about definitely seems to have gone up a lot more than the nominal inflation rate would suggest. Maybe not 50%, but... certainly more than 20% over the last two years.

Then again that's been true since I started paying attention to this stuff almost 20 years ago. The reported inflation rate's never felt all that close to how much stuff I buy's actually going up in price (the reported rate's consistently a lot lower than that).

HOWEVER, in the specific case of McDonalds, you have to factor in that they've spent the last few years aggressively optimizing for price discrimination. If you're poor, you use the app and physical coupons and never pay menu prices, but something closer to what the prices used to be. If you're not poor you pay menu prices and wonder when fast food stopped being cheap (it didn't, they just make you trade some time and effort to get "normal" prices now)

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by norwalkbear on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:01PM (#32415194)
Yea, the expert class is under idealogical capture You got fraud in many fields like social science. depression, and Alzheimer's research were the hot fraud of the last couple weeks.

Experts are just spinning things to fit their idealogies. Regular folks must start evaluating how inflation is personally affecting us and make noise.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by spookthesunset on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @03:25PM (#32417176)
Is the menu prices on the app less than you'd see at the drive through window?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by trebbble on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @04:35PM (#32418042)
Not sure. I know they push tons of deals through the apps. I know this second-hand, including from someone who routinely gets entire meals from Taco Bell, specifically, for a couple dollars—just as you used to be able to do off the normal menu. Sometimes he can get absurd amounts of food for less than a dollar—just as you used to be able to do couponing or deal-hunting. In short, what it looks like to me is the normal prices became "sale" prices, the former sale prices became super-duper-sale prices, and the new menu prices are a totally new massive-profit-margin category that didn't exist before.

This is actually pretty similar to what pizza chains have been doing far longer and to a greater degree than other fast-food joints used to—it's long been the case that you can get 30-50% off your chain pizza order with coupons, and that there are always a bunch of coupons available to suit many common orders, such that there's rarely a reason to order anything at full menu price from a major pizza chain unless you just can't be bothered to track down any of the deals (hence, it's price discrimination, with a side of psychological manipulation to make you think the "deals" are actually bargains when they are, rather, simply not rip-offs).

As for my own experience: we usually do Arby's when we want garbage food. We can easily drop $40 there at menu prices without going nuts—or we can get all of the exact same stuff for $15 or less, with coupons (the key: lots of their coupons list, in small print, a count of times you can apply it in the same visit, so you may be able to use a single coupon for, say, "$3 sandwich + fries" to buy five of those meals at once at the coupon price). Again, these places have long had coupons, but they didn't used to constantly have lots of coupons or other deals active at once, and the difference between coupon and menu prices didn't used to be so extreme. Actually, noticing that Arby's prices had damn near doubled over just a couple years (pre-pandemic) was what prompted me to take notice of this situation, which does appear to be playing out industry-wide.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by judge2020 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:19AM (#32411435)
For my closest McD’s it’s still $1 for a large soft drink at least (I know some franchises have the ability to change the cost of a large nowadays), but it is $2.49 for a sausage McMuffin.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by bombcar on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:44AM (#32411801)
The weirdest thing I've discovered is that the app doesn't show you certain discounts (but you still get them) - there's often a BOGO discount on the sausage McMuffin (the only true McMuffin, all you egg McMuffin eaters can gtfo) where the second is a dollar (or sometimes even free!) but nothing tells you this until you add a second one to the order.

The McDonalds app is the weirdest mish-mash of modern app design with ancient CRM systems I've ever seen. It looks like they finally updated the email receipt - it used to be text-based straight from the 80s.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by bluedino on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:56AM (#32412009)
They just brought the 2 for $5 breakfast sandwich deal back. They've had the "buy one sausage muffin/biscuit or hashbrown and get another for a dollar", though.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by cudgy on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:47AM (#32412904)
The BOGO Big Mac deal is what always pulls me in.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by BuckRogers on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:36AM (#32413757)
I'm big on the fish sandwich and breakfast burrito. I went there the other day to use the free hashbrown coupon. They cancelled it saying they had no hashbrowns in stock. Seems pretty hard to believe that a McDonald's ran out of 5 cent frozen hashbrowns that come in industrial sized bags. I almost readded it paying for it to test the theory.

It will be interesting to see if locations start pulling tricks to avoid honoring the deals in the app.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by creaghpatr on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:42AM (#32411768)
Soft drinks are a loss leader for fast food, which is why judging McDos on the price of a single item like soda or mcmuffin is a bit oversimplified. Pricing strategy fluctuates (sometimes) independently of supply costs.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by mynameishere on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:51AM (#32411918)
Ha ha, no. That's where the money is. They have like 90 percent margins on those syrup/water mixes.

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I like discussions about inflation though because everyone brings up a particular item from their own budget. For instance, have you priced Little Debbie Zebra Cake Rolls lately? Did you even know they exist? It's like a mixture of a Swiss Roll and a Zebra Cake and they are completely awesome and I'm pretty sure the government is ignoring the 50 percent inflation I've been seeing on them lately. I don't know if this is incompetence or reactionary arrogance ("We'll stick with the hexagonal cakes they serve at Quadrangle Club thank you.") but I know the whole program is broken.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Sohcahtoa82 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:23AM (#32412477)
> They have like 90 percent margins on those syrup/water mixes.

Not really. There's this myth that it only costs a few pennies to fill a cup with soda.

I was a manager at a Subway from 2006 to 2012, so I got to see the costs of all our food. I did the math and found it cost about 1.7 cents per ounce dispensed, so a 32 oz soda cost 54.4 cents to fill assuming no ice. The cup/lid/straw cost us about 12 cents. At the time, we charged $1.69 for the soda, giving a margin of about 60%. This margin of course went up if they used ice, but went down if they refilled it.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by eertami on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:25PM (#32414585)
> 32oz soda ... $1.69

I'm sorry, what? People drink a whole litre of soda with their lunch? I don't understand this on multiple levels. Who would buy this, why would anyone sell it, and should that even be legal?

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Sohcahtoa82 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:29PM (#32414639)
I take it you're not American.

We Americans love our soda far more than our friends around the world.

I had sticker shock when I went to Italy a couple weeks ago and if I ordered a soda at a restaurant, I'd pay 3-4 euros and get a tiny 8 oz can.

In America, at a restaurant, if you order a soda, it's $2-4, and you'll usually get a 12 or 16 oz cup and get free refills.

At least I stick to the Diet/Zero-Sugar varieties so I'm keeping the calories down.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by c22 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:52AM (#32413002)
Okay, what was the margin on sandwiches?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Sohcahtoa82 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:26PM (#32414592)
The cost of ingredients for sandwiches was 22-35%, depending on what sandwich it was. Of course, that's only for the ingredients themselves.

About 20% of revenue went to labor. I'm sure you're thinking, "But if you can make a sub in under a minute, and you pay $10/hr, shouldn't it be less?", but there's a lot of time spent not making sandwiches, such as cleaning, baking bread, and other food prep. Sure, the lettuce came pre-shredded in bags, olives and jalapenos are pre-sliced, but we had to slice the tomatoes, cucumbers, onions, and green peppers.

And then of course, there's the cost of rent and utilities, plus franchising fees. Overall, our profit margin was under 10%.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by creaghpatr on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:59AM (#32412042)
>They have like 90 percent margins on those syrup/water mixes.

Wait, nevermind you're right about that.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by kipchak on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:17AM (#32412370)
I know this is sarcastic, but bakery outlets can be a great way to get your sugar junk for cheap if there's one nearby, though they're all pretty close to expiration.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ghaff on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:24AM (#32412498)
There's a reason movie theaters push supersized popcorn and sodas. The ingredients cost almost nothing. (OK, that's an exaggeration but they're certainly high margin--especially at movie theater prices.)
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by eschulz on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:30AM (#32412615)
Are taxes not higher in Detroit for things like fast food? I'm asking since I think Detroit does have the highest property taxes in the state and one of the highest in the country.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by samatman on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:49AM (#32411881)
It's not strange when prices are higher in places with high demand and fewer options.
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Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by roenxi on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:55AM (#32411990)
1) Greed isn't a variable here - McDonalds today can't be more greedy than McDonalds in 2020. McDonalds in 2020 was already capped out as far as greed goes. They have been the poster child for corporate greed for decades. If greed could make prices go up they'd have been selling $3 burgers back in 1950.

2) If prices go up by 50% without an increase in costs, profit should go up by much more than 50% and share prices should be doubling, tripling, etc. If their stock is up a lesser percent than the price of their goods, that suggests they are being squeezed. The share price going up is effectively just another effect of inflation.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by cheschire on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:27AM (#32412538)
Why would you pick the situation that is clearly impossible when we're talking about inflation? Of course costs have increased.

If prices go up by 50%, and then you subtract the increase in cost, then any measure over 0 is potentially a greed-driven number.

It seems unlikely that zero companies are riding the wave of inflation acceptance in the population. At least some companies must be increasing their costs because most people aren't willing to check the math.

That isn't always greed related, sure, and some companies may be hedging against further cost increases on their end, and some may be using the increased profits to recover from COVID losses. But still, saying greed isn't a variable, as you did, seems a bit naive. Or am I missing some greater economic concept?

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by roenxi on Thursday August 11, 2022 @06:33AM (#32423755)
> Or am I missing some greater economic concept?

It is a practical concept. If you think greed is a variable, then you will have to explain why McDonalds suddenly got greedy in 2022 and from 1940-2021 they've been charitably keeping prices low. Any why they aren't raising prices right now to the even higher numbers that we'll probably be seeing in a few years.

They just sell for the price that they think brings in the highest profit. That is the algorithm. Their motivations aren't a factor and the algorithm is has always been the same. They could be greedy or they could be not greedy and that doesn't change the situation.

> It seems unlikely that zero companies are riding the wave of inflation acceptance in the population.

It is possible that there are zero of such companies. The populace doesn't get to set prices - otherwise prices would be cost to manufacturer for everything. Since companies make a profit, it is clear that consumers "acceptance" doesn't influence the price.

People aren't accepting these price rises. They're saying all sorts of things about the companies doing them. Doesn't change the fact that the price has changed.

If greed or the acceptance of consumers were important then the situation would look different. Neither matter much.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by nebula8804 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:37AM (#32413790)
I feel like there is an opportunity for an app here that lets you input what you buy and see how the price has increased compared to the competition. There seems to be a lack of automated price comparisons here. I guess people can compare prices when shopping in store but if all companies raise their prices, I'd imagine some people would just stop buying if they knew about the price collusion more easily. I thought a cool app for the Apple AR goggles is to allow you to overlay the inflation increase of prices as you walk through a grocery store.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by CapricornNoble on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:25PM (#32415565)
I was thinking about something similar for a personal meal plan app.

I want the ability to keep a list of recipes, and when I chose meals for a day/week, have the app take the ingredients list and scrape price sources (supermarket websites, etc.) and then give guidance on exactly where I should purchase each ingredient I need. Then simply track the scraped prices over time for the nominal inflation that you've mentioned.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by nebula8804 on Tuesday August 16, 2022 @12:51PM (#32485471)
As an addition to your excellent idea: recommend recipes with ingredients that haven't inflated as much as others.

I read somewhere that this summer strawberries have inflated a lot less in price compared to other fruits. It then led me to having this conspiracy theory that this is why I saw nonstop promotions for strawberry related products/promotions this summer.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Sohcahtoa82 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:26AM (#32412535)
> They have been the poster child for corporate greed for decades.

I would give that title to Walmart and EA Games.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by PaywallBuster on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:22AM (#32411481)
stock is not 100% correlated with earnings/profiteering

https://corporate.mcdonalds.com/corpmcd/en-us/our-stories/ar...

plenty of numbers down from 2021 including margins

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by rtkwe on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:41AM (#32411745)
Sure but companies are also still reporting record profits in many cases right now so it's clearly not just input costs driving up prices.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by hattmall on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:55AM (#32413045)
Yes, but you have adjust those earnings for inflation... It's even more complex because inflation is variable across industries.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by rtkwe on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:16AM (#32413378)
Their increased costs are already factored in because we're talking about profits though so I'm not sure how much use deducting that again would be for determining that.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by mrep on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @03:11PM (#32417000)
It is not about deducting but adjusting. In an inflating currency with a constant profit margin, you are basically always going to report "record profits" because a 10% margin on $11 is nominally more than a 10% margin on $10 from a year ago but if the currency inflated 10% in that year, your profit isn't really record because it buys you the same amount of goods and services as it did a year ago.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by weberer on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:53AM (#32413012)
>companies are also still reporting record profits

Adjusted for inflation?

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by rtkwe on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:15AM (#32413355)
Their profits account for inflation already in some ways because the increased costs are already accounted for when we're talking about profits by definition.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by caseysoftware on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:17AM (#32412355)
Inflation - value of currency going down - would also drive stock prices up even if the underlying value is stable.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by phkahler on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @04:00PM (#32417595)
>> And their stock is up 30% in the same timeframe. That's not inflation hitting supply chains, that's just corporate greed

You're assuming the stock price reflects increased profit. I don't doubt that, but it is not a given. IMHO the stock market has been going up for 20 years due to the 401K plan thing - the highest income people are indiscriminately dumping part of their pay into mutual funds every month. This is part of the reason white-collar jobs were more protected during covid, while hourly folks got told to stay home. If they made people with 401K stop working the market would have collapsed.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by latency-guy2 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:04AM (#32412150)
So, why did these greedy companies not raise prices to this rate when times were good? Surely there's more money exchanging hands when times are fine and dandy.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by treis on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:53AM (#32413011)
I think a lot of this is a combination of "because everyone else is doing it" and "because we can". I've seen a huge price increase in branded and prepared food products. Staples like fruit, veggies, eggs, etc. has gone up in price but much less than the branded.

I also think a lot of companies are running near capacity. Labor market is tight and the supply chain is still reeling from Covid. So there's not really an opportunity to lower/maintain prices to get market share.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by shmatt on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:10AM (#32412241)
The whole point of this inflation is, times ARE good. People have too much money to spend, the job market is too hot, which is why the fed is raising rates so fast

When times are bad, McDonalds sales go way down, then they re-introduce the $1 menu

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by golergka on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:39AM (#32412751)
I don't get people like you. You're saying that on one hand, McDonald's raises prices unreasonably high because they are greedy. But on the other hand, you're saying that other corporations are not eating up McDonald's market share with lower prices because... why? Because those other corporations are not greedy, and just want to help McDonalds out?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by throwaway96148 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:21AM (#32411453)
Porque no los dos?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by bluedino on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:54AM (#32411983)
The vehicle we bought cost over 10% what the same vehicle would have cost last year.

Groceries are 40% more than they were.

Utility bill is up nearly 50%.

Clothes and shoes don't seem to be more expensive, they just don't seem to go on sale anymore.

Our neighbors had a new roof installed and spend almost double what we did 3 years ago, we have nearly the same house and the same contractor did it.

Fast food has gone way up, sit-down restaurants don't seem to have changed much.

Homes in the area have went up 100% in the last two years.

We won't even talk about gas.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by kombucha13 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:08PM (#32416158)
It's weird. I've only seen my natural gas bill increase about 30pc and groceries are only up 5-10pc...everything else has remained the same.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by rr888 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:31PM (#32414669)
> We won't even talk about gas.

Well that went down in price in July, and is one of the reasons inflation was flat in todays CPI.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by HideousKojima on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:05PM (#32415259)
Still more than double what it was 2 years ago, and even throughout the last decade (2010-2020) gas prices never broke $4/gallon
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by roflyear on Friday August 12, 2022 @09:29AM (#32438319)
More than double what it was during the covid low? yes. But hopefully you see how dumb that is to compare it against.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by dawnerd on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:06AM (#32412190)
Cat food has almost doubled and they’re still having problems stocking it.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by illegalsmile on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:26PM (#32415570)
I was shocked when I went to buy my last 3.3lb bag of cat food and found it had gone up $4. My cats eat a 50/50 mix of baked chicken and dry food. At $3/lb chicken breast is way less expensive than the $7/lb dry food. I can only imagine how much people are spending on their medium to large dogs to feed them.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by h2odragon on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:21AM (#32412452)
We've stared buying the cheapest "people" tuna cans for our elderly cat; I think they've cheaped out too far on the cat food and its not really "food" anymore.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by slaw on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:55AM (#32413053)
Where did you get a vehicle only 10% more expensive?

New Jeep Cherokee Latitude 4x4 was $21k in January 2021. The cheapest new Cherokee now is $35k. 3 years old is $25k. Seattle,WA.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by thatfrenchguy on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:41AM (#32413854)
Jeeps aren’t really a good benchmark for cars though, they’re an aspirational car, even the Cherokee.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by slaw on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:07PM (#32414311)
Can you find a car which price increased only 10%?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ahahahahah on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @06:56PM (#32419474)
Literally the first car I searched for to answer your question (audi s5) had starting prices:

2020 $51.9k

2021 $52.5k

2022 $55.3k

So, yes I can find such a car and it was quite easy. You should reconsider how likely people are to over-estimate the changes in prices compared to a systematic approach to tracking inflation like the BLS performs.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by slaw on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:22AM (#32421867)
Did you know that MSRP is not the price you pay? The cheapest Audi S5 I can buy now in Seattle is $69,465 with dealer markup.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by bluedino on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:31PM (#32415643)
It's a wee bit more than 10%

With a $38,635 starting price, the entry-level Odyssey now costs $4300 more than last year

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by slaw on Thursday August 11, 2022 @01:38AM (#32421966)
There were manufactures and dealer rebates before. My coworker bought Odyssey years ago for $6k off MSRP. I am not in the market for a minivan, so I don't know what rebates were year ago.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by roflyear on Friday August 12, 2022 @09:29AM (#32438328)
This is a poor way to argue.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by slaw on Friday August 12, 2022 @02:12PM (#32442061)
I agree, comparing MSRP doesn't make sense. Transaction price should be compared.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by chrisjc on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:29AM (#32411563)
> My house insurance is up 30%

Everything seems to be going up, but interesting that you brought home insurance up? Any particular reason why you mention it?

I guess if house prices and building material and labor costs are increasing, it makes sense that insurance would too. (Although I'm sure if everything dropped, insurance would remain the same)

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by pirate787 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:35AM (#32411659)
Coastal and flood prone insurance is rising in the US at a higher fixed rates the next couple of years because of federal policy changes that reduce the insurance cross-subsidy for riskier areas.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by nobleach on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:03AM (#32412131)
This was my experience while living in Florida. Hurricane/Flood risks made it so there was no "shopping around". I had a house (built in the mid-60s) with a ton of tree cover. There was basically one company who'd even talk to me. I can't imagine what they'd charge me these days.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by KallDrexx on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:18AM (#32412392)
As a Florida resident, the florida situation is screwed but not because of hurricanes and flood risks.

The problem is our laws about assignment of benefits and how insurance lawsuits get punished. So what happens is anytime any storm comes in you get swarmed with roofing companies wanting you to assign all benefits to them and they offer you a "free" roof. They then keep telling the roofing companies their previous estimate for roof was too low and they needed more money to fix the roof. At the end of the day the insurance companies end up paying double the cost of the roof because that's cheaper then the roofing company suing them, having to prove the costs they are being quoted are excessive, and if they fail they have to pay it out anyway + attorney fees.

We saw this ourselves when we had a hail storm at our house and didn't know any better. We did the AOB to a roofing company. That company never even looked at the roof. They called the insurance company, who sent an adjuster who looked at the roof. The insurance company wrote us a $15k check for a replacement roof. 3 months later (when the roofing company hadn't even looked at our roof still, let alone given us an estimate) we get a notification from the insurance company that the roofing company told the insurance company it would cost an additional $8k, and the insurance company wrote them a check.

We cancelled the roofing contract and shopped around. Got our new roof replaced within a month for $13k (we had 3 quotes from different companies, no company quoted more than $14k).

This is why insurance is going up so much in Florida, and why insurance companies are leaving the state. Last I saw, Florida leads the country in insurance litigation cases per year by a ridiculously wide margin to the 2nd highest.

And I'm not an insurance company defender or anything, but all home owners and renters in florida are all paying the price for this.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by chadash on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:35AM (#32413730)
Last I checked, Florida has about 6% of the total US population, but more than 75% of property insurance litigation. The situation is insane.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by cjrp on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:00PM (#32414192)
Why would the insurance company pay more than the adjuster's estimate? Isn't that the point of them sending a loss adjuster, to determine how much they should pay?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by KallDrexx on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:49PM (#32414986)
When the adjuster comes out, the roof shingles are still there on the roof. No demolition has occurred yet.

What happens is the roofing company claims to the insurance company that they had to replace more boards, they needed more nails, and a bunch of other material costs they claimed they needed. Since the policy states that the coverage warrants a replaced roof (of the same type) in this instance, the roofing company is claiming that a replacement roof costs more than the estimate and thus should be covered.

The insurance company could send another adjuster out to verify that the replacement roof costs as much as they did, but they'd have to verify how many boards are replaced (which means going without a roof until the adjuster verifies all the damaged boards), material cost for the roof, etc... That's a lot of investigation they need to do to fight a supposed excessive cost when the laws of the state make it very hard (and costly) for the insurance companies to win a denial that gets litigated.

It's not unusual for insurance companies to pay more than an adjuster's estimate though. An adjuster can't always see all the damage (they can't see behind walls, can't see under existing roof shingles, etc....) and if the policy covers fixing the damage then that means covering all costs it takes to fix that damage (minus deductible). So it's a balance between making sure insurance companies have the ability to push back against scamming of policies and consumer rights of making sure consumers get paid out what they are adaquately owed. Right now the balance in Florida is too far in the consumers favor and that's causing insurance companies to get scammed, and thus leaving the state, causing all consumers to ultimately suffer.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by cjrp on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:18PM (#32416300)
Interesting, thank you. My assumption was if the repair cost more than the adjuster estimated, the insurance company would say well.. too bad!
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by leveraction on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:11AM (#32413301)
The situation is SC is similar. Many insurers have packed up for the same reasons they left Florida. The same roof repair scams have been running here as well. What I don't understand about the scam is how the insurance adjuster comes out and agrees that a new roof is warranted when so frequently that is not the case. If the adjusters kept the lid on things none of this would be possible I think. It's baffling, but in the end is bad for everyone (with the possible exceptions of the roofing companies) My house is not in a flood zone, but we definitely need insurance. (we actually have flood insurance despite not being in a flood zone.)
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by bombcar on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:45AM (#32411816)
That must be why my earthquake carrier straight up dropped me.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by post_break on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:33AM (#32411620)
Because it stings. 2019 I paid $1400 for insurance for my home, this past June I paid $2200. Same home, no massive improvements, just pay more.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by brianwawok on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:38AM (#32411715)
Did you shop it?

Many house insurance companies give you a 10-50% new client discount, that slowly goes away year by year. The only choice is to jump ships every few years.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by post_break on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:58AM (#32412032)
I have an insurance agent who shops it to every carrier. I jump around every year but it doesn't help too much because the insurance for the insurance companies are tightening their belts.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by brianwawok on Thursday August 11, 2022 @10:55AM (#32426685)
Your agent takes a cut, you may be able to save more going alone if you are willing to do the legwork.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by lotsofpulp on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:46AM (#32411830)
Labor, material, and risk costs have changed though.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by squeaky-clean on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:31PM (#32414672)
I was complaining about Oreo prices to my friend group on Discord literally last night!

It's been a long time since I've had an Oreo but I cannot bring myself to pay $6.99 for a 14oz package of oreos when I can bake my own cookies for pennies.

Not quite the same as an oreo though. Target had a store brand oreo-type cookie that was IMO even better than the real thing. Used to be $1 for a 14oz package but they've since stopped selling it...

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by daoist_shaman on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:47AM (#32411852)
My electric bill doubled and my electricity provider (Xcel Energy) added salt to the wound by suddenly terminating my Ecobee smart thermostat Eco+ cost savings program for the following reason: "not a single family home." Gee, thanks for discriminating against non-homeowners in the middle of all this.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ChrisLomont on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:25AM (#32411516)
>But my electricity price literally doubled.

What supplier and location, out of curiosity?

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by metatranca on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:40AM (#32411740)
Similar in Florida with FPL(the utility company) [0]. We are now paying more. These are the new rates [1].

[0] https://cleanenergy.org/blog/fpls-holiday-surprise-810-milli...

[1] https://www.fpl.com/content/dam/fplgp/us/en/rates/pdf/res-ju...

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ChrisLomont on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:30AM (#32412602)
That's an 18% increase year over year, not a 100% increase.

I've yet to find anyone with bills doubled, despite so many people claiming it true. But I keep asking....

More data: https://www.gulfshorebusiness.com/expect-electricity-bills-i...

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by MisterBastahrd on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:44AM (#32413911)
I know that, at least in the New Orleans area, Entergy effed up and undercharged people for a year, then decided it was a smart idea to reconcile their screwup by hitting people with a $600 bill last month for a home that usually uses about $300 in electricity.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ChrisLomont on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @04:44PM (#32418176)
Do you have a source other than hearsay about the doubling? I find nothing in their rates (or rates published by watchdogs) that indicates a double payment. I only see places like Fox News style "some people have claimed..." stories.

The only actual stories with solid data say the increase is due to natural gas prices, which have not nearly doubled, so it'd be surprising that the end product doubled. And stories showing how unusual high heat waves have caused people to use more energy, which naturally results in a higher bill.

Also, that's completely different than inflation caused, and I doubt the higher bills would last long if that double monthly bill is true.

Also, if people were undercharged, then they owe the money. Basically they got a better deal by paying less early.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by MisterBastahrd on Thursday August 11, 2022 @04:02AM (#32422830)
You can go to the New Orleans subreddit and find people who are complaining about their electric bills there. I never mentioned inflation because it's not really big on their list of complaints, and there's nothing about that group which would make me believe that they're lying.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ChrisLomont on Thursday August 11, 2022 @06:42AM (#32423811)
I looked at some of those. I find plenty of cases where someone had a broken meter, was undercharged, then was charged to catch up. The electric company allows them to pay over time if needed in all cases.

I looked through New Orleans rates. They never doubled.

I find zero cases where the electric rates doubled, which is what the person here claimed.

As far as complaints, I can find people here complaining their rates doubled, when in fact they did not. Going to another place is not much different than here.

As far as I have found, no electric company doubled rates, contrary to lots of hearsay.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by nobleach on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:00AM (#32412079)
I've heard from friends in the Gainesville area (GRU) that their bills have been in the 800 - 1100 range!!! Before I moved in 2010, I had a almost 500 bill and even that was just insane. When I look at the population of that area, I ask, "how many of your customers can actually afford rates like that? That's like a mortgage payment!"
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by jusonchan81 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:15AM (#32412341)
At those prices won’t investing in solar make sense? Most likely it will yield a massive savings?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by metatranca on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:44AM (#32413917)
Just yesterday I was checking Project Sunroof [0] to get an idea about how much I can save(based on my location this app says I have 1,634 hours of usable sunlight per year) and I am seriously thinking about installing Solar Panels.

[0] https://sunroof.withgoogle.com/

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by jdhn on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:20AM (#32412420)
I'd love to know what Duke is going to do. I have a 1950s block home with less than 3 inches of insulation in the attic (Duke Energy efficiency audit put it at a charitable R-11) and original windows that I was told by the HVAC person "leak like a sieve". Electric bill this month may hit $400.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by cudgy on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:43AM (#32412833)
Original windows are likely the biggest offender. You could just replace the largest windows if budget is a concern or place plastic over the inside portion to create an “insulative” air barrier between the plastic sheet and the window. The plastic trick worked amazingly for me when renting an old farm house on a city plot. Looks ghetto ugly though.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by runnerup on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:54AM (#32413032)
There’s clear plastic shrink wrap which truly does become nearly invisible once you run a hair dryer over it. Last one I used was “Duck” brand and worked great. People would walk up to the windows and be surprised to hit the plastic that they didn’t see.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by antisthenes on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:57PM (#32416827)
My house is built in the 1950s as well, probably with comparable amounts of insulation.

My electric bill has never been higher than $150, and maybe $175 this summer.

Stop putting your AC on 68 and you'll have a lower bill.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by post_break on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:26AM (#32411530)
The open market of Texas, sigh.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by alostpuppy on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:28AM (#32411557)
Oof.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by meragrin_ on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:57AM (#32412018)
Probably any supplier using natural gas.
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Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by post_break on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:30AM (#32411580)
My previous plan was 8c per kWh, it's now 16c per kWh. I live in Texas where you shop for rates. Before you're quick to crap on comments give a little benefit of the doubt.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by sangnoir on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:00AM (#32413143)
> My previous plan was 8c per kWh, it's now 16c per kWh

Didn't ERCOT allow the Texas energy resellers to "recoup" the winterstorm losses (running into billions) from their customers over a decade? That increase was not primarily driven by inflation, but by good old socialization of losses while privatizing profits.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:19AM (#32413429)
Consumer price increases are inflation, no matter what drives them.

And energy price inflation drives inflation in other sectors, again, irrespective of what is driving the energy price inflation itself.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by sangnoir on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:14PM (#32414413)
> Consumer price increases are inflation, no matter what drives them.

Yes, but I never argued it's not inflation.

Most suppliers lean on the crutch that costs have gone up for them (due to supply constraints or inflation) so it can get recursive: some consumer price increases are driven by inflation - the most obvious being inflation of fuel increasing the price of shipping.

The price increases on the Texas energy market deserves a special call-out because it's a hypocritical corporate bailout with public money on a so-called open energy market, without fixing the root cause. Throw in once-a-century storms happening every decade, and you got a stew going.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by krzyk on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:35AM (#32411658)
I wonder, is solar popular in Texas? From my vague memories it is quite sunny there.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by bretpiatt on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:30AM (#32412612)
Both solar and wind are popular and growing.

Texas generates more wind energy than any other state (in gigawatthours). I'm unsure if any other state has a higher percentage of their total production in wind. Texas is around 20% of total in wind on ongoing basis (and another few percent in solar).

During recent heatwave solar and wind provided nearly 40%, " Several experts told CNN that it's owed in large part to strong performances from wind and solar, which generated 27 gigawatts of electricity during Sunday's peak demand -- close to 40% of the total needed."

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/14/us/texas-energy-record-solar-...

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by caseysoftware on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:26AM (#32412524)
Yes, Texas is the #1 producer of solar (by far) and #2 for wind.

I had solar installed on our house last year - just before supply chain issues got really bad - and so far this summer, it's generated enough to power our house every day. Of course, not every circuit is connected to it though, so I get to deal with the bs of "net billing" but the capacity is there.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by jsight on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:51AM (#32414052)
At .08/kwh probably not, but at .16kwh, I'd bet they start gaining momentum very quickly!
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Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by mminer237 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:57AM (#32412017)
That's not true. 73% of Republican want more solar farms and 62% want more wind farms: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/08/most-americ...

This also tracks with my experience. I know tons of conservative people who are leasing their farms out to build windmills or installing their own solar panels.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by tstrimple on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:53AM (#32413005)
Let's just ignore that the number of Republicans supporting renewables has dropped 15% in the last 5 years and is still trending down.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by mminer237 on Thursday August 11, 2022 @10:51AM (#32426606)
Because of partisan divisions like the parent comment was trying to further. Conservatives have no ideological opposition to renewable energy, some are just starting to oppose it because "the team likes it" and politics is becoming more about tribalism than actual policy. If people stopped trying to paint people on the other side as "the enemy", we wouldn't have these kinds of issues forming.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by epistasis on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:47AM (#32411841)
There's a big divide between politics rhetoric from political parties, and what's actually going on economically on the ground.

Not only is Texas installing massive amounts of solar, wind, and battery storage, it's also mostly going into rural areas that are more politically conservative.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by tstrimple on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:51AM (#32412987)
I wonder if they get the same conservative "No Industrial Solar" propaganda that pervades rural Iowa. A little bit of searching seems to indicate rural opposition to renewables to be fairly common.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbryce/2022/01/27/backlash...

Republican approval of renewable energy is also dropping year over year and is down 15% from 5 years ago.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/08/most-americ...

It seems there is a pretty clear divide in partisan and urban / rural support.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by throwaway0a5e on Thursday August 11, 2022 @06:34AM (#32423761)
Most rural people have no problem with industrial development unless it's highly polluting (and by "highly" I mean "orders of magnitude above and beyond what it takes to make people here hand wring").

Declining support for renewable energy seems to be a result of team politics.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by rootusrootus on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:52AM (#32411932)
Painting with a pretty broad brush there. Rhetoric and reality frequently don't match. The strongest Trump-supporting conservative in my family happens to be one of the few of us who owns an EV, as well. Money talks.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by lettergram on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:29AM (#32411560)
https://www.texaselectricityratings.com/resources/historical...

Says the guy who can’t spend 2 seconds searching.

Energy prices at least doubled in Texas. And was relatively stable 2016 through mid 2021

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by sangnoir on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:21AM (#32413474)
Texas energy pricing went up because of losses incurred in early 2021 during the infamous winterstorm that resulted in runaway prices.

Most energy companies ran into losses, but the supervising authority approved loss recovery via price increases over a number of years.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by engineer_22 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:29AM (#32411564)
Why are you making this personal?
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Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by kahmeal on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:39AM (#32411723)
You are saying dumb shit.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by roflyear on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:56AM (#32414135)
Probably true!
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by butterguns on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:31AM (#32411591)
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by post_break on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:36AM (#32411669)
Jesus, I'm so glad I'm "only" paying like half of that price.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by mdip on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:36AM (#32411673)
Food is all over the place these days as long as that place is "up".

We just stopped going to Taco Bell all together. It's kind of crazy. I can't find a reason to go there any longer. As a kid, they were so cheap[0], the running joke was that $20 worth of food there would kill a person. It was about properly priced -- despite being a fan of Taco Bell, their consistency between restaurants (better, today) was terrible in the 90s -- you'd get anywhere from 1/4-3/4 filled shells with random mixes of cheese-lettuce-GroundMeat ratio.

I took my kids there last weekend ... it was over $30.00 and I didn't eat. Fast food -- across the board -- has gone up. In my area, and I suspect most places, it's because they need to pay upwards of $18.00/hr to employ enough people to keep the store (and now restaurant) open. I expect a lot of automation is coming (and I hope like hell McDonald's fixes their terrible in-store ordering kiosk ... and that's one place where it's becoming increasingly expensive to avoid their app).

My grocery bill went from ~$100/trip to $250/trip if I don't do the majority of my shopping at ALDI. So I basically stopped grocery shopping anywhere other than ALDI[1] for anything ALDI carries. I only avoided it, before, because I have 4 options within 2 miles and ALDI is 6 miles away (I love ALDI).

I've started buying a lot of "the maintenance things[2]" at the dollar store (now $1.25, and the independent ones are now $1.00 - $5.00). You have to be careful with those because some items are a terrible deal there and some of the products are fscked up[3] but we've gotten lucky with a few trips -- consider that a 32oz bottle of the same shampoo was almost $8 at the other places and after purchasing a "test bottle" we bought out the rest and two other local stores in the chain. We do that when we find a good one and end up with enough to not have to think about it for a decade.

The saving grace, I guess, is that I haven't had a commute in two years and won't be getting having, again. I also replaced much of the rest of my driving with a OneWheel. I'm filling up my gas tank less than once a month when I was filling up more than once a week, before.

[0] At one point they were running $0.49 tacos -- mid-90s.

[1] While everything went up there, too, it went up less ... although the frozen pizzas that are a guilty pleasure of mine still land around $2.39 (they never go on sale for $1.99 any longer, though).

[2] Shampoo/Conditioner/Soap/etc, things like Band-Aids/Toothbrushes (they carry fancy manual toothbrushes which my kids use)

[3] I've gotten Shampoo from a well known brand that I've purchased at a grocery store which was "separated". I guess I could have called the 800 number; guessing it was counterfeit/meant for destruction and ended up back in the gray-market.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by jrochkind1 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:41AM (#32411757)
Kind of a side issue, but I too have noticed that Taco Bell has gone from one of the cheapest fast food places, to actually being more expensive than other fast food options. This started before the pandemic/recent economic weirdness, but perhaps has become even more so.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by bombcar on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:47AM (#32411848)
I've noticed that too, though you can maybe still escape with the $5 box for now.

Amusingly the "Dominos Coupon pizza" has stayed constant through all this, whereas everything else around here has gone up - high enough that the difference between going to Culver's or going to the bar or an actual restaurant is basically nil again.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by jrochkind1 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:07PM (#32421102)
All this talk of Taco Bell and you reminding me of the '$5 box' got me to go there today -- there is no more (or wasn't currently) the "$5 cravings box" there used to be (like even a year ago?) that had a truly ridiculous amount of food in it, including fancy items like chalupas or whatever, and more than I actually want to eat in a meal.

There IS a $5 "classic combo" that's large drink, one crispy taco, one beef burrito, chips, and a drink. Which is still way more than you can get anywhere else for $5 these days, if that's what you want to eat. While the rest of the menu is going to result in a more expensive meal than you'd get most other fast food. Although maybe I'm wrong about that, I think maybe my local McDonald's has some "combo meals" at like $13 even?!

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by bluedino on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:57AM (#32412022)
All the decent Papa Johns e-coupons went away. I used to be able to get a large 1 topping pizza at either place for $7 using the app, now it's only Domino's
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by ericd on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:19AM (#32412413)
That might just be corporate strategy? Probably different people running it now than 30 years ago, in the 90s…
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by trebbble on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:25AM (#32413544)
> I took my kids there last weekend ... it was over $30.00 and I didn't eat. Fast food -- across the board -- has gone up.

This trend predates the current inflation.

Several major fast food chains appear to have worked out more effective price discrimination schemes that involve raising their menu prices to much higher than they used to be, then offering crazy discounts in their apps or via coupons.

It's always been possible to get significant discounts on fast food with coupons, but before they seemed to think they needed to keep their menu prices at least non-crazy or it'd hurt business. Something changed and a whole bunch of them decided they no longer needed to keep menu prices in the realm of sanity—10-to-1 this happened so fast and uniformly because one or more of the big-3 management consulting firms pushed new "best practices" across the whole industry in short order.

Now the menu prices are WTF high, but you can get 50-90%(!) discounts using the apps and coupons and eat fast food daily without ever paying anywhere near menu price.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by jjav on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @04:30PM (#32417976)
I haven't been to fast foods in a handful of years but was in a hurry last week and stopped at BK. A large combo was a few coins short of $15! Whoa. This used to be about ~$6.

If that's the norm I don't see how fast food will survive. Instead I'll go to the authentic taqueria next door, which used to be about double the cost for lunch (so I didn't go so often) but now it is actually cheaper and much better.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by JJMcJ on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @04:36PM (#32418055)
When I do fast food these days I almost always get off the bargain menu (inflation means it's not the dollar menu any more). I assume they made money from it but I doubt anyplace could survive if all the orders were that cheap.

It's plenty of food, if you skip the soda it's like $3 for a small burger and fries, or a taco and a bean burrito.

I see some BK combos are within striking distance of $15. Add sales tax, easily over $1 in many locations, and there you are.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by swayvil on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:19AM (#32412405)
Oh and the quality is going down. Inching down the yogurt in the cup. Reducing nuts in the cereal. Nutty bars taste like plastic. Corners are being cut.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by EddySchauHai on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:45AM (#32412859)
Electricity is going up like mad in England too, they’ve recently changed the rules so suppliers can increase the price every 3 months instead of 6 months to allow more price changes.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by tootie on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:41AM (#32411754)
Your electricity bill is probably correlated to heat wave more than inflation (depending on where you live). Also, the headline number is a very broad indicator. Inflation hits different sectors and different regions very differently. It's not a uniform force, it's derived from thousands of data points. Also, bear in mind that a "drop" is a drop in the rate of increase. Not an actual drop in prices which is something that never happens by design.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by post_break on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:45AM (#32411818)
My electricity bill is tied to the Texas freeze recouping their costs and natural gas price spike.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by gambiting on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:32AM (#32411606)
My gas(for heating, not petrol) has literally just gone up 600%. You look at these numbers posted in the media and you think "what are they on about? What 8.5%?".
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by brianwawok on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:35AM (#32411662)
So it's an average?

If 100% of the average consumer budget was spent on heating gas, a 600% increase of heating gas would be a 600% inflation boost.

At the end of the day, we each have our own inflation #. Some may be lower, some higher.

NYT made a calc to try and show some of this: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/08/business/econ...

(In fact, one question is "do you heat your home with oil", and a Yes answer seems to jump your score up 3% or so)

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by kalnins on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:48AM (#32411877)
For me (I also use gas for heating), this would mean an increase of monthly expenses around 5-8% during winter months. (assuming 6x increase in the last winters bills). Though I don't live in an 6 bedroom glass house, so other people mileage may vary.

Though average food/fuel prices have also gone up quite a lot, so the total monthly expenses have gone up more around 20%, which is a lot more closer to actual inflation in my region.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by roflyear on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:34AM (#32411643)
Must be Europe, right?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by devin on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:36AM (#32411678)
From what to what? I don't know if you're talking about a 600% increase of a tiny number or what.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by gambiting on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:27AM (#32412540)
£0.03/kWh to £0.18/kWh.

Yes the number overall is tiny - but it still means that whatever I used to spend on heating/hot water, is now 6x higher.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by rand49an on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:07AM (#32413254)
Damn what tariff are you on? My gas is currently 7.34p/kWh with Octopus.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by gambiting on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @02:51PM (#32416761)
I'm with octopus. 7.34p/kWh is their flexible tariff, 18p/kWh is their fixed deal at the moment. My old 3p/kWh just expired and I'm not risking the price increasing even further, so I think the fixed deal is still the right way to go, even though it means increasing my price 6x right now.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by cjrp on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:29AM (#32413624)
Ditto EDF. Is op mixing up kWh and m3 perhaps?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by gambiting on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @03:41PM (#32417389)
No I'm not. The current fixed deal with Octopus here in UK is 18.53p/kWh + 48p/day as standing charge.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by cjrp on Thursday August 11, 2022 @04:29AM (#32423001)
Ahh sorry, I was mixing up £ and p for some reason!
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by kube-system on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:36AM (#32413756)
I’m guessing geopolitics is affecting your price. I’m paying 0.045 USD per kWh in for natural gas here in the US, including all fees.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by alliao on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:54AM (#32411982)
any insurance company with life insurance arm will need to increase to compensate
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by jliptzin on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:14AM (#32412320)
> My house insurance is up 30%.

Shop around

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Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by post_break on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:22AM (#32411470)
My natural gas bill used to be $16 before I used a single ccf, now it's over $20. This winter I'm going to keep the heat at 60. 1500 square foot house. My winter heating bill maxed out at like 60, I'm looking at double that this winter.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by martinald on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:29AM (#32412585)
Lol, over here in Europe natgas/electricity has went completely bananas.

In the UK the average home will be paying over $400/month for natgas and electricity as of October.

Looking at prices to fix for 12 months right now, I saw Octopus energy offering:

Electricity: 74p/kWh (~91c/kWh)

Gas: 18p/kWh (22c/kWh, or i think 6.5c/ccf?)

For context I was on a 24 month fixed rate last year for 11p/kWh for electricity - so a 600%+ increase in the space of a year.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by mrep on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:34AM (#32411635)
Do you not have base charges? I'm paying ~$50 a month even if I use no gas.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by roflyear on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @03:43PM (#32417401)
No, I do not.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by roflyear on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:23AM (#32411487)
Yeah, $16-$20 is not huge. % wise sure but natural gas in the US is insanely cheap.

$60 for a month of heat for a 1500 sqft home is insanely cheap. If you had oil you'd be looking at north of $200.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by wil421 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:30AM (#32411582)
It’s costs me about $100-$160 a month in the winter for gas to heat my home in the Deep South. My area is upgrading gas lines and now the base surcharge is $35. However that’s not a forever charge.

My price per therm has more than doubled when I renewed this year. That won’t mean my bill doubled as there about $40 or so in fixed costs before gas use is accounted for.

Edited winter numbers above:

December: $100

January: $120*

February: $160

March: $90

*out of town for one week.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by pojzon on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:16AM (#32412353)
To make you feel a little bit better:

For similar size house in energy-efficient building tech we pay around 300$ per winter month for heating.

And its “cheap” because house is well isolated. (EU)

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by wil421 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:53AM (#32413015)
Yes I do feel better. By energy efficient do you mean newer construction? I assume it wouldn’t be old stone construction (EU/UK old world stuff) that would be sucking up heat in winter.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by pojzon on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @07:13PM (#32419619)
Its a new building from 2020.

Thats how much prices went up in EU.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by roflyear on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:36AM (#32411674)
How big is your house? That is an insane price to pay. I owned a home in vermont and heated with gas and paid around that.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by kube-system on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:02PM (#32414222)
Insulation, construction style, and usage makes a gigantic difference. Two houses of the same size right next to each other could be using 400% different amounts of energy.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by wil421 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:46AM (#32411823)
Around 2,200sqft but that doesn’t include a half basement (heated) and half garage (unheated but gets some heat). Updating my numbers above $170 was an exception.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by curiousllama on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:20AM (#32411445)
gasoline
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by roflyear on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:22AM (#32411474)
Who refers to buying gasoline as their "gas bill" ??? lol? You don't get billed for gas.. confusing statements.

Anyway, gasoline is going way down.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by 2000UltraDeluxe on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @09:22AM (#32411476)
I.e. "petrol" for the rest of us. :)
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by Yizahi on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:17AM (#32412358)
Or "benzin" :)
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by RC_ITR on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:00AM (#32412074)
One thing about inflation is that it will never go back down.

Best case scenario is it stops growing.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by jonnycomputer on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:27AM (#32412553)
Of course it goes down. Take a look at this chart, expand to 10y or max; inflation was about -0.75% in early 2020. In fact, it went into negative territory many times in the last decade. Prices go down during recessions, particularly.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-rate-mo...

OTOH, the Fed has goal of maintaining a 2% inflation target; so in the long run you can expect it to go up. For many many years before the pandemic, it failed to achieve that goal. Inflation was too low; which means job growth, wage growth, and gdp was below potential.

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by RC_ITR on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:38PM (#32414813)
Prices are an index and very rarely is the index not at an ath. Even in The periods you mentioned, the index was only off ath for a month or 3 and that’s mostly noise from Energy prices, so no it never reached a new equilibrium below where it was (that would be disastrous)

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=SF8B

Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by honkkong420 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:58AM (#32413103)
But our unemployment rates were so low in 2019, how could they have been lower with higher inflation?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by celtain on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:45AM (#32413947)
We have seen unemployment fall slightly below 2019 levels, but the more significant result of greater demand stimulation would have been reaching those levels of unemployment much faster, rather than taking a decade to recover from the great recession.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by honkkong420 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:33PM (#32415669)
That seems to be entirely explained by labor force participation. Note the skyrocketing amounts of people with more than one job
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by jonnycomputer on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:50AM (#32414025)
high employment and higher inflation can go hand in hand, actually, just high unemployment and deflation can (in a recession).
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by honkkong420 on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @01:34PM (#32415683)
Yeah that’s my point, inflation rates don’t really influence unemployment rates except at the margin
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by meragrin_ on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:16AM (#32412348)
This is the one thing which pisses me off when corporate brass justify not adjusting pay because "inflation is just transitory".
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by sangnoir on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @11:26AM (#32413560)
Do you mean prices, perhaps? Inflation is a derivative and can go down to zero with prices being unchanged
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by RC_ITR on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:42PM (#32414874)
Do you mean the inflation rate?
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by werdnapk on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @10:19AM (#32412398)
Deflation can occur; it's rare, but it's not a never scenario.
Re:U.S. annual inflation rate drops to 8.5% by RC_ITR on Wednesday August 10, 2022 @12:41PM (#32414858)
It has never occurred for more than a few months in The past 50 years and has never returned to a new equilibrium below where it was.

This is also a data resolution problem. Sure we measure in months, but is that a reasonable resolution? Why not days? Years? Etc.