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Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by dgfitz on Sunday February 04, 2024 @05:46PM (#39255316)
Of course this is 100% the correct reasoning.

When I was a broke college kid I pirated all the things, and at the time wished, when I could afford it, I’d rather just pay. When I could, I did, for years. Now we’re back at the path-of-least-resistance is pirating.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by eastbound on Sunday February 04, 2024 @05:57PM (#39255392)
But that means companies must sell for the marginal price of their website’s ergonomics, not for the marginal price of producing movies.

(Which is not a big loss, because I can’t imagine producing the Netflix knockoffs be a hundredth the price of a 007).

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by al_borland on Sunday February 04, 2024 @06:27PM (#39255605)
It’s not about an individual website, it’s about the industry. It’s not that Netflix, or any other service, is hard to use on its own. It’s the fragmentation of the content that makes it hard to use.

This was solved for with music where pretty much every service has pretty much every song. People don’t need multiple music services, they just pick the one that best fits their style and needs. This is what the movie and TV industry needs to do if they want to beat piracy. This is what they should have done 15 years ago. Their greed is hurting them more than it’s helping.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by jowea on Sunday February 04, 2024 @08:43PM (#39256377)
I wonder if mandating content licenses being non-exclusive and separating media distributors from producers would help.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by deaddodo on Sunday February 04, 2024 @08:47PM (#39256395)
This seems to be the most obvious solution, and is what solved the movie industry's greed back in the the studio system days. But, the industry will fight it tooth and nail, because they lose control and potential margins on it at the expense of the consumer.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by dehrmann on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:48PM (#39257081)
It's mostly working for music. Spotify and Apple aren't competing on their catalogs.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by Mindwipe on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:40AM (#39260119)
Spotify loses money (which is why they keep trying to do things that are not music to keep the company afloat), and while Apple doesn't split out Music it's fairly unlikely that is a profitable business either.

Music is literally a textbook example of why it doesn't work.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by Aeolun on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:48AM (#39260184)
Spotify can just raise prices by 50% and make money? If they tell me the choice is between Spotify disappearing and me paying more, the choice is extremely easy.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by Mindwipe on Tuesday February 06, 2024 @08:37AM (#39274031)
If Spotify raises prices they have to pay the vast majority of that out to labels still, it's all percentage models.

And they likely lose subscribers to they literally get poorer.

Spotify knows it's only way out is exclusive content, hence the Rogan deal et al.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by int_19h on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:57AM (#39393690)
Image we actually had a law like that.

Then Spotify would have to charge whatever they need to charge to remain profitable without exclusive content. And the labels would have to charge Spotify whatever they need to charge for Spotify to exist, because otherwise they wouldn't have anywhere to sell their content.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by baby_souffle on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:14PM (#39256525)
> It’s the fragmentation of the content that makes it hard to use.

I wish somebody could get all the media execs in a room and just deliver a simple message: "You can't compete on price; your competition is free. You must compete on experience if you're to compete at all."

With just a few hours worth of time and effort, it's possible to get a pretty sophisticated and automatic system set up that essentially makes getting a copy of a movie a literal one-click operation. You won't be able to watch it _right then_ as the find, download, process, import ... etc pipe takes time to run but at the end you'll have a high quality copy that will work on any device anywhere in the world.

Other than the immediacy, piracy is cheaper and less burdensome.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by TeMPOraL on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:20PM (#39257270)
> I wish somebody could get all the media execs in a room and just deliver a simple message: "You can't compete on price; your competition is free. You must compete on experience if you're to compete at all."

Unfortunately, there is the House of the Mouse, aka. Disney Legal Military Industrial Complex, and they don't let individuals or governments tell them what they can or can't compete on.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by internet101010 on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:57PM (#39256777)
Yeah that's what I have and I will never go back. I open one app for VOD content and one for audio content. The quality is often superior to the streaming platforms for movies.

Not having to care about which platform something is on is so nice.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by izacus on Monday February 05, 2024 @03:45AM (#39258769)
They did... and the execs ordered everyone from OS, hardware to software companies to add more DRM instead.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by data-ottawa on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:14PM (#39256885)
I had Prime Video, and when searching for content I would get told to subscribe to some channel within Prime. Now Crave (in Canada) does the same thing. Netflix doesn't bother integrating with Apple TV's search or aggregation features to try and drive you into the app.

The end result is searching for legitimate content is a terrible experience. If it's a result from Prime, I just pass. If it's from Crave, I pass. If it's on Netflix, I don't see anything at all.

At least a decade ago streaming boxes had one search box and it would return results from all the sources, and if it appeared you knew you could watch it.

What the streamers provide today is a significantly worse experience than piracy, and I don't know how they haven't realized this.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by inversetelecine on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:28PM (#39256963)
And now prime wants another $2.99 to stream without ads. Something I had previously included. Nickle and diming also drives customers away.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by midasuni on Monday February 05, 2024 @01:42AM (#39258053)
Drove me away. Increasing the price on my yearly renewal wouldn’t have been noticed. Sending me adverts means Amazon have lost out on far more than my cancelled prime subscription - I haven’t bought anything from them, and that’s over $100 a month revenue lost.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by Aeolun on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:45AM (#39260165)
You can make the ads go away by paying more? How? Seeing ads on my paid for service is driving me absolutely crazy.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by fragmede on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:10AM (#39259375)
If HBO and all the other content houses would all go to Netflix and say we'll close down our streaming service and license you all our content, and take our share of a household $60/month, everyone would all make more money, but there's negative infinity chance of that happening; on top of Netflix making their own content, so what's the way forwards? He government could step in and say that online distribution platforms can't also make their own non-self-marketing content, but there's also zero chance of that happening either, so it's a tragedy of commons until someone goes bankrupt, and it's not OnlyFans that's going to be the content farm to fail here, so someones is going to have to buy everyone else until the DoJ gets involved for antitrust reasons, and then we're left with two subscription services (US consumers aren't properly able to count higher than that. Apple vs Google, Democrats vs Republicans, McDonald's vs Burger King, CVS vs Walgreens, AT&T vs Verizon, etc)
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by AnthonyMouse on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:37AM (#39259586)
> McDonald's vs Burger King

Yum! Brands (KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, etc.) is slightly larger than Restaurant Brands International (Burger King). McDonald's is larger than both of them put together. Or if you want brands rather than corporations, there are a zillion burger chains.

> CVS vs Walgreens

Rite Aid and Walmart, among others.

> AT&T vs Verizon

The US wireless carrier with the largest market cap is T-Mobile, with only slightly fewer users than Verizon. There are also many smaller ones.

> Democrats vs Republicans

This isn't a result of consumer preferences, it's a result of the first past the post voting system creating a powerful incentive for the most similar parties to merge until there are only two left. (Score voting fixes this.)

> Apple vs Google

This is the only real market duopoly here, and it's the one they have to worry about.

Either they can license their content to multiple services so it's convenient for customers to subscribe to one service and get everything, or those two companies will eventually figure out a way to get the same effect and most likely end up sucking in 30% of their industry's revenue in the process.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by Izkata on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:23PM (#39268597)
> If HBO and all the other content houses would all go to Netflix and say we'll close down our streaming service and license you all our content, and take our share of a household $60/month, everyone would all make more money

That's how it used to work. They all started making their own platforms and pulling content off of Netflix because they thought they could get the same numbers as Netflix and keep all the payments instead of whatever slice Netflix was giving them.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by vineyardmike on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:11PM (#39257211)
Let’s not forget that “music solved this” ignores the fact that Spotify is not profitable, and may never be due to the record labels cut. Apple Music, Amazon Music and YouTube Music may or may not be profitable but are undoubtedly subsidized by their corporate parents.

Not sure if Tidal is profitable but they aren’t popular and are much more expensive than people are generally willing to spend. It’s also potentially subsidized by a corporate parent.

There’s also a trail of unprofitable or tiny businesses like SoundCloud and Bandcamp that may or may not survive quarter to quarter.

It’s not a solved problem.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by shzhdbi09gv8ioi on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:47PM (#39257461)
> Spotify is not profitable

Their stock value doubled in the last year

Their CEO Daniel Ek is worth 3.7 billion dollar.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by TheCapeGreek on Monday February 05, 2024 @12:30AM (#39257680)
Both of those numbers are not profit numbers.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by roenxi on Monday February 05, 2024 @02:29AM (#39258297)
I wouldn't want to be involved in a company that isn't turning a profit.

But, in fairness, this is an industry that is adjacent to Hollywood. It is conceivable that they have some sort of weird profit-laundering scheme going to make sure not too much of the money goes back to the artists or something.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by vineyardmike on Monday February 05, 2024 @02:53AM (#39258423)
Profit and loss can be accounting fiction when needed (eg Amazon), but I think Spotify has the cartel curse. No matter how much money they make, it’s too easy for the labels to see the public finances of Spotify and decide they want to raise the price of licensing. Furthermore, the more people use Spotify, the less profitable the subscription becomes.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by Izkata on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:07PM (#39268983)
Sounds more like they're riding the line and do sometimes make a profit:

> The company posted a third-quarter operating income of 32 million euros ($34.1 million), its first quarterly profit since 2021, helped by a higher gross margin and lower marketing and personnel costs.

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/spotifys-user...

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by acdha on Sunday February 04, 2024 @07:11PM (#39255889)
I’m not sure it has to be exclusive: some people are inveterate freeloaders but most of us understand that the artists have to get paid.

The problem feels a lot like the situation MoviePass worked themselves into where they priced it unsustainably low but cheap money allowed that to run long enough to train a generation of customers that their content was only worth that much. I imagine Netflix would dearly love to say that your subscription includes a certain number of movies but you can add on more, or that there’s a premium tier, etc. but there isn’t an easy way to try something like that now that everyone is used to the current model.

The other side of the problem is that studios really don’t want market pricing. Subscriptions are banking on the idea that you’ll still pay $12/month and find something else to watch even if the big series/movie they’re promoting isn’t very good, and they’re keeping the prices for rentals really high which makes means people are often looking at 1-2 months of streaming charges for a single movie rental.

The combination of the two seems likely to make a lot of people pirating for years to come. Most people do not want to juggle multiple services and if they’ve learned how to pirate anything once it’s always going to be there the next time someone jacks up prices or plays games with availability. I think that’s going to last until someone has the courage to let services like YouTube or AppleTV offer rentals of everything at reasonable prices.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by Geisterde on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:17PM (#39256549)
Which could be rapidly eclipsed, my synology nas is capable of following RSS feeds for new content, torrenting that content, and serving that content through my plex with audio options, subtitles, descriptions, cover art, ratings, age restrictions etc. (All behind a vpn of course)

If I invested a weekend (4 days, maybe 2-3 weekends...) I could probably figure it out, and never ever ever again deal with the BS streaming services. It takes one person pissed off that they missed Ozark and that will be 1 click install, game on, open source tech only ever moves forward, its antifragile, unlike any individual business.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by prepend on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:39PM (#39256680)
You need to invest about 10 minutes. It’s not complicated at all and makes a much better experience.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by hedora on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:14PM (#39256882)
Setting it up properly probably takes a day or so.

Which HDDs should you put in the synology (or are there SSDs that make more sense; need to check $/GB…)? Which VPN service makes the most sense? Which RSS thingy is as good as Prime, Netflix, HBO, etc, etc, combined?

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by fragmede on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:13AM (#39259395)
Only if you over-optimize and get decision paralysis. Perfect is the enemy of the good. Cheapest is the enemy of actually-have-it-and-working.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by prepend on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:38AM (#39260103)
Good point. I assumed the synology was already set up as a NAS.

That takes a while.

Setting up the rss is just minutes.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by pdimitar on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:34AM (#39260075)
Are there good step-by-step guides? I am on the fence but researching this seems exhausting so far.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by Aeolun on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:52AM (#39260220)
There’s a whole ream of linuxserver docker images in the sonarr family that you can run on one machine. I’m sure someone made a docker-compose somewhere.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by HumblyTossed on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:21PM (#39256576)
So pay for several services and then pirate the content because it’s just more convenient. Best of both worlds. You’ve paid and you get the content in the form(s) you need.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by humpydumpy on Monday February 05, 2024 @10:47AM (#39262355)
and you have finanically supported services that offer shitty usability
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by HumblyTossed on Monday February 05, 2024 @11:41AM (#39263183)
It's going to be shitty if I pay or not. Probably even shittier if I don't pay. Either way, I've solutioned around that problem.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by doctorpangloss on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:22PM (#39257290)
> But that means companies must sell for the marginal price of their website’s ergonomics, not for the marginal price of producing movies.

But that means companies must also realize the tech industry is a really bad business for 99% of companies in it.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by lupusreal on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:51AM (#39259697)
The movie industry is enormously wasteful, they could easily make the same movies with 10x less money if they cut out a fraction of their waste and corruption.

Anyway, it's not my problem. It's their problem.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by kylebenzle on Sunday February 04, 2024 @06:28PM (#39255615)
This is HACKER news, our central ethos is (should be) all information wants to be free. Sad to see the desire to pay for content is getting upvoted.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by lolinder on Sunday February 04, 2024 @06:45PM (#39255722)
This is "Hacker" news for a bunch of independent definitions of "Hacker", and for most of us the definition isn't "breaks into computer systems and leaks stuff on the internet".

For myself, when I think of the hacker ethos I think of Stallman and the GPL, which is explicitly designed around the idea that information can be ethically sold as long as you're actually selling it [0]. It's free as in freedom, not free as in beer, and under that philosophy being able to pay for services that respect your rights as a free human (which most current streaming services don't) is a desirable end state, not something to be condemned.

> Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU Project is that you should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that you should charge as little as possible—just enough to cover the cost. This is a misunderstanding.

> Actually, we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can. If a license does not permit users to make copies and sell them, it is a nonfree license. If this seems surprising to you, please read on.

[0] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by defrost on Sunday February 04, 2024 @06:58PM (#39255803)
This is the ballpit sandbox forum for YCombinator, a club for software startup investment fund managers who can quote from the Tibetian Book of the Dead.

The lesson here is that attrition and shrinkage will always be with us, it's only the rate that varies in market accordance with the enshittification of product.

The 'better' the product, the lower the shrinkage.

As supported by a majority of thread comments "I used to pirate when I was poor, then I didn't - now I do again as the commercial offering sucks".

[attribution] https://thebillionscompanion.net/all/tag/Tibetan+Book+of+the...

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by int_19h on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:59AM (#39393707)
I distinctly recall Stallman himself saying that copyleft wouldn't really be necessary if copyright weren't a thing.

In any case, hacking as a concept predates Stallman and FSF - indeed, they're the product of that mindset, not its originators. And the original hackers didn't care about copyright - just look at the early history of Unix.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by dgfitz on Sunday February 04, 2024 @07:27PM (#39255998)
I’ve never equated “hacker == free” ever. In that save vein, no, all information should NOT be free.

I sincerely reject your entire premise.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by orwin on Sunday February 04, 2024 @07:39PM (#39256075)
I think information should be free as in freedom, but have a cost that should be paid (in time, money...), is this a better for you? (I disagree with GP BTW).
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by dgfitz on Sunday February 04, 2024 @08:42PM (#39256366)
Many hearts, I am the GP.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by nkurz on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:09PM (#39257202)
Others use it differently, but I think he was using "GP" to mean "grandparent", as in the comment you would get to if you clicked on "parent" twice starting at his comment. In that system, you would be the "OP", not the "GP", although this too is not fully standardized.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by scotty79 on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:21PM (#39256579)
Information wants to be free. What people want is irrelevant. Trying to force information to be not free goes against the nature of information. You can try but it costs all of us.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by xboxnolifes on Sunday February 04, 2024 @07:30PM (#39256017)
Free as in libre, I agree. Free as in beer, I do not. The marginal cost of copying information may approach zero, but that's only relevant after the costs of creation are covered.

The problem is: how does one make something "free as in libre" without affecting the "not free as in beer".

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by elzbardico on Sunday February 04, 2024 @08:10PM (#39256214)
This is not 1999's Slashdot my friend.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by hooverd on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:15PM (#39256531)
YC is the man now dawg.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by echelon on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:23PM (#39256589)
> all information wants to be free

Including your personal information, browsing habits, purchase history, genome, genetic disorders, medical history, sexual partners, kinks, embarrassing photos and videos, moments of social faux pas, biggest fears, darkest secrets, cheating, illegal behaviors, personal psychiatrist notes, privileged lawyer information, passwords, private keys, bitcoin keys, financial statements, tax records, debts, etc. ?

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by kalleboo on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:27AM (#39259503)
Yes, going by how easily that stuff all ends us being leaked, it very much appears like that information is desperate to be free. Keeping it tied down is difficult work.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by sdiupIGPWEfh on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:24AM (#39260481)
Based on the frequency of data leaks and such, very much yes, that information tends toward finding freedom. Attempts to secure such records are necessary because they "want" to be free. Avoid leaving a trail of that information where you can, and keep as much as possible off the internet.

The notion of "information wants to be free" should be taken as an observation about the nature of things and the folly of corporations trying to have it both ways—information made broadly available yet on their exact terms—not as a value statement on any inherent goodness behind freeing information.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by paulddraper on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:27PM (#39256615)
"hacker" = "free information"

??

I've never heard that definition.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by worthless-trash on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:06PM (#39257178)
Not OP, but this spawned from Woz mentioning this on a video ( https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/video/at-the-first-hackers... ) in the hackers conference.

You may be too young (not an insult) or in a different geography to have been seen this, however it was definitely a thing.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by kalleboo on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:28AM (#39259517)
The irony of this being hosted on Getty Images is not lost on me
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by topkai22 on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:27PM (#39256616)
Its revisiting the origin of that phrase, which

“On the one hand you have—the point you’re making Woz—is that information sort of wants to be expensive because it is so valuable—the right information in the right place just changes your life. On the other hand, information almost wants to be free because the costs of getting it out is getting lower and lower all of the time. So you have these two things fighting against each other.”

I find this to be a much more intelligent formulation of the concept, as it recognizes the reasons and the tension.

We simply can’t get much of the media I like for free (gratis). That being said, it is maddening to have so much great content locked up. It feels insanely inefficient and that we produce far too much content unnecessarily.

There are probably ways to balance this better- separation of content ownership, production, and distribution; more limits on copyright length; mandatory content licensing; simplification of older content license rules…

That doesn’t mean it’s morally wrong to pay for content or put restrictions on distribution, just that optimum probably isn’t where we are.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by usefulcat on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:43PM (#39257053)
If you're going to argue that "hackers" are wrong/dumb/whatever for desiring that content creators be fairly compensated for their work, by all means go ahead, but you're definitely going to need to do a lot better than that.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by hiddencost on Monday February 05, 2024 @12:45AM (#39257766)
This is the managed news site of YCombinator. It's a little garden designed to cultivate start-up culture for some of the wealthiest venture capitalists in the world to profit from.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by Dylan16807 on Monday February 05, 2024 @12:47AM (#39257773)
Wanting facts to be free is definitely part of that. Entertainment isn't really the same kind of information, and is more complex.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by Aeolun on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:53AM (#39260242)
Most of all I want more content. I’m perfectly fine paying for new content if existing content is unencumbered.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by robertoandred on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:25PM (#39257315)
I mean, stealing is always easier than paying for something.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by Dban1 on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:34PM (#39257376)
I'm sure you yourself can come up with counter-examples for that.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by roenxi on Monday February 05, 2024 @02:34AM (#39258319)
And, furthermore, piracy isn't stealing. It is a major point here that the initial owner of the thing still possesses the thing.

They're trying to assert some unnatural right of control over what other people do. It isn't even all that clear why this is a good idea. I can see how it makes sense for legislators because of the presumably significant kickbacks they get from lobbyists; but there is a still an open question of whether this is a good system. It looks like it has had a big negative impact on our ability to sustain a shared culture. If people have to buy in to a culture, a bunch of people won't.

People still can't freely distribute Lord of the Rings for example. That isn't helping to get people reading it. J.R.R Tolkien has been dead for a while. Anything less famous than that has little chance to stick.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by TheOtherHobbes on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:33AM (#39259550)
The original owner no longer possesses the commercial value of the thing.

That's what you steal when you pirate.

People have been buying into shared cultures for centuries. Sometimes being able to afford access to a certain culture - and excluding those who can't - is part of the culture itself.

In a bottom-up cultures people are happy to pay because they feel part of the scene and they want to support it. A big part of that is user/costumer/fan experience and a feeling of community.

Top-down cultures feel exploitative and predatory - because they are. They separate the culture into producers and consumers and enforce strict gatekeeping of the relationship between them - which usually means a one-way financial obligation that feels like extortion, and unnecessary complications and frictions in the experience.

The real issue here is the insistence by the media-cos that movies can only ever be top-down.

The predictable outcome is there's now a shared culture of piracy in which people willingly support the pirate sites instead of the official distributors, and running a pirate site can be incredibly profitable.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by roenxi on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:55AM (#39260258)
> The original owner no longer possesses the commercial value of the thing.

The pirate hasn't gained any commercial value though. I'm pretty sure that "stealing" involves a valuable thing getting transferred from one person to another. Operative word being transfer. Everything the copyright holder had to start with is either retained by them or not possessed by the infringer. So it can't be (and isn't) theft.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by rakoo on Monday February 05, 2024 @09:50AM (#39261781)
> The original owner no longer possesses the commercial value of the thing.

Not exactly: the original owner still has all the commercial value, as decades of piracy has shown that commercial pieces still exist.

What the owner has lost though is monopoly over distribution and thus money exchange. It is possible to get the content from other places, and maybe, maybe not give some money back. The proliferation of exclusive content on numerous platforms only confirms that.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by calvinmorrison on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:30PM (#39257343)
Thats not true in even the most trivial sense. But the rise of piracy correlates strongly to not cost, but availability.

Granted charging $1 per song is a little egregious as well

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by mlrtime on Monday February 05, 2024 @09:29AM (#39261551)
"stealing" is not always easier. Pirating is sometimes easier, sometimes cheaper, it depends.