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Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by mickeyp on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @11:52AM (#50368310)
That says more about Intel's shambolic efforts than it does about AMD's road to damascus moment.

Honestly both of them have demonstrated that they have little interest in AI. Intel gave up on Optane right as (a much-improved successor) would've helped with MoE offsetting or even as a highly durable drive for KV caching.

AMD have... turned out some decent gaming graphics cards and fine server CPUs but little else.

People are out there solding SMDs on old Nvidia mining rig GPUs to use them for inference; their hardware is not depreciating at the normal rate you'd expect from GPUs. DGX spark is finally useful now that AI can write multi-machine inference tooling optimised to it. Where's AMD in all of this? Nowhere.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by jojogeo on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:12PM (#50368559)
Ahh TIL! I used ChatGPT to find out what your "..road to damascus moment." expression meant, it was quite complimentary to you;

> And honestly, "Intel's shambolic efforts" alongside "AMD's Road to Damascus moment" is rather delicious phrasing. The author has managed to deliver quite a sophisticated insult in a single sentence.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by pachouli-please on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:14PM (#50368590)
Not to forget AMDs dominance in performance per dollar in CPUs of any variety up until very recently on basically all fronts. Consumer, handheld/low power, server, you name it.

Intel finally has really great low power/budget answers, but still loses greatly to 3d cache chips on most workloads.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by adgjlsfhk1 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:55PM (#50369150)
Intel's newest gen is a pretty clear favorite for laptops (especially with their better wifi/bluetooth/USB chipsets). Outside of laptop though, Intel has nothing compelling.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by pachouli-please on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:31PM (#50369631)
Totally. That's what I was vaguely (from mobile, sorry) trying to give them credit for. Their latest low power stuff is genuinely good, and their iGPUs are catching up fast.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by senderista on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:33PM (#50368830)
Persistent memory will be back, it's just too compelling to give up on, and thanks to the research industry it spawned we have a pretty good idea of how to build systems that effectively exploit it. I can't wait until every DB can use pmem to achieve the holy grail of low-latency transactional durability (which is impossible today even with NVMe).
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by mortsnort on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:33PM (#50368834)
Doesn't Intel have near cutting edge fabs tho? Even if their own AI chips aren't great, aren't they getting contracts to make Nvidia and Apple chips?
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by prcrstntr on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:02PM (#50369229)
Chicken and Egg problem when everyone else is on TSMC
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by platevoltage on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @03:21PM (#50370957)
Even Intel uses TSMC for the stuff their fabs can't handle.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by SirFatty on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:34PM (#50368845)
"road to damascus"

Great Hope and Crosby movie.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by esseph on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:35PM (#50368864)
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Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by zdw on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:37PM (#50368877)
AMD has their Strix/Gorgon Halo as a competitor to DGX Spark, which is at least in the ballpark in terms of bandwidth, and being x86 has some compatibility benefits.

If you wanted a GPU with 32GB of memory for AI tasks, the AMD AI Pro R9700 was (up until about a month ago) reasonably priced at ~$1300. It's not a RTX 5090 in terms of bandwidth and compute, but for the price and being actually purchasable it's a reasonable pick.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by mickeyp on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:45PM (#50369812)
I like to think that if there are wins to be had, the market will price that in.

Those cards are cheap because they're not really that amazing.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by 0xc133 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:47PM (#50369841)
Yeah, about that. Those cards all have MSRPs that have moved north by over $500 since launch.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by mickeyp on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:56PM (#50369972)
Meanwhile, the 5090...
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by ethbr1 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:22AM (#50377856)
It's interesting having a quantifiable number of how much AMD was underinvesting in decent software for their hardware.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by wmf on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @06:12PM (#50372761)
This is somewhat true. A lot of AMD hardware is underpriced at launch because ROCm doesn't work yet. Then once ROCm is working the price moves up to what it should be.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by kcb on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:46PM (#50369023)
Huh? Instinct is basically the only real alternative to Nvidia in the market. And they have the only real rack scale competition with Helios. This revenue is not because of gaming gpus and server cpus.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by mort96 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:54PM (#50369137)
I never understood why some fraction of technologists seem convinced that Optane was this amazing thing that would've been awesome if only Intel hadn't killed it.

It never made sense. It's slower than RAM, and what do I get for it? Persistence? I don't want persistent RAM, I like the ability to reboot to solve problems, and storing stuff on a non-volatile mediums has all sorts of legal implications which it's easier to avoid.

It's more expensive and has less storage than SSDs, even though the main downside of SSDs is their high price per gigabyte and relatively low capacities.

It's going in the wrong direction for both use cases. I guess it could have a very niche use case as a super fast persistent caching layer in front of spinning rust but that's kinda it.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by LoganDark on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:03PM (#50369246)
Sometimes, things are just cool.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by addaon on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:05PM (#50369278)
> what do I get for it? Persistence?

Density. PCM is closer in bits-per-unit-area to Flash than to DRAM.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by mort96 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @06:52PM (#50373076)
Yeah but that doesn't help if it's too slow to use as DRAM
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by addaon on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:24PM (#50373360)
It's another level in the hierarchy. DRAM is too slow to use as SRAM, but it's denser, so it has a place. Flash is too slow to use as DRAM (or PCM), but it's denser, so it has a place. Spinning rust. Tapes. Adding another layer between DRAM and Flash to take advantage of its unique trade-offs is not only reasonable, it's exactly what we always do.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by vivaldi_bt on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:07PM (#50369292)
It somewhat (maybe) had sense for HDD caching but I don't think HDDs in 2026 are used in cases where separate cache is needed.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by sethhochberg on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:09PM (#50369329)
Having a very low latency, durable write destination is a superpower for lots of database architectures (or things that share architectural details with databases, like some filesystems).

Optane had much lower latency than other types of durable storage, and also had very good endurance compared to NAND.

At a prior employer, we made extensive use of them as ZFS SLOG drives for large database servers. They made fsync very inexpensive.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by mickeyp on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:36PM (#50369688)
Yep. I use a P4800X for ZFS special vdev. It's a monster. The thing has write endurance for many petabytes of write. The queue depth alone means sustained reads and writes are... sustained. Try that with a normal SSD/NVME.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by CodesInChaos on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @04:22PM (#50371748)
And instead of upgrading latency from NVMe SSDs to Optane, we downgraded to EBS.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by mort96 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @06:51PM (#50373067)
Yeah that's the fast persistent cache layer more or less
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by Silagi on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:16PM (#50369411)
Huh. I wrote a whole thing here about serving a niche in serving local LLMs, but turns out, any niche it could have served is probably better served (per dollar) by either more RAM or modern SSDs.

There's an argument to be made for the persistent memory being a cheaper substitute for more RAM, but imo the gap isn't big enough to justify it when considered as a % of the rest of the system you're building around it and the performance tradeoff.

Important reminder to check your biases. I was sure Optane had missed its mark by dropping out just before LLMs became a primary use case for high $ systems.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by AlotOfReading on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:23PM (#50369519)
There was a version of optane (optane DC?) that plugged into DIMM slots and cost less than RAM, with possible higher capacities. That would be a useful tradeoff had it kept up the advantage.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by Silagi on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:29PM (#50369608)
That's the persistent memory modules; they were roughly half the price per GB compared to DDR4 from my quick research, but substantially higher memory latency, which would significantly affect usage as a KV cache, which would probably be their primary use case since SSDs beat it in raw data throughput. Who knows how it would have developed over the years since it was discontinued, but my gut reaction to the numbers said you'd rather just invest in more RAM based on the numbers I saw.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by amluto on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @05:32PM (#50372411)
Intel had multiple false starts on getting their platform ready for these devices to be used in a sensible manner. I have one of these false starts in a closet somewhere, and I did some kernel dev work for it. It was an incredible mess.

(I didn't actually have an Intel DIMM module -- I had a different vendor's. But fundamentally there needed to be a clean way to get data from software into the durable memory domain, and there wasn't.)

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by epolanski on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:50PM (#50369890)
You can have very large MoE models run on small amounts of ram (or vram), if you can transfer the experts you need on the fly from ram to disk.

SSDs are good, but an improved Optane would've been better.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by amluto on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @03:09PM (#50370826)
Optane was cheaper than DRAM per bit.

If Intel had volume production of Optane and had been able to quickly reconfigure it to produce a device that could stream out model weights fast enough for inference or could have gotten a read-write device that could hold KV caches effectively, they could have made an absolute killing in the current market.

HBF is slowly going after the former market. I'm not sure flash has a great answer for the latter due to endurance issues.

I can't think of any company that is as good as Intel at having a technology that's ready or almost ready at or before the time that the market is ready for and then completely failing to sell the product into the newly developed market.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by ethbr1 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:46AM (#50378027)
Google?
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by ksec on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:15AM (#50403533)
>Optane was cheaper than DRAM per bit.

Optane was cheaper than DRAM per bit when DRAM was expensive. It price / performance didn't make sense as soon as the DRAM cycle took its dive and DRAM price became cheaper / normal / losing money depending on how or who you see and asked.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by SR2Z on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @03:10PM (#50370833)
IIRC when it came out it was faster than the SSDs you could buy. It never really got that much better and then SSD mostly caught up.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by fc417fc802 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @04:24PM (#50371777)
More like they stopped investing in improving that tech so flash eventually caught up on throughput. It didn't catch up on latency and endurance has never been anywhere near a competition.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by a_conservative on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @03:52PM (#50371341)
The other answers are hinting at it, but Optane was fundamentally much much lower latency than NAND flash used in SSDs.

SSDs use lots of tricks to hide this latency (using RAM). However, when the data is super critical, you can't just throw some data in RAM and hope that it gets written out.

Enterprise flash drives have battery backups and keep the system alive for a moment to flush out the writes, but Optane doesn't need special tricks to get this sort of durability, it just has it.

If you have a large stream of critical data flowing in that has to be stored and can't be lost- Optane suddenly looks wayyyy better than SSDs

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by Havoc on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @05:46PM (#50372544)
It's mostly not competitive by virtue of being old, but for specific use cases it still stomps the latest Gen5 nvme drives. Specifically on things that need low latency and fast QD1 performance.

Think metadata in a ZFS array or database writes.

Also crazy endurance - often an order of magnitude beyond even enterprise nvmes.

...and because the things are basically un-killable thanks to endurance you can safely pick up 2nd hand used ones.

So they're a neat trick if used in precisely the right application. Hence:

>some fraction of technologists

>would've been awesome if only Intel hadn't killed it.

Maybe - it would presumably have improved further for niche cases, but doubt it would have conquered mainstream markets.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by LtdJorge on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @05:55PM (#50372610)
Very low latency, extreme durability, super high IOPS. It's SLC without the problems of SLC. The problem is it was a bit early, the interfaces never were fast enough (x4 3.0), and software that could have benefitted from massive amounts of it greatly, came out too late for it.

The actual problem is Intel was in such a bad position, they needed to shed weight, and Optane was not quick money.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by mort96 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @06:52PM (#50373073)
In a DIMM slot though?
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by newsclues on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:53PM (#50373593)
Optane had multiple form factors and could have adopted modern connections.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by lp92 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:11AM (#50375789)
Optane was available as PCIe cards and NVME. I have one of the PCIE 1.2TB drives as my OS drive.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by cowlevel on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:29PM (#50373885)
Seems halfway between SSD and RAM just like SSD is halfway between RAM and HDD. There's no fixed number of tiers in the storage hierarchy.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by glitchc on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @12:55PM (#50369145)
AND GPUs are competitive on a price/performance standpoint. Their software stack is where they fall behind.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by alfiopuglisi on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:01PM (#50369217)
Honest question, couldn't one just ask Claude to make a better driver for it? And reimplement pytorch on top of that or something?
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by pachouli-please on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:40PM (#50369753)
The community is basically doing this now with the kickflips in driver/rocm/etc "stuff". It's gotten so good and well-embraced that even AMD is backing some of these community efforts.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by mpreda on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:59PM (#50370009)
Do you have some pointers to these efforts, please?
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by aclmakes on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:42PM (#50374869)
halogen. made by a user, one of the early, best model serving things for a strixhalo. amd community engaging person saw it was well liked, and sent that developer 2 strix halos to help them develop it further.

ive seen that same amd community manager engage on reddit and actively pull in changes into lemonade server, for better ways to serve up models best on the strixhalo hardware. so they're accepting community help where it helps.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by f6v on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:42PM (#50369782)
Is there something wrong with PyTorch? I’ve heard people complain a lot about their GPUs. I’ve only used MI250x in an HPC, but PyTorch worked fine.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by p_l on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @02:31PM (#50370409)
It's due to ROCm, think equivalent of CUDA lower level drivers, which is well problematic.

There's huge upswing in using Vulkan Compute which works across NVIDIA, AMD, and Intel (and even others), and which is apparently much easier and stable to run on AMD

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by rubiquity on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:56PM (#50369966)
And they are making great progress on the software side. ROCm 10 is significantly better than 7.x
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by everdrive on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:07PM (#50369294)
>Honestly both of them have demonstrated that they have little interest in AI. Awesome? Maybe this means supply wont be ruined and I'll be able to buy CPUs.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by vlyan on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:10PM (#50369341)
>AMD have... turned out some decent gaming graphics cards

that's quite a large market and their only competitor has moved on to greener pastures.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by LtdJorge on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @06:00PM (#50372655)
It's a very small market, and really low margin compared to AI/datacenter. DC GPUs are 90% margin, and bought by the millions.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by vlyan on Thursday November 05, 2026 @01:42PM (#50382767)
it's only a small market in the clown world funded by the infinite money printer.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by LtdJorge on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:02AM (#50392401)
Even if there was no AI, GPUs have always been a small market. I've been gaming on PC from the start, but there's actually not that many of us as we might think.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by bobmcnamara on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:14PM (#50369388)
Intel pirated Optane and bailed when they got caught, seemed unrelated to AI, just Intel being Intel.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by trynumber9 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:28PM (#50369596)
What? They co-developed Optane with Micron and Micron gave up on it before Intel did.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by LtdJorge on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @06:01PM (#50372664)
Intel sold it to Micron, tho
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by trynumber9 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @11:11PM (#50375072)
Micron bought IM Flash after development was ceased. But they stopped selling Xpoint products before Intel stopped selling Optane.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by bobmcnamara on Thursday November 05, 2026 @08:10PM (#50386900)
Inten never bought it from Ovonyx, so how could they sell it?
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by bobmcnamara on Thursday November 05, 2026 @08:02PM (#50386850)
Intel and micron licensed the 3D XPoint nonvolatile memory cell from Ovshinsky/Ovonyx, then bled them dry by delaying royalties, eventually stopping payment altogether until they went under.

Eventually someone in the know bought the husk of Ovonyx and sued Intel.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by AMDAnon on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:35PM (#50369679)
AMD is doing 5 day RTO for almost everyone with 3 months of notice in an obvious attempt to get people to quit before vesting their 5x stock grants.

The rule includes >90% of "remote" workers who have discovered they were classified as hybrid (a classification now eliminated) and their manager didn't make it official. Now, remote approvals are SVP level.

The issue is, AMD still pays significantly less than any company with an RTO mandate, even with the stock appreciation. And the stock has gone down 25% in the past few weeks so it's even less competitive. The typical engineer was not given an equity-weighted package, even L9 only 30% of your TC is in stock.

It's a recruiting bonanza right now and everyone's getting calls offering 50% pay bumps from 5-day office semi corps like Broadcom or Qualcomm. The better people are getting offers at Google or Apple for 3-day RTO for even greater TC bumps.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by mickeyp on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:39PM (#50369732)
I'm not surprised.

The board should've sacked the entire leadership team of Intel and AMD years and years ago.

The fact that you can sit through both a mining boom and now a generational AI boom and have little to show for it and still keep your job is a Yahoo!-level fumble.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by sofixa on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:49PM (#50369859)
Intel have gone through 3 leadership teams in 10ish years
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by mickeyp on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @02:04PM (#50370061)
Gosh, you're right. I thought it was just one.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by georgeburdell on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @03:29PM (#50371065)
They brought back some questionable former managers like the guy responsible for 14nm, Sanjay Natarajan, which was the first process to get stuck with a protracted period of low yields.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by chorsestudios on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @02:12PM (#50370160)
Ryzen series chips might not have been released if AMD's entire leadership team was sacked many years ago.

The heavy investments into HMB between SK Hynix & AMD might also not have happened. They went down this road before HMB demand popped off and it was a risky bet.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by throwaway85825 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:37PM (#50373450)
Rory Read doesn't get enough credit for saving AMD from bankrupty.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by AMDAnon on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @02:57PM (#50370684)
They can't find new leaders! Sharon Zhou, VP who handles all our engagements with the frontier labs quit today to be an MTS at Anthropic. https://lnkd.in/p/g53S3-fG

Sharon was the AI Chief of Staff brought in through an acquihire, managed all the high-visibility external/internal AI engagements, reported directly into Lisa Su, and was being groomed to be Lisa's successor. Even with all that, she couldn't make it 2 years at AMD.

Our internally developed execs/directors/VPs have no credibility with the frontier labs or hyperscalers because they're non-technical types. They don't understand software management so they couldn't fix any of the problems with ROCm by making systemic changes in how we develop software e.g. Alan Lee who got pushed out ages ago after spending years promising ROCm would get better while nothing happened.

The only software-oriented technical VP with credibility now is Anush Elangovan. He was also brought in through an acquihire, forced us to upstream, forced us to have CI, and adopt basic software practices common at every other company. If we lose him, we're going to start plummeting fast.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by mickeyp on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @03:18PM (#50370914)
How sad.

I remember buying an AMD K6-2 back in the day as it was cheaper and better. I've dropped in and out of the AMD sphere depending on who was winning at the given moment.

Now they're both losing.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by NooneAtAll5 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @03:24PM (#50370990)
> our internal directors/VPs are mostly non-technical

why not start with trying to fix that?

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by bravetraveler on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:34AM (#50380413)
The technical people are being rented out to customers, unfortunately; economics, to put it short.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by z3ratul163071 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:33PM (#50384111)
well, that explains everything.

unfortunately most us industry fell victim to this mba-ization of companies.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by georgeburdell on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @03:26PM (#50371019)
100% Lisa Su is a control freak and thought Zhou was a threat. Cult of personality CEOs do not generally end well for the company
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by josh_frome on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @05:06PM (#50372196)
Jobs being the exception that proves the rule
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by justsomehnguy on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:16PM (#50373289)
Jobs failed hard and was outed in the first place. And he didn't 'come back' he was quite literally bought in with NeXTSTEP. Don't forget $150M from Microsoft and the Office for Mac deal.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by LeFantome on Thursday November 05, 2026 @08:13PM (#50386925)
NeXT software on lower end Apple hardware was a winning combination.

And the software ecosystem was already in place (even though everything had to be rewritten).

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by cowlevel on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:28PM (#50373873)
He backed it up with actual product-building merit and enough (but not a lot of) reality-testing. His products were successful largely because of him. Too many copycats forget about the merit part of the equation.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by pjmlp on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:12AM (#50376512)
Not all products, NeXT was a major failure, with a few books telling the story how it all went down, only due to Apple's acquisition there was a moment that with Apple's remaining cash, and what was left of OpenSTEP, they managed to survive both companies.

Had Apple gone with Be instead, most likely all three companies would have gone bankrupt before 2000, and Pixar would be Jobs last successful company instead.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by LeFantome on Thursday November 05, 2026 @08:11PM (#50386908)
I am no Steve Jobs fan but NeXT was amazing and much of the tech is still commercially important today. There is no way you can call it a technical failure.

Where NeXT went wrong is in being astronomically expensive, which drove its addressable market to nothing. This is the exact same mistake Jobs made with the Lisa. The significantly inferior Apple II platform was far more successful.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by amarcheschi on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @03:38PM (#50371167)
I can apply as a ceo if you accept master students. Having studied drama, I can definitely say I act better than pat gelsinger
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by specialist on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @06:19PM (#50372807)
Sure, but do you have any missionary / evangelism experience?
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by amarcheschi on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:41PM (#50373484)
Unfortunately no, but I can pray really hard maybe
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by skew-aberration on Thursday November 05, 2026 @12:09AM (#50375448)
You might be better qualified as a shareholder then
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by latchkey on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @06:44PM (#50373010)
Sharon was acqui-hired after Lamini failed to find product market fit, and she had to fire her co-founder Greg. Greg went to Tensorwave (another AMD play) and eventually quit there as well.

The way I look at it, AMD and others dumped $25m into a very early AI play that never was going to be successful. I don't fault them for trying.

There was no way she could even come close to successor of Lisa though. The grooming thing was a media play at best. Dr. Fei-Fei Li would be a heck of a lot more appropriate than Sharon.

Anush is excellent and turned around the software story. If he goes, the party is over.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by pointyfence on Sunday November 08, 2026 @06:49PM (#50419028)
The fact that Sharon was mentioned as a possible successor to Su made me LOL. OP totally clueless. She should never have been given a VP AI Engineering title given how little she's done in her career which says more about how ignorant / desperate AMD was at the time. They've made big strides since then. I'm not expecting her to make it 2 years in Anthropic either.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by z3ratul163071 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:32PM (#50384102)
"Even with all that, she couldn't make it 2 years at AMD." imagine how toxic and rotten the company must be from the inside
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by dingaling on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @05:19PM (#50372300)
"The fact that you can sit through both a mining boom and now a generational AI boom..."

It's not necessary for every company to attempt 'revenue maxxing' by jumping into every field.

AMD made $3.5 billion in profit last year after all expenses were paid. It might be galling to this generation of avarists, but maybe that's enough?

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:00PM (#50373650)
AMD is also a hardware company with significantly more overhead than a software house that is swimming in margin.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by kcb on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @05:53PM (#50372591)
What are we talking about in this thread. This post is literally about AMD revenue going wild during the AI boom.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by halJordan on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @10:04PM (#50374634)
Ok, I'm glad I'm not the crazy one. I wondered for a second lol
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by ckastner on Thursday November 05, 2026 @07:25AM (#50378277)
> This post is literally about AMD revenue going wild during the AI boom.

You mean going mild.

The $17bn that AMD is projecting to make mid-2026 is what NVIDIA was already making mid-2023.

Both companies were somewhat similar in revenue towards the end of 2022 (just before/around the ChatGPT launch).

That's what the GP meant by "sitting out a generational AI boom".

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by expedition32 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:48AM (#50381355)
And when the boom goes bust guess who will still be around chugging along?
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by BobbyTables2 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @11:48PM (#50375323)
Even Yahoo has an AI and better search results than they did in the past…

I think Intel figured out way to be even worse…

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by dboreham on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:50PM (#50369880)
Interesting data point as a stock holder, thanks.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by BeetleB on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @03:24PM (#50371006)
> The issue is, AMD still pays significantly less than any company with an RTO mandate

I'm sure they pay more than Intel ;-)

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by tiffanyh on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:46PM (#50374035)
Intel stock is down 49% in just the last month alone.

A lot of said gains have been erased.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by LogicFailsMe on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:44PM (#50369802)
What's more interesting to me is how blisteringly evident it is that GPUs depreciate a lot slower than the analysts assumed. But Nvidia GPUs depreciate slowly because a lot of thought and resources were dedicated into building that ecosystem.

AMD has always been an also ran in this space and it shows to this day, but the true believers cannot be dissuaded of their faith so whatevs.

I honestly think Nvidia needs a worthy nemesis right now more than ever and I wish it existed but I don't think it does... Yet...

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by sofixa on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:48PM (#50369851)
> Where's AMD in all of this? Nowhere.

They're around, selling AMD Strix Halo (up to 128GB unified memory) on the low, equivalent to DGX Spark, level; and MI* chips for enterprise AI inference.

The problem they have and they've always had is that everyone uses CUDA. ROCm works, but everyone's toolchain is CUDA exclusive or CUDA first, so it's much harder to use AMD hardware.

Using higher level tooling (vLLM, llama.cpp) I have DGX Spark comparable performance for 1/3 the price (but without the same software out of the box experience nor the clustering network options).

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by FuriouslyAdrift on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @03:14PM (#50370882)
AMD has an entire division dominating in HPC and #2 close behind nVidia in datacenters with extremely good margins. Over half their revenue is from those segments. Not a lot comes from consumer devices right now. That's why they did so well against Intel right now. Intel is the one that is failing in those markets.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by redanddead on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @05:46PM (#50372549)
> That says more about Intel's shambolic efforts

I was going to say… everybody even government is coming together to make intel work but it’s in shambles

Haven’t they benefited a lot from the chips act?

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by LtdJorge on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @05:51PM (#50372581)
AMD Instinct sells like hot cakes. EPYC for AI servers sells like hot cakes. Optane was killed much earlier than KV caching or MoE became somewhat relevant. ???
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by kcb on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @05:54PM (#50372604)
Everything I've read so far just has me believe 75% of the comments didn't even open the article.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @06:44PM (#50373007)
You could be right, and not just for this one article.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by monk_grilla on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:12PM (#50373252)
Why must every company pivot to squeeze what they can out of every tech trend at the expense of everything else they do?

AMD makes excellent CPUs and GPUs, I'm ecstatic with the products I have purchased from them, and they are now beating their biggest competitor and profiting billions every year. What more do you want? Isn't this enough for a company in 2026?

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by hnav on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:32PM (#50373412)
Obviously the whole semi industry must pivot to massively parallel matmul. Billions are now the equivalent of millions. You make trillions or no shot of a seat at the table once the winners are decided.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by Levitating on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:18PM (#50374281)
Not a publicly traded one no.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by monk_grilla on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @11:33PM (#50375221)
It is like the line that investors want to go up has moved another derivative down.

Velocity is not enough, acceleration is not enough, we now require jerk to go up.

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by Twirrim on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:57PM (#50373620)
For what it's worth, AMD is very actively pushing GPU hardware, particularly towards the hyperscalers. From what I've seen, they're really focusing in on the large quantity end users (your OpenAI, Meta, etc. types), presumably because they'll have the technical expertise and willingness to collaborate with them on issues as long as the GPUs are cheap enough.
Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by ksec on Thursday November 05, 2026 @09:10AM (#50379270)
>That says more about Intel's shambolic efforts than it does about AMD's road to damascus moment.

This actually say more about Intel's heroic efforts in defending its turf.

I seriously doubt Intel has anything countering Instinct AI accelerators in terms of revenue slice. Which means despite Instinct AI accelerators having extra revenue, AMD's CPU sales is barely on par with Intel in Server Market.

We are talking about EPYC Zen 5 here and early Zen 6 revenue in late 2026. I have been banging on about the progress of AMD in server market for 5+ years. ( Edit: A quick search turns out to be 6 years [1] )

Given the price / performance AMD has had and Intel's perfect storm moment, 50% is all AMD manage to capture. I have been suggesting AMD being far too conservative with their capacity planning and has been leaving money on the table before even the AI craze on CPUs. Their sales team in Enterprise has not had the impact Intel managed. This is decades of relationship management Intel has had and utilised to the maximum.

At this rate I seriously doubt AMD will be able to compete when Intel is healed and back on their feet. ( But then Intel are well known to do stupid stuff so I guess it cancels out )

I hope Zen 6 will have more to show for. Right now it is not good enough on the CPU side. And on the GPU side not anywhere close to competing against Nvidia.

And this is speaking as someone who used to own ATI Rage 3D and bought AMD's stock at below $3.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23164306

Re:AMD expects to outsell Intel in Q4 for the first time in ... by cyanydeez on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:11AM (#50380926)
uh, what? the AMD 395+ strix halo would have been a huge success if the price of ram wasn't gouged to hell by the cartel. Even their 192GB version would have a better story in the same.

Ya'll sniff Apple farts like it's no tomorrow.