He can't fuck anyone except his wife?

Remember that most politicians and other rich people can fuck minors without consequences.

I'm kind of bemused by this "But Epstein" defence. No one thinks that's a good thing! Seriously, is that how we run society, if we can point to any grievous failure of justice we just suspend all further rules? No. Of course not.

The chips he wanted to sell direct to China?

A world in which Kings rule, and peasants defend their depraved way of life.

I really hope that you are a bot from a PR firm, because it his hard to image people being so servile to power.

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> defend their depraved way of life.

How about it's none of our business what happens in other people's bedrooms. For all we know his wife was fine with it or maybe she wasn't. Either way, not my business.

If she was, he wouldn't have apologized, he would have defended his open relationship.

Come on, think before you comment

It's a public document; the reasons he published it aren't even likely to include whatever relationship he has with his wife.

Because it's a matter of national security.

And because he deals with foreign governmennts and should know better being of Chinese origin that the Chinese are known to use such honeypots?

I am not talking about the news. But about the people defending the cheating.

The news are not that he cheated but he cheated "... with a Chinese spy". And the post is not even about the news but an official release from Nvidia!

I do not even know anymore what is your point? Are you just asking people to stop caring about what billionaires do? Are you trying to protect the image of a billionaire for some weird reason? I do not get how do you fail to just read the news or the actual press release from Nvidia.

OC says Huang is a victim. For real?

Owner and CEO of a TOP 3 company by market cap.

At that point he's not a private person, his actions have global consequences (his wife, kids most likely still are private persons, that's true, but I don't know about them).

He's in an incredible position of power against the majority of world leaders, but he's apparently "a victim" in an eyes of HN oligarch apologetic crowd?! Because he was allegedly seduced by Chinese spy? What in the sinophobia and oligarchophilia is this?

If Huang wouldn't be of ultra-billionaire class and the woman would truly is a spy - he would be in prison for treason in a heart beat. I can bet - nothing will happen and by next Monday this all will be forgotten, washed by best PR firms he can buy.

Also note that his wife and children are victims of his unfaithful actions. He is the only one responsible for that - he just said so himself.

We should really stop with this "just think of the children" knee-jerk

From the horse's mouth:

>> My actions hurt her and our children.

Parents (or "equals") can hurt and and disappoint others at any age - including adults.

I don't know why you seem to be so against considering Jensen's children. Some people really value the commitments of marriage and see adultery as something very serious and damaging.

There are so many other children in the world that deserve consideration before his (grown adult, very rich) children.

Jensen should be apologizing to Americans for compromising NatSec.

Why? National Security is not in his job description.

If you’re trying to distribute aid resources or something, it would be worthwhile to get an understanding of who is suffering the most. But if someone is just having the normal human experiencing of feeling sorry for a person who’s being hurt, there is no benefit to intentionally cultivating schadenfreude to shut that down.

If this is your attitude then you should just never get married in the first place. At the very least you owe it to a partner that expects a real commitment.

For one, there's no custody case. There's often also no child support (some jurisdictions extend it to college students) to speak of.

There's really mostly the sorrow of the parent who was cheated on.

I notice quite a few people worry more about the financial implications (nVidia's stock price) than the ethical ones.

So, they are not allowed to be upset if daddy decided to cheat on their mommy after long marriage with some chinese honeypot? I hope you are not planning on start your own family any time soon

"Think of the children" is a rhetorical appeal to pathos.

There's plenty to talk about here that doesn't require assuming how an adult is going to feel about another adult's behavior.

To play devil's advocate here.. If she's a spy trained in psychological manipulation and seduction we'd be right to call him a victim instead of a participant since he'd be a target of those techniques applied to him. Maybe?

At a deeper level we do get to choose our overall environment and what kinds of things we are exposed to frequently, the recurring patterns of life can be consciously managed and shaped. But in the moment, we are more like an LLM doing a forward pass on next token. If a specific weight relating to refusal has been abliterated, it's not realistic to expect the next token to somehow still come out to refusal.

We can control our training better than we can control our inference. We have ego-ideals and specific mental makeup that can be exploited if identified.

I kind of see where you're coming from, but people are still responsible for their actions. McDonald's employs psychologists and spends millions if not billions of dollars per year to abliterate my weights in regards to their restaurant, and yet I still refuse. And it would be my choice if I gave in. As pointed out elsewhere in the comments, Huang had to make many decisions to end up in his current situation, and each one is a failure for someone leading a company of that size and influence.

Also, other reporting has well established that extramarital activity is the relative norm for ultrawealthy men in business. Are we to believe that every time one of these guys enters a sexual relationship with a younger woman, it was an attack leveled by some psy-witch harpy on a hapless CEO? It seems more likely to me that Huang was participating in normal behavior for men in his position, and in this case it may have actually had consequences.

So, no, he’s not a victim, his existing personal potential for infidelity was exploited. It worked because he would have done the same thing if the right non-spy were to arrive on the scene. The spy takes advantage of that.

Its clear his wealth generated a level of narcissism here that rose to a level that permitted him to invalidate the feelings of his wife, who, again, he made a vow to.

It does not matter if some hot chinese spy tried to get into his pants. He still let it. For a loooooong time.

I'm personally so tired of excusing infidelity. He is a big boy. He can make big boy decisions.

This is an interesting take. I'm not sure I agree with it. I understand the principal: that she might have been being dishonest towards him, so he's a victim of lies.

Anyone who's worked in and around any high value, high risk or regulated areas has done the training courses on these sorts of risks though: specifically, people will lie to you to get information out of you.

Sure, on a personal level, consider him a victim if you want. On a professional level, this is him ignoring training, at great risk to the business.

What ? If she was in his house and was a real Chinese spy who knows what data she extracted. Sorry, that's news worthy.

Not sure, if I follow. Are you saying that he has confidential papers just lying around his house? Or a computer (or other device) with confidential data without a strong password and an encrypted drive?

If any of this is true, I would say that this is actually a bigger problem, than the whole affair thing.

I'm just a humble software engineer and wouldn't let myself to handle any work related data so carelessly. Not sure, why a CEO of a huge multinational corporation would be held to lower standards.

I don't know, maybe you're right. I, personally, am very uncomfortable (almost physically) if I know that someone is seeing my screen and I wouldn't be able to get any work done in such state. Maybe I'm just weird.

> "your work is really interesting and important, please tell me more"

This one is unrelated to physically being inside someone's house.

Corporate security is a strong reason for leaving your work at work.

Never met a tech executive who left work at work. Also never met an IT security team who had the juice to tell the CEO what he could and couldn't do on his corporate phone...

The precautions you describe does not shield against any of those, and I'm not even being creative.

You're right, haven't thought about those.

Jensen also probably got too close to Trump and now the China hawks and maybe the dems are out to make an example.

Also Jensen does not have golden shares/full control unlike Musk, Zuckerberg etc. so he can be actually be unseated.

I mean, Shou Zi Chew was grilled by Congress for his "links" to the Chinese Communist Party, and made to state that Tiananmen Square 1989 was a massacre despite being born, raised in Singapore, and served the Singapore military.

The concept seems to have been mostly focused on the Chinese, but that in turn seems to have been largely because they outnumber everybody else.

You can read an essay criticizing the concept at Project Gutenberg: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/26350/pg26350-images.ht...

(It's in French, written by a Russian in 1897.)

Firstly, ethnicity is not the same as nationality.

Secondly, the CCP and China are two separate things. And then there's your definition of China, but I'm not going there. RoC and all...

Thirdly, Singapore is actually a former British colony, the native people are Malays, and there's four official languages (English, Chinese/Mandarin, Tamil and Malay). Now yes, there's a large erhnic Chinese diaspora in Singapore, but arguing that being Singaporean makes you a CCP spy would be a bit of a reach.

And geopolitical naivety aside, I find it mildly perturbing that somebody might assume that I'm a red under the bed, just because I have black hair, an olive complexion and am lactose intolerant.

if I was given this much easy task on congress hearing, I'd just say it with megaphone and take the lead from there

why is it difficult to say some fact?

is it difficult for you to say so?

Freedom of speech is valuable and fragile. It's always in danger of being eroded by authoritarians.

"Why do you refuse to say this true thing? Are you evil?"

"Why do you insist on saying this false thing? Are you evil?"

Because you're not the boss and don't get to tell people what to say or not say.

Change the race and ethnicity and tell me that it's okay.

Why can't you admit that this is yellow peril?

hell that's the typical "before" face of countless plastic surgery hospitals -- provides a great contrast to the "after"

Or to paraphrase a really old joke: Men have two heads but only enough blood to run one at a time.

I’m not commenting on the adultery because that’s a separate, private matter.

Is the alcoholic the victim of the liquor manufacturers?

The gambler goes to the casino to gamble. And Alice Huang was sent to meet Jensen Huang under normal business pretenses.

The analogy cant quite represent it but its more like the casino sent a dealer-in-disguise to the gambler on some plausible non-gambling pretenses to spy on him. So he's a victim of the casino's spy operation. Then he gambled.

He's not, you're adding details to his claim that he never said. He's the victim of a foreign intelligence operaiton.

He's both a victim and a perpetrator.

And while I usually wouldn't care if he cheated on his wife, because that's between him and his family, in this case, he was also incredibly dumb. This guy could have cheated on his wife with any number of women, but he chose to do it with a Chinese spy. I think having somebody who makes incredibly dumb decisions be the CEO of the world's most important company is definitely newsworthy.

"You're not talking to someone who woke up a loser, but you are talking to someone who woke up next to a Chinese spy."

The implication here being that he _knew_ she was a Chinese spy.

There's $50B at stake, so there's a huge incentive for foundations to ruin what's left of the family.

I don't know; at some point “don't put your dick in people from the Other Side” should be a pretty well known rule if you're someone important. She didn't even hide her nationality.

Best bet: not too good right now.

Second, yes someone with an addiction is still responsible for their actions. That doesn't mean it isn't an understandable and difficult struggle, but they aren't free of all responsibility either.

In the news we're told countless times that eg. that some unhoused person who burned mutilated another person is actually a victim of some-system-X, or that we're all victims of social media companies building addicting products -- BUT in this case Huang SHOULD have known better and had absolute control over his actions.

In what universe does cheating on your wife make you a victim? Even if the other party had a vested interest in making it happen, it's still a free choice that Jensen made. It's really tiring to read these theories and mental gymnastics involving a sly seductionness engaging in psy-ops and psychological manipulation to get into the pants of a reluctant billionaire.

Women are not some kind of mind-manipulating fantasy creatures, nor do spies running honeypot stings spray their marks with irresistible aphrodisiac pheromones. It's honestly very concerning to me how easily people here snap into this kind of simplistic us-vs-them model of the world, which I guess well explains the constant bemoaning about male loneliness, lack of male role models, male dating prospects, etc that I see here.