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Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by kylebenzle on Sunday February 04, 2024 @06:28PM (#39255615)
This is HACKER news, our central ethos is (should be) all information wants to be free. Sad to see the desire to pay for content is getting upvoted.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by lolinder on Sunday February 04, 2024 @06:45PM (#39255722)
This is "Hacker" news for a bunch of independent definitions of "Hacker", and for most of us the definition isn't "breaks into computer systems and leaks stuff on the internet".

For myself, when I think of the hacker ethos I think of Stallman and the GPL, which is explicitly designed around the idea that information can be ethically sold as long as you're actually selling it [0]. It's free as in freedom, not free as in beer, and under that philosophy being able to pay for services that respect your rights as a free human (which most current streaming services don't) is a desirable end state, not something to be condemned.

> Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU Project is that you should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that you should charge as little as possible—just enough to cover the cost. This is a misunderstanding.

> Actually, we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can. If a license does not permit users to make copies and sell them, it is a nonfree license. If this seems surprising to you, please read on.

[0] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by defrost on Sunday February 04, 2024 @06:58PM (#39255803)
This is the ballpit sandbox forum for YCombinator, a club for software startup investment fund managers who can quote from the Tibetian Book of the Dead.

The lesson here is that attrition and shrinkage will always be with us, it's only the rate that varies in market accordance with the enshittification of product.

The 'better' the product, the lower the shrinkage.

As supported by a majority of thread comments "I used to pirate when I was poor, then I didn't - now I do again as the commercial offering sucks".

[attribution] https://thebillionscompanion.net/all/tag/Tibetan+Book+of+the...

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by int_19h on Friday February 16, 2024 @12:59AM (#39393707)
I distinctly recall Stallman himself saying that copyleft wouldn't really be necessary if copyright weren't a thing.

In any case, hacking as a concept predates Stallman and FSF - indeed, they're the product of that mindset, not its originators. And the original hackers didn't care about copyright - just look at the early history of Unix.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by dgfitz on Sunday February 04, 2024 @07:27PM (#39255998)
I’ve never equated “hacker == free” ever. In that save vein, no, all information should NOT be free.

I sincerely reject your entire premise.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by orwin on Sunday February 04, 2024 @07:39PM (#39256075)
I think information should be free as in freedom, but have a cost that should be paid (in time, money...), is this a better for you? (I disagree with GP BTW).
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by dgfitz on Sunday February 04, 2024 @08:42PM (#39256366)
Many hearts, I am the GP.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by nkurz on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:09PM (#39257202)
Others use it differently, but I think he was using "GP" to mean "grandparent", as in the comment you would get to if you clicked on "parent" twice starting at his comment. In that system, you would be the "OP", not the "GP", although this too is not fully standardized.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by scotty79 on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:21PM (#39256579)
Information wants to be free. What people want is irrelevant. Trying to force information to be not free goes against the nature of information. You can try but it costs all of us.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by xboxnolifes on Sunday February 04, 2024 @07:30PM (#39256017)
Free as in libre, I agree. Free as in beer, I do not. The marginal cost of copying information may approach zero, but that's only relevant after the costs of creation are covered.

The problem is: how does one make something "free as in libre" without affecting the "not free as in beer".

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by elzbardico on Sunday February 04, 2024 @08:10PM (#39256214)
This is not 1999's Slashdot my friend.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by hooverd on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:15PM (#39256531)
YC is the man now dawg.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by echelon on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:23PM (#39256589)
> all information wants to be free

Including your personal information, browsing habits, purchase history, genome, genetic disorders, medical history, sexual partners, kinks, embarrassing photos and videos, moments of social faux pas, biggest fears, darkest secrets, cheating, illegal behaviors, personal psychiatrist notes, privileged lawyer information, passwords, private keys, bitcoin keys, financial statements, tax records, debts, etc. ?

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by kalleboo on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:27AM (#39259503)
Yes, going by how easily that stuff all ends us being leaked, it very much appears like that information is desperate to be free. Keeping it tied down is difficult work.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by sdiupIGPWEfh on Monday February 05, 2024 @07:24AM (#39260481)
Based on the frequency of data leaks and such, very much yes, that information tends toward finding freedom. Attempts to secure such records are necessary because they "want" to be free. Avoid leaving a trail of that information where you can, and keep as much as possible off the internet.

The notion of "information wants to be free" should be taken as an observation about the nature of things and the folly of corporations trying to have it both ways—information made broadly available yet on their exact terms—not as a value statement on any inherent goodness behind freeing information.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by paulddraper on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:27PM (#39256615)
"hacker" = "free information"

??

I've never heard that definition.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by worthless-trash on Sunday February 04, 2024 @11:06PM (#39257178)
Not OP, but this spawned from Woz mentioning this on a video ( https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/video/at-the-first-hackers... ) in the hackers conference.

You may be too young (not an insult) or in a different geography to have been seen this, however it was definitely a thing.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by kalleboo on Monday February 05, 2024 @05:28AM (#39259517)
The irony of this being hosted on Getty Images is not lost on me
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by topkai22 on Sunday February 04, 2024 @09:27PM (#39256616)
Its revisiting the origin of that phrase, which

“On the one hand you have—the point you’re making Woz—is that information sort of wants to be expensive because it is so valuable—the right information in the right place just changes your life. On the other hand, information almost wants to be free because the costs of getting it out is getting lower and lower all of the time. So you have these two things fighting against each other.”

I find this to be a much more intelligent formulation of the concept, as it recognizes the reasons and the tension.

We simply can’t get much of the media I like for free (gratis). That being said, it is maddening to have so much great content locked up. It feels insanely inefficient and that we produce far too much content unnecessarily.

There are probably ways to balance this better- separation of content ownership, production, and distribution; more limits on copyright length; mandatory content licensing; simplification of older content license rules…

That doesn’t mean it’s morally wrong to pay for content or put restrictions on distribution, just that optimum probably isn’t where we are.

Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by usefulcat on Sunday February 04, 2024 @10:43PM (#39257053)
If you're going to argue that "hackers" are wrong/dumb/whatever for desiring that content creators be fairly compensated for their work, by all means go ahead, but you're definitely going to need to do a lot better than that.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by hiddencost on Monday February 05, 2024 @12:45AM (#39257766)
This is the managed news site of YCombinator. It's a little garden designed to cultivate start-up culture for some of the wealthiest venture capitalists in the world to profit from.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by Dylan16807 on Monday February 05, 2024 @12:47AM (#39257773)
Wanting facts to be free is definitely part of that. Entertainment isn't really the same kind of information, and is more complex.
Re:Netflix: Piracy is difficult to compete against and growi... by Aeolun on Monday February 05, 2024 @06:53AM (#39260242)
Most of all I want more content. I’m perfectly fine paying for new content if existing content is unencumbered.