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Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by qzw on Friday February 05, 2021 @12:50PM (#26039076)
The procedure seems to have all kinds of benefits, but I think the name could've really used some of the good ol' marketingspeak. I bet a lot more people would be open to getting something like a "digestive microbiome transfer" than the more accurate but gross "fecal transplant".
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by justinator on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:04PM (#26039269)
"You stuff someone else's shit! Up your ass!"

I guess the counterpoint is that maybe we don't have to sanitize every damn thing in the world, since a sanitized world isn't a healthy world - and perhaps contributes to an individual's wonky biome.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by m463 on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:25PM (#26040173)
I think you would only transplant healthy biomes, which have plenty of immune system action involved so that there are plenty of beneficial bacteria, and little or no say e coli.

It might actually be the transplanting of immune cells that helps strengthen the recipients' immune action

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by AlbinoDrought on Friday February 05, 2021 @08:45PM (#26043383)
Related FDA advisory about a time where drug-resistant E.coli was transmitted via fecal transplant: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availabi...
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by whoisburbansky on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:06PM (#26039297)
The tone of the first half of your comment had me thinking the rest of it was about not sanitizing vocabulary, rather than talking about the hygiene hypothesis, haha.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by jarmitage on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:53PM (#26040455)
I can’t wait until there exists a poop culture + social platforms around otherwise ordinary people with celebrity fecal matter.

Merch plop!

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by equalsione on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:00PM (#26040514)
Surely you meant to say "poop culture"?
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by breakfastduck on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:30PM (#26040815)
I don't think he did. We're already at poop culture level as far as I can tell.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by jarmitage on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:33PM (#26040837)
Fixed x2
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by mirekrusin on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:37PM (#26040866)
And wine tasting/perfume shop like experience? This must be one of those million dollar ideas.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by jarmitage on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:46PM (#26040968)
And poopfluencers who have secret diets that give you psychedelic brain-gut experiences
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by abledon on Friday February 05, 2021 @07:09PM (#26042817)
will we have a new class of 'poop producers' who shepherd in the new generations in 2150 ?

E.g. everyone in a 250 mile radius get fresh poop injections from the mother queen

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by joering2 on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:59PM (#26039898)
Almost perfect IMHO.. but word "transfer" sound to me like a transplant. May I suggest "digestive microbiome rejuvenation" ?
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by filoleg on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:16PM (#26041912)
agreed that "transfer" sounds and feels similar to "transplant". But imo the "transplant" part in "fecal matter transplant" was not the part that was problematic for public perception lol.

I think both "digestive microbiome transfer" and "digestive microbiome transplant" sound perfectly fine, as both get rid of the "gross" part of the name. But I think that "transfer" is slightly better, because "transplant" invokes associations with something being surgically put into my body and attached to stay there permanently. While "transfer" doesn't have the same sense of permanence and seriousness attached to it.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by djbelieny on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:59PM (#26041107)
You win today's INTERWEBS MARKETING ACHIEVEMENT BADGE.You may have a cookie;
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by buggythebug on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:27PM (#26039558)
People with cancer don't care what a medicine/treatment is called.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by robocat on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:24PM (#26041974)
Are you a doctor?

I hear stories of people using alternative “medicine” and eschewing (normal|western)? medicine, so I think you are incorrect. Anecdotally I personally know of one person who used indigenous herbs to treat their cancer (I don’t know the outcome of that).

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by rubyfan on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:39PM (#26040330)
I’d guess most of people that need this treatment are very happy to overlook the name or even reality of what it is. If it leads to better health than they’re able to sustain right now, then yeah by all means.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by m463 on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:16PM (#26040087)
"late digestive microbiome transfer"

"early digestive microbiome transfer" would be .. bar.. puk.. emetic reflux transplantation.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by pvaldes on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:17PM (#26040092)
I assume that we could just isolate and culture the bacteria colonies in clean agar agar, solving the problem.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by eplanit on Friday February 05, 2021 @11:19PM (#26044101)
I suggest "Shithromax".
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by coolgeek on Friday February 05, 2021 @09:39PM (#26043630)
"Eat shit and NOT die!" seems like a winning campaign to me
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by 0-_-0 on Saturday February 06, 2021 @05:48AM (#26045688)
On a Duke Nukem poster
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by killingtime74 on Friday February 05, 2021 @10:49PM (#26043960)
They should learn from Chinese propaganda. They called the Myanmar coup a “cabinet reshuffle”
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by ghgdynb1 on Friday February 05, 2021 @12:54PM (#26039132)
You may have a gift
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by LargoLasskhyfv on Friday February 05, 2021 @08:39PM (#26043347)
Pfft. Eat shit! It's the hit!
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by leptoniscool on Friday February 05, 2021 @12:56PM (#26039165)
You're right a lot of things has benefited from rebranding. For example instead of 'cow feet juice', it's now Jello.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by zests on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:12PM (#26041263)
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by PhantomGremlin on Friday February 05, 2021 @09:28PM (#26043587)
Once upon a time there was a startup that made laser equipment. They called themselves Coherent Radiation.

Hmmm ... for some reason they decided to rebrand themselves as Coherent, Inc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coherent,_Inc.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by _tom_ on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:49PM (#26040419)
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by ashtonkem on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:17PM (#26042433)
Patagonia Toothfish -> Chilean Seabass
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by Turing_Machine on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:55PM (#26041726)
Dog salmon or chum salmon -> "keta" salmon, or "silverbrite" salmon.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by LinuxBender on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:00PM (#26041767)
Crushed parasitic beetles -> Starbucks strawberry drink [1]

[1] - https://inhabitat.com/starbucks-admits-its-strawberry-drinks...

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by Jedd on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:05PM (#26042357)
I suppose by some definitions, this beetle is a parasite, but it feeds from a specific species of cactus, which makes it a herbivore, so in the context of a story ostensibly alerting starbucks customers (and if you're a starbucks customer you've probably got deeper ethical issues to introspect on) it's an odd adjective.

Aside - tracts of Australia, and doubtless elsewhere, have a major problem with the cactus that was introduced specifically to feed these beetles -- Opuntia aurantiaca, aka tiger pear.

A cousin of the better known (and edible-fruiting) prickly pear, this one has smaller pads, grows only about 30-50cm high, but has much fiercer spikes, propagates way more easily, and the biological controls (cochineal beetle) are woefully less effective than, say, the Cactoblastis moth that's used to control prickly pear.

Back to cochineal - for a very long time it was one of the very few ways to produce a reliable, consistent, persistent red dye. The incidence of anaphylactic shock and similarly strong reactions to cochineal, while non-zero, is tremendously low.

Artificial dyes also have some non-trivial health concerns [0], and some manufacturers are moving back to cochineal for this reason.

[0] https://www.google.com/search?q=artificial+red+coccine+dye+h...

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by jacobolus on Saturday February 06, 2021 @01:48AM (#26044680)
Calling cochineal a "parasitic beetle" is pretty silly, since it is not a beetle, and its host is a nopal cactus.

A vanishingly tiny number of people care whether their food coloring contains crushed up bugs. I can guarantee you eat similar insects (aphids, etc.) on a regular basis in "vegetarian" or "vegan" food.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by LinuxBender on Saturday February 06, 2021 @05:24PM (#26050588)
I agree with this. It is super easy to prove and many of them are still alive too. Just put a random set of vegetables in a container and wait. You will see flies, aphids and all manor of other bugs born in it. I sometimes even find fruit-flies when I do this. Same with meats. Meats contain larvae and well, I won't gross people out here. That is why I cook what I can and wash everything with apple cider vinegar, since I have so much of it anyway. Also important to keep stomach acid strong for this reason. I envy Vulchers for their super strong stomach acid.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by TylerE on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:52PM (#26039823)
Rapeseed -> Canola
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by mv4 on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:57PM (#26039874)
Patagonian toothfish -> Chilean sea bass
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by arcticbull on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:01PM (#26039918)
Slimehead -> Orange Roughy
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by m463 on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:18PM (#26040100)
pervasive surveillance and tracking -> Advertising
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by frongpik on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:31PM (#26040245)
Oppression -> safety measures.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by refurb on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:17PM (#26042439)
Undesirable political views -> disinformation
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by KirillPanov on Friday February 05, 2021 @11:23PM (#26044112)
disagreement -> downvote
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by gridder on Saturday February 06, 2021 @07:37AM (#26046123)
Adam Back -> Satoshi Nakamoto
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by KirillPanov on Saturday February 06, 2021 @02:27PM (#26049114)
Oh please. Read some of the stuff Satoshi wrote, it's obviously not the same person.

Satoshi actively encouraged other blockchains, even encouraging namecoin to run their own chain separate from bitcoin back when the proposal was called "bitdns":

https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/bitcointalk/535/

Back has been nothing but a frothing-at-the-mouth altcoin hater.

Comments like @gridder's do an injustice to Hal Finney.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by gridder on Monday February 08, 2021 @02:54PM (#26069279)
I agree with you on Back and Finney and I apologize to whoever was offended, it was not my intention...
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Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by arcticbull on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:58PM (#26041100)
Yeah, taxation isn't extortion and tyranny isn't representative government tho but otherwise agreed!

I would argue the conversion is the one you're utilizing, from "taxation" to "extortion."

Extortion is a specifically defined crime, and of course, it is the role of the government to define criminal behavior. In the same way that getting arrested by the police isn't kidnapping, paying taxes isn't extortion.

The consent of the governed and all that.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by alentist on Sunday February 07, 2021 @02:02AM (#26053254)
> The consent of the governed and all that.

Can you explain what you mean by this?

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by treeman79 on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:08PM (#26041218)
Turns out if you don’t pay taxes or fines, at the extreme you can be shot to death. This is legal.

Lot of laws and rules are arbitrary, so a government official get a “fine”, sometimes massive fines, placed against you.

You pay it or lose everything, go to jail, or get shot for refusing.

Lots of struggling business owners are finding themselves in this situation lately.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by arcticbull on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:45PM (#26041620)
Lots of small business owners are getting shot for not paying taxes? Generally you have to make profit to pay taxes. Otherwise they've been substantial beneficiaries of programs like the PPP.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by treeman79 on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:44PM (#26042617)
Gyms and restaurants are opening despite orders.

Many have already been given major fines, had utilities shutdown, etc.

Friends our shutdown there restaurant last week.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by arcticbull on Friday February 05, 2021 @08:34PM (#26043324)
That’s what happens when you break the law. It’s like talking about all your friends jailed for DUI, like ok, maybe don’t do that then?
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by wernercd on Friday February 05, 2021 @10:40PM (#26043913)
Break the law? "Dictator" given mandates without scientific backing are "law" now?

Because everywhere you look... with or without lockdowns, COVID is spreading... California, New Jersey, Florida, Texas... all different approaches. All spreading in "2nd waves"...

Not everyone is okay with following "decree's from on high by a benevolent master" without end because "the war will never be over so give me more power"...

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by arcticbull on Saturday February 06, 2021 @06:28PM (#26051138)
Just to be clear, the state and federal government have a long history of challenged (and ultimately upheld) sweeping authority to impose restrictions in support of public heath. Here's an analysis by the CATO institute, which is, dare I say, not exactly "left-leaning". [1]

There were pandemics and lockdowns all the way back to the founding fathers, which I still find very strange to hearken back to, they made a lot of poor decisions too - but I digress.

[1] https://www.cato.org/commentary/are-lockdown-orders-constitu...

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by arcticbull on Friday February 05, 2021 @11:26PM (#26044119)
Not in New Zealand though huh. Where they did the lockdowns properly, and it stopped Covid completely. Compliance is the issue not the approach.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by ARandomerDude on Saturday February 06, 2021 @01:19AM (#26044564)
So all laws are good? Is that what you would say to someone who broke Jim Crow?
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by sawjet on Friday February 05, 2021 @10:59PM (#26044009)
> That’s what happens when you break the law. It’s like talking about all your friends jailed for DUI, like ok, maybe don’t do that then?

What law is being broken?

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by mv4 on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:20PM (#26041950)
survival -> stimulus
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by objektif on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:19PM (#26040122)
Be evil -> Don't be evil.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by joseluis on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:10PM (#26041861)
Don't be evil -> Don't don't be evil
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by yholio on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:04PM (#26041167)
Genius.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by AdmiralAsshat on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:36PM (#26042568)
Oh... That makes so much more sense.

I have many ever-so-slightly aged cookbooks (Asian-themed, in particular) that would always recommend, "Use rapeseed oil for stir-frying, due to its high smoke point" and driving myself nuts trying to find rapeseed oil at grocery stores. Even at Asian marts! I could find grapeseed oil, but never rapeseed.

Thank you!

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by carabiner on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:41PM (#26042592)
This might sound rude, but you never thought to google "rapeseed oil" and immediately clear up what it is?
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by hombre_fatal on Friday February 05, 2021 @09:18PM (#26043545)
I think resourcefulness is inexplicably decreasing in the age of information.

For example, it amazes me how many questions on r/Spanish could be answered in 5 seconds by pasting the title into Google, but OP also wrote two paragraphs to explain their predicament of being unable to translate a common word.

I don't want to pile on our friend above, but it's a good example. We are all seconds away from just looking up rapeseed oil and learning some interesting things about it, but we don't even do that (myself included in all of this).

It reminds me of the parable of the lumberjack who is found trying to cut down the same tree all day with a dull axe because he says he doesn't have time to sharpen it.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by LordAtlas on Saturday February 06, 2021 @12:16AM (#26044322)
I just googled "rapeseed oil" (though I knew another name for it is "canola"), and literally the first result's title is "Rapeseed Oil (Canola Oil): Uses, Benefits, and Downsides".

I understand people asking about subjective stuff but objective stuff like this is so easy to Google.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by ska on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:46PM (#26042634)
It's also still the common term in some places (e.g. UK, iirc) so you may find it in current recipes.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by TylerE on Friday February 05, 2021 @07:39PM (#26043000)
Technically, it's a subset. Not all rapeseed oil is low-acid (the l-a in canola).
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by ska on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @06:58PM (#26096483)
Fair point. In europe, say, would that be marketed as low acid rapeseed oil though, rather than canola?
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by hh3k0 on Saturday February 06, 2021 @12:12AM (#26044306)
"Rape blossom" is perhaps my favorite English word because of how starkly the feelings invoked by the individual words contrast each other.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by Ntrails on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:29PM (#26040220)
I always wondered what the hell canola was (not enough to look it up, but, still)
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by ngoldbaum on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:35PM (#26040283)
CANadian Oil Low Acid, it’s lower in erucic acid than other rapeseed cultivars. In the early 70s there were studies in rats that showed that erucic acid caused heart disease so canola was marketed as being healthier.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by hnick on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:59PM (#26041754)
That's the same acid which lead to mustard oil being banned, hence it being labelled 'for ceremonial purposes only' or something similar in Indian groceries in the US as a wink-wink workaround.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by mleonhard on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:09PM (#26041853)
Is mustard oil used in a lot of Indian cuisine? I wonder if that has something to do with the high rates of heart disease in people of Indian descent?
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by hnick on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:16PM (#26041911)
I have no firsthand knowledge of Indian home cooking, but here's an article about it which claims it's common.

https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/02/mustard-oil-guide.html

From what I've seen in passing most people attribute rising heart disease to economic prosperity leading to a more westernised diet but I haven't really looked into it.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by neeleshs on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:56PM (#26042714)
More common in some northern states than in south India.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by LordAtlas on Saturday February 06, 2021 @12:20AM (#26044331)
"Indian cuisine" is not a monolith and in fact, regional cuisines are disparate, contrary to the image derived from Indian restaurant menus abroad. Some parts of India like West Bengal (which is in east India) famously use mustard oil in a lot of their cooking. Other parts of the country never use it.

(I'm Indian.)

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by markdown on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:55PM (#26042276)
I've only seen it used to make Aam ka achaar (mango pickle)
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by TylerE on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:33PM (#26040270)
It stands for CANadian Oil Low Acid.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by elif on Friday February 05, 2021 @08:03PM (#26043136)
"cow feet juice" is actually a euphemism in itself.

All kinds of connective tissue and meat plant scraps, as well as anything that grows in it during it's unrefrigerated transport and storage, go into gelatin.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by JoeAltmaier on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:05PM (#26042356)
Chinese Gooseberry -> Kiwi Fruit
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by hjek on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:31PM (#26040246)
alligator pear → avocado
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by jcims on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:28PM (#26040783)
Ooh, that one went the wrong way imho
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by rpastuszak on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:52PM (#26041026)
Or rather: testicles -> alligator pear
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by legerdemain on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:30PM (#26042036)
But in actual reality: edible testicles -> mountain oysters.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by rpastuszak on Saturday February 06, 2021 @04:17AM (#26045343)
(nahuatl) ahuakatl (testicles) -> (ES) aguacate -> (ES, EN) avocado

Source: https://www.etymonline.com/word/avocado

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by TheMagicHorsey on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:05PM (#26039283)
OMG! This is the worst TIL of my entire life. I eat a shameful amount of Jello as an adult, and I did not know this!
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by taneq on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:14PM (#26039388)
If it makes you feel better it's often pig feet, and sometimes various knees.

Also, gelatin is in EVERYTHING. Good luck eating virtually any dessert if you're a strict vegetarian.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by gknoy on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:44PM (#26039743)
I still remember (with a mixture of awe and horror) the video I saw that showed how gummy bears are made... in reverse. So you start with delicious looking things, and it just gets more and more nightmarish. It was brilliantly done, and I am pretty sure I think of it almost every time I think about gummy candies.

I think I found it again by searching for "reverse gummy bear video". I won't link it directly, so that if you really don't want to see it, there's less chance of reflexively clicking a link. ;)

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by RankingMember on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:14PM (#26040063)
Welp, guess I've eaten my last gummy bear. At least Swedish Fish are gelatin-free!

The video, for anyone wanting a direct link (be warned, it's exactly as gknoy described): https://vimeo.com/180163754

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by fencepost on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:55PM (#26040471)
Fascinating, never thought about how they get the skin off. Think in terms of a cross between a large powered vegetable peeler and a packing tape dispenser (the kind with a handle).

The video is not actually gory - shows parts of the cleaning and butchering process, but not the slaughterhouse.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by taneq on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:30PM (#26042530)
I had a callout a few years ago to fix some issues with a sheep pelter. I'd never seen one before and didn't have much context until the guy described how it was meant to work, at which point I... did not feel well. Ended up having weird OS comms issues with the PLC programming software and after a few hours of frustration wasn't able to connect anyway, but to this day that's the most morally compromised I've ever felt about my job. Which I guess is weird, I mean the sheep were already dead so it's not like it was gonna suffer more, but... ew. Ew ew ew. So much ew. Not gonna lie, a part of me was relieved that I couldn't help them.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by fencepost on Friday February 05, 2021 @10:22PM (#26043824)
I'm sitting here just opening and closing my mouth in that "I'm sure there's something to say about this but I'm not quite sure what" way.

Getting past that, I was pretty sure I knew what a sheep pelter was, but I did not expect that there is in fact a product (TM!) named the Pelt-O-Matic.

Reading the description it sounds very.... efficient.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by InitialLastName on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:00PM (#26040523)
Warning: Don't watch the same video for electronics (assuming it exists and gets back to the heavy metal mines)
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by frongpik on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:45PM (#26041613)
Decomposing an alive pig into gummy bears is like making gold bars out of laptops.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by dashundchen on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:29PM (#26039578)
As someone who eats plant based, that is definitely not the case in the US. Gelatin is very easy to avoid.

Outside of jello itself, the common desserts that contain it are chewy candies and some mousse type desserts. So canolli, mousse, and flan frequently have gelatin, along with things like Starbursts and some chewing gums, but other than that I have not found it to be a common ingredient.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by taneq on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:34PM (#26039637)
Weird... In Australia (last I checked at least, maybe it's changed) it's commonly in chocolate, ice cream, and any kind of soft sweet, to the point where it's nigh impossible to get any of the above without it.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by nicoburns on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:09PM (#26040005)
There are very good vegetarian substitutes for gelatine, they're just more expensive. So gelatine content can vary quite widely by market depending on the number of vegetarians. Here in the UK it used to be in a lot more things 20 years ago than it is now.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by worker767424 on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:08PM (#26039995)
> chocolate

Definitely not in anything like a bar of chocolate.

> ice cream

Oddly, this seems to vary a lot by country. It's rare in the US, though. Guar gum is common, though.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by kevinmchugh on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:56PM (#26041728)
People who keep kosher or halal mostly avoid gelatin, so countries with notable kosher, halal, and vegetarian/vegan populations probably see less gelatin use.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by hjek on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:39PM (#26040329)
Expert vegan here. No, gelatin is never in plain chocolates, but often added to diced coconut!
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by fencepost on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:59PM (#26040506)
For chocolates it might be in things with foams or nougat. Definitely in marshmallows.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by worker767424 on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:19PM (#26040698)
Ah. chocolates != chocolate

Usually nougat uses egg whites so it doesn't need gelatin as a protein. Marshmallows are arguably nougat, though, since they're also sugar bound with protein. Marshmallow cream usually uses egg.

All of the major nougat US candy bars I can find use egg and not gelatin.

I've seen chocolates with marshmallow in them.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by jcul on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:39PM (#26042130)
In Ireland it would be very rare for me to see it in ice-cream or chocolate, and I'm fairly religious about checking labels. Plenty of sweets / jellies, but these days there are more and more vegan / vegetarian options.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by coliveira on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:44PM (#26039735)
Not just food, gelatin is also found in shampoos, face masks, cosmetics in general, and all kinds of candy.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by worker767424 on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:12PM (#26040045)
The theme in the US is things that are chewy and things that are stored cold and need to retain a texture.

The common places you might not expect it are sour cream, yogurt, fondant, and some Planters dry-roasted nuts.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by baccheion on Friday February 05, 2021 @08:57PM (#26043440)
Does Great Lakes gelatin have the same "random assortment" issue?
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by taurath on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:04PM (#26040571)
The history of gelatin as a food product is fascinating, as it exploded in popularity in the mid century - check out some of these.... interesting looking dishes.

https://flashbak.com/meals-in-a-mold-the-mid-centurys-love-a...

https://www.thedailymeal.com/eat/why-were-there-so-many-gela...

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by markdown on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:02PM (#26042333)
I always thought it was made from the actual hoof... which I assume is keratin.

But this video shows it to be made from pig skin https://vimeo.com/180163754

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by amelius on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:47PM (#26040980)
And the red coloring in many foods (E120) is made from insects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by pvaldes on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:37PM (#26040306)
A different question could be why are you a strict vegetarian when your species evolved as an omnivore

Everybody turning strict vegetarian would create an ecological disaster at planetary level.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by InitialLastName on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:13PM (#26040642)
Why is that worse than the planetary-level ecological disaster that's currently being exacerbated by everyone in the developed world eating a ridiculous amount of meat?

My species also "evolved" to constantly fight wars against everyone not in my family; I'd say it's really good news that we were able to develop moral and conceptual systems to overwhelm our evolutionary tendencies.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by hnick on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:02PM (#26041788)
So you live a hunter gatherer lifestyle, mostly outdoors, and definitely don't sit in a chair out of the sun for hours at a time? Since we're talking about evolution.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by taneq on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:48PM (#26042654)
I'm not, I evolved as an omnivore. I also generally don't like meat though because I'm weird.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by interestica on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:18PM (#26039439)
Do they still use horse parts for the glue that keeps the boxes shut?
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by masklinn on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:37PM (#26039668)
Hopefully, what else are you going to do with hooves and bones otherwise, throw them away? That's wasteful!

(in reality there's almost no chance, synthetic glues are way easier to manufacture and manage, outside of gelatin animal glues would near-only be used for restoration or specialty applications e.g. some lutherie and other speciality woodworking)

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by LargoLasskhyfv on Friday February 05, 2021 @08:47PM (#26043392)
'Terra Preta'
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by brailsafe on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:31PM (#26039604)
I hope so, horses are terrifying.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by scythe on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:45PM (#26039757)
You know, it's kind of funny. Horses might have a better argument than any other animal for being the natural predator of humans. Specifically, nomadic depredations on preindustrial societies comprised armies with a proportionally small number of humans and a large number of horses pillaging towns and cities full of horseless humans. In 13th-century Asia, the average horse probably had a better life than the average human. The same thing happened shortly after the horse was (re)introduced to North America in the sixteenth century; settled agricultural societies were quickly overrun by horse-riding nomads.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by legerdemain on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:10PM (#26040621)
No, but there are plenty of horse parts in red wine.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by djrogers on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:24PM (#26040736)
Not sure where you're from, but at least for American-made wines that's not often the case, as there are many more common and/or cheaper sources for chitin, casein, gelatin, etc. (pig and cow, as well as egg based sources for example). Also, blood-based fining agents have been outlawed in the US and Europe since the mid 90s thanks to the mad-cow scare.

Of course this conversation also ignores the fact that fining agents are removed from wine before bottling as part of their purpose - they bind with the crap you don't want in your wine. Typical store-bought wine will have no detectable amount of a fining agent in it.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by legerdemain on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:27PM (#26042006)
It's contamination "by association." I don't think it's debatable that fewer people would drink wine with pleasure if I told them it was filtered through human bone char, even if I didn't include any in the bottle.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by worker767424 on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:22PM (#26040721)
It's more common in white wine.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by throwaway316943 on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:07PM (#26039314)
It’s good for you
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by hh3k0 on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:41PM (#26039710)
I'd argue that cow feet are best for cows.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by Spooky23 on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:17PM (#26040094)
If people didn’t eat cows or drink milk, they’d be like most other large ruminants... extinct.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by ashtonkem on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:21PM (#26042472)
Being selected as a food species for a more successful species is a classic example of the conundrum of evolution; it’s great for the species and pretty bad for the individual.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by MisterTea on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:56PM (#26040487)
They don't need them after they've been sent to the market.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by JTbane on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:03PM (#26039945)
luckily there are alternatives if you are vegan, such as agar and pectin
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by yongjik on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:15PM (#26040659)
Wouldn't call it a successful rebranding. Cow feet soup is positively delicious (and rather expensive).
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by ryanisnan on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:18PM (#26040690)
You're missing the point. Cow feet soup might be positively delicious, but from a North American standpoint (and probably most western cultures), it's not something people are lining up for.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by jacoblambda on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:22PM (#26040722)
I wouldn't necessarily say that, pig feet soups are extremely popular in the south, particularly in Cajun cuisine. It's not exactly the same but is rather similar. Almost everyone knows what it is and it doesn't both us that it is what it is despite being in NA.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by skissane on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:50PM (#26042666)
> but from a North American standpoint (and probably most western cultures), it's not something people are lining up for.

I’m an Australian of Anglo-Celtic descent and I’ve always been keen to try “weird” foods. Never had cow feet soup, but sounds tasty. I’m sure I’m not the only Westerner with this attitude either

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by yongjik on Friday February 05, 2021 @07:02PM (#26042762)
I think there's a sizable population of Koreans in Australia, so if you have access to a Korea town, try to find a restaurant with "gomtang" (thick broth soup) in its name (or something similar) - the cow feet soup is called "joktang" or "ujoktang". In case you're curious, they look like this: https://www.google.com/search?q=%EC%A1%B1%ED%83%95&tbm=isch

That said, they're an acquired taste, so you may think it's an overpriced sugar-free lump of Jello in greasy water... YMMV. :)

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by treeman79 on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:10PM (#26041246)
Chicken foot soup also tasty.

Burritos with an actual foot inside of, well coworkers say it’s good.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by bayindirh on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:39PM (#26040894)
and immune system boosting. :)
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by LargoLasskhyfv on Friday February 05, 2021 @08:41PM (#26043363)
Most ancient: Bee(s) vomit -> Honey!
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by ficklepickle on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:04PM (#26041164)
Chicken periods -> eggs
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by mirekrusin on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:30PM (#26040810)
Sushi vs cold, dead fish.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by specialist on Saturday February 06, 2021 @12:31AM (#26044374)
The way I heard it:

bait -> sushi

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by chiefalchemist on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:02PM (#26042335)
vs _raw_ dead fish :)
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by JoeAltmaier on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:05PM (#26042359)
vs _cold_ _raw_ dead fish :)
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by 29athrowaway on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:30PM (#26040227)
Fraud -> Subprime mortgage crisis

Theft -> Quantitative Easing

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by SAI_Peregrinus on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:47PM (#26040396)
Bank Fraud -> Identity Theft
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by chihuahua on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:42PM (#26040912)
Bank robbery -> Undocumented withdrawal
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by sizzle on Saturday February 06, 2021 @04:12AM (#26045324)
coagulated cow puss --> cheese (got this one from "What The Health" documentary on Netflix)
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by thunkshift1 on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:24PM (#26040741)
Hold up.. what?
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by WalterSear on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:29PM (#26040799)
Jello is called jello because it's made from gelatin. Which was some poor cow's hooves, among other things.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by chiefalchemist on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:03PM (#26042339)
Affordable Care Act > ObamaCare
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by smm11 on Friday February 05, 2021 @07:15PM (#26042859)
ObamaCare > RomneyCare
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by throwawgler87 on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:18PM (#26039446)
Anyone know if gelatin causes extra animals to be killed? If not, you probably could feel okay about it.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by mmastrac on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:38PM (#26039671)
Morals of animal consumption aside, adding demand for any part of an animal will add some degree of financial benefit for using animals in general (ie: reducing waste by making use of an additional part means more $ in the farmer's pocket per cow).
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by nkingsy on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:27PM (#26040772)
What about that fancy organic fertilizer?
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by CobrastanJorji on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:37PM (#26039659)
Well, maybe. By finding a valuable use for an otherwise unused part of the animal, you're increasing the value of raising and slaughtering animals, and increasing the value of something usually encourages more of it. But it's more interesting than that because the main market is for the meat, and if the availability of meat were to decrease because it's not as profitable, one would expect the price to go back up a bit, which would in turn encourage more production.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by yholio on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:12PM (#26041267)
That's a strange way to frame it. Reducing waste will allow farmers to cover more of the production costs using non-meat revenue. In a competitive market, this will push them to lower the price of meat, stimulating its consumption, and increasing the number of animals, which in turn will lead to economies of scale, lower costs and prices, even higher demand and even more animals.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by barrkel on Saturday February 06, 2021 @12:55AM (#26044472)
You don't know the elasticity of demand for the non-meat parts. Parent was hypothesising that the demand for it might be inelastic so the price would go up.

Further, a lower price for meat may stimulate demand but it will more likely suppress production rather than increase it. It depends on the costs of raising the animals and the opportunity costs of the farmers. Excess profit is what generally attracts competition and more production. Lower prices are not normally associated with larger profits. Only a few "markets" are much different; e.g. oil, gas, etc.

There's two sides to every price setting action, supply and demand. The current price is where they cross now, so the shapes of the respective curves aren't necessarily clear.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by yholio on Sunday February 07, 2021 @03:17PM (#26057833)
> Further, a lower price for meat may stimulate demand but it will more likely suppress production rather than increase it.

You might have missed the premise where the reduced prices in meat are a direct result of competition and increased profits due to better margins on non-meat products. The specific demand elasticity is irrelevant for this scenario - as long as pig hides and lard are not Veblen goods.

If more consumer money is put into the animal product market then there are two possible outcomes: either they all go into the profits of the manufacturers in a perfectly monopolistic market, or they go towards higher quantities being produced in a competitive market. It's economically impossible to depress production by increasing demand for the products of a certain industry - except very particular market anomalies, luxury and status goods etc.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by fencepost on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:48PM (#26040413)
Very unlikely as it's basically a way to get value out of low value parts. If sources on Wikipedia are to be trusted it's mostly made from pig and cow hides, which is why you can also find kosher gelatin (where the supply chain is known and free of pork products).
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by Ekaros on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:48PM (#26040410)
Probably not. Lot of parts can produce gelatin and they are usually not the ones eaten or are less preferable. So actually I think it likely did reduce waste.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by WalterSear on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:31PM (#26040824)
Everything that increases the profit of a system, by being a revenue source or even just reducing the cost of the process, contributes to the system.

Yes, animals are being killed and ground up to make gelatin.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by ashtonkem on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:19PM (#26042459)
Picky Americans refusing to eat offal probably contributed to meat calories being wasted and therefore more animals being slaughtered to meet demand.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by darth_avocado on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:52PM (#26039827)
Not if you're vegetarians. Or Hindus.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by F_J_H on Friday February 05, 2021 @07:07PM (#26042795)
"Can I smoke while I pray" vs. "Can I pray while I smoke"
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by ARandomerDude on Saturday February 06, 2021 @01:23AM (#26044573)
Crossdresser -> transgender
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Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by mirekrusin on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:33PM (#26040841)
Caviar vs fish babies.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by MS-DDOS on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:04PM (#26040570)
HN has been devovling into Reddit for a while now. Smh.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by dang on Saturday February 06, 2021 @03:58PM (#26049880)
Please see the last paragraph of https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, including the links there.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by Blikkentrekker on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:18PM (#26041338)
The Darwinist in me, honestly, welcomes the death of foolish men by their own hand, who would opt-out of a life-saving procedure for but a dislike of it's name.