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Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by plaidfuji on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @03:07PM (#29799600)
How do I get new features added to the roadmap? I’ve been asking for an “eat vegetables” interface without the “offer dessert in exchange” workaround for over a year, no response, yet in the same time frame I’ve seen things like “climb top-heavy bookshelf” and “unfurl entire toilet paper roll” deployed… who is asking for these features??
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by dylan604 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:15PM (#29801375)
>who is asking for these features??

The project managers have had a look at some of the competing products, and felt that matching features would be more competitive vs fixing existing bugs.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by sophacles on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:32PM (#29801692)
Yeah, but look at puppy for example - it just eats what you give it. (If anything, the makers of that product should introduce a bit of pickiness tbh). The small child makers should really take an example from puppy - AI is a nice way to get some behaviors trained up, but over-doing it (e.g. in the "what to eat" module) can be just as bad as not enough (compare brine shrimp for the problems of a no AI approach).
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by dylan604 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:36PM (#29801738)
Sorry, you're blaming someone else for the decision on chosing Small Child vs Cute Loveable Puppy? Buyer's remorse is strong. You should have researched the return options before purchase. However, adding Cute Loveable Puppy can sometimes improve Small Child, or just add to headache.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by hluska on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:51PM (#29802756)
Be careful. Testing has shown that if you run the Small Child and Cute Loveable Puppy containers on the same host, drink(alcohol) may start running at about 9:30 pm.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by sophacles on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @01:58PM (#29813317)
Oh sorry, I didn't mean to mislead! I don't own either model, I just am disucssing my experiences as a user. See my sister has both a puppy and a small child... Her and my brother-in-law have set up a combined SCaaS and PaaS called 'extended family'. As an early adopter (they call it "uncle" but whatever, silly naming has been a thing since "tweet"), I get more access than I can use to both small child and puppy. It's actually a great service if you're on the fence about getting your own, you can just send an SMS to 'extended family' and reserve some time. Most of the benefits of ownership, and when one of the defects littering this thread pops up, 'extended family' takes care of all the maintenance.

My best friend runs a similar service called "chosen family" and my early adopter title is "godfather" (i like that one, very mobster), but otherwise the service is basically the same.

If you're at all unsure about investing in small child or puppy, take a look around for a similar service to help with the decision!

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by na85 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:38PM (#29801789)
Puppy also happily rolls in excrement if you don't run the Leash plugin.

I have the 2017 Small Child Pro and mine tried to eat a cigarette butt that she found in a mud puddle but at least she doesn't roll in goose shit.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by dylan604 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:29PM (#29803099)
You should have splurged for the Small Child Pro Max++. It comes with the extra neural engine cores. Sometimes buying the top of the line unit seems too expensive at time of purchase, but it's only after some usage does the decision to save money up front come to be regretted.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by watersb on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @10:37PM (#29804797)
Power management is terrible on the Pro Max++, to say nothing of the stability issues.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by hluska on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:56PM (#29802800)
I have a 2016 model. You're in for a wonderful year - enjoy every second of it!! :)
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by xattt on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @08:42PM (#29803839)
My 2016 model has a bug whenever any mode of communication contains bathroom words.

The child fails to respond to any further verbal input and emits some sort of sound akin to a hyena.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by na85 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:34PM (#29803166)
Nice, have you found a way to suppress the "sass" function? Is there a patch or something?

I mean sometimes I feel like mine is a much older model in a small casing.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by hluska on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:27PM (#29804222)
"Sass" seems to be a critical component of the operating system. That process runs unless my model is asleep or needs a doctor. Have you heard of the sass-back algorithm? Don't let it run constantly because it loses its impact, but you can always pull it out when you need the sassing to just stop....

function sass-back (sass): return sass

I'm not sure why, but sass-back seems to put sass into a panic. It temporarily stops all system output while it tries to restart and initiates "stare".

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by sk0g on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:59PM (#29803411)
At least that's usually the case! Our puppy is positively defective - she eats what she needs, and leaves the rest in the bowl. Unless there's chicken.

Such bug-features are always handy! I wonder if it's consistently reproducible in other dogs, maybe there's some source code behind it that may be useful in other species?

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by gattilorenz on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @03:42AM (#29806617)
> I wonder if it's consistently reproducible in other dogs

Our dog had the same behavior, but sterilization introduced a regression bug and she is now constantly hungry and begging for food.

It did solve the problem of giving her medicine, though: just present it as food and it's going to be devoured.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by dvaun on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @04:57PM (#29801154)
We put everything on a plate and offer it to the child(ren). Then, if they become hungry later on, they can return to said plate and continue eating.

Dessert is considered "equal", so we place it on their plate. However, that also means that they can't raid the pantry for snacks afterward.

It seems to be working. Our oldest ate celery and peanut butter the other day, which is pretty unexpected to us.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by jokethrowaway on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:17PM (#29801393)
Talking by experience, my kids would just eat dessert and cry later that they want more dessert.

I went in the opposite direction. I put a small portion of meat on the dish. When it's over, I put some vegetables; rinse and repeat until the portion of food is assimilated.

It seems like giving small goals is helping with going through the entire dinner and not having a choice minimises building up dislike for a specific food.

I think the reasoning for the second phenomenon is something like:

1. I can eat potatoes or chicken. 2. I like potatoes. 3. I'll eat potatoes. 4. Remember that dislikeChicken++ 4. Go back to 1 until I'm full

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by jimmygrapes on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:24PM (#29802413)
This is honestly the most original take I've ever seen on handling picky kids, and despite it being sort of in jest I can't help but think there's some potential validity. Kids tend to be pretty easy to manipulate when it comes to food (e.g. "broccoli is tiny trees!"), as long as you can find the fulcrum point from which to pivot the presentation. I hadn't considered the choice/reinforcement aspect of this before, and will keep it in mind as a harmless test concept!
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by drcongo on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @05:15AM (#29807285)
I told mine that brussels sprouts were cabbages grown by fairies. They love them now.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by themaninthedark on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @01:13PM (#29812719)
I say that broccoli are little trees and then pretend I am a dinosaur eating the trees.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by virgilp on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @05:27AM (#29807354)
Kids are very different. My first daughter had a healthy appetite while small, then after a cold she became a very picky eater; she remains somewhat picky today, as an adult. The second daughter, we "trained" to eat varied, healthy food. We were proud of ourselves and thought we know "how it's done". The third one broke us completely - at some point we were begging her "eat this cupcake, it has loads of chocolate!"
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by Thlom on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:35AM (#29807781)
All our three kids ate everything until they were about three, after that they were really picky but it seems to get slowly better once they reach 8-9 years old. That said, when they were in daycare/kindergarten they eat what they are served. Very strange. Our oldest attended an “alternative” kindergarten where everything they were served was full of spices and herbs. She ate it all, but at home she barely touched the most plain of plainest meals. Peculiar.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by gambiting on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:04AM (#29809031)
My brother-in-law's children are trilingual, and they react differently depending which language you talk to them in. Because they speak French at school, if you ask them to clean up or eat their vegetables in French they do it without complaining. But do it in Polish of English, nope, not having any of it. 4 and 7 years old.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by gumby on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:15PM (#29801376)
In the US most peanut butters include added sugar so your kid may have hacked your system.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by munificent on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:36PM (#29801751)
Shout-out to Adams peanut butter which is delicious and has zero sugar.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by hathawsh on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:50PM (#29801964)
Some Adams trivia:

- It's owned by Smucker's. I normally dislike anything from Smucker's, but Adams is a nice exception.

- If you get the giant jar from Costco, the oil separation is a significant issue. There's a simple solution: dump it all into a big mixing bowl (with the help of a silicone spatula), mix it, and pour it back into the jar. I did it last time I bought it and it was worth the 10 minutes I spent.

- Once it's mixed well, if you give it a quick stir every time you use it, the oil doesn't separate again.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by drunner on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:23PM (#29802410)
The other hack for jars of any size is to store them upside down until you open them for the first time. Then when you open the jar, you get to stir the PB and the oil naturally comes up from the bottom instead of delicately trying to force the oil down without spilling it over the sides.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by hrwl on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @12:10AM (#29805387)
I've taken to using a using an electric hand mixer directly in the jar. It gets the peanut butter thoroughly mixed very quickly. As one might expect, it can go wrong spectacularly if you aren't careful.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by themadturk on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:59PM (#29802834)
It's owned by Smucker, but not developed by them. It originated early in the 20th century in Tacoma, WA and was purchased in the late 1990s by Smucker.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by aidenn0 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:40PM (#29802627)
Just because this has been bugging me for years:

Why are all zero-sugar-added PBs not homogenized? It seems unlikely to me that sugar is the primary homogenizing agent in e.g. Skippy. I dread opening a new jar of peanut butter to the point where I will look for other things...

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by themadturk on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:56PM (#29802811)
I think what keeps homogenized peanut butter homogenized is partially-hydrogenated vegetable oil, which is apparently also not good for you. Adams Natural, for instance (they also make a homogenized version) contains peanuts and (optionally) salt.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by beiller on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:18PM (#29803004)
Oh fun hack. Store the peanut butter container closed on its side in the fridge. More surface area seems to help the separation issue and the fridge solidifies it so it has less chance to drip or leak.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by julianlam on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:20PM (#29803012)
All natural pb's I've tried don't separate if you store it in the fridge (but importantly, only after the initial stir)
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by njarboe on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @08:47PM (#29803882)
True, but its not as tasty cold. I guess that is not a problem when making sandwiches for lunch in the morning, if that is your main use case.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by samth on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:46PM (#29803299)
Making your own is really easy in a food processor and tastes excellent.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by cpursley on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @04:43PM (#29800982)
Can somebody explain the "won't eat vegetables" thing? The only place I've heard about this being in issue is in America.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by acdha on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:28PM (#29802478)
It's a combination of several factors: American kids foods tend to be heavily processed and run to sweet, which will set the baseline if you let it, and there's this widespread belief that children won't eat grownup food so you should offer something else.

We only offer what we're eating and, unsurprisingly, he has learned that as normal. That doesn't mean he eats everything — bitter flavors really are a learned taste — but he'll eat enough of it to get proper nutrition and understands that rejecting dinner means getting a second pass later rather than something else. We're also not monsters so there's always some high-probability staple in the meal so it might be that e.g. he eats the fish and sweet potatoes/kale chips but not the squash, which is acceptable. There are also some amusing outcomes: I haven't had asparagus tips in a year or two because he eats those happily but not the base.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by quartesixte on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:40PM (#29802632)
> children won't eat grownup food so you should offer something else.

Having grown up in an immigrant household where the children’s plate is just a smaller version of the adult plate, is this a thing in American households? The kids eat an entirely separate meal-course from the adults?

I know baby food is processed but once a kid gets teeth, they’re just given what the adults eat.

My grandmother would have banish from the table if I had ever even dared to ask to eat something separate.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by nostrademons on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:05PM (#29802882)
That's what kids' menus are at restaurants. Spaghetti & meatballs, chicken fingers, mac 'n cheese, pizza, sometimes fish & chips. The same staple foods that basically all kids will eat, as a separate meal course.

My wife grew up in an immigrant family, I grew up in a half-immigrant (but largely Americanized) family. This was an element of culture shock for her. In American culture the norm is that everybody eats whatever they want to eat, and it's considered rude (sometimes even abusive) to try and control someone's food. We have obesity & diabetes rates to match. In most immigrant cultures food is considered a communal experience, where set dishes are put out on the table and it's considered rude to decline or ask for something different. You see this in restaurant customs as well, where servers at American restaurants will come around and ask each person (even the kids) what they want and then bring out individual plates, while in say Chinese restaurants the servers will go to the oldest male at the table, ask for the order, and then bring dishes out family style for everyone to eat.

It's extremely difficult to raise kids against the culture they're immersed in. Our infant will eat anything - even broccoli, celery, carrots, etc. Our 3-year-old will only eat dino nuggets, or on rare occasions, noodles or rice. When our 3-year-old was an infant, he ate everything too. But he gets snacks, occasionally lunch, and occasionally parties outside the home, and in the course of that, discovers that he really likes spaghetti, dino nuggets, and PB&J sandwiches. Hence, that is now his meal, and he knows that it is possible to have them, and he won't eat anything else when placed in front of him, even things he previously enjoyed.

(I suppose we could just not buy dino nuggets and he'd be fine; he's been fine whenever we run out and I explain that we just don't have any. But it's just not that important to me. Like I said, in American culture, the norm is that if you have the means to make yourself or your family happy, you should do it, and it's not that hard to get a 5 lb bag of dino nuggets from Costco when we go.)

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by Symbiote on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:41PM (#29803247)
I spent about 4 months in total in the US as a child, visiting relatives and doing road trips.

I remember several restaurant visits. I was old enough (12-17) to order from the adult menu without comment in most cases, although in a fancy place I did have all the waitresses coming to look at me eat snails.

Elsewhere, waiters sometimes said "are you sure he/she will eat that?" when my younger siblings made their choices, or "I see you guys really are from Europe, American kids don't eat XYZ".

(I have eaten chicken/turkey nuggets perhaps 3 or 4 times in my life. From 2005, many schools in Britain were banned or limited from serving them [1]. Sodas are also banned.)

[1] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/school-food-stand...

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by Slartie on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @05:41AM (#29807438)
> Like I said, in American culture, the norm is that if you have the means to make yourself or your family happy, you should do it, and it's not that hard to get a 5 lb bag of dino nuggets from Costco when we go.

That is a perfect example explaining the huge problems with (child and adult) obesity and all the health-related problems originating from it, which are also very much "the norm" in American culture.

"Let's optimize for short-term happiness! The only reason why you maybe shouldn't do that in a particular occasion is because you lack the money!"

With the same reasoning you should also probably buy and take crystal meth if you can afford it. It's definitely a powerful boost for happiness, you can make the whole family happy as never before with just one small lump of the stuff!

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by danachow on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @08:03PM (#29803464)
> Like I said, in American culture, the norm is that if you have the means to make yourself or your family happy, you should do it.

That's kind of a bullshit cop-out. Way too vague and general to be a "norm". I make my family happy by helping lower their risk of diabetes and heart failure, so I guess I do subscribe to it. (I'm not directly knocking your choice to feed dino nuggets) but I think your general point is a bit shitty. I have many friends and close extended family that have successfully raised their children vegetarian or vegan - I don't care to do that but I am pretty strict about food choices in young children - it usually sets them up better even in the teen year as I have seen 1st and 2nd hand. It can be challenging - but extremely difficult is hyperbole. Young children get the vast vast majority of their food from home, one birthday party isn't going to force themselves to go on a hunger strike and starve to death. A daycare should be respecting dietary restrictions especially if you're providing the food.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by BenjiWiebe on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:57PM (#29802814)
Speaking for myself (American/Midwest), I've never seen nor experienced children getting a separate menu than the adults.

Well, except for eating out, I guess. And even then an adult sharing with a child is not that rare.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by lukevp on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:33PM (#29804277)
I am genuinely confused by this phrasing. Are you saying that there are many situations where children and adults are receiving menus for food but are not “eating out”?
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by jounker on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:58PM (#29804459)
Menu also means the foods served at a meal.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by pnutjam on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:52AM (#29808864)
There are alot of people who basically eat out every meal. That's why every time there is a snowstorm, the bread is always gone. Those people only know how to make sandwiches.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by zebnyc on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:18PM (#29803003)
As a first generation immigrant to the US, this is something which bemused me. When I was a kid if I refused to eat veggies, I know my Mom would kick me off the dining table.

In my home, we are trying to instill a little bit of that. Veggies, meat and carbs first. Then fruits and on occasion dessert. My kid knows if he wants fruits (he loves fruit) / dessert, he needs to finish his veggies. Meat and carbs we don't insist too much. My kid eats a no-spice version of what the adults eat. This is mostly cause his day care provides bland food and his taste buds are too sensitive.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by acdha on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:56PM (#29802806)
Very much yes: like you'll have a meal with normal food and someone will make a batch of Kraft mac-and-cheese without even offering them what everyone else is eating. I can understand the appeal of not fighting about it but that problem only gets worse the longer it runs.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by stickfigure on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:55PM (#29803383)
My observation of my friends (mostly SF bay area) is it's about 50/50. I'd like to think that it's my brilliant parenting that we have a one-meal family, but our 4yo has always been very food-motivated. Without getting too much into the nature/nurture debate, I'm willing to accept there's plenty of both, and I try not to judge my friends who make separate meals for their kids.

That said, kiddo doesn't like shrimp (yet!), and I love shrimp, so on shrimp nights he gets something else.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by semireg on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @11:31PM (#29805145)
Ours also doesn’t like shrimp. We always put one on the plate for him to look at, inspect, discard. As a shrimp loving dad all I can think of is: more for me!
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by ungamed on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @03:06AM (#29806398)
My grandmother would do more than 'banish', I'd have been sore for a day at least.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by gumby on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @08:50PM (#29803913)
I have an American gf and can confirm she does this. Sometimes three separate meals, one for adults and one for each kid. Apparently this is the norm in households around here.

My ex and I did not even think of doing this with our kid.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by mattlondon on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:01PM (#29801179)
My kid (~2 years) prefers to eat food they like the taste of most.

Turns out that they prefer the sweet tastes of biscuits and even bananas etc to broccoli and carrots.

They'll whinge and whine about being hungry, so you offer them some peas or avocado or something and they will literally push it out of the way, look you straight in the eye, and tell you about how hungry they are (...but not hungry enough to eat the veggies in front of them!). Offer them crisps or biscuits or even just fruity-yoghurt and they'll scoff it down super-fast because presumably it tastes nicer.

Can't blame them really.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by quadrangle on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @10:07PM (#29804533)
I can understand peas, but avocado is fatty indulgent wonderful food. Not liking avocado is absurd. It's like not liking peanut-butter.

Side-note: I learned the most grotesque aberration that shows how the U.S. is orders of magnitude into complete dysfunction: there's something called "diet peanut butter" (learned about this because of a warning I saw online not to give it to dogs). WTF is "diet peanut butter"???? Peanut butter is this rich, delicious oily food. It doesn't need a damn thing to be a great treat. But in the U.S., it's not only typically salted, they add a large amount of sugar. That's already insanely stupid. You want to cut out the sugar? Just enjoy the plain amazing peanut butter on its own!! Nope, they made "diet" by swapping the sugar for xylitol or something. INSANE.

P.S. I live in and grew up in the U.S., I'm judging my own country.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by oblio on Thursday January 13, 2022 @08:58AM (#29920780)
> Not liking avocado is absurd. It's like not liking peanut-butter.

I'm not American but I hate both. They're bland foods.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by glandium on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @12:38AM (#29805560)
Is peanut-butter really liked much outside the US/North America?
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by Vinnl on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:34AM (#29807775)
Widely eaten in the Netherlands (though not on its own - usually on bread, and never with jelly). Many people swear by the main brand Calvé, although peanut-only single-ingredient peanut butter has gained serious traction in the past few years.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by saiya-jin on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @04:18AM (#29806867)
not really that much, just a slightly exotic item like say maple syrup
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by ungamed on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @03:15AM (#29806450)
I don't think ive ever eaten it by itself, but I can confirm that I've had it on sandwiches in Australia, in Satay, (Golden tofu/chicken) and a peanut stew (African iirc).
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by glandium on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @03:57AM (#29806708)
Satay sauce and peanut stew are different from peanut butter, though.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by martopix on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @04:01AM (#29806749)
I'm Italian and I like it, although I ate it for the first time when I was a PhD student in the UK. In Italy it's not always easy to find.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by detaro on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:45AM (#29807844)
It's fairly common here in Germany.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by nicoburns on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:30PM (#29803122)
My parents avoided this issue by just not offering me crisps biscuits etc almost ever (perhaps one on the weekend if I were lucky - certainly not every day). Within healthy food groups they would make an effort to provide foods I liked though.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by hackerfromthefu on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:52PM (#29803349)
Classic symptoms of sugar addiction. I've found it takes around three weeks without sugar to reset this, then the sugar cravings hacking the system disappear.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by justsomehnguy on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @05:43AM (#29807446)
> they will literally push it out of the way, look you straight in the eye, and tell you about how hungry they are

While "sugar addiction" has it merits, the main problem here is the parents who are toyed around by a little egoist... and they are happy to oblige.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by jkepler on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @05:07AM (#29807212)
From a very young age, me Small Child liked peas frozen. I think the temperature sensation and contrast with other foods must have been interesting.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by ungamed on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @03:09AM (#29806414)
Carrots in Australia seem to be quite sweet compared to the carrots that I had in some of Asia, how do carrots taste in the US ?
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by selimthegrim on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:45PM (#29801903)
So do they not class carrots as sweet at all? Is this related to kids hating olives at all?
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by NobodyNada on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:33PM (#29803150)
I hated carrots growing up. I definitely would not describe them as "sweet": they taste dry and sour, take a long time to chew, and the juice makes my throat hurt.

Maybe my family just bought bad carrots, but they all seemed to like them. I don't know.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by hackerfromthefu on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:53PM (#29803361)
Most modern carrots are quite sweet, however the ratio of fibre to sugar prevents the rapid glycemic spike that triggers the sugar addiction.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by drcongo on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @05:20AM (#29807322)
I've never met a kid who hates olives!
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by mensetmanusman on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @04:46PM (#29801017)
Sugar/bread is easier.

We solve this by having a tiered eating system that starts with some salad or veggies, if they don’t eat, they clearly aren’t deathly hungry; dessert is available at the end of the meal if they finish.

Note this may require a family eating culture that includes salad et al. With every dinner, which is not the norm in America.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by cpursley on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @04:51PM (#29801064)
I wonder if it's also the preparation method. Steamed veggies are of course not appealing vs ones flash fried in a little oil/butter plus salt.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by amock on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:03PM (#29801212)
My experience with little kids is that steamed vegetables are the most appealing, they just need to be offered before sweets. Things fried in grease or with salt added seem to be something that becomes much more appealing later.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by skrtskrt on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:31PM (#29802512)
yeah I didn't discover veggies actually being good until adulthood when I learned you can just throw a little oil and salt and roast them in the oven.

My parents always steamed them to hell and put almost no salt on

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by dugmartin on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:14PM (#29804105)
I was well into my 40s before I learned that cauliflower actually tastes amazing when roasted. My mom always boiled it and I swear it always smells like something died in the kitchen when she did that.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by mattlondon on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:07PM (#29801268)
Generally speaking, added salt is something you need to avoid with young kids. Likewise for saturated fats.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/baby/weaning-and-feeding/foods...

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by mdavis6890 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:16PM (#29801386)
Regarding salt, From the link, “babies” is different than kids. I doubt salt is going to hurt anyone older except in specific cases like heart disease or something.

I don’t buy the saturated fats thing either, except to the extent that they are a source of calories. If you have links to some studies that indicate negative outcomes vs the same caloric intake from other sources I am willing to read them.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by abenga on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @12:59AM (#29805685)
Sugar lobby did a brilliant job convincing us all that fats are harmful, while all along sugar was the real monster.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by ungamed on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @03:17AM (#29806460)
Anyone doing significant amount of exercise (kids) would likely benefit from salt in their diet.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by mdavis6890 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:12PM (#29801337)
I figured out the flash fry thing just last year. Game changer, for me as well as the kids. So yummy. Be careful with that hot oil though! The most dangerous thing in the kitchen afaikt.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by vlunkr on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:06PM (#29801254)
I think preparation is a big part. If you offer a kid pizza and some cold broccoli together then yeah, they'll skip the broccoli.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by gumby on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:16PM (#29801390)
Steamed is how I like them the best, FWIW.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by jkepler on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @05:10AM (#29807236)
Or raw - my child still loves raw veggies: carrots, broccoli, sweet peppers, cherry tomatoes, cucumber.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by hkt on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:31PM (#29802521)
That is the method that is apparently common in France. I recommend this book:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/jan/20/french-childre...

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by brongondwana on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @11:35PM (#29805168)
The danger with this pattern is that it encourages overeating - stuff in the vegies so you get dessert as well, and wind up eating way more food than you need.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by coldtea on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:23PM (#29801527)
If everything is saturated with salt/sugar/artificial ehnahced flavors/refined everything/fried/etc with "instant hook"-overcranked-at-11 taste, and it's all targeting the lowest common denominator palette, good luck then trying to teach a person to appreciate tomoatoes, brocolli, asparagus, mushrooms, cheeses, and so on...
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by stavros on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:37PM (#29801763)
This is a very good summary of my culinary experience visiting the US. This is not to say that good restaurants don't exist, it's just that cheap/everyday restaurants had everything cranked up to 11. The Cheesecake Factory menu was basically butter and sugar in different ratios.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by coldtea on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:34PM (#29802568)
With that kind of cuisine how would they ever appreciate the finer taste of splinanetero and arnisia ameletita?
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by Noumenon72 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @08:04PM (#29803476)
Splinantero so rare Google didn't even guess it from how you spelled it. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&sxsrf=AOa...

Arnisia ameletita doesn't even have any non-Greek results at all. https://www.womenonly.gr/kreas/arthro/ameletita_aganaktismen...

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by currency on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @01:30PM (#29812971)
Edge's translation of the Arnisia ameletita page is hilarious. I don't know Greek, so I have no idea how much of this is in the original—

"The composition of the recipe for negligentness is the product of deep study by the entire staff of pandespani, which dedicated its energy both to the symbolic significance of the proposal and to the gastronomic one.‎

‎ In order to enrich our indignant recipe with meanings and symbolism, members of our team, due to three days, rigged to Mani in order to find the most angry instruments from the well-known butcher shop of the Kourakos Brothers in Areopolis, but also to the popular one in Argos for potatoes, because of the slow salaries that the "castrated" taxpayers cover.‎

‎ With these and with them, yesterday we found all the pantespanic contributors and we pinched our neatness in two different ways"...

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by coldtea on Thursday January 06, 2022 @09:44AM (#29824098)
>Edge's translation of the Arnisia ameletita page is hilarious. I don't know Greek, so I have no idea how much of this is in the original—

It is. It's a recipe site, but this particular article was written during the period of austerity measures and protests, and has some humoristic references to the era.

Note that amelitita means "unmentionables", and those are basically the testicles of the animal.

This recipe however is for bovine "unmentionables", not arnisia (lamb) ones.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by coldtea on Thursday January 06, 2022 @09:49AM (#29824153)
>Splinantero so rare Google didn't even guess it from how you spelled it.

I has a typo in my spelling. Spinantero is basically a composite word for "splina" kai "entero", the Greek words that are the ancient etymology of english "spleen" and "enteric". And the recipe is exactly that, speen and other meet wrapped in intestines, and grilled with spices etc.

>Arnisia ameletita doesn't even have any non-Greek results at all.

Ameletita is literarlly unmentionables (basically "testicles"), and arnisia is means "from lamb". So this recipe is easy too (though the recipe site gives one for bull ameletita).

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by jeegsy on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:12PM (#29802941)
I had to look those up. Wasnt disappointed. You can definitely keep the ameletita though
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by coldtea on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:51AM (#29807881)
The latter is a delicacy though too!
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by stavros on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:45PM (#29802690)
Oh man, don't give me an appetite.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by cameldrv on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:12PM (#29801335)
I've heard some speculation that this can be related to breast vs. formula feeding. If the mom eats a lot of vegetables, some of the tastes will come out in the milk and get the baby accustomed to those tastes.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by mithr on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:27PM (#29801599)
This is highly unlikely, similarly to claims that eating cruciferous vegetables will lead to gassy breast-fed babies. Breast milk isn't the distilled contents of the parent's stomach. In contrast, alcohol (for example) is a problem because it affects the parent's bloodstream, not because it fills their stomach.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by InitialLastName on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:17PM (#29802329)
A) The tastes/smells of many fluids humans produce are noticeably affected by the foods they eat

B) Many with experience with milk-generating livestock will cite that the feed has a meaningful effect on the flavor of the milk.

Why would human breast milk be the exception to both of those premises?

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by User23 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:37PM (#29802594)
The percentage of alcohol that makes it into breast milk, which is the mother’s blood alcohol content, is less than the percentage in a typical slice of yeast leavened bread[1]. Coma level alcohol abuse is a BAC of 0.4%, which is the around the minimum found in bread. It’s very important to remember that this intake is going through baby’s gut and liver. On the other hand drinking while pregnant is essentially putting baby on an alcohol IV and is extremely harmful.

The real danger of alcohol for breastfeeding is that it can impair the mother’s ability to properly hold the child, among other things.

Obviously I don’t advocate drinking and nursing, but if mom does have a couple glasses of wine with dinner she shouldn’t be wracked with guilt if she has to nurse.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1709087/?page=1

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by cameldrv on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @03:22AM (#29806495)
On the alcohol thing, I'm inclined to agree. Even if you drink enough to be legally drunk, the milk should only be 0.08% alcohol, which is considerably less than say, orange juice. This of course does not at all apply to a pregnant woman.

On the cruciferous vegetable thing, I can say that it is a real phenomenon at least for some babies in certain circumstances. One of our babies was particularly prone to gas, and we had a few horrible nights. Finally, after the worst night of crying we'd ever had, it dawned on us that my wife had eaten a salad with raw brussels sprouts and also eaten cooked brussels sprouts that night. Once she cut out the brussels sprouts and went easy on the broccoli, the problem mostly went away.

Whatever the chemical in brussels sprouts that causes gas is, evidently it is active at pretty low concentrations at least for certain babies.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by plasticchris on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:15PM (#29802302)
It’s not entirely far fetched. Grandpa used to say that if the cows got into garlic it ruined the milk, some flavors carry over.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by BenjiWiebe on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:00PM (#29802840)
I live on a dairy. Yes, when our cows grazed on our cover crop which included radishes, it affected the flavor of the milk. And the color, too.

We actually had some customers tell us later that they wouldn't have kept buying our milk due to the unpleasant flavor, except that they knew it was temporary.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by bgoated on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:44PM (#29803276)
I'll second this; my parents had milk goats while I was young, and their diet definitely affected the milk flavor. Garlic, onions, even some weeds would do it.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by skrtskrt on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:34PM (#29802556)
I think if Korean kids can love kimchi, Italian kids can love eggplant, and Mexican kids can love nopales you must be able to condition kids to like anything.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by enaaem on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:45PM (#29801891)
I find that many western households don’t know how to cook vegetables. Often mushy and overcooked. I as an adult don’t enjoy eating that either.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by acdha on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:49PM (#29802729)
Historically, there was a big food safety / “scientific nutrition” movement which was heavily influenced by the various food-safety issues around the turn of the previous century and also things like Great Depression / WWII-era concerns about malnourishment (my grandfather remembered all of the concerns that American teenagers hadn't been fed enough to be able to go toe to toe with the Germans).

This lead to a lot of truly regrettable food — when my grandmother did home economics classes the focus was always on things like having enough calories for manual laborers on a budget, cooking thoroughly to avoid the chance of disease, etc. which really emphasized meat and carbs, and techniques like pressure cooking (which allowed you to eat cheaper cuts of meat). Enjoying your food was not a priority. Her children were quite happy when she got into California cuisine back when that was new.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by Symbiote on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @08:27PM (#29803702)
Are you including the cultures with a reputation for the best food in your "western" generalization? France, Spain, Italy, Greece and so on.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by enaaem on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @07:02AM (#29807949)
Oh yeah, they have great food. The more northern parts not so.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by martopix on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @04:05AM (#29806780)
You can't really talk about "western" when it comes to food.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by na85 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:18PM (#29802344)
Honestly I think it's just cultural. Parents inadvertently pass it on, or the kids get it from their peers.

My daughter ate olives, Brussels sprouts, lettuce, cabbage, whatever really, from age 2 to 3.

Now she's older and there's a bit of "asserting my independence" thing but she still loves Brussels sprouts.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by jessaustin on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:58PM (#29804458)
Yes, pickiness is definitely passed on. The only children I know who insist on ridiculous "meals" of mac-n-cheese and chicken nuggets have at least one parent who also has no taste.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by habeebtc on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @11:35PM (#29805167)
I am not a naturally picky eater. It has really helped in my world travels.

The one thing I cannot deal with is Beets. Which is the only food my father hated.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by cpursley on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @03:29AM (#29806534)
Have you tried Borscht with beef? It transforms beets into an entirely different thing. My favorite item from Ukrainian/Russian cusine.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by cpfohl on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:17AM (#29807660)
Yum. Or even with fermented beets! Borscht is delicious
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by teh_klev on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @08:47PM (#29803884)
This is also known as the "Salad Dodger" bug. Many users in Scotland have been less than successful at getting a patch for this issue. Something to do with territorial licensing and the Pies and Bridies patent.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by reaperducer on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:26PM (#29801575)
Can somebody explain the "won't eat vegetables" thing? The only place I've heard about this being a problem is in America.

And yet I've seen it on TV shows in both the U.K., and Australia.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by moron4hire on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @12:39AM (#29805568)
Most people are shitty cooks.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by coldtea on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:21PM (#29801465)
>I’ve been asking for an “eat vegetables” interface without the “offer dessert in exchange” workaround

Perhaps "not eating vegetables" shouldn't have been presented as an option, but instead "we eat what is on offer today, there is no special menu".

More often than not, it's spoiling the kid with sweets, pizza, or perhaps just cooking their favorite dishes on demand every time (as opposed to as a love gesture once in a while), that prevents them from enjoying and appreciating a wider range of food.

Once somebody has been hooked on the quick-fix of a burger, for example, it's difficult to learn to appreciate the deeper textures, tastes, etc. of vegetables and other more refined recipes.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by cseleborg on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @01:34AM (#29805881)
That's dependency injection for you, it's just impossible to know what you're actually dealing with. The other day, I hit a system error at

> ((IEatVeggies)child).justDoIt() > Cast error: Not a IEatVeggies

So in the REPL (very confusing and error-prone UI there too, by the way)

> print typeof(child) > IAmHangry

Unbelievable! There isn't even a direct conversion from IAmHangry to IEatVeggies. This type system is just completely insane.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by Karupan on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:03PM (#29802140)
Genuinely curious as a vegetarian: aren't vegetables considered a part of daily meals in your household? I've been asked this question by a couple of friends and in my experience, it depends on how the veggies are cooked (there are a million ways to make them tasty), and if the kids actually see adults eat veggies regularly.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by hluska on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:16PM (#29802316)
I'm almost entirely plant based and despite this, my child will not go near a vegetable. It's reached a point where I use extra vegetables when I make stocks because she will eat soup, but only if it has meat and no visible vegetables. Putting extra vegetables in the stock likely accomplishes nothing but it makes me feel a little bit better.

I've gone so far as to watch exotic cooking shows on YouTube with her to see if any vegetable dishes or different ways to prepare them are interesting. I deserve a fucking Michelin star with all I've learned about cooking vegetables for her. Despite this, vegetables are bad and "Mmmm actually, kids don't have to eat vegetables."

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by frereubu on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:39PM (#29802621)
You can hide a multitude of vegetables in a blended tomato sauce with paste, or on top of a pizza.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by hluska on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:45PM (#29802686)
You know, you'd think so. Unfortunately, she embodies everything I love(d) about hacker culture in her pursuit of a vegetable free existence. It would be admirable if I didn't really want to feed her a damned vegetable. :)
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by acdha on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:54PM (#29802781)
If it makes you feel better, I knew two people who were both committed foodies (an Italian and the guy who risked a $25k fine smuggling a leg of jamón ibérico through customs before there was a licensed importer), and then their son went through (IIRC) a 5 year stretch where he would not eat almost anything other than Wonderbread and Jif peanut butter. I am not exaggerating: their doctor actually pushed on vitamin supplements to avoid scurvy.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by rfw300 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:46PM (#29803297)
Let it never be said that the creators of the “small child” product don’t have a wicked sense of humor :)
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by Karupan on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:43PM (#29802661)
I’m sure social pressure is a major contributor. If she doesn’t see her friends enjoy veggies or eat them daily, I’m sure she will resist as well.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by syntaxfree on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:44PM (#29804359)
I have a 9mo and we don’t cook usually so we’re feeding him industrialized baby foods (slowly introducing eggs, alphabet noodles, etc. His appetite is growing crazy fast and baby food isn’t cheap…)

What is “stock”?

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by jounker on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @10:06PM (#29804524)
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by Jenk on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:11PM (#29802254)
Typically "vegetables" are synonymous with "the boring vegetables" when it comes to convincing kids to eat them. They'll jam in the mash potato like it's going out of fashion, but the kale/cabbage gets funny looks and derision.

I try to get creative with my vegetables so that not only my kids eat them more, but so do I.

and by creative I mean "add lots of different flavours, herbs, and spices to mask their otherwise dullness to make them exciting"

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by medstrom on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:36PM (#29802589)
Using the adjective "dullness" is unimaginable to me. All the vegs I've ever fried were delicious. No spices, all I need is butter and salt. How are you folks preparing those vegs?
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by Jenk on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:12PM (#29802945)
Fried vegetables are quite unusual here (UK). We boil, steam, or roast them mostly.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by jlokier on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @03:58AM (#29806710)
I have a vegetarian adult friend who doesn't like to eat vegetables. They eat things that contain vegetables, such as grilled/baked veggie burgers, but dislike things which are obvious vegetables.

Personally I love them and will happily eat a meal consisting of nothing else, but as I eat a lot of takeout food due to my work setup, it's surprisingly difficult to get a dish full of good vegetables that way.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by jasonhansel on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @09:47PM (#29804385)
The refusal to eat vegetables is, in fact, a known regression introduced during a recent bugfix intended to prevent the intake of toxic plant matter. Not all models received the bugfix that causes this problem; unfortunately, for those affected, workarounds will continue to be necessary for the foreseeable future.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by mpmpmpmp on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @12:33AM (#29805525)
I realize the satire, but honestly the best thing we ever did was have a vegetable garden. She started eating random vegetables from the garden when she went outside to play and it's been a breeze to get her to love vegetables in meals since. Really feel lucky about that one!
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by albrewer on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @10:47AM (#29810391)
Ah, the main "eat vegetables" interface is actually emergent behavior driven by three different interfaces: the "parental mimicry" interface, the "repeated exposure" interface, and the fuel sampling system's feedback to the main processor. If the first two systems are repeatedly engaged with one particular desired food item, the third system will eventually acclimate to the new fuel source and learn to accept it. A word of caution, though - not all fuel samplers are the same, and some models will always reject particular inputs.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by clarkbw on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:59AM (#29808962)
Product Manager here.

This is about customer obsession, relentlessly following the needs of our audience. I know the engineers are always complaining that without vegetables we'll create significant tech debt but there's no time for that right now. Maybe next quarter. The customer wants desert and the customer should get it.

While I admit this current strategy does not directly lead to a health business, we're aiming for scale right now and scale up is what we're gonna do. Did I mention that "stick things in the outlets" is coming next quarter?

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by account-5 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:50PM (#29801960)
Someone deployed the "public punch in the balls and run off laughing" feature on mine. I can even get rid of it, I was told I needed to keep it longer than 4 years. The "throw trantum when not allowed to eat broken glass" feature is really annoying.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @04:17PM (#29800658)
> unfurl entire toilet paper roll

That reminds me of one ours pulling the film out of three 35mm film canisters.

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by jiggunjer on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:40PM (#29803235)
And mine pulling dental floss out of the container.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @04:34PM (#29800860)
I can't remember the last time I needed a postage stamp, but I have a strong memory of my then 3 year-old proudly showing the book he had decorated with the roll of "stickers" he found!
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by schwartzworld on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @06:24PM (#29802433)
A lot of times if your unit won't accept vegetables, there may be less space in it than you think. Data moves into the trash slowly, and if there isn't enough storage, it will reject the veggies. Give it an hour and try again.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by whoomp12342 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @03:46PM (#29814686)
There is a good workaround for the "eat vegetables" feature that so many desire. Introduce the french style "3 course meals".

Always start with the vegetable course, if the child is hungry, they will eat the vegetibles. Keep other courses out of sight, otherwise it leads to distraction. Then the next course is something filling. This tends to improve performance metrics and overall ability to function. Finally the third course is something they really enjoy eating(desert)

Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by bentcorner on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @07:38PM (#29803208)
Classic Innovator's Dilemma. The existing older model has mastery of several different features but adding unrelated features to the model is time consuming and expensive. Adding these features to the newer smaller models is much easier. Often times the older units are completely unaware of the capabilities of the newer ones.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by collin128 on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @10:23PM (#29804670)
Workaround - I tried installing the gem "bribery" but it only works intermittently and often fails silently.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by xwdv on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @05:30PM (#29801655)
Food should never be a reward to a child. Offer something else.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by allannienhuis on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @08:23PM (#29803664)
Along the same lines, pushing kids to eat everything on their plate can result in serious food/eating disorders, training them to ignore their 'full' feeling.
Re:The UX on this small child is terrible by titusblair on Tuesday January 04, 2022 @04:14PM (#29800630)
LOL!!