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Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by xyzelement on Saturday February 13, 2021 @08:23PM (#26128808)
This reminded - I noticed a while ago that being a computer science guy makes me think differently about physical storage and retrieval.

For example - my wife likes "shorts" to be in one drawer and "t-shirts" in another. I like for one drawer to be "workout clothes" and have the mix of gym shorts and t-shirts. To me this feels "obviously" right because the use-case requires both items so why pay for two costly "open drawer" IOs?

Similarly, she is very organized with her paper files, I just throw mine into a box. In the rare event I need something (eg when doing taxes) I don't mind scanning through the whole mess. Seems like a better strategy than making each "write" costly (neatly organizing) since writes are frequent and reads are rare.

Anyone else like that?

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by montenegrohugo on Saturday February 13, 2021 @08:54PM (#26128963)
Your first example could have a different explanation, assuming she is the one that more often does the laundry. Ordering clothes by type is cognitively easy: a shirt is a shirt, shorts are shorts. When you have a stack of freshly washed clothes, sorting them according to type is so trivial it is a thoughtless process.

However, sorting according to use case is more involved. For each piece of clothing in the clothes pile, the clothes organizer must think of how this particular piece of cloth is used. Is this just an old t-shirt? Or is this particular old t-shirt out of favor with my husband and so he uses it for his workout? Or should it go in the pyjama t-shirts pile?

So writes seem to be much more costly (cognitively) when organizing clothes according to usage rather than type (if these clothes are not your own in which case determining their usage does seem trivial), and your wife may be optimizing for it (again, see initial assumption)

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by Taniwha on Sunday February 14, 2021 @12:37AM (#26129978)
I think that if you want your own classification you have to put away your own laundry ...
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by ComputerGuru on Sunday February 14, 2021 @12:14PM (#26134043)
Why are you bringing this toxicity into it? OP didn’t say anything about who does the laundry. They could be each doing their own or he could be doing it for both of them - it’s entirely besides the point of how they prefer the clothes sorted.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by ItsMattyG on Sunday February 14, 2021 @01:16PM (#26134638)
The original comment was assuming his partner more often did the laundry, which could explain the difference...
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by chaboud on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:23PM (#26129666)
Personal optimization schemes fall apart when we have to interoperate with others, just like in system architectures.

Think about the cognitive load of your spouse when you decide how a system should work.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by ancient_art on Monday February 15, 2021 @10:32AM (#26143629)
I do both and I order the clothes most times.

Clothes I can use in multiple situations (like a pair of jeans or normal t-shirts) are grouped together but I also use "use-case-drawers" (like sports or outside work clothes).

My girlfriend (no tech background) uses a more seperated system (work t-shirts are not sorted to work pants) but still seperated by use-case (normal pants /= work pants).

I guess it's up to everyones own preferences then..

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by xyzelement on Saturday February 13, 2021 @10:49PM (#26129506)
Reasonable analysis. In the case of my wife, it's a matter of what she believes is right (shirts go together because they are shirts) not of expediency of any of the operations :)
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by extropic-engine on Sunday February 14, 2021 @06:36AM (#26131492)
ok but the real question for everyone here is do y’all put your leggings in your sock drawer or with your bras/underwear
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by noisy_boy on Sunday February 14, 2021 @12:59AM (#26130057)
I thought of doing the "writes" as per the use case as having to denormalize the "record" first which is extra work from insert point of view (but optimized for "fetch" - the entire dataset of shirt+pant is right there) - that is not how they come out of the washing machine. They come out normalized as "shirt" "pant" which is optimum for inserts. So if she doing the laundry, her method is the least effort for her.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by rlayton2 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:14PM (#26129620)
When folding the washing, I don't make sure the t-shirts / pants / etc are the "right way out", reducing the already heavy burden on the folding server, and pushing that work onto the less heavily burdened clients.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by wnoise on Saturday February 13, 2021 @09:32PM (#26129146)
I know someone who is similar with the paper files, but lazily sorts them when she needs to retrieve something, so the full scan only happens at most once.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by dkubb on Saturday February 13, 2021 @09:50PM (#26129222)
This is pretty efficient. She lazily sorts them on first access. They are stored in a thunk and then lazily evaluates them. After that repeated access is efficient.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by xen2xen1 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:41PM (#26129738)
Even better is to scan and pitch what you can during the scan, then file what's left. Scanning for computer search is awesome.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by ComputerGuru on Sunday February 14, 2021 @12:15PM (#26134055)
What do you use? I have an awesome document scanner but Acrobat Pro takes like ten seconds a side to OCR with a ridiculously single-threaded process that ends up taking minutes to finish even short documents on a monster workstation.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by captaincrisp on Sunday February 14, 2021 @04:01PM (#26136227)
Not the person your question was to, but: I use Paperless myself, but Mayan EDMS is another option. OCR kinda sucks as a rule, but it's better than the big ol' firesafe I used to have.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by kranner on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:18PM (#26129642)
> Similarly, she is very organized with her paper files, I just throw mine into a box. In the rare event I need something (eg when doing taxes) I don't mind scanning through the whole mess. Seems like a better strategy than making each "write" costly (neatly organizing) since writes are frequent and reads are rare.

This is why I have given up trying to organise my downloaded papers and books by subject. It's faster to search through them when I have a term in mind.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by hunter2_ on Sunday February 14, 2021 @09:13AM (#26132530)
This reminds me of the days before "Downloads" folders were provided by OSes for use by browsers, and one would need to select a destination for every file at download time. I think macOS got it right with the "stack" widget (truncated listing of the Downloads folder sorted by date).
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by madaxe_again on Sunday February 14, 2021 @02:36AM (#26130411)
My wife keeps on reorganising my toolboxes and it’s driving me nuts. She ends up organising the contents by colour, or by size, so now I find my woodworking chisels in a box with filter spanners and solder (the soldering irons are in the box with glue and mallets). It’s driving me crazy, but she won’t stop, and gets mad at me when I can’t find stuff because “it’s organised”.

Different people have different minds. I group by function and efficiency of use - she by colour or shape, as she doesn’t know what half the tools are. My organisation looks chaotic but I know exactly where everything is, and I know that the tools I’ll need for a given task will all be in the same box.

Now, I have to haul everything out, rummage, have an argument, get called an idiot. So much better.

A crap bowl would be illegal here. Everything must go back in its place, no matter how inconvenient that place is.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by xyzelement on Sunday February 14, 2021 @07:36AM (#26131872)
The key at least for me is to recognize that my wife's desire to clean and organize is a huge net positive for my life, with things like you just described being relatively small side effects.

Here's how I manage it. One important thing is to label anything that's messy and needs to remain that way "a work in progress.". It indicates to the wife that (a) you care about neatness and (b) there's an end in sight.

The other thing is to claim areas. Sounds like tools are your domain - have you discussed that maybe you should just be in charge of that one small part of your life? :)

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by tlavoie on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:47AM (#26163463)
Oh my, do I get this. My wife has worked for years as a professional organizer, so she definitely has an idea for How Things Should Be Done.

That way is not mine however. I've been known to have something much like Shitbowl as a system, except I called it my "sedimentary filing system." It has layers, like a parfait, and very much an LRU cache.

She likes things to be away, which to me, is not always having them usable. Sometimes, things that are stashed out of sight are less than accessible when I decide I want them.

Different strokes I guess. After nigh on thirty years, I'm somewhat tidier, while she has become more tolerant of a bit of disorder.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by cameronh90 on Sunday February 14, 2021 @09:38PM (#26138451)
"it’s driving me nuts"

At least you can find the nut drivers. ;)

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by BostonEnginerd on Sunday February 14, 2021 @08:33AM (#26132244)
Sounds like the 5S auditors have invaded your workspace!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by chrisan on Sunday February 14, 2021 @09:09AM (#26132499)
Kinda?

Workout clothes make sense, these are things that get sweaty and I don't want to sort through all my t-shirts and underwear to find a wicking ones. And fancy clothes (wedding/funeral) go together so I can just open the closet bag and have my suit, shirt, tie, and dress socks all there - one "go bag" for each suit color (black, blue, grey) with shoes below.

However, everything else is interchangeable throughout the year.

For paper, there is some basic sorting I'll do. Pets, cars, home, and tax related items. I just put the new piece at the end of the folder which is hardly any 'write cost' and makes for a much easier read later if the need arises. Besides taxes where I just need all of the papers, most of the time the thing I need to reference is near the end

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by BLKNSLVR on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:21PM (#26129659)
I have a sports drawer: t-shirts, shorts, ankle braces.

Other t-shirts hung in wardrobe and a separate drawer for other shorts.

Paper files: chucked into a tray haphazardly after being attended to. Sorted into filling cabinet once tray is full (which it is now and arguably has been for a month or two).

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by m463 on Sunday February 14, 2021 @12:00AM (#26129830)
I'm reminded of cars, which are designed for assembly. They are easy to put together and they're put together in layers.

Same with your clothes, designed for laundry. (defined by laundry?) easier to have bins for socks, and underwear and pants and shirts. they wash in one batch. Easier to load the socks drawer all at once.

But not as easy to find everything when you're getting dressed.

That said, I have two kinds of toolsets.

generic - all the tools in one chest - drawer for pliers, anothers for screwdrivers, ratchets, sockets, etc

project-specific - near my computer I have phillips 2,1,0,00,000 and a keypuller and a paperclip.

row order vs column order I guess. array of structures, structure of arrays.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by 9dev on Sunday February 14, 2021 @03:51AM (#26130699)
I spend my whole work day figuring out those problems but not once got the idea to apply them to organising my personal life. Questioning a lot of decisions now...
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by chronolitus on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:21PM (#26126439)
The idea is pretty good, but misses the mark. Bitcoin has shown that decentralization is a bad idea. What people actually want is Sharebowl: a single bowl, the size of oregon, that you can trust to keep your valuables safe.

We plan an ICO by 2022, IPO by 2023, and IBS[1] by next week.

[1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/irritable-bow...

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by crazygringo on Saturday February 13, 2021 @10:53PM (#26129523)
No, a single centralized bowl carries massive risk. What happens when it goes down? Do you even trust the SLA? What about privacy?

What we need is Peerbowl: a network of millions of bowls interconnected via an interdimensional wormhole.

We're in the last stages of ironing out all the kinks. Race conditions have resulted in a few lost fingers but also some extra tentacles which users report are surprisingly handy! Stay tuned for our IPO*.

* Interplanetary Public Offering

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by mikewarot on Sunday February 14, 2021 @03:30AM (#26130603)
You mean an EnderChest? ;-)
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by nottrobin on Sunday February 14, 2021 @05:41AM (#26131173)
Haha love the simplicity of "bitcoin has shown decentralisation is a bad idea". No whiff of a justification, just a straightforward statement of fact. A masterclass in empty marketing. This company knows their shit.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by gorgoiler on Sunday February 14, 2021 @12:03AM (#26129844)
Where does dogebowl fit into this, other than to start a pronunciation war?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by CRConrad on Monday February 15, 2021 @07:16AM (#26142008)
In Venice, of course.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by kderbyma on Sunday February 14, 2021 @12:33AM (#26129955)
dogebowl is a known pump and dump by the meme bowlers
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by tailspin2019 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:12PM (#26126985)
Bravo
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by hda2 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @09:51PM (#26129225)
I'm a bit late to the bitcoin game (and gearing up to accept bitcoin payments in an upcoming project) so excuse me if my question is trivial, but how does bitcoin show that decentralization is a bad idea?

Aside from energy consumption and stability, bitcoin seems like a resounding success to outsiders like me.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by chaboud on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:28PM (#26129689)
Wooosh!

That’s the sound of a joke flying overhead.

Decentralization is a feature. As with most features, it has technical and behavioral costs. In the case of Bitcoin, this cost is an enormous computational and environmental burden. However, I’m pretty sure that this commenter was joking.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by aarondf on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:59PM (#26125247)
Why is this a product? I could implement this myself in a weekend with a few open source libraries.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by jrockway on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:13PM (#26127934)
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Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by hda2 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @09:57PM (#26129247)
Please cease and desist from infringing on our intellectual property (we sell spoons which your product rips off).

We expect you to contact us within 5 business days to settle the outstanding licensing fees you owe us as a result of your infringement.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by myself248 on Sunday February 14, 2021 @12:56AM (#26130045)
Anyone else here from the Knockoff Prusa channel?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by encom on Sunday February 14, 2021 @09:23AM (#26132607)
Unregistered HyperCam 2
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by qwantim1 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:12PM (#26125361)
I use junk drawers, which scale to available drawers, after which you buy more storage or a larger house.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by arcticbull on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:31PM (#26125505)
Personally, I farm to work out to the cloud.

I simply purchase whatever I need, have it delivered to an Amazon locker nearby, and then when I’m done with it I throw it out and order a new one.

The most frequently used ones are always at the locker and the least frequently used one is automatically returned for a refund. The cache miss is approximately two days.

It’s expensive, but you can’t beat the fact that it scales to a practically unlimited degree.

I call it “bowl-less” caching.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by darkteflon on Saturday February 13, 2021 @07:21PM (#26128430)
Man, it really seems like bowl-less is everywhere these days. This kind of thing is why I rage quit programming and went to live in a Vipassana retreat.

I heard this is extremely expensive for anything non-trivial. People are always like, scale, scale, scale. But 99% of people are not Walmart. KISS, YAGNI, premature optimisation something something.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by ggghhhfff on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:53PM (#26127334)
I’ve heard about the bowl-less design pattern a few weeks ago, excited to hear that it pans out in real world scenarios!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by forty on Saturday February 13, 2021 @05:04PM (#26127415)
"bowl-less" would never work in France. It translates in French to "pas de bol" which also means "bad luck".
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by ARandomerDude on Saturday February 13, 2021 @05:59PM (#26127828)
Still better than bowel-less, a possible misspelling given the context.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by arcticbull on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:45AM (#26133806)
Ah I see you’ve read our no-return policy
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by ftio on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:33PM (#26125520)
Ah yes, the old horizontal scaling technique.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by nicbou on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:44PM (#26125608)
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by rahimiali on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:37PM (#26128119)
Little known fact, the PDP11 had a machine instruction that implemented shitbowls in the cpu. It’s interesting that these days you need ruby, a vm, two layers of package managers and oauth just for a shotbowl. Also, someone should rewrite this in rust.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by spacemanmatt on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:48PM (#26128199)
First time caller, long time listener. With a question! First, upboats. But what I really wanted to know was: does it work under water?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by zikzak on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:10PM (#26125345)
We built this years ago in Clay.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by hda2 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @10:02PM (#26129269)
Clay is unsafe. You should rebuild it again using food grade Resin.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by Taniwha on Sunday February 14, 2021 @12:40AM (#26129992)
Surely Rust is far better than Clay, Resin, and/or constricting snake platforms
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by utf_8x on Sunday February 14, 2021 @06:44AM (#26131551)
Go enterprise, use a coffee cup
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by rexreed on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:46PM (#26127271)
This is clearly a parody. If you don't understand the joke, then the joke's on you.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by ggghhhfff on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:50PM (#26127301)
Parent is joking with the meme of “but I could build this produc myself with open source libraries!”
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by raunakdag on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:59PM (#26127374)
Parent is joking with the meme of “ If you don't understand the joke, then the joke's on you.”

;)

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by fisherjeff on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:47PM (#26127278)
> If you don't understand the joke, then the joke's on you.

Completely agree

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by Black101 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:51PM (#26127312)
I'm not sure who is kidding... you or the parent comment.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by rexreed on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:57PM (#26127358)
That's part of the circular nature of the parody. Maybe I'm an investor and this will be the next "Yo" app.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by EdStanyer on Saturday February 13, 2021 @07:11PM (#26128367)
//just popping down the shop, need anything? while (yourout){getsomemilk;} //LOLZ
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by _Microft on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:46AM (#26124628)
Rust is what distinguishes this competitor's product. I am not sure how Shitbowl ensures ownership of stored items.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bb/8d/c6/bb8dc61f7bc93b996c71...

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by tailspin2019 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:51AM (#26124666)
To enable Sharding: throw your shitbowl against the wall.

NB: Cached items will be need to be reindexed once sharding has been enabled.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by spacemanmatt on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:50PM (#26128218)
ShitBox has had sharts since like version 2.4
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by txtsd on Sunday February 14, 2021 @07:23AM (#26131789)
> sharts
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by detaro on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:53AM (#26124682)
If you have a glass one you can even shard the bowl!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by chronolitus on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:51PM (#26126782)
The bowl flew right over this commenter's head
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by tailspin2019 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:07PM (#26125323)
Um. Yeah. Thanks for explaining my joke :-)
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by detaro on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:13PM (#26125367)
whops ;) I read it as "spread the contents around widely" == sharding at first
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by tailspin2019 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:14PM (#26127003)
Equally valid.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by bookmarkable on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:26PM (#26124961)
This kind of sarcastic social critique well designed site reminds of better times for the Internet... before the dark times... before Facebook.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by alex_young on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:34PM (#26125026)
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by jonnycomputer on Saturday February 13, 2021 @10:24PM (#26129364)
Wow, from that era, but never encountered this (did not Usenet much though).

Still, maybe this kind of staggered onboarding into forums isn't that bad of an idea. Its not like a site couldn't enforce it. Sign up to join. Get email indicating when participation begins.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by andrewprock on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:43PM (#26125094)
On the flip side this is a real process that essentially works. The book "Algorithms to Love By" decides a chapter to solutions to meat space retrieval problems.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by nemosaltat on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:00PM (#26125255)
I’m pretty sure you mean “Algorithms to _Live_ By”- but I love the typo, since one anecdotes involves using CS/mathematical principles (secretary problem) to find an optimal romantic partner. Enjoyable read for sure!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by andrewprock on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:25PM (#26125976)
Lol! That's what I get for using my phone :D
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by chrisweekly on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:11PM (#26126356)
ATLB is such an awesome book.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by forgotmypw17 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:05PM (#26125811)
you may like my site then :)
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by naiveai on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:24PM (#26125458)
Oh no! The Internet is more easily accessible providing more knowledge and access to millions worldwide! It's not limited to our extremely exclusive clique of 1337 hackers who also all happen to be white, college-educated American men!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by RGamma on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:59PM (#26125753)
Well with its relentless commercialisation it also brought in loads of trash tier entertainment, splintered attention, intense bubblification and collective amnesia for a significant part of its userbase.

All the potential for good that made users so enthusiastic (as we now know: over-enthusiastic) about it until the early 00s (maybe 10s) still exist, it's just big tech and other businesses have hijacked the community-driven governance and narrative for private gains.

All the cool ((internet) cultural, but not necessarily technical) stuff that existed and exists... you'd never find out about it today if you weren't there and already know what to look for (and even then search result quality has gone down the drain due to massive spam. Not that you can reasonably filter search results to not include businesses or other SEO spam for instance...). Of course things that don't make money/grab attention eventually are "rationalised away" or forgotten about in this ungodly screaming contest.

Not all is bad; it's just the drop in average quality of substance and intransparency of its gatekeepers that worries me. I always keep my hope that a diverse array of communities continue to exist in which cool things happen on a regular basis. Mainstream social media is not this place though.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by hkt on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:10PM (#26126961)
FWIW, I was one of the clique of 1337 hackers without being American or college educated!

In seriousness, the radicalism of the early internet was great for autodidacts, and I loved it. It shaped me as a person and I still don't have or need a university degree.

The thing that was nice in the past was that it seemed so easy to find other people finding their own path. It was a bit less commercial and a bit more communal. It was a great thing, but communities have a finite capacity for on boarding people. It is easy to squash that, and it was definitely squashed pretty hard as the internet popularised.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by encom on Sunday February 14, 2021 @09:36AM (#26132718)
Neither was I. I was a teenager in Denmark with internet access in the 90's. My family was poor, and I bought a modem with money I earned from my paper route. By most metrics, I was decidedly unprivileged.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by mrzool on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:26PM (#26125468)
You could have, you know, all that good stuff also without Facebook.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by roughly on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:20PM (#26126426)
arguably more easily, since a primary outcome of facebook seems to be to make white college educated american men angry at everyone else
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by SavageBeast on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:00PM (#26124736)
Looks like a nice prototype. In the real world Id like to see some basic provisions for type safety though.

If the last thing used was a half drank rocks glass of tequila the integrity of the entire cache will be threatened.

* they all sound like "stupid problems" till your boss is calling at 3AM because the system is down.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by qwantim1 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:08PM (#26125335)
If your boss is in your house using your shitbowl.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by ftio on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:35PM (#26125541)

  /* The PM says this 100% will never happen. */
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by twic on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:49PM (#26126166)
If your boss is in your house at 3 AM putting a half drank rocks glass of tequila in your shitbowl.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by slim on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:25PM (#26125973)
your boss sleeps with you
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by SavageBeast on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:33PM (#26126050)
You're obviously a Straight Shooter, With Upper Management Written All Over You!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by repsilat on Saturday February 13, 2021 @10:37PM (#26129418)
Yeah I worry about all the enterprise shit you don't think until you need it -- If one bowl goes down, will it fail over to another in a different region? In the case of a network partition, does my wife get my car?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by rriepe on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:07AM (#26124371)
I really wish people wouldn't post stuff like this to HN.

The last bowl bubble was devastating. In 2013 there were literally bowls selling for millions of dollars[1]. My kids didn't eat cereal that year.

Please consider the consequences of your startups. It's "just a landing page" one day but the next, you're ruining lives.

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/business/sothebys-china-bowl/...

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by hobofan on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:16AM (#26124434)
I sincerely hope that the reason you are being downvoted is that people didn't read beyond the first sentence.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by rriepe on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:43AM (#26124606)
The downvotes make it funnier!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by edoceo on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:45PM (#26125112)
The heavy burden of the internet comedian.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by dreamcompiler on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:59PM (#26125252)
I'm working on a quantum version of this. Items placed in the bowl may randomly disappear then reappear in a different quantum bowl somewhere else in the universe.

We have already seeded the market with test prototypes shaped like laundry baskets that are limited to small pieces of cloth footwear. But we hope to scale up to Level 5 Flinging of Massive Objects (FOMO) before the end of the year.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by dvtrn on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:24PM (#26125460)
I hate to break this to you, but they've beaten you to the quantum bowl: I think it was patented some years ago as the "latrine". It has the same properties you describe, similar properties to the OP's "shitbowl" concept, and can quickly deploy artifacts in one button push*.

(Unless your artifact volume exceeds the recommended capacity in the readme, also helps to make sure the pipeline has sufficient capacity for large deploys to efficiently release to the municipal cloud)

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by joezydeco on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:13PM (#26125363)
All Shitbowls possess this feature, it's involved by a simple formula of

(age in bowl x proximity to bottom x urgency of real-time need)

Some items such as padlock keys, unused postage stamps, and nearly expired gift cards will override and invoke a quantum certainty of 1.0 when they are trying to be located.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by tarr11 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:31AM (#26124527)
The LRU cache is flawed as it never discards items and will eventually overflow.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by wffurr on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:51AM (#26124662)
The bowl cache is garbage collected with a stop the world collection step wherein the bowl is upended and the contents returned, the bottom cleaned, and a few select items pre-seeded in the fresh cache.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by phs on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:30PM (#26125501)
Overflow actually spills off the top. It's MRU!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by sgtnoodle on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:01PM (#26125778)
Yeah, but it spills off onto the table top, which is effectively register space.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by troymc on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:10PM (#26125850)
If you put the s**bowl on top of an old cash register, it overflows into an actual register.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by ogre_codes on Saturday February 13, 2021 @07:50PM (#26128600)
This is solved by purging the cache once a week.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by doodlebugging on Saturday February 13, 2021 @05:22PM (#26127553)
My personal solution is so much more simple than this shitbowl solution and is trivial to implement. I have been using it for years and can personally vouch for it's effectiveness and scalability.

Skip the bowl entirely.

When you finish with something just set it down. It really DOES NOT MATTER WHERE! Honestly.

Set it on a flat surface, under a chair or a pillow, in a depression in your yard. Set it on your neighbor's side of the fence. It is totally irrelevant where you leave it.

Since it is universally true that you always find something in the last place that you look this method that I have employed works perfectly EVERY SINGLE TIME and for objects of any physical description.

It is impossible to lose something if you are willing to spend sufficient time and effort remembering where you put it and revisiting that location.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by pessimizer on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:22PM (#26128009)
Sounds like NoSQL. I've heard it speeds up development.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by yesenadam on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:47PM (#26128184)
I read an much improved version of this, I forget where:

Put things back in the first place you looked, or the first place you would look for it.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by lvs on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:05PM (#26127885)
Do you blog?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by doodlebugging on Saturday February 13, 2021 @09:15PM (#26129074)
No. I post a bit on reddit and HN from time to time.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by rtkwe on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:04AM (#26124353)
Bug report: Item retrieval is not functionally pure and may have side effects on the sorting of items in the bowl.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by Shared404 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:29AM (#26124512)
Bug closed: User error. All items above the desired item must be retrieved and replaced as one bundle.

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Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by exabrial on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:28AM (#26124501)
High constant factor
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by xxpor on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:10AM (#26124395)
This implementation is O(n) on retrieval, rather than O(1) as in the ideal case. Hopefully v2 will optimize that in the near future.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by ThePadawan on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:27AM (#26124493)
I am a competitor of Shitbowl, and my product ("Shitdrawer") solves this issue!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by zikzak on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:23PM (#26125452)
I used to love this product but after a few weeks it started to only make the first 15% of the items available. You then have to use elevated permissions to remove the cached items directly behind these which sometimes results in damage to the items or the operator. Please fix this or I'm going to lower my rating.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by schmorptron on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:43PM (#26125090)
However, while it's true that your product is O(1) even in the worst case, when you look closer it's actually O(1) + O(1) even in the best case, as you have to open the Shitdrawer to even get the the most recently used item. Do you have any solution to this?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by drran on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:14PM (#26125371)
O(1)+O(1) is just O(11). Not a big problem.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by ThePadawan on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:02PM (#26125275)
I would recommend not looking closer!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by sdenton4 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:46PM (#26125114)
Shitfloor?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by james_pm on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:53PM (#26125702)
My kids already invented that. If you want theirs, come ask. Includes unlimited eye rolls and muttering.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by james_pm on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:52PM (#26125691)
Shitdrawer is the Amazon Glacier of Shitbowl. Easy to throw stuff in, generally it stays there very long term.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by sgtnoodle on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:07PM (#26125817)
Shitdrawer also has a more compelling security model, although to be honest shitbowl is more convenient and most people think firewalls are good enough whether or not they have tons of easily opened ports.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by gnfargbl on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:28PM (#26124978)
It is true that it is theoretically O(n) in the worst case, but in my own production deployments I have tended to find a huge skew towards selecting the most recently inserted couple of items. Here the obvious ocular caching optimization leads to O(1) time retrieval.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by harlanji on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:46PM (#26125122)
That’s right. This system has a high hit rate baked in, based on matching the data structure to the real world usage with a predictable set of content classes. Very elegant.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by chapium on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:05PM (#26125305)
O(1) implementation is trivial and implemented by most teenagers bedroom floors.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by sgtnoodle on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:10PM (#26125852)
It depends on how good the hash algorithm is. My 2 year old's method tends to have a lot of collisions near the book shelf and the play kitchen, and I'm starting to think it's nondeterministic...
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by nicolashahn on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:25AM (#26124485)
I think the next version, Shitplate, should have this improvement. Space complexity is worse, though.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by anigbrowl on Saturday February 13, 2021 @07:54PM (#26128619)
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Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by khalilravanna on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:17PM (#26125915)
I’ll wait for the mainstream IOT Shitbowl with Alexa support and an iOS app that destroys my battery life by pinging a server to give me notifications for new shit being added to the bowl.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by OJFord on Saturday February 13, 2021 @08:16PM (#26128758)
I don't particularly want to be 'that guy', and perhaps/probably it's part of the joke ('whoosh') - but 'the LRU items go to the bottom'.. it's MRU? The top item that you take (assuming you're not digging about) is the most recently used, we don't classify queues by what's at the back/bottom?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by Hydraulix989 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @08:19PM (#26128774)
No. LRU is referring to eviction policy (which still isn't accurate since this bowl doesn't have a hole at the bottom).

(I guess I'm 'that guy' now :)

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by OJFord on Sunday February 14, 2021 @03:42AM (#26130668)
Yes, right, sorry, of course. Cache.

I think I got confused because a cache is a fixed length queue where 'take one' means evict, but 'take one' in OP means cache hit (if we're calling it a cache). I'd still prefer to call it an MRU queue (not a cache at all) I suppose.

(With some weird overflow property where it starts evicting MRU after a certain point too...)

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by xmprt on Saturday February 13, 2021 @08:35PM (#26128878)
What's missing is the fact that this is just an L3 cache. There's another L2 shitbowl which picks up all the shit that's even more frequently used.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by caseyw on Saturday February 13, 2021 @08:12PM (#26128733)
I have to say I’ve been using Shitbowl since it’s inception and I’ve never used such a powerful system before.

Up until now I relied on attempting to organize my own shit which lets be honest, was super shitty. Then comes Shitbowl. My wife and in-laws didn’t understand the technology at first but once I really got them to try it they were immediately onboard.

Thanks Shitbowl for making our lives better!

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:34PM (#26127160)
Since I can’t get support from the company, I am posting to HN so that someone from Shitbowl sees my post and responds.

I recently got a Shitbowl and threw some coins in, planning to use them soon. However, the coins ended up at the bottom of the Shitbowl instead of the top. This is definitely a big since it violates LRU. Shitbowl has not responded so far to my complaint.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by jrochkind1 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:55AM (#26124699)
Why is the HN article title obscured with "*"? Does HN have a forbidden words policy?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by fallingfrog on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:27PM (#26125992)
That was me.. I guess I was uncertain about whether it would get flagged if I put a curse word in the title. No deeper agenda there.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by jrochkind1 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:01PM (#26126867)
looks like it has been corrected!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by zczc on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:52PM (#26125692)
"Kitsch is the absolute denial of shit, in both the literal and the figurative senses of the word" ― Milan Kundera, The Unbearable Lightness of Being
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by egypturnash on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:39PM (#26126637)
It’s especially hilarious because the same word is right there in the URL.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by yepthatsreality on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:52PM (#26125182)
Christians. You’re on their time.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by dragonwriter on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:21PM (#26125430)
Linguistic prudishness outside of specifically around violations of the Second Commandment isn't particularly tied to Christianity.

As “shit” is not, even in the broadest Christian interpretation, a name of the Christian God, that doesn't seem to be the basis of any filtering of that word.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by stonogo on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:18PM (#26125929)
Are we now pretending anyone pursues the concept of 'profanity' or defines it as broadly as Puritanical christians? Seems a weird fight to pick, but ok.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by dragonwriter on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:17PM (#26127024)
> Are we now pretending anyone pursues the concept of 'profanity' or defines it as broadly as Puritanical christians?

Literally Puritanical Christians don't exist anymore, it's a defunct sect. Metaphorical puritanism in any sense relevant here isn't restricted to Christians.

And, yes, plenty of groups are at least as opposed to profanity, and define it at least broadly, as any Christian groups (certainly, I've noted Islamic groups that that applies to.) Sure, in, say, the US if you run into this its mostly likely to be from Christians, but that's true of most things because the US is a majority-Christian country.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by imglorp on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:09PM (#26125340)
"See, in our century, we've learned not to fear words."
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by TeMPOraL on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:02PM (#26125785)
That was the 20th century. In 21st, words are weapons.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by imglorp on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:41PM (#26126103)
Is there another reference to this? My quote was Uhura on ST-TOS "Savage Curtain", around 2200 AD(?).
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by TeMPOraL on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:04PM (#26126892)
Ouch. I missed the reference!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by bravoetch on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:00PM (#26126245)
Those ice-cream containers are used in every NZ garage. As someone that used to work at Tip-top, I approve of this container-based approach.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by pokstad on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:05AM (#26124362)
I tried explaining this to my wife with my laundry pile and she wouldn’t buy it.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by dajohnson89 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:06PM (#26124797)
I used this to convince my gf to replace her hideous fake tree decoration with a nice bowl for holding stuff instead. This might be the most useful HN post for me ever.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by jedberg on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:55PM (#26125203)
The problem with the laundry pile LRU is the extreme bitrot of the first items in.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by aldanor on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:57AM (#26124708)
Laundry pile needs random access!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by alpaca128 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:39PM (#26125065)
I don't care about that as long as it efficiently handles the worst-case of the sock tuple matching problem.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by egypturnash on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:42PM (#26126668)
I just implemented a proper cache for unmatched socks this morning! I just got a dresser and dedicated one drawer to socks embedded in a plastic hexagon matrix, with an area on one side for unmatched socks awaiting the re-appearance of their mate on some future laundry day.

It is a slow process but it is very low energy.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by folmar on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:23PM (#26128021)
I can't recommend this. I have already three drawers full of unmatched socks even though nominally they are only in four colours. The socke maker failed to exceed my quality expectations and delivers visibly discernible specimens of the same model in different batches. I'm currently evaluating makers with TQM or Seven Sigma as the ISO quality management is a total failure here.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by egypturnash on Saturday February 13, 2021 @08:44PM (#26128917)
Switching to higher quality socks that have whimsical patterns and are sold in pairs will definitely make for a better experience; matching socks is much easier when it’s a matter of “oh hey the other peacock sock finally showed up” than “these white socks I buy in bulk are actually made by different manufacturers for every batch and exhibit subtle distinctions that must be carefully examined”.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by _Microft on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:22PM (#26125447)
I heard some people prefer the decentralized approach but that it might lead to consensus problems with their significant other.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by tgtweak on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:24PM (#26125456)
Proof of relationship
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by ericzawo on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:55AM (#26124695)
Why are we censoring the name? Is the implication children read HN?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by dijksterhuis on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:28PM (#26124986)
Some folks could be at work so might have been a good idea to avoid swearwords on the front/submit page.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by gpanders on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:39PM (#26125064)
But then it’s right there in the URL, so I don’t think this actually solves anything
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by dijksterhuis on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:18PM (#26125923)
Whoever submitted it might just be trying to do a decent and responsible thing (the URLs aren't filtered by HN). I'd rather that than the whole front page filled with expletive laden titles every day.

Not the submitter through so this is all speculation and conjecture and not particularly relevant to the joke anyway.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by xwdv on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:19PM (#26124889)
I cache my shoes by leaving the ones I wear frequently by the door ready to be put on. The ones I access less will go in the closet and the ones used very infrequently will go to the storage unit for glacial level storage.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by exabrial on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:29AM (#26124506)
Doesn't support Node or JSON. This is stupid.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by jimnotgym on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:07PM (#26127894)
I can't help feeling that what this bowl is really missing is machine learning.

By profiling an individual using their online behaviour, and using only a small cluster, we could produce a prediction of what objects should be sorted to the top of the bowl. Simple IOT connectivity could then tell if the right objects are near the top and send push notifications to your phone. These would warn you that what you thought you wanted next was not what your social network would have wanted.

Altogether a much simpler solution

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by dmje on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:30PM (#26127131)
That requires ShitStack
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by powerbroker on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:44PM (#26128163)
Shitbowl v2.0: Adds a well that extends to the center of the earth

Shitbowl v3.0: Adds a multi-tiered dumbwaiter, that makes retrieval and storage to center of the earth a snap;

Shitbowl v4.0: Adds a reciprocal well that extends to the antipode of the earth, and allows users, so-situated, to borrow from their counterpart, least-used items of the counterpart, Uber-style.

Shitbowl v5.0: Implements a heat-hardened round-house router to universally exchange least-used items, near the earth's core

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by moron4hire on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:51PM (#26127314)
I don't see what's wrong with continuing to use shitfloor. It's worked well for me for years. I know some people complain about breaking their things or sharp pain in their feet (aka Plantar Harming Poop) when they step on them, but I've learned to be careful about that. And I don't have any friends anyway, so I never have to worry about someone coming over who hasn't learned to live with shitfloor.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by sanj on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:53PM (#26125706)
And people laugh when I refer to the drawer next to the stove as an L1 cache!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by dboreham on Saturday February 13, 2021 @09:09PM (#26129040)
You're lucky they laugh.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by charliewallace on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:14PM (#26127942)
True story - I just used this principle to re-org my closet, a perfect pandemic thing to do. All the most recently used, still-clean-enough garments are placed at the end easiest to reach, the level one cache. Rarely used items are at the other end, the long-term storage, while in between is the L2 cache. On laundry day the L1 cache gets flushed...
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by Waterluvian on Saturday February 13, 2021 @09:58PM (#26129250)
My Shitbowl biases towards larger objects. Anyone else getting this bug?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by imhoguy on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:06AM (#26124367)
Nah, not Internet connected and no mobile app to control it.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by pca006132 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:15AM (#26124425)
We should attach some IoT sensors and stream user behavior back to our server, either forward the data to the vendor of your item and let them provide some support[1], or do some machine learning for credit assessment[2]. And this could be called the world's first smart in-home physical caching device.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26114194

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26119312

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by Shared404 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:21AM (#26124461)
Could we possibly use blockchain to track the state of each item?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by dna_polymerase on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:41AM (#26124596)
I see you took out the car keys. Drive to your closest Shell now for a 2% fuel discount.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by Nextgrid on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:50AM (#26124656)
Don't forget adding some blinking lights or beeps to drive "engagement" in case the user doesn't engage with the bowl for more than a couple hours.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by tetha on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:19PM (#26125416)
> no backdoor access for federal agencies

Tragically, I have to strongly doubt this is secure against the almighty warrant-backdoor for physical security. And once they have their hands on the bowl, the content is freely accessible.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by rkagerer on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:41PM (#26125586)
KOHLER sh*tbowls are harder to implement but you can flush the cache.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by oarsinsync on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:16PM (#26124869)
Tragically, with uMatrix installed and default configuration, no images load, because external third party JS is needed just to load an image.

A parody that plays itself a little too well, sadly.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by rhn_mk1 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:16PM (#26125396)
Works for me, third party image host only.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by JustARandomGuy on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:24PM (#26124939)
Well done. It took me a moment to understand the joke but then I laughed hard. You should consider putting an actual store in there, I’m sure some sales would convert.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by sitkack on Saturday February 13, 2021 @05:14PM (#26127468)
I signed up for their beta, and have been using Shitbowl® for about 6 months and the results have been amazing. I can't recommend it enough.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by allenrb on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:07PM (#26125321)
Mine keeps throwing Overflow. How can I open a bug?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by thomasmg on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:52PM (#26126187)
No, you should not open up the bugs. They show up because they do an organic search, e.g. for apple products. Simply close that source, then the bugs will disappear.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by willis936 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:11PM (#26125358)
It’s a feature, not a bug. This problem is outside the scope of this project and the issue should be filed upstream.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by annoyingnoob on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:39PM (#26125062)
I thought this was a last-in-first-out stack?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by adrianmonk on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:02PM (#26126274)
It's actually a self-organizing list with the move-to-front method:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organizing_list

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by DavidPeiffer on Saturday February 13, 2021 @05:50PM (#26127743)
Thanks for linking! Now I know the name for my strategy in my spice cabinet. Most recently used spices go on the right, slowly moving to the left with lack of use.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by annoyingnoob on Saturday February 13, 2021 @05:05PM (#26127420)
I suppose the shitbowl supports some amount of concurrency and some times O(1) access to more than just the last item.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by 1970-01-01 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:49PM (#26126162)
I'm going to scale this with Rust and MongoDB. Do you have any advice before we spend millions on a prototype?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by soheil on Saturday February 13, 2021 @07:11PM (#26128370)
What prevents Google from creating its own version of this product one day and destroying yours in the process?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by mikewarot on Sunday February 14, 2021 @03:34AM (#26130623)
Long ago, I wrote a version of this for OS/2, in Assembler... called Forth/2.

There is an interesting parallel idea where you get a large set of nesting tupperware containers, and enclose items in between the ( <-- bottom and lid ---> ) I heard about it from uncle John McCarthy.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by davidschw4rz on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:02AM (#26124343)
Very good idea, great potential for being the next unicorn! Be sure to hire a growth hacker. /s
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by Nextgrid on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:51AM (#26124668)
As I mentioned in another comment, this product absolutely needs some lights or a buzzer to drive "engagement" in case the user doesn't "engage" with the bowl for more than a few hours.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by elliottkember on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:15PM (#26125382)
Tip Top ice cream is a dead giveaway that this is a New Zealand product. Also very good ice cream.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by isoprophlex on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:10AM (#26124396)
But does it have a browser built in? Can I use it to tweet while I search for my keys?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by jonnycomputer on Saturday February 13, 2021 @10:26PM (#26129374)
Pull request pending forever. Ugh. The project is great, but the culture is terrible.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by almost_usual on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:37AM (#26124560)
Need a segmented cache to keep out items only accessed once.

Really this bowl needs 2Q instead of LRU.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by theginger on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:11AM (#26124399)
Critical dos vulnerable. It cannot recover from being repeatedly hit with a hammer
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by glitchc on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:36PM (#26125045)
Can only be operated in a high trust environment —-SMH—-
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by mwolfhoffman on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @01:48PM (#26157300)
I tried installing the node modules but am getting an error "Cannot find module yargs'". Running webpack version 5.22.0 and webpack-cli 4.5.0. Any idea how I can get this project running?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by pnwhyc on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @05:10PM (#26159400)
This is a known bug in projects generated with `create-shitbowl-app`. You may need to clear the cache and upgrade to the latest version of the S6L framework
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by krylon on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:54PM (#26126201)
I think I was having a cultural impedance mismatch, I was expecting something toilet-related. Now I am both relieved and disappointed, so there goes my weekend. ;-P
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by secondcoming on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:24PM (#26124944)
If I put a Docker container in it will it scale seamlessly?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by nicbou on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:42PM (#26125593)
You can use a bigger shitbowl instance, but at this point you might just want to deploy a few of them on a shitshelf cluster. However if you're hitting size limits with only two users, you should tackle the root cause instead of throwing more hardware at it.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by TeMPOraL on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:03PM (#26125796)
The way it's designed, you want to ship a container of shitbowls, not a shitbowl of shipping containers.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by madamelic on Saturday February 13, 2021 @01:42PM (#26125594)
I think you should add machine learning to v2.

LRU is a decent algorithm but it would be much effective if Shitbowl could learn my routines and re-organize as needed.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by aetilley on Saturday February 13, 2021 @07:49PM (#26128599)
This actually reminded me of

http://www.mysmalt.com/

But I don't think the latter is satire...

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by iujjkfjdkkdkf on Saturday February 13, 2021 @08:09PM (#26128721)
Ok, I am having a really hard time figuring out if that's serious or not. I watched the video and it was ridiculous, but it all seems to be done with a straight face. But maybe a school project or something? It's from 2017 so I assume they are now defunct, however it originated.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by CRConrad on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:24PM (#26145498)
We live in an age where it's impossible to tell satire from reality. I clicked through to both "About" and "Blog," but am none the wiser for it. (Didn't dare to click "Pre-order" in case it were for real.)
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by elyobo on Sunday February 14, 2021 @06:19AM (#26131380)
This was more or less (same reasoning, but not explicitly presented as a caching algorithm) how I justified the state of my room as a teenager.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by hrishi on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:16AM (#26124427)
As always, a Bloom filter can improve search times.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by iujjkfjdkkdkf on Saturday February 13, 2021 @08:19PM (#26128777)
No wifi, less space than a junk drawer, lame.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by dmje on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:28PM (#26127112)
We’ve gone large in our house with ShitCupboard (tm), a much bigger deployment of roughly the same framework
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by tdy721 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:19PM (#26127041)
I’ve been calling them squirrel spots.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by spacemanmatt on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:52PM (#26128236)
I built a multi-tenant version of this for my office and am now retiring on them fat royalty checks. AMA
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by 867-5309 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:32PM (#26126563)
if you're going to name it that, surely you'd have to flush the cache after every input
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by alex_young on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:18PM (#26124881)
Any advice on implementing HyperLogLog on this? I’d really like to avoid map reduce if possible.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by snissn on Saturday February 13, 2021 @12:54PM (#26125200)
oh i thought this was going to be a lot grosser and ahhaha i'm not even sure why i clicked
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by the_arun on Saturday February 13, 2021 @05:47PM (#26127725)
This looks like a stack to me instead of LRU Cache :). Am I missing something?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by FPGAhacker on Saturday February 13, 2021 @05:52PM (#26127763)
Yes, you can retrieve items that aren’t on the top.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by prtk25 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:46PM (#26126139)
What a time to be alive!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by blunte on Saturday February 13, 2021 @07:45PM (#26128567)
The humor is strong with this one.

This is a welcome laugh during tedious times.

Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by solanav on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:03AM (#26124349)
In-home physical cache... Such an smart observation! Love it!
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by arbirk on Saturday February 13, 2021 @09:15PM (#26129072)
I need a proper white paper before even considering the idea
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by MetalGuru on Saturday February 13, 2021 @05:11PM (#26127454)
More like a shit stack
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by marcodiego on Saturday February 13, 2021 @09:24PM (#26129108)
LRU? Looks more like a stack or heap to me.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by poxwole on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:45PM (#26126134)
You could probably get it funded
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by sitzkrieg on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:22PM (#26125959)
tip top cant keep getting away with it
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by leoc on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:38PM (#26127194)
Chamber pots. You've invented chamber pots.
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by s314159265358 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:27PM (#26127102)
This is a joke right?
Re:Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical ca... by EdStanyer on Saturday February 13, 2021 @07:20PM (#26128421)
If the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail. I'm sure the OP isn't really proposing to market the shit bowl as a receptacle for putting things in with the added feature of MRU at the top. However if this takes off I'm going to market the utterly shit drawer that instantly sucks the most recently used power supply or charging cable to the bottom.