I play ARPG games specifically, so I follow a lot of creators for those specific games, and when new releases hit - I will most definitely be trying to keep up with the latest strategies and insights. And I will get that information either way, but does that mean I also have to miss interesting moments because I am not willing to support Twitch directly?
All I'm saying is that ads have gotten a lot worse lately and it is extremely noticeable.
Twitch Turbo is supposed to benefit the creator the same way an ad would support them. Meaning it would count the ad as shown, but not show it to the viewer. Though, payment for ads are scammingly low for the creators. A sub will in most cases give more support.
> All I'm saying is that ads have gotten a lot worse lately and it is extremely noticeable.
Rumors goes, Amazon demands more money.
Heck, Turbo users probably watch more videos and so are better customers even at the same rate.
Obviously I must be out of the loop if this currently works… but I don’t get it.
Turbo is nice, but should be just a little cheaper. YT Premium Lite is 7 euros.
The ads are insufferable. Hate how they really want to shove it down your throat even when you back out of a stream and pick another.
Worse it’s badly implemented. Countless times I’m watching the same ads multiple times within 10-15 mins.
Only saving grace on AppleTV if you back out you can wait it out while the stream is still highlighted, with the sound off, then enter the stream again.
Sometimes now, I go into the channel page and pick the last VOD since i usually missed the start of the stream anyway. If they shove ads into vods I guess this will be when I reevaluate what I do with my time. Because Premium Lite is affordable, and Youtube also has livestreams…
Anyway, the issue is that it is a live streaming platform.
In comparison to last 5 years, in the last year I can recall at least 5 times where I missed significant moments because the platform automatically ran ads.
Funnily that's exactly what everyone is doing[1].
[1] https://www.fiercevideo.com/video/linear-video-subscriber-lo...
You get cultural references more memorable than the shows they prop up. Where's the beef still rings strong, wwwhat's up is a universal greeting.
Advertising can bring feelings of connectiveness to people. A familiar verizon song at Christmas makes life a little bit less sad for a solider in the battle field or a parent who is spending Christmas alone.
Advertising in many ways is more dynamic, interesting and long lasting compared to the shows they put on. Watching shows without them hollows out the experience.
The workaround is to 'pre-browse' by opening multiple streamers in new tabs, muting their tabs and then checking them out a minute or two later, but that's quite a PITA.
Twitch could disappear today and I don't think I'd care, I couldn't say the same thing five or ten years ago.
On YT I can tune hour late, then just jump back to match that happened, watch it, skip the intermissions and catch up, on twitch that's much more complicated.
> - Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally, girls doing ass up squats in front of the camera for a $3 donation. You cannot avoid this because its part of the platforms "culture" and even your favorite streamers will one day end up watching a clip or something on their stream. This also breeds incels and very toxic chatters.
I dunno, I never got suggested one of those during at least last few years. If I scroll for like 3 screens I get some vtubers but that's about it. I think ability to filter out by stream tags would entirely solve the problem
> - Ads. Twitch is fighting against ad-blockers. Fine by me, I can bare ads, but what I cannot do is bear 5 ads in a row every 30 minutes. This has gotten a lot worse lately. It is annoying and disruptive to the user experience, and thankfully there are streamers who disable them altogether as they can sustain themselves through subscriptions and donations from chatters.
On top of that they often play in absolutely wrong moments. Like getting ad immediately after clicking a new stream, before you even know whether you want to watch them or not.
Twitch is more like a bunch of monkeys which is fun and builds hype. Youtube is too serious and the chat is too slow for the streamer to properly interact with.
I can't quite pinpoint why YouTube doesn't have the same feeling though.
Twitch chat is for emoting, especially in ways that please the streamer. Trying to actually chat with someone on an active Twitch channel is futile.
But YouTube has also completely destroyed their entire concept of having a "YouTube community" over the years. There might be something of various creator communities in various niches, but the heavy censorship, mess of a comments section that does everything in its power to halt any form of conversation, leaving only spam and idiots in most comment sections, etc. left it with nothing of a community, or any real creator/consumer dynamic.
YouTube no longer has private nor direct messages, so if people want to communicate they have to do it on another platform. It's also just a bit of a mess with the transition from the original idea of "everyone has an anonymous handle" to "every must have their Google+ profile linked and use their real name" to "Google+ is dead and now some people have silly handles and some people are real people." The whole thing adds up to make for a place with no coherent community.
"Mommy give me twenty bucks for twitch bits so I can pay XQC" and then becoming a hot tub stream simp is so much easier than "Mommy give me your credit card so I can create an account on this cam girl site"
And before anybody replies “and whats wrong with that” blah blah, parents still think of twitch as a place where kids can watch minecraft.
Twitch is playing with fire here.
I don't have a stance on the Twitch/softporn thing, but "think of the kids" is used too often for evil these days.
Sure you can see gaming there, but it's not what dominates and is pushed by the platform.
But how many people want to log in to watch someone with a face for radio and a voice for silent movies narrate some random game?
By comparison, the chaturbate crowd is far fewer in number but has an outsized impact.
* but says her abusive boyfriend made her do it for money
Not all "think of the kids arguments" are "think of the kids" arguments. A platform ostensibly for game streaming serving softcore is certainly surprising, so for parents too. It's strange to me that tech companies have convinced so many that _obviously_ one should suspect people gaming the system everywhere and the onus is on the user. Curation and basic levels of QA are just no longer expected by huge cohorts I guess? Well, I still do. I guess tech should be avoided then.
Hopefully my country stays undeveloped forever.
We have onlyfans for the other stuff, do they need to mix it?
Understanding a Context of Risk: Pornography and Child Sexual Abuse https://osf.io/kf4uv/download/?format=pdf One of the most troubling patterns emerging in the research relates to the increasing number of younger children (under the ages of 12-14) involved in perpetrating child sexual assault. Clinical and legal studies are reporting greater numbers of preteen children demonstrating interpersonal problematic sexual behaviors that intrude on the physical space and security of other children (Friedrich et al., 2006; Swisher et al., 2008).
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Most relevant to the purpose of this paper is the role of exposure to sexually explicit media as one of the explanatory variables in child sexual abuse. A meta-analysis of 22 studies demonstrates that exposure to pornography, particularly violent pornography, is significantly associated with increased rates of sexual aggression in the general population (Wright et al., 2016). Given that the average age of first exposure to pornography is age 11 (Wolak et al., 2006), it is important to begin to consider what role, if any, pornography may play in child sexual abuse, particular if perpetrated by children. Several studies have included sexually explicit media as a contributing factor for child-perpetrated sexual abuse.
The Association Between Exposure to Violent Pornography and Teen Dating Violence in Grade 10 High School Students https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6751001/ Exposure to pornography in general has been linked with adolescent dating violence and sexual aggression, but less is known about exposure to violent pornography specifically. The current study examined the association of violent pornography exposure with different forms of teen dating violence (TDV) using baseline survey data from a sample of Grade 10 high school students who reported being in a dating relationship in the past year (n = 1694)
A Meta-Analysis of Pornography Consumption and Actual Acts of Sexual Aggression in General Population Studies https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jcom.12201 Is pornography consumption correlated with committing actual acts of sexual aggression? 22 studies from 7 different countries were analyzed. Consumption was associated with sexual aggression in the United States and internationally, among males and females, and in cross-sectional and longitudinal studies. Associations were stronger for verbal than physical sexual aggression, although both were significant. The general pattern of results suggested that violent content may be an exacerbating factor.
Isn't that the entire value proposition of twitch?
not even a joke. a lot of OF performers use their twitch as a marketting arm.
- Softcore porn (I would not call it porn at all, search online for softcore porn and you get something completely different). You don't have to watch it and I never see it in my feeds, you have to actively search for it to find it. So I'm wondering how you notice it for it to be a problem? Yes; I'm calling you out.
- Ads: youtube has a LOT more ads, and a lot of twitch streamers don't do the ad program. So here too I'm not as convinced it's a problem, I definitely don't see many ads and usually if there are any the streamer is aware and takes a break or something so you don't miss much.
But this doesn’t prevent the other problem where streamers will watch those others on their stream.
I’m not that bothered about it but I think it might be a problem that it’s a part of twitch culture.
- Read what I wrote again. I don't have an issue with ads on Twitch, I have an issue with them enforcing more ads as of late, 4-5 ads in a row every 30 minutes on a live streaming platform is dumb and there has to be a better solution.
Peak hacker news.
This is basically how Television used to operate. I think it was more like, 4 ads every 15 minutes. So way more actually.
It's definitely about time for a new long form media company.. maybe one that doesn't sell itself to Microsoft
Literally any other form of advertising would fit Twitch better than pre-roll ads. Even a shorter pre-roll ad would be better (and probably lead to better retention). Gating people for a whole half-minute from a live event like that implies, at least to me, a company that doesn't understand their own platform.
And PurpleTV is a modified Android Twitch app that is just like Youtube (Re)Vanced. Obviously use with caution, with an account you don't have any personal info linked to, because unlike YouTube you are forced to log in to the Twitch App. Pretty sure the Gitlab "twitchmod/orange-tv" repo is the official source.
I exclusively watch speedrun streams, and from what I've seen it works great for those. No more preroll ads, and if the runner is paying attention to their ad schedule, they run a big block of ads for when they breaks to stretch/eat/use the restroom/etc, or during downtime like reset-heavy and cutscene-heavy earlygame sequences, so you don't miss anything.
It's a significantly better experience than the normal preroll ads and random/timed midroll ads, and from what I've heard it sounds like Twitch pays more to the streamers who use this system as well.
[1]: https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/ads-incentive-program-getti...
It can't skip ads completely, but it will prevent showing them.
Definitely not the case with Youtube.
I've never seen software porn on Twitch, I have probably watched more Twitch than most people. Their internal model of me must have given up.
However, my issue (and also disappointment) with Twitch right now is:
- Softcore porn allowed on the platform. Literally, girls doing ass up squats in front of the camera for a $3 donation. You cannot avoid this because its part of the platforms "culture" and even your favorite streamers will one day end up watching a clip or something on their stream. This also breeds incels and very toxic chatters.
- Ads. Twitch is fighting against ad-blockers. Fine by me, I can bare ads, but what I cannot do is bear 5 ads in a row every 30 minutes. This has gotten a lot worse lately. It is annoying and disruptive to the user experience, and thankfully there are streamers who disable them altogether as they can sustain themselves through subscriptions and donations from chatters.
Is there hope Twitch will fix this? I doubt it. I see them as weak and irresponsible bunch that are only interested in money and don't care about mixing things up in the community.