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Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by beowulfey on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:58PM (#50473305)
Copied this from my post in the other thread:

The Status page is not working well, but I managed to subscribe to their RSS feed and it has been sending out updates periodically. I'll post some of them here.

9:30 PM UTC: We're aggressively pursuing all pathways to reduce impact. As a precaution, we've paused all deployments and configuration changes while we review recent changes for any correlation to this event. We've determined that the elevated load isn't driven by an overall increase in traffic, but by a large number of servers being unexpectedly unavailable, which is shifting load onto the remaining infrastructure. We're investigating what's causing these servers to become unavailable while we work to safely return them to service.

9:16 PM UTC: We're aggressively pursuing all pathways to reduce impact. As a precaution, we've paused all deployments and configuration changes while we review recent changes for any correlation to this event. We've also moved traffic for some services off the affected infrastructure to further reduce load, with additional traffic moves in progress.

8:59 PM UTC: We've completed redistributing connection traffic across our worldwide infrastructure, and we're moving additional traffic off the affected infrastructure to further reduce load. We're also restarting affected servers to return them to service. In parallel, we're investigating whether the elevated traffic reflects a genuine increase in requests or a shift in how traffic is being routed across our infrastructure.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by ArcHound on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:02PM (#50473363)
They are turning it off and on again. I don't even. If this works, our industry is cooked as the kids say.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by justonceokay on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:29PM (#50473749)
In Maintenance, sometimes the dumb solution is the best. The servers that ran amazon.com had a memory leak and were subsequently restarted. This hack continues for years because it was the most cost-effective thing to do.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by jimmaswell on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:44PM (#50473993)
I suppose you might want to first rule out a break-in, and if there is one, recover evidence that won't survive a reboot.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by jamesfinlayson on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:46PM (#50478464)
Yeah, a place I worked at years ago had a cron job to restart some critical service at midnight because it leaked memory all day. That was there for years.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Rantenki on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:05AM (#50478995)
Another real world example: to this day, it's a good idea to limit requests per PHP process using the MaxRequestsPerChild(apache)/max_requests(php-fpm) config option to some sane limit. After that configured number of requests, the PHP worker is terminated and restarted to... "fix" memory leaks. I remember setting that in the late 90s on Apache...

I am happy to no longer use PHP for anything.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by jamesfinlayson on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:30AM (#50479181)
Oh, it's been a while but I remember that.

I've used PHP in two previous jobs and certainly the stuff that I was in control of had it set to 0 because we made sure we didn't leak memory. Other departments... I'm sure at least one had the limit set to something non-zero.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by ninalanyon on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:33AM (#50482616)
We had a mail server that ran on an old DEC minicomputer. I rebooted it every six months because it had a slow memory, or possibly resource, leak somewhere.

It was the only thing running on that box so it wasn't a big deal to reboot.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by onefiftymike on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:43PM (#50473991)
I worked on multi-million dollar airplanes. If a pilot called me with an issue and hadn't rebooted the plane (on the ground), I wouldn't even talk to them. Rebooting isn't always a bad solution to technology.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by ArcHound on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:49PM (#50474064)
It's not a bad solution, it definitely should be tried. But I'm still rather shocked to see it in official notes.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by mapontosevenths on Thursday November 12, 2026 @04:32PM (#50474604)
It's not a solution at all. It's a symptom.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by NetMageSCW on Friday November 13, 2026 @10:56AM (#50485391)
It’s not a symptom, it’s a work around until a more permanent fix can be deployed.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by mapontosevenths on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:30PM (#50490965)
> it’s a work around until a more permanent fix can be deployed.

If it "fixes" your problem, then you didn't fix you problem you identified it. It's another symptom of a bloated industry that can't or won't innovate, and I think it's more "won't" than "can't."

For example, we still can't patch running Windows, and most of the information technology professionals I know are still convinced it's impossible. Billions upon billions of dollars in time have been lost, probably enough man hours to send men to mars several times over.

Yet, you can just buy a version of Windows Server that already does it. It's not only possible, they already have the code. They just don't care enough to integrated it into the product most people use.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by taftster on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:49PM (#50476123)
(on the ground) is probably pretty key, though. Ha ha. I can imagine the conversation if this was in the air.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by thisismyanon2 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @07:39PM (#50476593)
Rebooting is also the only solution for some problems.

looks at the Boeing 787

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by olyjohn on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:00PM (#50477126)
[delayed]
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by SoftTalker on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:25PM (#50477298)
Thales or Collins or Honeywell or whoever provided the system would. The technician at the airport would only follow a procedure listed on a checklist, which probably includes rebooting the system.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by cyphar on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:11AM (#50481121)
Ironically there have been a fair few cases of aircraft incidents where components were reported as bad by pilots but the issue couldn't be reproduced on the ground and "it worked" after a reboot and self-test so they just kept using it (with this cycle repeating multiple times). Often there were clear physical problems (cracked solder joints, stuck microswitches, broken insulation) that were only discovered after a catastrophic failure but could've been discovered with a more inquisitive engineering culture.

I would argue a "just reboot it" culture leads to more problems -- engineers should be empowered to diagnose problems before they become catastrophic. In the world of software we even have mechanisms for extracting data from failed systems to root cause them later, and yet most people do not take that step before "just reboot[ing] it".

[1]: AirAsia 8501, Lauda Air 004, and SmartLynx Estonia 9001 come to mind.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by hgomersall on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:58AM (#50482257)
Right, rebooting only really makes sense if you understand why the reboot is going to fix the problem. As in, corrupted volatile state is reasonably fixed with a reboot. Any hardware issues or persistent state problems could well get worse.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Merrill on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:05AM (#50482337)
The following is a few decades old --

A physicist, an engineer, and a computer programmer are driving down a steep mountain pass when the car’s brakes fail.

The car speeds out of control around sharp turns, nearly flying off the edge before they miraculously manage to skid to a stop at the bottom.

Shaken up, they discuss what to do next:

• The physicist says: "We need to calculate the friction coefficients in the brake pads and model the temperature rise to figure out why they failed."

• The engineer says: "I have a few tools in the trunk. I’ll take a look underneath and see if I can fix the mechanical failure."

• The programmer says: "Why don't we get back in and see if it's reproducible?"

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by electroweak on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:12AM (#50483041)
But these intermittent failures lead to delays and worse. The sheer cost of repeat events leads to action. If deferrable at all the standard troubleshooting is mostly remove and replace. The repair and reliability processes identify these rogue units fairly fast and the actual rates of that in a well functioning airline are very low.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by SoftTalker on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:21AM (#50485753)
Yes, I remember a flight that sat at the gate past departure time, the explanation to the passengers was that some essential piece of equipment wasn't functioning, they had tried restarting it, and it was going to be replaced. About 30 minutes late, we were on our way.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by onefiftymike on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:34PM (#50486829)
The vast majority of the problems were a system that missed the time window to report it's self test. A reboot got things in order.

It was a small fleet, so we had a pretty good idea if the same problem kept popping up so we could look more into that system.

A few fault codes were well known enough that if you called with that one the answer was to shut down and find a hotel, you aren't going anywhere and no reboot will take care of it. (bad detectors in the engines for about 10 years until a redesign)

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by cyberax on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:41PM (#50477945)
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by onefiftymike on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:31PM (#50486771)
I was thinking of that one as an example of why we don't do it in the air...
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by boomlinde on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:42AM (#50479283)
What makes sense for something that is used for 20 hours at a time is different from what makes sense for a service that literally has "365" in its name.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by NamTaf on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:36AM (#50482067)
In rail, we call it BOBO - battery off, battery on.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by mschuster91 on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:10PM (#50486491)
In German, we say "AEG-Effekt", ausschalten einschalten geht wieder.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by bawolff on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:50PM (#50474075)
Amateur hour. Everyone knows professionals say "power cycling" instead to make it sound complicated.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by red-iron-pine on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:31PM (#50475309)
the layman understands both of those words and their meaning together.

we "bounce" the servers when on calls with customers.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by icameron on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:20PM (#50475840)
Powercycling is a designed method to bailout Cisco routers. If you botch a configuration command and lose connection, you can have someone powercycle it to restore you last good configuration. Its not just a joke it really works more often than I'd like to admit.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by macintux on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:31PM (#50476955)
~25 years ago I was a firewall administrator, and the Cisco PIX we used was notorious for gradually running out of memory, effectively cutting off the entire company from the Internet when it went down (and it was a very big company).

We absolutely should have scheduled reboots during off hours. Lessons learned.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by martinald on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:11PM (#50473455)
Absolutely bizarre wording of these updates. Strangest corporate speak with urgency turned up to the max.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by red-iron-pine on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:29PM (#50475289)
copilot, make this doom and gloom situation sound better. assume you're using the voice of a friendly but intensely focused sysadmin. use only neutral language.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by dudus on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:14PM (#50473494)
[delayed]
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by 6031769 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:27PM (#50473707)
At Microsoft every hour is amateur hour.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Avicebron on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:46PM (#50474018)
M$lop
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by bradleyjg on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:52PM (#50474098)
Don’t worry, I’m sure it’ll get better after they layoff 60,000 people.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by ahartmetz on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:58PM (#50475628)
Don't worry, their replacements will receive very clear instructions instructing them to make no mistakes.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by mapontosevenths on Thursday November 12, 2026 @04:32PM (#50474599)
I'm not thrilled with what they've done to Windows lately myself, but this is just rude.

You know a lot of talented people who work there also post here, and it's not fair to insinuate that they aren't talented because some vastly complex system somewhere in the world had a bad day.

Stuff happens, things break. That's why lots of nines cost a lot of money. It doesn't automatically mean that anyone is incompetent.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by fyrabanks on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:32PM (#50475329)
i agree with everything you said here except the last part.

lots of nines means not having significant downtime. we passed 99.99% hours ago, and we're on the way to 99.9%

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by codingdave on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:49PM (#50476122)
No, lots of nines means they have SLAs of no significant downtime. It does not guarantee that the SLAs can never be missed, just that there will be consequences when it is missed. Lawyers and accountants and sales folks will sort out the compensation payments that come back to the customers and try to negotiate relationships back to a healthy state.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by NLips on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:07AM (#50479965)
That’s purely a choice by those claiming the nines. I’ve worked in companies selling software with more than 6 nines uptime (so that we can be more confident about the 5 nines). Not 4 nines uptime plus some money back for the other one.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by ifwinterco on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:38PM (#50475407)
Stuff happens and things break everywhere but right now at Microsoft they break badly and often, that points to actual issues.

Almost certainly not the fault of individual people, it's a management failure of course

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by NetMageSCW on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:03PM (#50488897)
When was the last major M365 outage?
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by zmgsabst on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:03PM (#50475681)
There are lots of talented amateurs. What separates professionals is standards, quality, teamwork, etc.

I agree there are many talented people at Microsoft, but I don’t see the professionalism in this incident.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by eddythompson80 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:11PM (#50475756)
Individual talent is irrelevant when you have a company culture that rewards the opposite of that. Any talented person working at Microsoft knows that they are dealing with structural problem that force MS products to be massive piles of shit. There isn't much an talented individual can do about that.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by hyperhello on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:04PM (#50476761)
An organization can become fundamentally opposed to the purpose for which it was created. Organizations simply don't follow the same laws as the individuals inside it do. A company can be made of geniuses and be totally ineffective; it can be full of talented go-getters and be completely unable to fix problems.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by buttslut5099 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:26PM (#50477306)
Satya sock account found
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by gred on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:56PM (#50478073)
ButtSlut5099, the finest detective since Sherlock Moans.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by mook on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:11AM (#50479506)
I realize I'm responding to somebody who isn't paying much effort, but still…

Isn't that comment saying the direct opposite? If it's a cultural problem, its precisely Satya's fault for not fixing it; that's the executives' job.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by eddythompson80 on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:38AM (#50483312)
I was confused too, but I said hey, it's probably typical buttslut5099
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by sznio on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:33AM (#50480726)
the rot happens from the top

and at the top is an indian

and thus, the indian failure mode commences.

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Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by MonkeyClub on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:20AM (#50482481)
Bit racist, don’t you think?
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by eddythompson80 on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:08AM (#50482988)
a bit?
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by imglorp on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:28PM (#50477340)
The enshitification of Windows was not technical incompetence; it was intentional product direction.

They transformed Windows from a useful OS to a banal surveillance and advertising platform.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:55PM (#50477540)
Microsoft's superpower has always been hiring smart people and making them work under dumb management to create flimsy, mediocre outcomes.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by taysco on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:16PM (#50478240)
I'm not actually sure this is true anymore. It seems most of their talent has left.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by freetanga on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:59AM (#50479896)
A few weeks ago I saw a clip of a lady walking us through a day at her Microsoft life.

Between breakfast, 1-hour lunch, 15-min ice cream break, 30-mins chill, 30-mins foosball games I think she worked 4 hours max.

At that point she caught some flak since it was timed with the layoffs. And I get that is not necessarily representative of the MS culture…

… but talk about timing and poor choices!

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by steve1977 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:49PM (#50474062)
Copilot hour!
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by semiquaver on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:53PM (#50474121)
The people writing these updates are very obviously not technical and are least one step removed from the actual work being done to fix this.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by EvanAnderson on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:23PM (#50475204)
To be fair: I want the people who can speak most competently to a problem to be working on it versus writing commentary. Those highly-technical people can shine in the postmortem report.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by skeeter2020 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:42PM (#50475458)
I disagree; the communication aspects - including external - are a hugely important part of any incident response. IME the biggest challenges in these situations are the many levels & combinations of communication and coordination. You don't need your best DevOps person doing it, but there should be plenty of competent technical product managers or engineering managers who could do this well.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by NetMageSCW on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:02PM (#50488871)
And how do those product or engineering managers get information on what’s being tried and what is being discovered without slowing down the process of fixing the issue?
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by cyberax on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:08AM (#50478611)
Microsoft is not a small startup where the CTO is getting pulled into firefighting.

They should have established procedures for large-scale events, and they must include a coordinator whose entire job is to manage the external and internal communication.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by codingdave on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:47PM (#50475509)
And that is a good thing. Well, maybe not good. But the last thing you need in a crisis is to pull people away from fixing the problem and make them type up status updates. Admittedly, having tech knowledge would help the writers - a technical incident management team would be better. But ain't nothing wrong with letting the PR folks write up words while the tech folk work on problem solving.

Actual tech write-ups can come later.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by shermantanktop on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:26PM (#50475247)
Amateur hour? Not sure if you've lived through one of these cascading failures, but they are hard to design against, hard to load/chaos test for, and hard to recover from. The key is that this is a dynamic load, not a static load; and it's normally amplified by uncontrolled retry behavior by clients.

In retrospect, the cause and cure are obvious to everyone.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by infamouscow on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:10PM (#50475747)
Many of us insist upon not building Rube Goldberg machines that cannot be reasoned about precisely for this reason.

Most of the time we get demonized by resume-driven developers job-hopping every few years. Today we get to laugh at their expense. These problems were entirely foreseeable and avoidable.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Den_VR on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:30PM (#50475925)
> building Rube Goldberg machines that cannot be reasoned about

What a great phrase!, can I use that in conversation?

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by lebuffon on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:08PM (#50476781)
Isn't a complex computer system, at the lowest levels, an example of a Rube Goldberg machine ?

If we could see the memory bits and the CPU internals, I think it would be good candidate, particularly branching and branch prediction.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by YZF on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:31PM (#50476954)
There are methods for building complex systems our of smaller pieces. Humanity has done this forever. An internal combustion engine is very complex. An airplane is very complex. You put a boundary around your system, you build it to a spec, you test it to a spec, you define the behaviour across anything you can see. When two engines fail on the airplane it can maybe still at least glide. Maybe there's an ejection seat. Because someone is doing the system thinking with some level of discipline.

A brick is very complex. A bearing is complex. A bolt and a nut and a washer are complex. An integrated circuit is complex. We build stuff out of that. Like buildings that don't fall when you sneeze on them.

In software we use duct tape - at best. But that's not just Microsoft, that's pretty much everyone. With maybe few exceptions.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by AIorNot on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:27PM (#50477329)
Software systems are by nature more complex than physical systems. They also lack any tangible interfaces beyond code and diagrams and collective knowledge in the minds of the humans who build and maintain them.. The rapid evolution of software is no help either..if anything AI is accelerating that rapidity as well.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by EFreethought on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:08PM (#50477180)
In my experience it is always the "business" people that do not want to take the time to do it correctly.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by llama052 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:19PM (#50475831)
Except for the fact that it seems like most Microsoft outages are self owns. I'm not sure how many times we've had outages due to bad deployments that somehow made it to their global infrastructure and only got noticed when customers notified.

Plenty of internal accounts from previous employees highlight this.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by motionlessveloc on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:28PM (#50477337)
To be fair to Microsoft (and I'm having trouble believing I just wrote that), the vast majority of outages are "self owns". If you don't change anything, you're not going to break anything, and major external events (fires, cable cuts etc) are rare and can usually be worked around.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by YZF on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:25PM (#50476906)
I have lived through and debugged cascading failures and large scale distributed systems.

The problem is amateur hour is the entire industry. Nobody specs anything, nobody tests overload conditions, nobody thinks failure modes. The stuff that every engineer does when building anything else other than software doesn't happen. The orgs are bloated. Too many teams. Too many silos. Incentives are stacked the wrong way. People are motivated to not think about systems but stay in their lane. Responsibilities are split in weird ways.

Yes. Big systems are hard. But we can build, manage and understand big systems with the right approach and people. Even one computer is complicated and many people get stuck trying to debug a piece of software running on one machine. At the end of the day it's not magic. All of humanity is big systems but when I have a power failure the power company is generally able to understand why and resolve it and the water in my tap doesn't stop flowing and the cell towers still work (generators, who would have thunk).

A friend who is really good had to leave Microsoft because of how AI was pushed. Before that he was telling me some other stories that make the culture seem pretty not great. Heard similar stories from other people. It used to be a great place filled with great people until at some point it's just another big company.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by torben-friis on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:55PM (#50477538)
I'll be the downvoted comment, since HN doesn't like to hear this, but the other flavors of engineering do stuff we don't because they're regulated.

My bet is we'll eventually get there. Planes kill people when they fall, software used to not be as dangerous, but it's been a while since it became critical infrastructure.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by mschuster91 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:03PM (#50477616)
> My bet is we'll eventually get there.

Given that people on reddit claimed that in the entirety of New Zealand no real estate transactions can be settled, causing cascading failures [1]...

I think this might actually be the incident pushing governments to designate large online services such as MS 365, Gmail et al as critical infrastructure and force companies to massive, yet-unseen levels of transparency and regulation.

The EU is already itching to act ever since the Trump admin forced US Big Tech to terminate service to the ICC judges, and this here was a square own goal for Microsoft.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1xus565/comment/1...

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by don_esteban on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:25AM (#50479153)
The other option is to not outsource everything to the cloud. Yeah, it is more convenient ... but in these times, being a bit more self reliant is not a bad thing.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by NetMageSCW on Friday November 13, 2026 @11:46AM (#50486126)
In these times, paying more for that is not an option. Servers with lots of RAM are 5 times what they cost a couple of years ago. Cloud is a huge bargain today compared to running your own infrastructure.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by bigDinosaur on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:21AM (#50478686)
I can't think of any other engineering discipline where demand might increase by a factor of a million in a few seconds because some DNS record was propagated incorrectly or something - regulation won't magically solve the issues unique to software. Maybe it's doable with vastly increased costs (a classic would be running fully redundant 1:1 warm failovers, which nobody could economically do at the cloud provider level.)

That's not to excuse incompetence or whatever, just to note that the benefit of software is precisely how easy it is to change, which will always lead to more problems.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by tarsierscripter on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:59AM (#50478936)
Electrical engineering of the power grid has the exact same failure mode: cascading failures of interconnected power grids can cause loads to increase by factor of a million in a few seconds.

I remember a power outage in 2003 that knocked out power for 55 million people and took over a week to restore in many places.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by cowlevel on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:15AM (#50483082)
Also known as *the* blackout. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_2003

Note that buggy software was a major contributing factor! The software was designed to, and would have, detected a deteriorating system an hour before anything broke, if not for a certain bug which caused the whole monitoring system to display stale data and then crash, including the redundant backup. This wasn't the only problem by far, but it was one layer of swiss cheese.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by jimnotgym on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:23AM (#50481947)
Which is the kind of exceptionalism that really creates these problems. Software is the only industry that allows people untrained in running global infrastructure to run global infrastructure.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by NetMageSCW on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:45PM (#50488706)
So why do other global systems have massive failures?
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by matwood on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:40AM (#50479735)
> My bet is we'll eventually get there.

Until the cost is mentioned. People love free or nearly free software.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by byzantinegene on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:57AM (#50480372)
i think it'll go the other direction with vibe-coded software.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Anon1096 on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:02AM (#50478580)
The problem is that you are only as strong as your weakest link. At some point, something somewhere will be architected poorly and it will one day line up perfectly with 2 other bugs that were incredibly hard to predict and then you're stuck in Microsoft's current situation.

Also, power grids are a poor example. There's been multiple instances of absolutely catastrophic failures so hoity toity capital E Engineers also make mistakes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Iberian_Peninsula_blackou...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_2003

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by publlus_enigma on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:08AM (#50478610)
We took some of the hardest problems in computer science: distributed systems, scale, concurrency and networking, and made them the standard for every To do app.

This is the inevitable consequence.

When I look across the scale of all the failures that have occurred in big tech over the past few years, my self-hosted solutions have been cheaper and more reliable. They are simple. They are small. They are easy to fix and diagnose. Because they're not trying to solve all the world's problems.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by roamerz on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:43AM (#50479291)
I think scale is the keyword there..
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Arbortheus on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:58AM (#50480386)
People expect software to be feature rich, complex and solve all the world’s problems. And if you don’t do that, the vibe coded competition will beat your cleanly architected product commercially.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by gpvos on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:02AM (#50481745)
Indeed, it's an expectation problem, and it's even worse in higher management.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by cowlevel on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:13AM (#50483051)
It's not even better though. It doesn't have more features because it's a distributed system. It isn't faster because it's a distributed system. Maybe it has a bit higher uptime but nobody was paying too much attention to that anyway, except when it's down. And it's much better for your PR if, when it's down, it isn't down for everyone at once.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by shermantanktop on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:44PM (#50491797)
Users don't expect infinite features.

Managers and marketers are the ones asking for all those useless features. And god forbid they run out features to ask for, because then they start asking for architecture v2.0 projects.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by danaris on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:08AM (#50482993)
This is the same as what's been happening with entire industries: Build for the critical path. Eliminate redundancies. Eliminate resiliency. Lean staffing. Just-in-time manufacturing. Single-vendor mandates.

In the name of efficiency and profit, we have stripped away all the safeguards that should prevent cascading failures after the first domino falls. Anything that doesn't return profit now, today, every day, must be purged. Because what if that domino never falls? Then you wasted your money! Think how much you can save if you don't need to make backups! (And every dollar saved is a dollar in my pocket!) Etc.

And torben-friis is right: the only solution to this, demonstrably, is regulation. Require multiple vendors for every major component. Require staffing sufficient to cover a third the company being on vacation. Require resilient systems, that can take a single disaster and keep on trucking, because they are the backbone of our economy.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by NetMageSCW on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:47PM (#50488729)
Regulation will just make a bad situation worse- complicated things rarely get good regulation.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by UltraSane on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:06PM (#50477641)
The best defense against cascading failures is limiting the blast radius, which is something AWS seems to do well but Azure does not.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by dboreham on Thursday November 12, 2026 @11:27PM (#50478331)
From this we can tell where Jim Roskind works.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by sire-vc on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:44AM (#50482138)
How did that AWS DNS incident go recently? Unplanned outages are unfortunate but common, and hubris is the problem when everyone assumes that they (or their pet vendor) are immune.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by venzaspa on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:00AM (#50482278)
Exchange Online and Microsoft 365 in general doesn't run on Azure.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by rimliu on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:16AM (#50481171)
so, Bedlam 4?
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by CWuestefeld on Friday November 13, 2026 @09:44AM (#50484258)
We learned the hard way that there's a very non-obvious inflection point in large distributed systems, where the your design needs to change from accommodating load resiliently via queueing, auto scaling, and such, to a posture of actively scaling back certain features and even shedding load when in a defensive situation.

It's really not intuitive, and at least for me, the need to admit that we couldn't just comp-sci our way out of some conditions was painful.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by burningChrome on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:44PM (#50475471)
This sounds suspiciously what occurred when I was working at a large motor sports company. We had a major release of new year models coming out on the website. The deployment went super smooth and then in about 30 mins the site was crashing. Since we were a huge MS client, almost everything we ran was all MS top to bottom.

Site was taken offline, war rooms ensued. 48 hours later, an Ops team from Redmond was flown out. Another three days and they determined it was several legacy servers were going down and the load balancing servers were getting hit so hard, they also failed. It was a cascading effect that killed everything.

CIO was pissed. The company got absolutely lit up on every social media channel for their ineptitude. The CIO vowed it would never happen again, they were upgrading the entire network and infrastructure to avoid it happening again. Fast forward six months to the next major release. Same thing, same panic, same cascading failures because servers were collapsing under the traffic to the website. Another war room, another Ops team flies out. Two days later they figured out it was some buggy code that was causing it.

This after 8 rounds of load balancing testing to the tune of 10X the amount of traffic the site sees on these major release dates without so much as a hiccup.

I left two months later, but the overall feeling was the same - total amateur hour from Microsoft after our company was gifted major discounts to go all in with their hardware & network gear. The company found out the hard way it wasn't a smart decision.

The scary part was this some 20 years ago - seems like not much has changed considering how frequently Github is down now too.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by mminer237 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:02PM (#50475672)
Newest update says that wasn't the issue after all. They say relatively small loads are actually causing servers to become unresponsive and have to be restarted.

They still don't know why this "core process" is maxing out the processor for no reason.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by SoftTalker on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:16PM (#50477237)
I'd start with "what has changed" but surely they've looked at that.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by jamesfinlayson on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:26AM (#50478733)
Could be something adjacent - the last time I majorly blew up a release was because something had changed (which was fine) but it caused a list of items to be broken over two pages, but only in prod. Me and a team mate were scratching our heads for the longest time because "what had changed" was quite mundane itself.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by sire-vc on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:46AM (#50482153)
The classic 'database is smaller in testing than in prod' problem which is responsible for some outages IME. Often the 'query was not optimised but that didn't show until prod' one.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by NetMageSCW on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:00PM (#50488862)
They did look at recent changes but none seemed to be related, but it turned out recent network changes triggered a failure mode in a much older network change. Dependent or cascading issues remain hard to diagnose or find.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by waz0wski on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:49PM (#50478012)
There was an article posted here on HN by a former MS / Azure person that described the dumpster fire - what's going on today doesn't surprise me at all

https://isolveproblems.substack.com/p/how-microsoft-vaporize...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47616242

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Anon1096 on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:08AM (#50478614)
Azure is still humming along working fine.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by NoPicklez on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:39PM (#50476017)
I can't stand it when I see armchair analysts making claims like this.

I'm sure it's more complicated than that.... but from my POV, which is extremely limited and informed by what others online tell me.... that this is amateur hour

What would it take for it to be professional hour?

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday November 12, 2026 @10:00PM (#50477591)
Professional hour would be invisible. Outages don't happen because they were anticipated and prevented.

You can't do much to work around nuclear war or a major asteroid strike, but keeping important things working under normal operating conditions should not be a high bar.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by no-dr-onboard on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:47PM (#50474034)
This is like getting transmissions from Cassini before it falls into saturn.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by hammock on Thursday November 12, 2026 @05:35PM (#50475362)
Why is there not a single mention that this could be a cyberattack? Is the issue only affecting the USA?
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by lazyasciiart on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:15PM (#50475790)
No, my family is in Europe and Australia and also seeing it.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by skygazer on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:46PM (#50477450)
I can connect to US account services, but while first VPNing through France, rather than directly from US.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by elmo2you on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:17PM (#50475805)
Nope. Europe (eastern) for sure included too.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Angostura on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:57PM (#50476200)
UK seeing it
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by evandrofisico on Thursday November 12, 2026 @07:58PM (#50476722)
Brazil too
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by xarope on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:04PM (#50477154)
I work for a global company, it's affecting every single of our 50+ offices world through US, Europe, Asia, Middle East, etc.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by outworlder on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:36PM (#50475987)
Because there's no indications that it is the case, at least for the time being.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by testrun on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:44PM (#50476066)
Australia affected as well.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Prickle on Thursday November 12, 2026 @07:23PM (#50476444)
Japan is also seeing the issue. It is probably a global issue.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by colechristensen on Thursday November 12, 2026 @07:28PM (#50476486)
It doesn't look like a cyberattack at all, talking about fixing health checks and the like looks much more like broken automation.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by King-Aaron on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:00PM (#50476735)
Impacting us here in Australia, our company is having fun today.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by gosub100 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:48PM (#50477058)
Don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Exmoor on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:54PM (#50477095)
> Don't attribute to malice that which can be explained by DNS.

Perhaps more accurate in our world.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by pasc1878 on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:51AM (#50481617)
How would that help.

The issue now is fixing this so status of what happens is needed and not how it happened in the first place.

The cause will ans should only be published when the issue is fixed and reviewed.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by ijustlovemath on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:55AM (#50483550)
Or a training run gone awry?
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by razingeden on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:55PM (#50477533)
Cortana, play My Heart Will Go - oh.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by truekonrads on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:27AM (#50480136)
This thread is now complete. We can all go home now.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Eji1700 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:03PM (#50475683)
Day 12: It has been 3 days since the last ping returned, I fear I will not make it back to my family. Give my love to dear Liza.

I feel for those stuck in there. The outage going on for this long has got to be fucking brutal.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by tclancy on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:01AM (#50478565)
Why do you think this is a problem for Eliza?
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by Eji1700 on Friday November 13, 2026 @01:06AM (#50479009)
She uses outlook.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by gambiting on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:33AM (#50479670)
The astronauts going to the moon reporting "we have two outlooks on the laptop here and neither work" will be funny for decades from now.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by dlcarrier on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:58AM (#50480390)
I though she communicated through RF emissions from CRTs and other monitors.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by EvanAnderson on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:08PM (#50475736)
This is is the first update since the outage began that feels hopeful.

From the 11:06:31 PM UTC update:

Current status: We've begun returning a portion of the affected servers to service, and they're remaining stable so far. We've also shifted traffic and connections to alternative pathways wherever possible and have observed limited recovery in some regions.

We've streamlined our recovery process to expedite returning the remaining affected servers to service. To further support recovery, we're implementing protective traffic management measures in a specific location to reduce load on the affected infrastructure, and we'll expand these measures to additional locations if we observe positive results. As capacity is restored, users may experience a gradual recovery as their clients reconnect to the service.

Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by SubiculumCode on Thursday November 12, 2026 @08:05PM (#50476763)
Gonna have to rebrand as Office364
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by jwilcoxson on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:33PM (#50477366)
Well done sir
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by jiggawatts on Thursday November 12, 2026 @09:58PM (#50477579)
We already call it Microsoft 356.
Re:Outlook is down, and so is Microsoft's status page by indigodaddy on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:49AM (#50478875)
So just reboot shit