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Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by taneq on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:14PM (#26039388)
If it makes you feel better it's often pig feet, and sometimes various knees.

Also, gelatin is in EVERYTHING. Good luck eating virtually any dessert if you're a strict vegetarian.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by gknoy on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:44PM (#26039743)
I still remember (with a mixture of awe and horror) the video I saw that showed how gummy bears are made... in reverse. So you start with delicious looking things, and it just gets more and more nightmarish. It was brilliantly done, and I am pretty sure I think of it almost every time I think about gummy candies.

I think I found it again by searching for "reverse gummy bear video". I won't link it directly, so that if you really don't want to see it, there's less chance of reflexively clicking a link. ;)

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by RankingMember on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:14PM (#26040063)
Welp, guess I've eaten my last gummy bear. At least Swedish Fish are gelatin-free!

The video, for anyone wanting a direct link (be warned, it's exactly as gknoy described): https://vimeo.com/180163754

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by fencepost on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:55PM (#26040471)
Fascinating, never thought about how they get the skin off. Think in terms of a cross between a large powered vegetable peeler and a packing tape dispenser (the kind with a handle).

The video is not actually gory - shows parts of the cleaning and butchering process, but not the slaughterhouse.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by taneq on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:30PM (#26042530)
I had a callout a few years ago to fix some issues with a sheep pelter. I'd never seen one before and didn't have much context until the guy described how it was meant to work, at which point I... did not feel well. Ended up having weird OS comms issues with the PLC programming software and after a few hours of frustration wasn't able to connect anyway, but to this day that's the most morally compromised I've ever felt about my job. Which I guess is weird, I mean the sheep were already dead so it's not like it was gonna suffer more, but... ew. Ew ew ew. So much ew. Not gonna lie, a part of me was relieved that I couldn't help them.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by fencepost on Friday February 05, 2021 @10:22PM (#26043824)
I'm sitting here just opening and closing my mouth in that "I'm sure there's something to say about this but I'm not quite sure what" way.

Getting past that, I was pretty sure I knew what a sheep pelter was, but I did not expect that there is in fact a product (TM!) named the Pelt-O-Matic.

Reading the description it sounds very.... efficient.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by InitialLastName on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:00PM (#26040523)
Warning: Don't watch the same video for electronics (assuming it exists and gets back to the heavy metal mines)
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by frongpik on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:45PM (#26041613)
Decomposing an alive pig into gummy bears is like making gold bars out of laptops.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by dashundchen on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:29PM (#26039578)
As someone who eats plant based, that is definitely not the case in the US. Gelatin is very easy to avoid.

Outside of jello itself, the common desserts that contain it are chewy candies and some mousse type desserts. So canolli, mousse, and flan frequently have gelatin, along with things like Starbursts and some chewing gums, but other than that I have not found it to be a common ingredient.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by taneq on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:34PM (#26039637)
Weird... In Australia (last I checked at least, maybe it's changed) it's commonly in chocolate, ice cream, and any kind of soft sweet, to the point where it's nigh impossible to get any of the above without it.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by nicoburns on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:09PM (#26040005)
There are very good vegetarian substitutes for gelatine, they're just more expensive. So gelatine content can vary quite widely by market depending on the number of vegetarians. Here in the UK it used to be in a lot more things 20 years ago than it is now.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by worker767424 on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:08PM (#26039995)
> chocolate

Definitely not in anything like a bar of chocolate.

> ice cream

Oddly, this seems to vary a lot by country. It's rare in the US, though. Guar gum is common, though.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by kevinmchugh on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:56PM (#26041728)
People who keep kosher or halal mostly avoid gelatin, so countries with notable kosher, halal, and vegetarian/vegan populations probably see less gelatin use.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by hjek on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:39PM (#26040329)
Expert vegan here. No, gelatin is never in plain chocolates, but often added to diced coconut!
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by fencepost on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:59PM (#26040506)
For chocolates it might be in things with foams or nougat. Definitely in marshmallows.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by worker767424 on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:19PM (#26040698)
Ah. chocolates != chocolate

Usually nougat uses egg whites so it doesn't need gelatin as a protein. Marshmallows are arguably nougat, though, since they're also sugar bound with protein. Marshmallow cream usually uses egg.

All of the major nougat US candy bars I can find use egg and not gelatin.

I've seen chocolates with marshmallow in them.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by jcul on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:39PM (#26042130)
In Ireland it would be very rare for me to see it in ice-cream or chocolate, and I'm fairly religious about checking labels. Plenty of sweets / jellies, but these days there are more and more vegan / vegetarian options.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by coliveira on Friday February 05, 2021 @01:44PM (#26039735)
Not just food, gelatin is also found in shampoos, face masks, cosmetics in general, and all kinds of candy.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by worker767424 on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:12PM (#26040045)
The theme in the US is things that are chewy and things that are stored cold and need to retain a texture.

The common places you might not expect it are sour cream, yogurt, fondant, and some Planters dry-roasted nuts.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by baccheion on Friday February 05, 2021 @08:57PM (#26043440)
Does Great Lakes gelatin have the same "random assortment" issue?
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by taurath on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:04PM (#26040571)
The history of gelatin as a food product is fascinating, as it exploded in popularity in the mid century - check out some of these.... interesting looking dishes.

https://flashbak.com/meals-in-a-mold-the-mid-centurys-love-a...

https://www.thedailymeal.com/eat/why-were-there-so-many-gela...

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by markdown on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:02PM (#26042333)
I always thought it was made from the actual hoof... which I assume is keratin.

But this video shows it to be made from pig skin https://vimeo.com/180163754

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by amelius on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:47PM (#26040980)
And the red coloring in many foods (E120) is made from insects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by pvaldes on Friday February 05, 2021 @02:37PM (#26040306)
A different question could be why are you a strict vegetarian when your species evolved as an omnivore

Everybody turning strict vegetarian would create an ecological disaster at planetary level.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by InitialLastName on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:13PM (#26040642)
Why is that worse than the planetary-level ecological disaster that's currently being exacerbated by everyone in the developed world eating a ridiculous amount of meat?

My species also "evolved" to constantly fight wars against everyone not in my family; I'd say it's really good news that we were able to develop moral and conceptual systems to overwhelm our evolutionary tendencies.

Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by hnick on Friday February 05, 2021 @05:02PM (#26041788)
So you live a hunter gatherer lifestyle, mostly outdoors, and definitely don't sit in a chair out of the sun for hours at a time? Since we're talking about evolution.
Re:Fecal transplant turns cancer immunotherapy non-responder... by taneq on Friday February 05, 2021 @06:48PM (#26042654)
I'm not, I evolved as an omnivore. I also generally don't like meat though because I'm weird.