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Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by dotdi on Friday November 06, 2026 @06:49AM (#50391230)
I will repost a comment I made here a while ago on a similar discussion. Salary disclosure is a dealbreaker for me since being through the situation described below:

A few years back I wanted to get out of the work situation I was in. I looked around, had some interviews, had some offers. None of the postings had salary ranges, as is common where I live.

My eyes, however, were set on a specific small company because I liked their product. The process was long and involved multiple meetings, a take-home problem, and stretched over 2 or so months. I was upfront about what my salary expectations were (wasn't looking for a raise, just a lateral move). They said we discuss salary when you meet the founders, i.e. the last step before getting hired, but they also didn't tell me that my range was way off.

Turns out I had played this 9 week game and turned down other offers just to be severely low-balled by them. Maybe they saw that I really wanted the position and thought they could get away with a low offer.

Obviously, I rejected their offer on the spot. I also promised myself to never, _ever_, be fooled like that again. We talk money before I invest any significant amount of time or I walk.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by pbalau on Friday November 06, 2026 @07:11AM (#50391444)
Perchance you mean: "non disclosure of salary is a dealbreaker"?
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by phinnaeus on Friday November 06, 2026 @07:14AM (#50391460)
Yeah I was waiting for the anecdote to reveal why OP dislikes salary disclosure.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by antonymoose on Friday November 06, 2026 @07:44AM (#50391682)
I always assumed that kind of tactic was a way of hiding other decisions, e.g. protected class discrimination or some such.

I’ve similarly had 6-round interviews where at the end I either receive a lowball offer or am rejected because of something disclosed up-front.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by znpy on Friday November 06, 2026 @08:21AM (#50391987)
Had a similar experience, vowed to never do take home assignments ever again.

If i was good enough to get hired as a faang with just interviews and no take home stuff i see no reason to do that for a smaller company.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by epolanski on Friday November 06, 2026 @08:41AM (#50392174)
I would never consider a company that's making me wait that long unless I'm desperate to put food on my table and I have no other choice.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by icantevenhold on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:45AM (#50392937)
Turns out many people are in just that position.

Probably the majority in current late stage capitalism

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by YetAnotherNick on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:10PM (#50395152)
I don't mind the company that makes me wait long, and in many cases prefer it. Just I reject any take home if takes more than few hours without communication, and I reject more than 1 round of interviews done by someone junior than me.

I like giving interviews. It gives me insight into their thinking and the company.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by DeusExMachina on Friday November 06, 2026 @08:43AM (#50392207)
A friend that works as a manager told me that companies stretch the interview process on purpose so that at the end you will accept a lower offer that you normally would because you are exhausted by the process.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by ismailmaj on Friday November 06, 2026 @08:54AM (#50392315)
It's just the good old boring sunk cost fallacy.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by cyanydeez on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:01AM (#50392386)
it also just gets to the scammer end of the "who is stupid enough to keep doing this to the end". The point of a lot of scammer's poor grammar, huge red flags, etc, is _they_ dont want to waste _their_ time with someone other than the biggest marks in the world.

I just thought it should be clearer how many of these businesses likely operate to filter out.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by icantevenhold on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:41AM (#50392886)
Maybe I misunderstood but are you saying that companies have these lengthy interview procedures to filter out smart/capable/non-desperate candidates?

Sounds a bit counterproductive

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by rjbwork on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:51AM (#50393005)
Depends on your goals.

A lot of places are looking for unambitious, mediocre, status-quo following bodies to fill seats and follow arcane bureaucratic processes. Too much critical thinking is bad. Ability to deal with long drawn out bullshit is good.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by icantevenhold on Friday November 06, 2026 @10:09AM (#50393254)
whelp I guess that makes sense.

I love working in tech because it’s so cushy and chill but it’s the most stupid (and delusional) industry i ever worked in.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by cyanydeez on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:28AM (#50403974)
I'm saying business managers tend to follow patterns that gets them to the numbers on their paper. What you, or a single employee, sees as counter productive is often just a means to an end.

They'll spend 5x your ask for a raise finding someone to fill your position because denying you keeps the rest of their payroll in line. And if you consider these people communicate across their industries, they will make informal cartels that depress all employee wages.

So I wouldn't be surprised if there was just a natural way to filter our employees who would be to demanding by making them jump through more hoops.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by throw0101c on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:20AM (#50392587)
> A friend that works as a manager told me that companies stretch the interview process on purpose so that at the end you will accept a lower offer that you normally would because you are exhausted by the process.

1. It depends on how desperate the applicant is: if they're searching while still employed then they can walk (like GP did).

2. Even if they are desperate, they may take the offer… for now… so they can start getting a salary again, but that won't prevent them from continue to look. In which case you've paid for them to learn a job which they'll leave and you'll have to pay someone a second time to learn as well.

False economy IMHO.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by xyzzy_plugh on Friday November 06, 2026 @10:15AM (#50393330)
I've mentored a lot of young engineers and something I often point out is that there is practically zero risk in accepting an offer. Many companies also do not even present the full paperwork to sign until your first day or two.

You don't have to show up on the start date, though you do have to be mindful of the bridge you may be burning. But it is totally reasonable to show up to a few days of work, and declare "you know what, I don't think this is a good fit" and no one will be offended. They don't have to know that you already accepted another offer.

Exploding offers, low-ball offers, all bullshit. But you don't have to play their games.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by t0mpr1c3 on Friday November 06, 2026 @03:37PM (#50398137)
This is certainly valid in "right to work" states like Pennsylvania. If there is no notice period, then there is no penalty from accepting multiple jobs. Having accepted a job, there are also various ways to push the start date forward.

Some corporations will exploit whatever advantages they perceive. I overheard one hiring manager refer to their process as "the hunger games".

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by cowlevel on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:28AM (#50401912)
Another benefit: if people start doing this often, companies might start using actual notice periods that apply to both sides.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by eadler on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @12:47AM (#50436555)
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Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by red-iron-pine on Friday November 06, 2026 @10:53AM (#50393911)
bingo. hiring is expensive, onboarding is expensive, offboarding is annoying and has non-trivial-risk, and dragging it out means work isn't get done in that position.

unless you're looking at VP and up level roles where there may be a significant delta in risk, cost, and pay it's probably not worth it.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by scott_w on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:09PM (#50395132)
And if you’re hiring a VP who isn’t able to see through the tactic… do you even want that?
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by schnitzelstoat on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:54AM (#50393046)
Usually the manager doesn't care about this though - a p-number is a p-number, it doesn't matter if they are paying them $200k or $100k (assuming the salary range for the position was that large).

If anything the manager would prefer a higher offer that the candidate is likely to expect than a low-ball which they reject and then the hiring process has to continue.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by runamuck on Friday November 06, 2026 @11:48AM (#50394828)
Yup. I never had any incentive to haggle over the Salary. If I got them to agree to a lowball, no one ever rewarded me, or cared.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by prmoustache on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:58AM (#50393108)
That can only really work if you are unemployed or they know your salary is is still way below.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by locknitpicker on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:18PM (#50395292)
> companies stretch the interview process on purpose so that at the end you will accept a lower offer

That doesn't pass the smell test. That would mean those companies do not care about filling a role of hiring competent workers. If your guy is willing to wait two whole months for your offer, you are either Google or you are trying to hire a dude who no company on earth wants.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by 6510 on Friday November 06, 2026 @02:32PM (#50397207)
If your salary depends on how many underlings you have you want them to do as little useful work as possible. Hiring becomes is a very time consuming delicate process, you need 3 full time employees to find those 5 perfect sheep men.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by breakpointalpha on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:09PM (#50398584)
This is what car dealerships in the US do too. Waste a ton of time and keep you there for hours to fatigue you into accepting whatever bullshit they throw at you in the "close".
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by rskeens on Friday November 06, 2026 @08:55AM (#50392323)
Similar experience, multiple tech rounds all completed with excellent feedback from a company which approached me. Mentioned my ask and no indication of the range being a problem (but no firm approval either).

Based on that, assumption was the budget would be adequate. Final response was that they would not even mention the salary because it was too far away.

Following week they posted the job advert for same staff engineer role but at under average eu minimum wage.

It's risky if no salary is listed but do not ever proceed if they don't openly accept your ask without any doubt.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by icantevenhold on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:43AM (#50392911)
>staff engineer

>under average eu minimum wage

Wth ? How does this work

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by dzonga on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:07AM (#50392455)
yep - never interview - if salary range is not disclosed by the hiring manager or recruiter. if hiring manager can't discuss salary - the hiring manager is a lame duck and won't push anything but just take orders.

with regards to uk tech companies - they have salary ranges like 60k-75k - where someone might have spent time in a role at 63k e.g if the average tenure within a certain position is 3 years, 63k - then when you join they will say new joiners start at 60k.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by otikik on Friday November 06, 2026 @10:56AM (#50393974)
Just to add a little bit of perspective here. When I was a manager, if a candidate reached an interview with me, they had already had an interview with the recrui-I mean, "talent acquisition expert", with whom the compensation had already been previously discussed. I often had no idea what was the salary offered and I could not negotiate on it.

That was the other guy's job, and it as a prerequisite - they would not reach me if the compensation was not to their satisfaction. My job was to determine whether the candidate could perform at the offered post. If I needed to discuss compensation then someone before me would have screwed up.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by ponector on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:13AM (#50392503)
They always can low-ball you even with salary disclosure.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by riz_ on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:15AM (#50392531)
Yes, but then you don't need to spend weeks of work to be low-balled.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by ponector on Friday November 06, 2026 @10:48AM (#50393831)
No, let's say you apply for a job with salary 100-120k in description. After ten rounds of interviews they give you an offer for 80k.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by ryandrake on Friday November 06, 2026 @11:13AM (#50394275)
This practice should be illegal.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by tacocataco on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:55PM (#50395805)
"Darn, that 100k-120k role was filled during our 4 rounds of interviews. Fortunately we have new role available at 80k if youre interested."
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by harvey9 on Friday November 06, 2026 @11:15AM (#50394300)
This is usually called bait and switch, but your point still stands.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by marcosdumay on Friday November 06, 2026 @11:47AM (#50394804)
I think the GP's point is that if you give the companies the opportunity to do that earlier, instead of only later, you get to save a lot of time dealing with the honest low-ballers.

There's nothing you can do about the dishonest ones.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by bluefirebrand on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:04PM (#50395055)
It really should be against some kind of employment standards to do this sort of bait and switch

There are apparently some new regulations in Canada to protect job seekers from this, but it's not a clean line in the sand. It seems like companies won't likely be held accountable unless it is a pattern of hiring like this, but how do people establish a pattern when most people still won't discuss salaries?

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by YetAnotherNick on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:05PM (#50395065)
Most companies want the new joinees to be satisfied, and if the reason is "we don't have budget" that might be acceptable. But if the reason is "we are lowballing you specifically because we can" that would just create spite in candidates mind and the company has to pay the price for the process if a candidate dropped off or joined temporarily while looking elsewhere.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by Kuyawa on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:49AM (#50392980)
There should be a Yelp for shitty businesses like this and half of linkedin would get listed in the hall of shame
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by garciasn on Friday November 06, 2026 @10:08AM (#50393249)
It already exists: Glassdoor.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by boringg on Friday November 06, 2026 @10:19AM (#50393392)
Which is itself a very shitty business. It's there to protect the business owners. Early days was good - then needed to monetize.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by 11101010010001 on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:49AM (#50392983)
Do you still like their product or do you now understand your bias?
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by cs02rm0 on Friday November 06, 2026 @10:15AM (#50393329)
I've done worse than that. I've taken the job on a lower salary, being told I'd get a promotion and pay rise in 6 months. That didn't happen. And then when it didn't happen at 18 months they dangled the carrot of a promotion up two levels. After a few weeks of not hearing about it I popped a resignation letter in the post one morning, went into the office and had an email to say the promotion had "gone away".

Then they went legal trying to prevent me working for a competitor.

I actually got what I needed from the role anyway, but it was a lesson to heed the red flags. I've not heeded that lesson a couple of times recently, just because the market seems to be toast, but it's not been worth it.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by noir_lord on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:45PM (#50406444)
> Then they went legal trying to prevent me working for a competitor.

Was threatened with that early in my career after I resigned, I just replied "Check my employment contract, Good luck with that".

They where chaotically unorganised and the contract had no non-compete, they are enforceable in the UK but it's quite uphill to enforce an overly broad one (up to and including it just been nullified if you go too broad) and they have to show good evidence why it should be enforced.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by Viliam1234 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @05:12PM (#50408549)
> being told I'd get a promotion and pay rise in 6 months. That didn't happen.

In my experience, that never happens. If they actually meant it, it would be written in your contract.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by JTbane on Friday November 06, 2026 @10:28AM (#50393516)
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Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by kevin_thibedeau on Friday November 06, 2026 @11:47AM (#50394803)
> small company

> Stretched over two months

These companies aren't Google. There is no valid reason why it should take so long to decide on candidates for a position. It is not necessary to have more than two interview sessions. I bail on any company that subjects people to this garbage.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by ApolloFortyNine on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:05PM (#50395070)
I recently had a small company take a month and had after the final two 'interviews' with the CEO and CTO were scheduled a week apart, realized this is almost certainly a stalling tactic to have a couple more candidates in the pipeline so they can pick the best.
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by scott_w on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:08PM (#50395111)
Agreed, when I was recruiting for a small company (where we could be easily outbid), the only tool I really had was that the process was 1 interview and I made a decision. This was before remote absolutely exploded but I was able to successfully recruit some really bright young developers and, I hope, kickstarted some incredible careers for them. Granted, I’m not confident I could do it now, as the gap between what the company could afford and what you can make working remote is much too large now!
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by locknitpicker on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:16PM (#50395254)
> It is not necessary to have more than two interview sessions.

That doesn't sound right at all for the tech sector.

There's the mandatory "is this a human" interview, there's a technical interview to weed out the dozens of candidates, then there's the interview where those who passed the first round are interviewed to check for hard skills, soft skills, cultural fit, etc.

Which one would you leave out? Even with a technical assignment you need at least 3?

FANGs subject candidates to between 2 to 4 meetings in their on-site interview. Google nowadays has at least 4 interviews. When I interviewed for MongoDB they were very proud of having 12 rounds of interviews, and the interviewer boasted they managed to streamline the process by cutting out two interviews. I could go on and on.

I don't recall a single interview process for a tech role that has less than 4 interview rounds.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by Ancapistani on Friday November 06, 2026 @10:42PM (#50401421)
I think it should be the other way around.

Google is a very large company. They have capital on hand and an established, well-worn process for onboarding. It costs them comparatively little to hire.

For a small company, an engineering hire is a big investment. They don't do it as often, so it costs them more in terms of both direct costs and indirect costs - like the time it takes their existing team to go through the process and bring the new hire up to speed.

Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by lokar on Friday November 06, 2026 @11:59AM (#50394973)
I always get a range up front from the recruiter (and later confirm with the hiring manager).
Re:Britain to make salary disclosure in job ads mandatory by Mawr on Friday November 06, 2026 @07:32PM (#50400408)
Yea, it's basically a question of respect. The second somebody disrespects you you walk away, hard line. Going along with it and playing their games, as described above, just prolongs the inevitable.

Don't want to act like an adult and tell me how much money I'll make? I'm out, good luck.