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Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Steve6 on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:25PM (#47898342)
I migrated from Firefox to Brave years ago, and it's been incredible. It's easy to turn off the crypto stuff and turn on more advanced privacy protection. Then it's just a fast browser with awesome adblocking.

My favorite recent feature has been Brave Scriptlets, which are just little javascript functions you can run on specific sites. I've replaced most of the add ons I used with small scripts. Pretty nice.

I would prefer an engine not built on Chromium... but I've lost faith in Mozilla. I'm glad that Firefox added a built in adblock engine, but it seems too late too late. Brave has been awesome, and being Chromium based gives them time to keep working on stuff that matters.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by esperent on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:27PM (#47898356)
Even better now that they have a paid offering with all that crap stripped out (Brave Origin) which is free on Linux.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by pogue on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:48PM (#47898463)
Everyone has made these Brave debloat tools that basically do the same thing as their ridiculous Origin offering.

To sell for $60 a web browser that technically has all the features removed is a pretty goofy move.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by cr125rider on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:15AM (#47898588)
Eh that’s a common business model. Pay to get the ads removed is basically the same thing.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by pogue on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:20AM (#47898608)
Well, I'll link to this video review by Techlore.

Brave Just Released a Paid Browser: Here's What You Need to Know https://youtube.com/watch?v=3i5KH0l895o

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by tjoff on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:54AM (#47899849)
Just watched it. Brave Origin seems like a superior product in every single way.

I don't trust Brave though and don't want to use chromium.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by topspin on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:29AM (#47898921)
> a pretty goofy move

I'm doing a goofy thing and buying it, despite knowing I can debloat Brave, because I already do that. I didn't know this existed till I read this thread. I've been benefitting from Brave for many years now; it's great that they've provided a way to pay for this without dealing with the crypto stuff, and I'm extremely happy to do so, because they deserve some of my money.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by chappi42 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:51AM (#47899308)
I'll also pay and support their work to provide a really good browser (which needed a bit debloating).
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by esperent on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:08AM (#47899109)
That's such a weird reaction. There's constantly, for years, people here asking for Firefox to just start offering a paid version to get away from needing support from Google. And yet when someone actually does that apparently it's goofy and we should just be manually stripping that out without paying.

If you can't afford it or don't want to pay, fine. But why are you trying to influence other people to do that by labelling it "goofy"?

How would you strip those things out mobile, by the way?

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by drnick1 on Wednesday April 29, 2026 @11:00AM (#47949391)
Free or "libre?" Brave Origin seems like a good idea, but I wouldn't use it until it becomes part of mainstream Linux repos and can be built independently.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by coffeeling on Friday May 08, 2026 @08:02PM (#48070278)
Both. Brave is FOSS.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by armada651 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:25AM (#47898634)
> It's easy to turn off the crypto stuff

I'm living under a rock, but my first thought was that you turned off TLS.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by the-grump on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:34AM (#47898672)
If your mind goes to TLS when you read crypto, you surely do live under a rock ... in bliss.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by dlcarrier on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:59AM (#47898771)
Instead of turning it off, you can just make it useless: https://youtu.be/M1si1y5lvkk
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by devsda on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:51AM (#47898743)
As a developer, personally I would be worried if that wasn't my first thought when someone uses browser and crypto together :D
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by abdullahkhalids on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:29AM (#47898651)
The Greasemonkey Firefox addon that allows you to run site specific JS has been around for two decades [1].

[1] https://www.greasespot.net/2005/03/

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Brybry on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:43AM (#47898994)
And they even have a name: userscripts! [1]

Chrome also used to natively support userscripts back in 2010 [2] but they mostly killed it off

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Userscript

[2] https://lifehacker.com/chrome-4-supports-greasemonkey-usersc...

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by halapro on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:35AM (#47898949)
It certainly is great to have first-party support for such a simple feature. It doesn't have to support the whole GM_ API
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by notafox on Sunday April 26, 2026 @12:52PM (#47911735)
There's also Violentmonkey [1][2] (which is said to be more lightweight) and Tampermonkey.

Tampermonkey has analytics enabled, and is closed source.

Here's a comprehensive summary on all three. [3]

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/violentmonkey

[2] https://violentmonkey.github.io/

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26057106

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by dlcarrier on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:04AM (#47898790)
It's too bad that Mozilla does everything they can to alienate its users, with failed attempts to attract a different but non-existent new user-base. Without them, and with Safari being run by a company that likes to tie its software to its hardware, there's pretty much no reasonable non-Chrome-based web browsers, so it's the new Internet Explorer, and many web pages only work on it, because no one tests their web pages on anything else.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by unethical_ban on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:42AM (#47899265)
I simply have no idea why people hate on Firefox so much. I mean it, it feels like an outlet for frustration toward an org people think might listen.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by search_facility on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:13AM (#47899949)
With current standartization the issue of "page not working on non-Chrome browser" is non-existent. Thanks god nowadays everything (pages) work everywhere in very similar manner, I am using chrome, firefox, safary and opera and have zero problems last 5+ years. Old days are gone.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jeroenhd on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:20AM (#47899986)
People online rant about Firefox all the time for adding stuff Google and Microsoft shoved into their Chromium forks a few years ago, but when they do it the response is always "well what did you expect from <x>" while when Mozilla does it, the response is "this is an outrage, I'm switching to <some browser that already has the shitty feature anyway>".

I don't think there is or ever will be a "new internet explorer". If your page works in Chrome, there's a 99% chance it'll work in Firefox and Safari. Web standards have been unified to the point painting and layout algorithms are now part of the spec. It's why Ladybird managed to get a decently compatible engine in an extremely short time frame.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Latty on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:38AM (#47900360)
And people treat Mozilla like the devil when while they make mistakes, they routinely fix them too. E.g: when people had concerns about the AI stuff, they added a general opt out with a feature-by-feature opt-in.

To make an obviously unproven and not universal observation: I feel like it's people who just like the google integration in Chrome and want an excuse to run it, even though they feel like they should use Firefox because it's more compatible with their world view, so they latch onto any issues Firefox has to go "see, they are all the same anyway", and then just repeat vague "Mozilla sucks" stuff.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by swed420 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:49AM (#47900699)
> I feel like it's people who just like the google integration in Chrome and want an excuse to run it, even though they feel like they should use Firefox because it's more compatible with their world view

What world view is this? Considering that Mozilla is a puppet Google basically owns if you look at where the funding comes from.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by vachina on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:23AM (#47898888)
I don’t see how supporting Chromium is better than not supporting an alternate rendering engine. Firefox for the end-user is fantastic.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by eduction on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:08AM (#47899102)
People build on chromium for the same reason they build on Linux. I’d personally prefer if they built on illumos or bsd but at a certain point people would rather spend their innovation budget higher up the stack and benefit from the platform that has the most open source engineers working on it.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by MarsIronPI on Saturday April 25, 2026 @11:07AM (#47902064)
Except it turns out that it's a good thing that the alternative implementations exist. Standards are meaningless if there's only one implementer.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by eduction on Thursday April 30, 2026 @09:24PM (#47970342)
Preaching to the choir!
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Markoff on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:32AM (#47899225)
Why not Cromite (or Ultimatum, Helium)? Hard to understand why someone reading HN use browser without extensions support.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by charcircuit on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:09AM (#47899392)
Brave has extensions support. You can get them from the regular chrome store for them.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Markoff on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:38AM (#47907656)
not on phone

even less reason to use it on desktop

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jasonvorhe on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:32AM (#47899739)
Do any of them support sync ootb, selfhosted?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Daedren on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:22AM (#47900257)
I don't think the parent poster is talking about Android.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Zardoz84 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:49AM (#47899299)
uBlock Origin was and is the BEST adblock. And it was one of the fist suggested add-ons when you get in the add-ons page. It should have been integrated.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by trueno on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:01AM (#47899613)
i've never known what to think about brave because it was being pitched by cryptocurrency bros so i've always ignored its existence. who are these guys and is it genuinely good software?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by rpdillon on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:04AM (#47901238)
Brave has probably the most comprehensive and transparent page of any browser available about what features it supports, how it makes money, and who is behind it.

https://brave.com/about/

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by nananana9 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:03AM (#47899621)
"The first thing you have to do is to turn off the cryptocurrency stuff."

Fantastic first impression. I'm good, thanks.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by aucisson_masque on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:27AM (#47899727)
Lol. That's actually pretty bad for a web browser.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by NoboruWataya on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:28AM (#47900292)
Can you imagine the absolute boiling rage in these comments if Firefox implemented the same kind of opt-out "crypto stuff".
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by homebrewer on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:36AM (#47900348)
It is opt-in. The amount of FUD in these threads is unbelievable, both against Mozilla, Brave, or anything else really.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by wallst07 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:48AM (#47900696)
There is a single toggle to turn this off, if it makes people rage so much for something you get for free (I realize not free beer/freedom) then I don't know what else to say.

To be clear, the toggle is to turn off the 'wallet' feature that isn't even enabled until you use it. So you are just disabling seeing the thing at all... with a simple toggle.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by silver_silver on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:56AM (#47900745)
You are missing the forest for the trees my friend
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by nananana9 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:02AM (#47900770)
I also have to disable the "acceptable ads", with a simple toggle.

And the AI bullshit from their builtin search engine, I'd guess that too is a simple toggle.

Without googling, I'd put good money that there's a thing called "Brave VPN" in the homepage by default, and I have to disable that with a simple toggle.

In two years I may have to disable the crypto-miner, still with a simple toggle, of course, very user convenient.

This is the entire industry in a nutshell. Everyone, from every direction, at all times, is trying to squeeze you for a few cents with antagonistic "features" enabled by default. I have very little patience for this.

"But it's a simple click." Have some self respect, we can do better than this.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ndisn on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:42AM (#47901516)
Correct. You have to spend a while in settings disabling stuff.

The browser does not re-enable the things you have disabled, but they keep implementing new stuff that you have to disable too.

It’s annoying, although that’s how most software works nowadays (and I include Firefox unfortunately). You have to disable a lot of stuff to make it usable.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jasonvorhe on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:26AM (#47899720)
But Brave was founded by someone who donated 8k in favor of a conservative anti gay legislation instead of going straight for Epstein island stuff so you're already half a fascist for using Brave, so better not run it on a Framework computer using Omarchy or the transition will be complete and your right arm will keep on twitching.

At least that's the nonsense you hear when you recommend Brave as a decent alternative to someone.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jeroenhd on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:23AM (#47899999)
Brave being led by an absolute asshole does indeed make it less palatable as a main browser to me. It's on the list, right after the crypto stuff and the full page ads on the new tab screen that are enabled by default.

It's still the best Chromelike that's easily available, but I'm not switching my default any time soon.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by eknkc on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:35AM (#47900052)
I mean he also invented the fucking JavaScript.

At that rate one needs to abolish all modern technology and go tribal. Cause I’m certain my toothbrush runs JavaScript.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Latty on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:41AM (#47900374)
There is an obvious difference between someone who is still actively involved in running something and working on it, profiting from it's success in the market, and using something someone invented but is no longer leading development of or profiting from.

It's normal and reasonable to discover someone who makes bad decisions is running something and decide that makes using it a higher risk for you. Sometimes you don't have a choice, but sometimes you do.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by MarsIronPI on Saturday April 25, 2026 @11:10AM (#47902084)
People who make social decisions you don't like don't always make technical decisions you don't like. I can't stand JWZ, but XScreenSaver is a good piece of software. I wouldn't trust him in any part of government, but I would run XScreenSaver on my computer.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by wallst07 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:53AM (#47900721)
> so you're already half a fascist for using Brave,

Are you really calling the 100M monthly brave users half fascist? Can you explain more how you reach this conclusion, specifically relative to every other product you judge people for using?

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jasonvorhe on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:18AM (#47900852)
Read my comment again and you'll have your answer.

Come on.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by daneel_w on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:45AM (#47901537)
OP was making a sarcastic joke, but nobody bothers reading the second paragraph to understand that.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by PufPufPuf on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:46AM (#47900682)
So like... Google Chrome with adblocker and Tampermonkey bundled? Just need to disable the cryptocurrency stuff? You don't really make it sound good.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jim33442 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:04PM (#47903289)
What's the alternative if you want full ad-blocking in a Chromium browser? I use Firefox normally and wouldn't trust Brave, but there are some sites FF doesn't work with, so it's understandable why some people wouldn't use it.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by PufPufPuf on Sunday April 26, 2026 @11:29AM (#47911099)
What doesn't work with Firefox?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jim33442 on Monday April 27, 2026 @12:39PM (#47923890)
I don't remember, it's usually a random poorly-made site like the DMV or a budget airline. Reddit used to have issues but not anymore.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by caineodactyl on Wednesday May 06, 2026 @09:19PM (#48044270)
Helium(comes with UBO) or Ungoogled Chromium with UBO sideloaded.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by type0 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:51PM (#47904037)
There's a minimal version called Brave Origin https://brave.com/sv/ublock-origin-alternative/
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by devsda on Friday April 24, 2026 @10:52PM (#47898192)
I hope this isn't a precursor to removing support for other AdBlock addons(MV2) citing native availability of an AdBlock engine and then gradually shift to acceptable ads etc.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by OsrsNeedsf2P on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:17PM (#47898312)
The day Firefox drops MV2 is the day I find a new browser. We're already at <1% usershare, it's not like there's safety in numbers here
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by pogue on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:50PM (#47898475)
I'd be genuinely curious what you could switch to that still has MV2 because, AFAIK, Firefox is the last holdout.

Brave still allows you to install uBlock & some other extensions that should technically not be supported under MV3, but they still ship it with support for those.

Just heard about Helium browser, which is just dechromium + uBlock and it's still beta.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by cookiengineer on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:01AM (#47898529)
> I'd be genuinely curious what you could switch to that still has MV2 because, AFAIK, Firefox is the last holdout.

My last hope is ladybird right now, I don't use Firefox or Chrome as my main browsers anymore, and use them only within temporary sandboxes. Without history, without cookies, without logins for the most part.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by pogue on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:17AM (#47898594)
You use ladybird as your primary web browser? And it works?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by cookiengineer on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:32AM (#47898665)
For the most part, it doesn't. It's not a consumer ready browser, but a pretty nice little rendering engine. If you use ladybird as bindings, it's a bit unstable right now because they are refactoring a lot of parts in the codebase.

I built my own tools on top of it, mostly to use internet websites and selfhosted kiwix archives with my local agentic env.

I guess what I am saying is that I don't have a primary browser anymore. Not a browser where I just can trust it that it doesn't do shit with my data. Being able to selfhost kiwix is a superb internet experience if you build your own search dashboard for it, I can fully recommend it.

Have to merge my things upstream with ZIMdex when I have the time (probably around June).

[1] WIP https://github.com/cookiengineer/exocomp

[2] WIP https://github.com/cookiengineer/zimdex

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by tgv on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:23AM (#47899445)
It seems to me that --unless you really, strictly compartimentalize your browser usage--, using multiple browsers will only supply your data to more parties.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by el_io on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:21AM (#47898617)
Ladybird supports MV2? I had no idea they have extensions.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by laserbeam on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:04AM (#47898788)
Ladybird is many years away from being usable by a casual human. The hope is it turns out to be a great browser eventually.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Zardoz84 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:51AM (#47899312)
Good luck with the main developer being in the alt right.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by cookiengineer on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:17AM (#47899424)
> Good luck with the main developer being in the alt right.

Sources? I can't find anything on that via google/ddg (Germany)

edit: oof.

[1] https://drewdevault.com/blog/Cloudflare-and-fascists/

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by imtringued on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:36AM (#47900350)
Isn't this blog post more evidence that drewdevault became an extreme leftist?

I mean he's basically going off a checklist of leftist stereotypes here and trying to check as many of them as possible.

Meanwhile the other guy he's criticising is literally just a standard right-wing conservative, not far right, not alt right, just the regular kind. The far right I've seen is basically beyond the idea of being merely anti-immigration, they demand ICE style mass deportations immediately and in every country.

If both of them met in a bar through sheer coincidence, I'd expect drewdevault to start the fight.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by HauntingPin on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:27AM (#47901424)
Sorry, but painting these people as "standard right-wing" is just evidence for the shifting of the Overton window further to the right. White replacement theory and expressing support for an alt-right ideologue who manipulated people with bad faith, dishonest and downright monstrous arguments is not "standard right-wing".

Charlie Kirk was for mass deportation. He didn't even hide it. He said it openly. How do you come off saying that these people aren't far-right or alt-right when they are unabashedly so?

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lukan on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:59AM (#47901625)
Well, the overtone window certainly changed, but ... I judge a bit different here.

"expressing support for an alt-right ideologue"

This is what Kling actually said:

"RIP Charlie Kirk

I hope many more debate nerds carry on his quest to engage young people with words, not fists."

I also support fighting with words, not fists. I do not support his ideology at all and would have loved to debate him openly, but the concept of murdering someone for having the wrong opinion is disturbing to me, so I agree with Kling here.

And about "white replacement"

"'White males are actively discriminated against in tech.

It’s an open secret of Silicon Valley.'

One of the last meetings I attended before leaving Apple (in 2017) was management asking us to “keep the corporate diversity targets in mind” when interviewing potential new hires.

The phrasing was careful, but the implication was pretty clear.

I knew in my heart this wasn’t wholesome, but I was too scared to rock the boat at the time."

He said whites were discriminated for being white. Not replaced. That is not really the same to me.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by krapp on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:40AM (#47901497)
>White replacement theory and expressing support for an alt-right ideologue who manipulated people with bad faith, dishonest and downright monstrous arguments is not "standard right-wing".

It is now. That's what the shifting of the Overton Window and normalization of right-wing ideology does. These aren't fringe beliefs anymore, they're commonly held, mainstream right-wing views. They're policy within the US government. Charlie Kirk was treated as a martyr and a hero by the administration. He was treated with more dignity and respect than war veterans. The DHS posts memes about mass deportation.

The "far right" and "alt-right" no longer exist. Those labels are no longer useful and no longer describe reality.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lukan on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:17AM (#47901366)
Oof indeed. Now I know that Kling is indeed open towards some alt right positions, but I really wouldn't call him a fascist for that. Conservative probably, but conflating conservative positions with fascism is probably not helpful in the fight against the real fascists.

But also oof to .. some other items there from the blog. Apparently rsync is now banned from the list of acceptable software, because they do not ban LLM's completely?

https://drewdevault.com/blog/rsync-without-rsync/

Sounds like you will never run out of problems, with a ideology like this.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by imcritic on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:04AM (#47901647)
Aren't fascists the ones that want you to correct your language?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by throwawaypath on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:46PM (#47903168)
Linking a pedo-leftist schizophrenic's blog post as "proof" does the complete opposite of supporting the claim.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by cookiengineer on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:03PM (#47904119)
> Linking a pedo-leftist schizophrenic's blog post as "proof" does the complete opposite of supporting the claim.

Sources for those pretty serious claims?

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by throwawaypath on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:30PM (#47904323)
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by throwawaypath on Wednesday April 29, 2026 @02:50PM (#47952680)
My flagged post above:

Linking a pedo-leftist schizophrenic's blog post as "proof" does the complete opposite of supporting the claim.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by throwawaypath on Monday April 27, 2026 @02:06PM (#47925090)
Linking a pedo-Marxists schizophrenic's blog post as "proof" does the complete opposite of supporting the claim.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by nuker on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:49AM (#47898735)
> Firefox is the last holdout.

Nope, FF is being infiltrated by adtech for last year or two. Last holdout is Safari now :)

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ThePowerOfFuet on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:53AM (#47899041)
You cannot install uBlock Origin on Safari.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by 16bitvoid on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:32AM (#47899226)
The Lite version, same as on Chrome, is actually available for Safari. Still not as good as the full one on Firefox though.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id674534269...

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by trueno on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:58AM (#47899603)
what's the diff between lite and full? i dont even remember what i use on safari, wipr or something. mostly use firefox but sometimes i casually just let things launch in safari
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by trueno on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:15AM (#47907569)
really appreciate you dropping links thank you!
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by mort96 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:17AM (#47899429)
Exactly.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by fsflover on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:13AM (#47901336)
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by rs_rs_rs_rs_rs on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:48AM (#47899022)
>Last holdout is Safari now

Why do people say crap like this... Safari was the first browser to completely remove mv2. From all the major browsers Safari has the worse adblocking experience and support for adblocking extensions...

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by nuker on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:36AM (#47899244)
> Why do people say crap like this...

1. Third-party cookie blocking by default — 2003 (Safari 1.0); industry first.

2. Intelligent Tracking Prevention (ITP), using on-device machine learning to identify and limit cross-site trackers — 2017; industry first.

3. Storage Access API prompts for embedded third-party content (e.g., social login widgets) — 2018 (ITP 2.0); industry first (co-developed by WebKit, later adopted as a web standard).

4. Full third-party cookie blocking (no exceptions) — 2020 (ITP in Safari 13.1); industry first for a major browser.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by potatoproduct on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:55AM (#47899587)
Apple only does things to progress their own business model. Apple failed at becoming an ad business so they pivoted to subscriptions and app revenue. Now they are building an ad business. Just look at their ad revenue.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by nottorp on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:26AM (#47899460)
That's what the marketing department says.

Ad/tracking blocking is one of the things that can only be trusted if it's open source, i.e. uBlock Origin.

By the way, does this Adblock Engine actually block trackers? Or it just stops the ads from displaying?

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by saagarjha on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:44AM (#47900090)
ITP is mostly part of WebKit and open source.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Pay08 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:38AM (#47899511)
I don't know if Edge supports MV2, but they do have uBlock available and it works just as well as on Firefox.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by skeeter2020 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:54AM (#47901121)
It may look like it works "just as well" but that's not true. There are numerous things that impact performance and effectiveness that are not possible with chromium-based browsers, or at least have to be done inefficiently, including

* pre-fetching

* html filtering

* use of WebAssembly

* data compression and private/incognito mode

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Pay08 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:58AM (#47901984)
Edge has its own extension API in addition to the Chromium one, it's possible that they've managed to mitigate or eliminate these problems.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by feverzsj on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:15AM (#47900225)
Helium still supports MV2, because the upstream hasn't removed related code. They basically turn on/off some macros to enable MV2 again. And this won't last long for sure.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by raudette on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:18AM (#47900517)
Safari still supports MV2
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ximm on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:56AM (#47899054)
Firefox supports webRequestBlocking with MV3, so even if they fully remove support for MV2, ad blocking is still available.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by TiredOfLife on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:39AM (#47899517)
Mozilla refused to approve MV3 version of uBlock Origin
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:55AM (#47899584)
That's a problem, but an almost completely orthogonal one to MV2 being deprecated.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by the_gipsy on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:24AM (#47899714)
I wouldn't say completely orthogonal.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Narushia on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:40AM (#47899787)
That's probably why they qualified it with 'almost'.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by the_gipsy on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:30AM (#47900915)
I would say "almost orthogonal".
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Perepiska on Monday April 27, 2026 @03:33AM (#47918736)
Like "partially pregnant" :)
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Monday April 27, 2026 @05:43AM (#47919558)
How are correlation or orthogonality binary conditions? Things can be almost (but not entirely) unrelated to other things as well.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Ygg2 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:59AM (#47900147)
Why? Any links to this decision?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by HauntingPin on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:20AM (#47901381)
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:54AM (#47899582)
What exactly is your gripe with MV3?

Many people seem to treat it synonymously with "no more procedural request blocking", but that's not a thing Mozilla ever did:

> For Manifest V3 extensions, Chrome no longer supports the "webRequestBlocking" permission (except for policy-installed extensions). Instead, the "webRequest" and "webRequestAuthProvider" permissions enable you to supply credentials asynchronously. Firefox continues to support "webRequestBlocking" in Manifest V3 and provides "webRequestAuthProvider" to offer cross-browser compatibility.

The permission model also seems much more reasonable (less permissions have to be requested upfront at install time) than MV2, so I actually hope Firefox does deprecate it at some point.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/Web...

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/firefox-manifest-v3-adbl...

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by michaelt on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:22AM (#47900550)
> What exactly is your gripe with MV3?

Running an adblocker is the defining feature of the extensions API. ublock origin has 5x as many users as the second-most-popular extension [1]

Supporting ublock isn't just a nice-to-have add-on feature for an extension API, it's literally the only thing most users care about.

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/search/?promoted=re...

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by crazygringo on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:28AM (#47901432)
But MV3 supports uBlock Origin Lite.

Which, in my experience, blocks ads just as well, but also lets pages load significantly faster.

MV3 supports uBlock.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by brycewray on Saturday April 25, 2026 @11:13AM (#47902105)
Just as one example: Chrome + uBoL on Reddit will show you plenty of "Sponsored" stuff. You can use Inspector to find the offending CSS classes and then use `display: none` on them with something like Stylus[0], but not everybody wants to play that whack-a-mole game on the many sites that push uBoL past its blocking capabilities.

[0]: https://github.com/openstyles/stylus

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by gorhill on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:20PM (#47902581)
Reddit's sponsored posts are blocked by default in uBOL when using _optimal_ (default) or _complete_ mode.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by brycewray on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:37PM (#47902699)
I will recheck my uBOL settings, then, sir. Thank you for your work!

EDIT: I did have it set to `Complete,` so perhaps I have something else going on.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by gorhill on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:46PM (#47903581)
Best is to report the issue using the "Report an issue" in the popup panel while on Reddit site. There could be other issues causing this, for instance if you didn't grant uBOL the permission to inject scripts on the site. Depending on which browser/os the issue occurs, we should be able to narrow down potential causes.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by theturtletalks on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:30PM (#47903889)
As the creator of UBO, what are your thoughts on uBO vs uBOL? Do you think Firefox’s MV3 will be an issue down the line?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by brycewray on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:26PM (#47904300)
> There could be other issues causing this, for instance if you didn't grant uBOL the permission to inject scripts on the site.

Bingo. That was it. Again, thanks.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Moldoteck on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:37AM (#47901488)
It supports limited ublock functionality, not all of it, which will gradually be exploited by ad corps like google unless you think those are saints
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by crazygringo on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:13PM (#47903338)
The point is that it supports everything that currently matters in any substantial way.

Lots of people have been pointing out that ad companies will figure ways out around it. But they really haven't been.

MV3 and UBOL have been in wide usage for about a year and a half now. And nothing has been changing. Adblocking continues to be great.

The fact of the matter is, the ad block lists were getting so large and the JavaScript functionality was slow and it was significantly impacting page load times. UBOL uses vastly more efficient compiled code that is part of the browser and is just a far better ad blocking experience altogether.

But I guess that just doesn't fit the narrative that people want to believe, where MV3 was part of a big evil plan.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Moldoteck on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:48AM (#47907987)
the narrative that google, largest ad company proposed MV3 which limits current functionality of UBO so that UBO Lite can be implemented? Yeah, such a narrative... It's clear google is our buddy here who will never squeeze and exploit any option to push more intrusive and targeted ads and we should totally trust it
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:46PM (#47903579)
It supports everything on Firefox on MV3, but not on Chrome.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ragall on Saturday April 25, 2026 @11:23AM (#47902165)
Most definitely not as well.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by crazygringo on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:15PM (#47903359)
It most definitely is as well. In fact it's better because you don't have the slower page loading times anymore.

And everyone I know who used UBO and switched to UBOL has had no complaints about ads not being blocked.

Whereas people who don't actually use it love to continue to insist that it's this degraded experience that doesn't work as well. And usually when one of them comes up with an example of some ad not being blocked, it turns out because they hadn't configured UBOL to use complete blocking mode.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ragall on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:06PM (#47904540)
> And everyone I know

Everyone who you know is irrelevant. I've tested and see that ads pass through, and tracking passes through with uBo light on Chrome. I can see it in the browser trace, and I can see it in DNS logs.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by crazygringo on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:12PM (#47904576)
Your test is irrelevant. There is always going to be some tiny percentage of ads that passed through with any ad blocker. So the fact that you have seen ads passed through with it doesn't actually mean anything.

The only thing that means anything is how well it operates with your average browsing on a daily basis. And it's such a popular extension because it does an amazing job at blocking ads. That's just a fact. The only people who seem to claim otherwise appear to be the ones with an ideological axe to grind. It's silly.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:08PM (#47905510)
So you’re familiar with everybody’s web browsing? Impressive!
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ragall on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:02PM (#47905458)
Your opinion is nothingness. I've tested on the same page that uBo on Firefox blocks more than Chrome, and especially it blocks hidden tracking. That's the reality. All else is irrelevant.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by crazygringo on Sunday April 26, 2026 @09:28AM (#47910168)
Your one-page test is "nothingness." The internet does not consist of one page.

And other things are relevant, like resource usage.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ragall on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:42PM (#47912188)
Bla bla bla, little man. You're arguing in such a bad faith that I can only assume you're one of the Chrome developers, who've been pushing the same bullshit argument that users want better performance not better blocking. That is, of course, a lie and very self-serving from them.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by crazygringo on Sunday April 26, 2026 @07:28PM (#47915953)
Your comment is inappropriate. Please read the guidelines.

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

> Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by breve on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:57PM (#47906579)
> It most definitely is as well.

No. uBlock Origin works best in Firefox: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

uBlock Origin Lite can't do everything uBlock Origin does: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/wiki/Frequently-as...

If Lite is working for you then good. If you want fuller capability then you want uBlock Origin in Firefox.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ben-schaaf on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:29PM (#47906099)
UBO lite has a long list of all the types of filters that aren't possibly under MV3: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/wiki/Frequently-as...

Not sure about page load, but CPU time is about the same between the two: https://x.com/gorhill/status/1792648742752981086/photo/1

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Monday April 27, 2026 @05:44AM (#47919568)
This list only applies to Chrome, so it's completely irrelevant when talking about Firefox.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Hizonner on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:02AM (#47901639)
Reading comprehension is the defining feature of a good commenter.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by MarsIronPI on Saturday April 25, 2026 @11:01AM (#47902013)
Firefox's MV3 implementation doesn't remove the original netRequest API though IIRC.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jim33442 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:00PM (#47903268)
Look I'm not an expert in web browsers, but I defer to those extension authors who definitely are. There's some reason uBO doesn't work well in MV3 even though they tried. Whatever technical explanation there is for why MV3 is fine, there's some caveat not mentioned.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:48PM (#47903595)
That’s because Chrome removed an important API in their MV3 implementation, not because the MV3 specification mandates said removal.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by globalnode on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:20AM (#47899695)
If Raymond Hill says blocking doesnt work anymore, ill use... umm... Lynx?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by zephyreon on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:13PM (#47898288)
Could definitely be writing on the wall that MV2 support will be deprecated in the future but imo not necessarily a bad thing if it’s not actively developed anyways. Maintaining both MV2 & MV3 support isn’t easily sustainable long term when you factor in the need to prioritize other features.

That said, if this is writing on the wall I’d hope they’ll listen to the community this time and allow the engine to be extended / make it such that a block all ads feature always exists. I’m cautiously optimistic given Mozilla’s track record just over the past year-ish. They have released some great new features that help bring Firefox closer to feature parity with other browsers.

I am a Firefox hopeful and recently switched back to using it as my daily driver when Arc went belly up (but mainly for uBlock Origin support).

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by charleslmunger on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:25PM (#47898341)
>Maintaining both MV2 & MV3 support isn’t easily sustainable long term when you factor in the need to prioritize other features.

There is no feature Firefox provides that is more differentiating than ublock origin. As long as pages load and security issues are patched it is the reason to choose Firefox as a browser. What would they prioritize over it?

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by zephyreon on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:28PM (#47898361)
I’d like to see more investment in their new profile manager. It feels pretty barebones at the moment. Arc had the ability to link profiles to “spaces” and you could easily switch between them without opening a new window. It was very nice to so easily swap between personal, work, & side business.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by collabs on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:15AM (#47898586)
The multi user containers are also very nice.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by gawa on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:33AM (#47900046)
And to go one step further, for achieving a profile-per-firefox-window workflow, I suggest to have a look at the underrated extension Sticky Window Containers [0]

While far from being perfect, I find it good enough for keeping things separated, especially when using a desktop/workspace workflow. For example, in workspace/desktop 2 I have a Firefox window opened with the first tab set to "container A", so hitting ctrl-t there opens new tabs with the same container "A", so I'm logged-in for all projects A. In another Firefox window in workspace 3 I work with "business project B" tabs (where I'm logged into different atlassian, github, cloud, gmail, ...)

Then with a Window Manager like i3wm or Sway I set keybinds to jump directly to the window (and workspace), using the mark feature [1]

It's also possible to open websites directly in specific containers so it's flexible. For example on my desktop 8 I have all my AI webchats in "wherever my company pay for it" tabs: `firefox --new-window 'ext+container:name=loggedInPersonnal&url=https://chat.mistral.ai' 'ext+container:name=loggedInBusinessA&url=https://chatgpt.com' 'ext+container:name=loggedInBusinessB&url=https://gemini.google.com' 'ext+container:name=loggedInBusinessB&url=https://claude.ai'`

It's also the only way I found to keep opened multiple chat apps (Teams, Slack, Discord, ...). The alternative electron apps are as resource-hungry, and in my experience never handled multiple accounts well (especially Teams).

[O] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sticky-window...

[1] https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#vim_like_marks

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:57AM (#47899597)
And there's nothing in MV2 that uBlock Origin needs that doesn't exist in MV3 on Firefox, unlike Chrome. This issue is completely overblown.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by curt15 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:33AM (#47900327)
Are you disputing uBlock Origin's list of MV3-incompatible capabilities [1]?

[1] https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/wiki/Frequently-as...

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by andrewaylett on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:51AM (#47901088)
That list contains issues with the APIs that Chrome exposes via MV3. Firefox still supports APIs that Chrome removed.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Monday April 27, 2026 @05:39AM (#47919536)
Not really, but this FAQ, like almost all articles published on MV3, conflates MV3 the specification with Chrome's MV3 implementation. (FWIW, I'm almost certain that this is either due to sloppy/imprecise writing or intentional, with the authors not wanting to confuse users already appropriately riled up by equally imprecise reporting on MV3. They definitely know the difference.)

In any case, for better or worse, when people say MV3, they now usually mean "Chrome's MV3 implementation", which obviously never applies to Firefox.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ragall on Saturday April 25, 2026 @11:37AM (#47902236)
That's utter bullshit. The author of uBlock Origin has posted a long list of capabilities that declarativeNetRequest does not support.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by tyushk on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:49PM (#47902772)
Unlike Chrome, Firefox did not remove the older API.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ragall on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:01PM (#47902858)
What's this supposed to mean ? OP was saying that MV3 is feature-equivalent to MV2 and would like to see MV2 support removed from Firefox just as it was from Chrome. I replied pointing out that's utterly false.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:45PM (#47903574)
MV2 and MV3 are feature equivalent on Firefox when it comes to request blocking.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Dylan16807 on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:48PM (#47898466)
> Maintaining both MV2 & MV3 support isn’t easily sustainable long term when you factor in the need to prioritize other features.

The feature that better adblockers need is one callback that's similar to one that's still in V3. It's not difficult to keep if it's your own codebase.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by striking on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:05AM (#47898552)
Try Zen! Firefox fork with Arc-like UX.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by pjjpo on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:35AM (#47898676)
Zen is great and still mostly Firefox. I use standard Firefox on Android and everything syncs without hassle. The experience is so much better that personally cannot imagine using Chromium anymore. Of course I do wonder if the entire Firefox ecosystem is sustainable long-term funding wise.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by tosti on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:42AM (#47898985)
Why does everything have to be "actively developed"? Sometimes a program is just done. Better not touch it. I actually do downgrade packages when "actively developing" causes regressions. Not curl or anything sensitive like that, but local programs definately yes.

In case of the extension manifest, that's probably layered on top of the JS engine which does get attention and scrutiny. It's not like an API needs to be updated. If you'd always do that, nothing would ever be interoperable and we'd likely have a hard time trying to communicate.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by userbinator on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:16AM (#47899140)
As long as MITM proxies still work (which is something that Enterprise customers demand --- even the notoriously-closed Chrome needs to), it will always be possible to filter pages outside of any browser. I've been using one for over 2 decades and it works in any browser.

However, I am also concerned that this is an "embrace extend extinguish" move.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:04AM (#47899625)
What would prevent sites from just injecting ads into their content server-side? You'll always need both element and request blocking.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ajb on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:18AM (#47899975)
That's why GP wrote MITM, not just network blocking. MITM implies the middlebox is trusted by the browser in which it has installed a certificate, so can see and modify content.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:07PM (#47905496)
Hm, you mean basically to edit all HTML, CSS etc. just in time? This seems significantly harder (concepts spread over files being loaded in parallel or being partially cached etc) than to do it in the browser once everything is loaded.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by 6ak74rfy on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:45AM (#47899285)
Tell me more, what's your setup.

I use uBlock Origin in Firefox and network ad blocker. Wondering what other options are there.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by spockz on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:52AM (#47899576)
In general, install a proxy which has its own certificate, resign every tls session with those keys, add the certificate of the proxy as a trusted certificate on your device.

I’m not familiar with off the shelf solutions for this that have ad blocking built in. Also ads are injected by JS so you need a mechanism to detect that.

More and more ads are now served from the same domain as the site making it harder to distinguish them from real content.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by kotaKat on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:25AM (#47901412)
ZScaler Internet Access will do it with the right blocking configurations (eg, blocking "Advertising" groups).

But then you're using ZScaler and that just feels all nice and icky.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Bender on Sunday April 26, 2026 @12:22PM (#47911481)
The open source solution is to configure the latest Squid proxy as a Squid SSL Bump proxy. There are a handful of sites it will not work with due to them still using public key pinning but its a tiny list. I do not have it handy at the moment.

Squid supports ACL's that can block URL patterns, domains, IP addresses, file extensions, mime types and much more.

Here [1] is an out of date example. There are probably better and more up to date examples. Some examples are based off Squid V3 as some distros still ship with that but Squid 6 added more flexibility around chaining options SOCKS options and such.

[1] - https://github.com/alatas/squid-alpine-ssl

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by gbil on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:03AM (#47898543)
If this means that they release a iOS version with the same Adblock features as brave then I’m sold. I use essentially all OSs and I want a browser with basic features like adblocking/custom filters on all the platforms and currently Firefox fails this on iOS devices. Still I believe the Firefox sync is much more robust than eg. Brave one , among various platforms. But then I will also need Firefox to fix keyboard shortcuts on Android which they had until the Fenix rebase some years ago and still haven’t fixed since
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by mmooss on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:40AM (#47898980)
What is the use case for keyboard shortcuts on handheld devices?

On desktops/laptops, keyboard shortcuts save reaching for a mouse, aiming (on the relativley large screen), and clicking. On handhelds, I don't think it's faster to use a shortcut than to simply tap something an inch away.

Also, on handhelds, the keyboard blocks a significant part of the screen. And keyboard shortcuts typically use accelerator keys, which are hard to use on handhelds.

Do you use Android with a physical keyboard?

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by JoshTriplett on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:16AM (#47899139)
I have a physical keyboard for my foldable. Works great, except that keyboard shortcuts don't typically work as expected.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by gbear605 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:10AM (#47899114)
Could be referring to a physical keyboard attached to an iPad
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by catlikesshrimp on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:31AM (#47899494)
Yes, I do, now on then. I started using a keyboard on handhelds with my palm m100, so I am not in the mayority.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by gbil on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:18AM (#47900241)
I use an Android tablet with detachable keyboard and works great also with Samsung DEX if you want something more for basic multitasking and there i want the shortcuts, I actually used it a lot, before firefox switched to Fenix base, for navigating tabs, opening closing them really really smooth but then....
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by CapricornNoble on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:52AM (#47901947)
>What is the use case for keyboard shortcuts on handheld devices?

As someone who bought an HTC Dream / Android G1 when it was new, and wishes more handhelds had a similar form factor, this comment depresses me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Dream

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ihutgckmig on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:12PM (#47902530)
Back when Android had an actually pretty and unique UI. Good times.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by bartvk on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:59AM (#47899350)
Same, I'd love for the iOS version to be a little more developed. Especially support for plugins for dark mode and stuff. Safari for iOS does.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Pay08 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:59AM (#47901619)
Doesn't iOS restrict all browsers to using WebKit?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Hizonner on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:05AM (#47901650)
Yep, but your typical Apple user is happy to blame everybody but themselves and Apple.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ihutgckmig on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:10PM (#47902511)
Only because your typical non-Apple user is almost always the one trying to enforce non-Apple standards onto Apple hardware and software.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by gmokki on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:02AM (#47907775)
Not in EU anymore
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by MrAlex94 on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:57PM (#47898507)
I think people are reading into this too much - I don’t think Mozilla would ever implement an actual full spectrum ad blocker (although who knows with the new direction Firefox is headed), this will likely be used as an improvement/replacement for the current tracking protection implementation. Weirdly enough, the same time this was added to Geckko is when I started implementing the adblock-rs library for Waterfox - I stumbled across the bindings by accident when using searchfox on the main branch instead of esr140! Quite the coincidence doing it at the same time.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by gtrevorjay on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:20PM (#47898326)
This feels like a betrayal of their ousting of Eich in the first place. I can't imagine a world I would do this and be able to look at myself in the mirror.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by yborg on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:13AM (#47898577)
>"their"

It's an entirely different management team.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Paul-Craft on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:34AM (#47898673)
I can certainly imagine such a world. I don't use Brave because I don't want to support Brendan Eich.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by kulahan on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:34AM (#47898944)
So instead you use, what, Chrome because you want to support Sundar Pichai??
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by JoshTriplett on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:17AM (#47899150)
You are literally on a thread about Firefox, and you think someone saying they don't use Brave must be using Chrome?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by kulahan on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:09AM (#47899391)
You are literally in a thread where 90% of the discussion is surrounding chromium and you think this isn’t a connected idea?

Edit: also crazy that someone who doesn’t want to support the Brave guy would support the browser using the Brave guy’s stuff, but I guess I see lots of chick-fil-a haters shopping in Amazon these days, so who am I to question what’s in vogue?

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by JoshTriplett on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:06PM (#47904157)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47900153

> Brendan Eich didn't personally write the code, and he doesn't benefit from Firefox using it. If anything this hurts him, since Firefox is catching up to an advantage of Brave without investing their own development resources.

> No matter from what angle I look at this situation, your complaint makes no sense.

Don't assume the positions of people who disagree with you are not thought out. It is a dangerous line of reasoning to go "if only they thought it through for more than five seconds they'd agree with me".

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by kulahan on Sunday April 26, 2026 @12:06PM (#47911372)
Right, it still doesn’t make sense. You’re still using a product created by a company run by the guy you supposedly hate, why would you the decide to use a product that came from them if you wouldn’t use their product in a manner that doesn’t enrich them at all?

Remember, this isn’t based on like, logic or functionality or power or visibility or anything related to the product - it’s based on an emotional view of someone related to the product. It actually doesn’t matter if you could theorize a way that he gave away his core tech just to screw his ow company over. It’s arguably irrelevant to the conversation.

Avoiding just about any company for ethical reasons without avoiding the vast majority is performative or something most people can ignore because it’s insanely personal.

I don’t think you spent more than 5 seconds thinking about this if you thought my only POV was “he’d believe me if he thought about this for a few seconds”. I don’t think it’s obvious, I just think it’s significant.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by SadTrombone on Sunday May 03, 2026 @03:43PM (#48000631)
And if you spent more than 5 seconds thinking about this you'd realize that 99% of Firefox users don't know or care who Brendan Eich is. The only one making any moral argument here is you.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by SadTrombone on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:44AM (#47899275)
If only there was another browser option that was the first word of this thread's title!
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by kulahan on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:10AM (#47899396)
Well the guy running Brave must’ve had absolutely nothing to do with Brave’s Adblock engine going into Firefox, so I can see why you’re acting so smug. After all, why would the guy involved with Brave be involved with Brave’s thing going somewhere other than Brave? Maybe it’s just random evolution! Excellent point, friend. I can tell you thought it out.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jasonvorhe on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:42AM (#47899797)
If he showed up in the Epstein files I'd stop using Brave. Until then, I'll keep on rolling my eyes whenever someone brings up this stuff from... 2008.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by rpdillon on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:33AM (#47901460)
Indeed. I wonder if the folks rejecting Brave have also vetted the political beliefs of everyone that delivers their packages, manufactured their phone, and grown their food.

The injection of politics into absolutely everything is so arbitrary and harmful.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Timon3 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:09AM (#47901672)
Why should they have to vet everyone? If I learn that the people who deliver my packages, manufacture my phones, or grow my food support practices that I deem fundamentally harmful to society, I change my behavior accordingly. Where does this weird idea come from that I have to vet literally everyone for my rejection of Brave to be valid?

> The injection of politics into absolutely everything is so arbitrary and harmful.

Are you referring to Eich, or the people who react to his political choices?

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by MarsIronPI on Saturday April 25, 2026 @11:14AM (#47902114)
What technical difference do the social opinions of the people who write your software make? Genuinely curious.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Timon3 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @11:26AM (#47902177)
What exactly is a "technical difference", and why is only that relevant? I am more than my interactions with software and companies, just like every other human. Why should I focus on an arbitrary subset of factors when making decisions?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by MarsIronPI on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:23PM (#47902597)
Because the technical factors are what you experience when you interact with software written by a company/person?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Timon3 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:37PM (#47903099)
And the non-technical factors are what my friends and loved ones have to experience due to Brendan Eich's choices. So again, why should I ignore them? I'm more than a user of software.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by MarsIronPI on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:57PM (#47903652)
Because when we decide on a goal for our technical work and decide on an acceptable code of conduct inside the project, our differences outside the project don't matter to our collaboration within the project. This is a core foundation of the Free Software and Open Source movements. (And it's worrisome to me that it's being eroded.)

My point is that this same setting aside of irrelevant (to the technical aspects) differences should apply to use of software in addition to development of software.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by JoshTriplett on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:03PM (#47904120)
> Because when we decide on a goal for our technical work and decide on an acceptable code of conduct inside the project, our differences outside the project don't matter to our collaboration within the project.

That's a choice you are free to make. Other people can and will make different choices. Many people never shared that principle, and instead happily exercised freedom of association to not support or spend time around awful people.

Projects are not some magic boundary in which everything outside is left outside. You can't dump piles of money into hurting your colleagues and expect them to see that as a neutral choice.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Timon3 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:22PM (#47903831)
I'm not working on a project together with Brendan Eich, I'm choosing not to use a product from which he directly profits. I sincerely hope that we both agree that this is a completely normal and rational choice.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by MarsIronPI on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:34PM (#47903915)
I think I failed to explain my point: Just like OSS contributors don't have to agree on anything but the goal of the project and how to treat each other while working on it, people shouldn't decide what software to use based on anything but the technical merits of the program.

Also, you don't have to benefit Brendan Eich by using Brave. Turn off the crypto and AFAICT Brave gets no money from you.

Not that I actually recommend Brave: I have no opinions on it. I'm just tired and worried by the attitude of judging software by the non-technical opinions of who wrote it.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by JoshTriplett on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:04PM (#47904140)
You have explained your point. You have not understood why people reject it.

> I'm just tired and worried by the attitude of judging software by the non-technical opinions of who wrote it.

And I'm thrilled that it continues to happen more and more.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Timon3 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:49PM (#47904029)
But why? You haven't given an argument. In our capitalist societies, I have two avenues of influencing public life: my vote and my wallet. Rich people like Brendan Eich have a much more impactful vote due to their capital, so the only real avenue I have left is my wallet.

So please explain: why shouldn't I use my wallet to prevent people like Brendan Eich from shaping society against my friends and loved ones? Why should I add to his capital while he's actively trying to make the lives of the people I care about worse?

> Also, you don't have to benefit Brendan Eich by using Brave. Turn off the crypto and AFAICT Brave gets no money from you.

Or I can use Firefox and strengthen the competition.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by MarsIronPI on Saturday April 25, 2026 @11:46PM (#47907145)
> But why? You haven't given an argument.

Fair enough. My argument is this: as a society we need to live alongside people we disagree with, perhaps even disagree with fundamentally. My ideal is to not judge people's work in one field by their work (or opinions) in another. I think that this way we can get more done in the fields in which we are in agreement. How well do you think the United States would have gone without the Three-fifths Compromise? IMO not well. Do I agree with the slaveholders? No. Do I think the compromise was better than refusing to work with them at all? Yes.

> Why should I add to his capital while he's actively trying to make the lives of the people I care about worse?

Uh, I don't see this as a matter of capital once you turn off BAT crypto stuff. Please enlighten me.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Timon3 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:42AM (#47908878)
Thanks, with that argument I can better understand where you're coming from. But I would counter: compromise on a social level doesn't require all individuals to compromise too. Boycotts etc. have always been a tool for individuals to make their voices heard, and to influence the exact compromise that is reached.

Since we're apparently still trying to find a compromise on this topic, it seems imperative to me that I continue my boycott of Brendan Eich's companies, so the eventual compromise will have better terms for my friends and loved ones. Unless I see definitive proof that this approach is worse for the people close to me, I won't give up the only social tool I have to protect them.

> Uh, I don't see this as a matter of capital once you turn off BAT crypto stuff. Please enlighten me.

First, Brave has lots more monetization avenues than just the crypto stuff. But even if I turned all of that off, I would increase the usage stats of Brave while decreasing the stats of Firefox. Just because Brendan Eich doesn't profit quite as much off of me doesn't mean he gains no profit.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by MarsIronPI on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:49PM (#47914997)
I'm glad I could make my position clear and I'm sorry it didn't come out coherently the first time. I'm also glad you're willing to look for compromise.

Out of curiosity, where do you draw the line when it comes to boycotting people or companies?

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by rpdillon on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:10PM (#47902914)
You're probably going to want to take a look at how your smartphone battery is made. You're taking a principled stand on the basis of not using a browser from a company cofounded by a guy that voted differently than you, but it sounds like you're willfully ignoring the child slave labor used to create the device you're using to type that opinion.

Do as you please, but it makes no sense to me, and doesn't strike me a principled at all: it's basically virtue signaling. But then again, I don't view people that hold different political views as my enemy. They're just people I disagree with, and they can still make a great browser, even though we disagree on some things.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Timon3 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:23PM (#47903836)
Sorry, but if you think that the issue is that Brendan Eich "voted differently than" me, you're either not understanding or willfully misrepresenting what this discussion is about.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by rpdillon on Sunday April 26, 2026 @09:03AM (#47909993)
I'm not sure what you're so upset about. He gave a thousand dollars to a political campaign that was in favor of outlawing gay marriage in California. This is standard political stuff that people can agree or disagree on.

What's being misrepresented?

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Timon3 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:18PM (#47911976)
First, I'm pretty sure you know what I'm upset about considering your first comment ignored the donation, even though that's the primary critique levied against him.

Second, it's your subjective view that this "is standard political stuff that people can agree or disagree on", and I very much disagree! Tax policy or similar areas, sure, we can agree or disagree. But keeping basic rights (or even taking them away) from a subset of the population is not "standard political stuff" to me.

Would you say the same if, instead of gay marriage, the issue was interracial marriage? I sincerely hope not, even though certain voices on the right are trying to turn this into "standard political stuff" too these days.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by rpdillon on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:19PM (#47912531)
I do view interracial marriage the same way. The answer is very clear to me, but I know it's a constant topic of discussion across the world in different societies, religions, and cultures. Right now there's a debate in my country about whether we should post religious texts on the walls of public schools. We've also regressed in our discussion of women's rights and autonomy with their body. The list is basically endless, and amazingly, people really do have different opinions about this stuff. I mean that seriously. It's easy to imagine that there's one right answer and that you have it. But if I look around at the opinions of 300 million people, there's still 37% in the U.S. that think Trump is doing a good job.

I guess I'm just not willing to write off 40% of society because they disagree on a particular issue that may seem clear as day to me. The most important thing I would like to foster is civility in our discourse with our neighbors, and that has been sacrificed on the altar of dogma to a degree that I cannot condone.

But I'm not absolute in my tolerance. Marriage rights don't trigger me much at all, but genuine human rights abuses like we're seeing in the wars going on, and the rise of fascism in the US are both areas where I would boycott a company (like OnlyOffice, for example).

Tax policy is actually a big part of the driver of fascism, since it entrenches oligarchs and allows consolidation of e.g. the media, and therefore the narrative. But I guess I'd call that standard political stuff, too.

So I guess I'm not exactly sure where I draw the line, but donating a thousand dollars to speak out against gay marriage didn't cross it for me. Yes, I disagree with him. And yes, I still like Brave.

I do appreciate the discussion!

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by dlcarrier on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:08AM (#47898804)
The whole organization is a huge mess that doesn't really want to accept any management.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by prox on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:26AM (#47898908)
They try to make it feel like an “us” browser, but it just comes off as a corp trying to talk cool.

You have to walk the walk too Mozilla! Saying that as a FF for years.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by silisili on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:00AM (#47899352)
Same. The entire company more or less turned on him. Not picking a side, that's your right. But to then start 'borrowing' from someone you refused to work with feels... hypocritical.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Timon3 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:00AM (#47900153)
Brendan Eich didn't personally write the code, and he doesn't benefit from Firefox using it. If anything this hurts him, since Firefox is catching up to an advantage of Brave without investing their own development resources.

No matter from what angle I look at this situation, your complaint makes no sense.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by nextaccountic on Friday April 24, 2026 @10:52PM (#47898191)
Does this benefit people that use uBlock Origin?

Maybe uBlock Origin for Firefox could be updated to make use of this

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by toofy on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:09PM (#47898273)
sounds like it just uses ublocks lists.

though it doesn’t seem to work as well as ublock, the ad slots are still there with just the ad missing so there’s a giant ugly blank spot.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by fabrice_d on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:25PM (#47898343)
Probably because they don't leverage cosmetic filtering yet: https://docs.rs/adblock/latest/adblock/struct.Engine.html#me...
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by SadTrombone on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:42AM (#47899268)
I'd imagine that's the reason it's not enabled by default, they're not finished fully implementing it in Firefox yet.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by fishgoesblub on Friday April 24, 2026 @11:32PM (#47898383)
It's surprising, and disappointing that this hasn't happened sooner. A real shame that it took a browser company other than Mozilla to make (In Rust no less!) adblock-rust. I wonder if this could've been a native Firefox feature and selling point years ago if Eich wasn't kicked out.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jasonvorhe on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:35AM (#47899758)
I'm so glad Brave arose from all this overblown mess. What a solid product, one you disable the web3 crap. Using Firefox and derivatives feels like using a Java application on the desktop years ago. Every interaction seems foreign. Meh.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Markoff on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:29AM (#47899203)
For anyone looking for Android alternative:

Cromite - Chromium, MV2 extensions, good new tab page with 4x4 shortcuts (2x4 pinnable) with direct access to bookmarks

https://github.com/uazo/cromite/releases

Ultimatum - Chromium, MV2 extensions, not so good new tab page similar to original Chrome with only like 4 shortcuts without swiping, limitec customization, no password manager AFAIR

https://github.com/gonzazoid/Ultimatum/releases

Helium - Chromium, only MV3 extensions, built in browser from Graphene

https://github.com/jqssun/android-helium-browser/releases

Elixir - Chromium, only MV3, tabbed interface suitable for tablets

https://github.com/SF-FLAM/ElixirBrowser/releases

Former Kiwi Browser, then for about year IceRaven (Firefox) user up until recently when they fckd up already bad illogical UI and made it even worse, which was the last drop to again give up on this users hating browser (will never forget users begged for 10 years so dear devs will implement simple pull down to refresh).

On desktop the recommendation is much easier:

Vivaldi - Chromium, MV2, no AI, amazing customization compared to primitive Brave, faster than FF

https://vivaldi.com

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by FireInsight on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:37AM (#47899247)
Android Firefox versions that are geat as well - [Ironfox](https://github.com/ironfox-oss/IronFox): Hardened - [Fennec](https://f-droid.org/packages/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid/): Fully FOSS
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by MarsIronPI on Saturday April 25, 2026 @11:13AM (#47902104)
Oh, I've always used Fennec; does the main Firefox Android build not support extensions?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by JoshTriplett on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:23PM (#47902600)
Firefox for Android supports extensions just fine. I use Firefox with uBlock Origin as my only browser on both mobile and desktop, and use Firefox Sync to send tabs between them. I literally disable the preinstalled Chrome on Android.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by xnx on Wednesday April 29, 2026 @09:46AM (#47948418)
Great list. Things have been painful on Android since Kiwi Browser died. Which of those are you using?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by Markoff on Sunday May 03, 2026 @12:49AM (#47993440)
I recently switched from iceraven to Cromite. If you have no problem with the new FF UI and don't mind a bit lower speed then iceraven is ok, if you can't stand the UI then Cromite.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by poisonborz on Saturday April 25, 2026 @02:44AM (#47899278)
Why do people still have hope in / clinge on Firefox when projects like Librewolf and Waterfox exists? Yes those are still dependent on Mozilla's upstream changes, but users not trusting them have still options.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:07AM (#47899640)
Maybe they're being realistic about how long these projects could survive without Mozilla doing all the work upstream?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jeroenhd on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:28AM (#47900019)
Same reason people want Chromium to stay around: their forks will collapse within months if the free work from upstream stops happening.

Brave, Vivaldi, Opera, Tor Browser, Librewolf, they're all little more than reconfigurations and reskins of Chromium when you look at the entire code base. Yes, the Brave as block engine and Operas power saving modes are non-trivial, but the engine they're built on is the size of an operating system.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lightdot on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:56AM (#47901143)
Librewolf: "This project is a custom and independent version of Firefox, with the primary goals of privacy, security and user freedom."

"Tor Browser is based on Mozilla Firefox ESR (Extended Support Release) but has been heavily modified for use with the Tor network."

Those are direct quotes from their respective web pages. Neither of them has anything to do with Chromium.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jeroenhd on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:03AM (#47901223)
You're right, I edited my sentence to include more examples and forgot to add "or Firefox" for Tor and Librewolf. Sorry about that.

I would edit my comment above to clarify, but the limited edit time window for HN seems to have passed.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by evilpie on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:28AM (#47899472)
> The Firefox team is experimenting with ways to improve the built-in Enhanced Tracking Protection feature in Firefox. This is one of the libraries we're going to experiment with.

> - We are not, and have no plans to abandon MV2 extensions. This will ensure certain types of add-ons, like ad-blockers, continue to work best in Firefox.

> - Firefox supports several ad-blockers as add-ons on Desktop and Android, including uBlock Origin.

> - We are not bundling Brave's ad-blocking system, we're testing one of their open source Rust components to improve how Firefox processes tracker lists.

https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1sttf82/firefox_wi...

This is what the official Firefox account had to say when this came up on reddit.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:09AM (#47899650)
> This will ensure certain types of add-ons, like ad-blockers, continue to work best in Firefox.

Oof, so even people that should really know better are now equating MV3 with "no more ad blocking"? I think at this point the entire thing just needs to be renamed.

(Only Chrome removed the request blocking API from their MV3 implementation; Firefox did not.)

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by stavros on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:56AM (#47899860)
Did Vivaldi? Or Brave? Will uBlock work properly with Mv3 and request blocking?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:04AM (#47899896)
Of course everything based on Chromium will inherit most of Chrome's decisions, including this one. (Unless they fork their entire web extension implementation and maintain the fork forever.)
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by stavros on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:17AM (#47899974)
Yeah but then "only Chrome" is misleading, when it's actually "every major browser except Firefox".
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ahartmetz on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:19AM (#47900243)
Safari isn't exactly non-major. By the way, it seems like WebKit Embedded (~resource-efficient Linux port) has regained some steam due to Igalia's work over the last two years or so.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by zarzavat on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:29AM (#47900588)
Brave still supports UBo though. How long they can maintain that support is an open question.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by stavros on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:34AM (#47900619)
Non-Chrome Chromium browsers should band together and support request blocking for Mv3 at this point. It would be one compelling feature that differentiates them from Chrome.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by topranks on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:03AM (#47900450)
Every major browser except Firefox is Chrome
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jim33442 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @01:59PM (#47903255)
or Safari
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @06:25AM (#47900271)
A single engine/implementation deprecated the feature. I don’t think this is particularly misleading in a hacker news context.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by jeroenhd on Saturday April 25, 2026 @05:14AM (#47899963)
The people who know better should also know that tech social media was flooded with people not knowing what they were talking about mentioning manifest versions.

It wouldn't be the first time tech gossip rags would take something Mozilla did out of proportion to make outrage videos about that become a hit on Reddit.

When Mozilla added some weird AI thing (I think it was page summaries?) I was asked by people whose algorithm picked up this nonsense whether it'd be better for their privacy to switch back to Chrome or Edge.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by swed420 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:53AM (#47900724)
> It wouldn't be the first time tech gossip rags would take something Mozilla did out of proportion to make outrage videos about that become a hit on Reddit.

Sounds like the issue here is paid social media platforms, where everybody is looking for ways to differentiate their slop from the rest. It would be weird to expect a different outcome.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by msla on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:37AM (#47900967)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#Manifest_V3_2

> However, DeclarativeWebRequest is limited in the number of rules that may be set, and the types of expressions that may be used.[336] Additionally, the prohibition of remotely-hosted code will restrict the ability for filter lists to be updated independently of the extension itself. As the Chrome Web Store review process has an invariable length, filter lists may not be updated in a timely fashion.[337][338]

Is that not true?

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:01AM (#47901635)
It is, but it’s not relevant. Firefox offers both APIs.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by DangitBobby on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:40AM (#47901003)
We shouldn't equate it with "no more ad blocking" because it didn't ship with an attempt to make ad blockers less effective or because that's not all it shipped with?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ragall on Saturday April 25, 2026 @11:21AM (#47902150)
"This will ensure certain types of add-ons, like ad-blockers, continue to work best in Firefox" clearly means that MV3 makes ad blocking worse, not entirely disabled. How can you get "no more ad blocking" out of that ?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Monday April 27, 2026 @05:34AM (#47919507)
Again, no. MV3 (the specification) does not do anything to ad blocking. Chrome's implementation of MV3 does.

For precision, I should have said "significantly worse ad blocking", not exaggerated as "no more ad blocking".

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ragall on Monday April 27, 2026 @04:16PM (#47926758)
This is all sophistry. The spec is irrelevant, what matters is only the implementation and the fact that Chrome has a crushing dominance.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by lxgr on Monday April 27, 2026 @06:15PM (#47928122)
How does Chrome’s implementation matter in an article about Firefox?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by ragall on Tuesday April 28, 2026 @06:59PM (#47942005)
In a market so crushingly dominated by one monopolist, everything is about what the monopolist does.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by heresie-dabord on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:46AM (#47900686)
From TFA:

> The browser now ships adblock-rust, Brave's open source Rust-based ad and tracker blocking engine.

It makes sense that Mozilla would test this. The amount of Rust code in Firefox is already at 12%.

https://4e6.github.io/firefox-lang-stats/

Memory-safe code can make a huge difference in trust and software risk. Google has said that a 70% of Chrome vulnerabilities are related to memory (un)safety. This is in the browser with dominant marketshare.

https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/memory-safet...

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by gib444 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:58AM (#47901613)
Am I so jaded that I read "we have no plans to" as "we likely will" ?
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by nirui on Saturday April 25, 2026 @04:00AM (#47899612)
Great. Coming just in time when people think the "main stream" browsers are too boring.

I'm actually glad to see Mozilla has grown a little bit "predatorial" if it can bring good to the users. The implementation is polite too, as it lets you know there was an ad been muted.

There's a lot of things that can still be done in the browser space. For example, one-click login even without entering email, easy purchase without the website ever collecting your card number (or other financial detail beyond necessary), etc etc. Ads can also be improved too, by making them not violating nor annoying.

The possibilities are still great, I hope Mozilla can figure out a way to tap into it.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by elros on Saturday April 25, 2026 @07:20AM (#47900539)
I stopped paying attention when the major browsers started to act somewhat against the interests of ad-blocking add-ons, some years ago.

Would anyone who has kept up let me know what would be the 2026 "industry standard" in terms of an ad-blocking and privacy stack?

I primarily use Chrome on Mac and Safari on iPhone but I'm willing to change browsers for better ad-blocking and privacy.

I would also be interested in solutions that scale beyond a single machine, for when I'm at home (e.g. should I get a little box and use it as an ad blocker between my internet my router and my network or something?)

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by maleldil on Saturday April 25, 2026 @09:29AM (#47901440)
Firefox with uBlock Origin. Nothing else comes close.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by coffeeling on Friday May 08, 2026 @08:07PM (#48070314)
Brave's an easy slot-in - fiddle with settings or buy Brave Origin, and you get what's basically Chrome, except it has a built-in ad blocker that can do stuff extension-based ad blockers (even MV2 ones) can't do on Chromium, the profile sync backend is end to end encrypted, and you get ~uBO grade adblock on mobile.

A chief benefit is that Chromium is much more secure than Firefox, especially on mobile.

Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by 8cvor6j844qw_d6 on Saturday April 25, 2026 @12:03PM (#47902459)
Open source doing what it's meant to. Brave built a solid engine, Firefox gets to use it. Hoping Firefox maintainers contribute back upstream too, rather than making it a one-way street.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by mzmzmzm on Saturday April 25, 2026 @03:20PM (#47903816)
I recently switched from Android to iOS... no comment except all of the browsers just being a wrapper for Safari is really limiting. I love Firefox and still use it on desktop but I couldn't handle it without extensions on mobile and switched to Brave. Somehow Brave on iOS can do content blocking really well. Will this change make it to the iOS version? I would love to switch back to Firefox where all my stuff is synced.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by coffeeling on Friday May 08, 2026 @08:05PM (#48070294)
Brave has an end to end encrypted sync service as well.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by emirdw on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:41PM (#47906184)
This reminds me of how powerful client-side processing has become recently.
Re:Firefox Has Integrated Brave's Adblock Engine by gnabgib on Saturday April 25, 2026 @08:43PM (#47906198)
How has client-side processing (powerful or not) caused Firefox to reuse Brave's Adblock engine?