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Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by mrtksn on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:11PM (#46977644)
The content is the same as this article but the headline on Yahoo Finance is: "Jobs report smashes expectations as payrolls grow by 130,000"

There's no chance for survival just by glancing over the headlines.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by ceejayoz on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:15PM (#46977698)
That's noted in this article:

> One bright spot was last month, when hiring increased by 130,000 roles. This was significantly more than the 55,000 additions that had been expected by economists.

But that's 2026 hiring, and the article's about the 2025 revisions. (And the January number, as they all do, may get revised in a few months.)

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by master_crab on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:22PM (#46977811)
If I recall, the numbers almost always get revised down.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by ceejayoz on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:24PM (#46977842)
No. See the chart:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bls-jobs-report-revision-trump-...

Both directions are common.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by daemonologist on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:43PM (#46979839)
Historically both directions are common, but in 2025 every month was revised down from the preliminary report except October. (They were revised down a lot in 2023 and 2024 as well fwiw.)

https://www.hiringlab.org/2026/02/11/january-2026-jobs-repor...

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by kingkawn on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:22PM (#46977826)
If all of 2025 was overestimated, possibly for political purposes, then why believe that the 2026 numbers are accurate?
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by ceejayoz on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:25PM (#46977861)
Revisions are normal.

It would be quite hard in the long run to make faked BLS numbers line up with other independent data points, like ADP's payroll reports and the IRS's revenues.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by longfacehorrace on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:31PM (#46977961)
Exactly. So we should not believe numbers posted ASAP to Yahoo and other for profit media to drive engagement. Wait for revisions from the source.

Cheap publishing that reaches across the world has created a race to the bottom.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by dgb23 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:31PM (#46977968)
Also 130'000 seems to be moderate. It beats expectations but is only slightly above what is needed to keep employment stable.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by JohnTHaller on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:47PM (#46978218)
Word on the street is that the January number is about to get revised down by a lot. Time will tell.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by Me1000 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:44PM (#46978163)
ADP is reporting only 22,000: https://adpemploymentreport.com
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by kleiba on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:49PM (#46978239)
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by luckydata on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:52PM (#46978303)
whoever believes the jobs report coming out of this administration is a complete fool.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by heathrow83829 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @11:57AM (#46977440)
>>> "Still, Wednesday’s report also shows that not nearly as many jobs were added in 2025 as thought and last year will go down as the worst year for hiring since 2020, or since 2003 outside of a recession."

Almost no jobs were added net and the few that were, were all in health care, 131K i think the article said.

what i find interesting is that unemployment percent still looks low. is it accurate? even if it's wrong, shouldn't it be correct on a relative basis? why isn't this number climbing?

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by Arainach on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:00PM (#46977484)
US Unemployment statistics have a number of flaws, including not capturing people who are underemployed (taking any low paying job to try to make ends meet instead of working in a higher paying field they are qualified for) and not capturing those who are no longer searching for a job
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by nickff on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:09PM (#46977612)
I agree that the most-commonly reported 'head-line' numbers can be misleading, but more detailed statistics are available. One of my favorites is the labor participation rate: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

You might want to look at the 'not in labor force' numbers: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNU05026642

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by gruez on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:10PM (#46977638)
>One of my favorites is the labor participation rate: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

and also labor participation rate, but for 25-54 Yrs, so you exclude the effect of demographic changes https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11300060

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by jeffbee on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:11PM (#46977656)
Yes, moreover the whole-population participation rate is basically useless and nobody should look at it.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by nickff on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:41PM (#46978120)
I find the overall population participation rate as being very informative with respect to the tax base, and more general changes over time.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by pc86 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:10PM (#46977624)
The second point is hard to quantify. If I just give up searching for a job and live off savings or government assistance, but I would take a job if I could find one, I should probably count as unemployed even though I'm not actively searching for a job. But if I am choosing not to look because I won't take a job, I am technically unemployed by the strict definition of the word but I don't count for what most people care about when thinking about the unemployment rate.

Underemployment is already reported and is distinctly different so I don't think it's fair to say that not counting someone at Burger King who has a Master's degree as unemployed is a "flaw."

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by gruez on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:17PM (#46977737)
>If I just give up searching for a job and live off savings or government assistance, but I would take a job if I could find one, I should probably count as unemployed even though I'm not actively searching for a job.

The current definition makes sense because it's linked to an overt action that can be objectively determined. "Not looking for a job but theoretically would like a job" gets into all sorts of issues like "I want a job as a king if it landed on my lap...".

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by bluGill on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:24PM (#46977837)
The problem is how do we tell you from someone who retires early?
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by miyoji on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:30PM (#46977946)
We determine unemployment using a survey, so presumably you just ask.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by 9rx on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:30PM (#46977945)
Same way we determine all the other inputs that go into the various unemployment rates? Ask.

"Marginally attached" and "discouraged workers" are already tracked and reported in U4, U5, and U6, so this is a strange hypothetical.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by baron816 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:07PM (#46977577)
These data are also reported by the BLS: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/U6RATE.

It’s been creeping up for sure, but still historically low. And I’d attest that the headline rate is still the “real” rate.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by elgenie on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:10PM (#46977640)
The US tracks six different unemployment metrics plus overall labor force participation rate. You’re talking about U6 and/or labor force participation rate.

Just because U3 is the measure typically quoted doesn’t mean the others don’t exist.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by jeffbee on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:10PM (#46977625)
US unemployment statistics capture both of those things very well and in great detail. BLS U-6 tracks "Employed Part-Time for Economic Reasons".

The idea that the BLS lacks detailed labor market data is just internet conspiracy slop.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by mc32 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:26PM (#46977869)
There are flawed, however, as long as the calculations are consistent then the numbers are reliable across time.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by kjkjadksj on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:31PM (#46977969)
It also doesn’t capture those not on unemployment. Graduate undergrad or grad school and can’t land a job? Government doesn’t know that.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by mandevil on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:37PM (#46978063)
They separately report people who are on unemployment insurance, but the headline unemployment numbers come from a survey of potential workers, which will capture recent graduates.

Source: 15 years ago I was one of the people they surveyed. Every month for a year they called me, once a month, to ask what my employment status last week was, if I was actively looking, etc. (It was all synchronized around one week a month, but I don't remember which one it was they cared about.)

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by eli_gottlieb on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:09PM (#46978529)
But I think in this case an aging population can hold down the official unemployment rate, even when there are no new jobs outside services for the aged.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by add-sub-mul-div on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:11PM (#46977647)
What stops it from being a more useful metric is that it doesn't account for someone who was employed with benefits five or ten years ago, but today has some crappy gig economy job with no health insurance. They show up as employed either way.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by antisthenes on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:28PM (#46977896)
> Almost no jobs were added net and the few that were, were all in health care, 131K i think the article said.

I wonder what those folks in health care are doing, because (once again) after dealing with the US healthcare system, it seems like it's about 1% doctors, 10% other staff and 90% useless billing/scheduling/collections, designed to extract the maximum possible amount of money from a patient and provide the minimum amount of care.

More jobs being added in health care seems to be an indicator for it getting even worse.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by aetherson on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:28PM (#46977906)
Native population is declining (and prime-age workforce is retiring), and the Trump admin has been extensively working to reduce the size of the immigrant workforce.

So the unemployment rate is staying low, but the absolute number of workers is flat or declining.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by dzonga on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @11:58AM (#46977454)
it's almost telling how Super Bowl commercials tell the mood of the country's population and economy

latest edition was A.I, prediction markets, GLP-1s -- all indicative of a "Casino" economy where you know the odds are against you but you gamble anyway so you might become one of the few winners

the US is caught up in a weird middle - where its lacking labor capacity for essential manufacturing & other positive contributions while also lacking job making capacity

because all the money has gone into casino economy not capacity building

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by anonymars on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:09PM (#46977623)
I think this illustrates another pernicious effect of excessive inequality: where does it lure talent? The best and brightest, lured from speculation to ads to blockchain to AI to...
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by saubeidl on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:12PM (#46977669)
Yup, it's the tragedy of the system we have set up.

There's a potentially civilization-ending disasters looming over us (the climate crisis, increasing escalation between the major powers, rising risk of insurrection due to mismanagement and inequality) and what are the smartest people of our time doing?

Making sure you click that damn ad or create technology that lets you create slop ads more easily.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by toomuchtodo on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:16PM (#46977712)
So, how do you fix it? Can it be fixed?
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by nemomarx on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:26PM (#46977872)
Right now we allocate capital to those kinds of companies. We're on a page for that and all.

If you allocated capital to other stuff, the jobs go there with it?

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by losteric on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:27PM (#46977891)
Money follows ROI. Making those speculative or detrimental industries less profitable is the answer.

Regulations on micro-targeting, data privacy, algorithm transparency, legal liability for content, etc.. all push back against the externalities of ads/social media.

Regulations on energy and land use can make eg data center build outs more expensive, pressuring back against speculative AI trash.

Taxing big tech companies, subsidizing manufacturing education, and judicious import tariffs.. would all create incentives for investing money and labor in hard capabilities

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by misterbishop on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:33PM (#46977995)
we need an opposition party.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by saubeidl on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:11PM (#46978561)
If you're asking me? Workers revolution and a complete systems change, towards something that aligns incentives with the good of humanity, not of a money-grubbing few.

I have a feeling most folks here will disagree though.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by dorgo on Friday February 13, 2026 @01:35PM (#47006057)
>aligns incentives with the good of humanity

is this possible?

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by pphysch on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:26PM (#46977870)
Those are two sides of the same coin. The "sky is falling" narratives and invasive advertising are both employed by the same elite to control your behavior through fear and suggestion.

Noam Chomsky is one of the loudest doomsayers and "critics" of the system (war, climate, politics) and yet simultaneously was good buddies with post-conviction Epstein. That ought to stimulate a reassessment of what you've believed about how (American) politics and society works.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by orwin on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:40PM (#46978929)
That's not surprising. Post 2000 Chomsky is worthless, he couldn't defend his original thesis without ad hominems and used his fame to put pressure on universities (it didn't work every time, but enough), he pushed a decade backward part of the linguistics field (after pushing it up maybe two decade forward, but that's not an excuse).

Especially in humanities where you don't have hard data, contradiction is the only way to advance, and he forgot that. He became too full of himself and too confident.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by kilroy123 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:29PM (#46977929)
To be fair, I'd rather have smart people pursue AI and LLMs than ad tech.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by yifanl on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:32PM (#46977973)
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by dgb23 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:33PM (#46978002)
That's mixing up the tool with what it is used for.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by throwawayqqq11 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:16PM (#46979411)
Consider LLMs as the recent iteration to monetize free content, like ads do too, and you are not far from seeing the approaching AI-first enshittoscene. No matter the smart engineers altruistic goals, ROI has to be met.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by kakacik on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:49PM (#46978244)
Ad tech is annoying at worst, it doesn't take literally your job and most of job market with it. Without any seemingly easy way to move to fields which are booming so overall it would stay the same.

I hate ads with passion for past 20 years and (very) actively avoid them at all costs, but I'd take those over what world llms seem to be bringing in soon.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by gruez on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:33PM (#46977999)
But are you actually against inequality because not every industry is getting its fair share (whatever that might mean), or simply that you don't like the winners under the current system? In other words if the current bubble are for solar or fusion power, would you be like "darn, the inequality under the capitalist system is luring talent from enterprise SaaS (or whatever) and that makes me sad"?
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by anonymars on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:29PM (#46978793)
Maybe either would be an improvement. Like that cartoon, "what if climate change is a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?"
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by giantg2 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:39PM (#46978097)
"In other words if the current bubble are for solar or fusion power"

For that to be true, there would have to be a ridiculous amount of money at a massive scale for those, which would imply that consumers are being gouged for it. That's really true of almost any bubble. This is still a negative situation.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by palmotea on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:34PM (#46978014)
> I think this illustrates another pernicious effect of excessive inequality: where does it lure talent? The best and brightest, lured from speculation to ads to blockchain to AI to...

Or finance. There was a pretty brutal takedown published recently: The Finance Industry Is a Grift. Let’s Start Treating It That Way. (https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/06/opinion/capitalism-indust...).

Basically the finance industry is pivoting away from actually investing in real businesses to more and more elaborate paper pushing schemes (that make them money, but actually weaken the economy):

> Unlike Dawes’s Fidelity Fiduciary Bank, a modern investment bank mostly earns its money in a way that not even the bravest lyricist would set to music: providing advisory services, executing complex financial engineering schemes, trading stocks and bonds, managing other people’s money, issuing credit cards and so on. Assets get bought and sold, divided and packaged, and the bank collects fees at each step.

> David Solomon, the chief executive of Goldman Sachs, could not sing to young Michael about the many productive uses to which he might put the tuppence because Goldman Sachs rarely invests in anything at all. Fostering economic progress appears to be beside the point.

> Less than 10 percent of Goldman’s work in 2024, measured by revenue, was helping businesses raise capital. Loans of Goldman’s own funds to operating businesses accounted for less than 2 percent of its assets. At JPMorgan Chase the figures were 4 and 5 percent; at Morgan Stanley, 7 and 2 percent. Even the efforts at helping to raise capital are misleading, because less than a tenth of it goes toward building anything new. The rest funds debt refinancing, balance sheet restructuring and mergers and acquisitions.

> These are symptoms of financialization. That’s the term for making financial markets and transactions ends unto themselves, disconnected from — and often at the expense of — the societal benefits that support human flourishing and are capitalism’s proper purpose. Chief among those benefits are good jobs that support families, and products and services that improve people’s lives.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by twoodfin on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:56PM (#46978362)
Why do you think large companies refinance debt? So they can invest in productive areas of the business.

If debt refinancing became illegal or widely impractical due to an interest rate spike, you’d quickly see how much of the productive economy it’s fueling!

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by palmotea on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:29PM (#46979622)
> If debt refinancing became illegal or widely impractical due to an interest rate spike, you’d quickly see how much of the productive economy it’s fueling!

You're missing the point. Read the article.

And no one is saying "don't refinance debt." The passage you're reacting to was making the point "less than a tenth of [the capital banks raise] goes toward building anything new."

> Why do you think large companies refinance debt? So they can invest in productive areas of the business.

The article is talking about banks and the finance industry, not non-financial companies.

Also, if you think they were restructuring debt to invest in productive areas of their businesses, don't you think more than 10% of the capital banks raise would be going to building something new? If you read the article, it spends a lot of time talking about how much money goes into "mergers and acquisitions" and how it's a waste.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by twoodfin on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @05:14PM (#46981971)
Sorry, what is the argument that when a company refinances debt—replacing current cash obligations with larger future cash obligations—they’re not going to use that current cash flow to build something new, or at least hire more people than they would have otherwise?

AFAIK, manufacturers refinance debt to build more/better factories all the time, for example.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by _DeadFred_ on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:53PM (#46979119)
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by tarsinge on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @03:44PM (#46980646)
Except this time it's the main banks doing it?
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by nobodyandproud on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:21PM (#46978685)
> Or finance. There was a pretty brutal takedown published recently: The Finance Industry Is a Grift. Let’s Start Treating It That Way. (https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/06/opinion/capitalism-indust...).

What’s pleasant to see is that the take-down and opinion piece is coming from the conservative side.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by giantg2 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:36PM (#46978047)
That's more of a moral question. The best and brightest are the ones running the casino. Why would someone spend 8 years in expensive schools becoming a doctor when they can work as a developer or marketer for an online sports book? Morals on the consumer supply curb demand. Morals on the provider side can help curb innovation and expanse.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by atoav on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:42PM (#46978130)
Because the former is meaningful and the latter depresses you if you think too much about it, so you found strategies of not thinking about it that ultimately eat away at your soul and anything that makes a life worth living?
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by giantg2 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:56PM (#46978364)
Yes, but the realization of this comes from experience or age. There are always new hires to fill the positions when the pay is high enough compared to the alternatives.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by Izikiel43 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:35PM (#46979719)
Or you make enough money to retire early and get out, maybe pivot careers.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by autoexec on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @06:17PM (#46982610)
You'd still have to live with yourself and what you contributed to. Easy enough for psychopaths, but not so easy for anyone else.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by jonas21 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:01PM (#46977502)
What do AI or GLP-1s have to do with a casino economy?
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by unethical_ban on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:05PM (#46977563)
AI, being a boom with a lot of companies trying to make something out of nothing.

GLP, not sure.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by bawolff on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:13PM (#46977676)
I don't really agree, but you could argue that GLP is targeting people who want a magic solution just like casinos.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by toomuchtodo on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:16PM (#46977723)
GLP-1s target humans who need a pharma intervention to assist in making their reward center in their brain more defensive against the system they are forced to exist in.

We don’t need ads for it, we should hand it out over the counter to anyone who wants or needs it, but I digress.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by kakacik on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:55PM (#46978339)
Which evil system do they live in? Veggies are the cheapest stuff I can find in supermarkets anywhere. I agree their reward systems are fried, but thats a result of decades of over-eating on the worst junk mankind ever produced, while this whole 'evil system' screams on them from all sides how stupid and suicidal this is, how sugar is same as cocaine and so on.

Its all a mental problem (and here in Switzerland this is general consensus among doctors and I have one for wife), and an attempt to solve it anywhere else down the decision line apart from the head is just (temporarily, in case of glp) fixing the consequences.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by birthdaywizard on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:10PM (#46979343)
Not every gas station, convenience store and pharmacy is stocked with aisle after aisle of cocaine. I don't know I would call it 'evil' but I agree it is a system most people are forced to exist in.

If we're appealing to authority, my mother, my father, and my sister are all highly accomplished doctors, and they believe GLP-1s will become part of a standard drug package to older adults like Statins because it's far more achievable than education we don't have and wouldn't work in the food system that exists in the US.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by autoexec on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @06:24PM (#46982679)
> Its all a mental problem (and here in Switzerland

Ah, that might explain why you'd think that healthy food is easily available and affordable everywhere. I haven't seen what stores are like in Switzerland for myself, but it sure sounds like a massive improvement and may be part of why the obesity rate there is around 10% instead of over 40% like it is here.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by array_key_first on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @08:15PM (#46983685)
> Its all a mental problem

Yes, so let's just solve it. Okay, no more mental problem.

What's that? I didn't actually say a solution? Yeah, that's because I don't have one, and neither do you.

We can't just make people good people. It doesn't work, it's never worked, and it will never work. If you think otherwise, you are wrong. If you still think otherwise, you should think less because obviously it's not doing you any good.

We can sit here alllll day and tell people not to inject heroine or smoke cigarettes. But guess what? So long as the human brain is how it is, and we have those things available, people WILL continue to do them.

So while you have fake solutions you've made up in your head and can't even articulate, we have real solutions. GLP-1s. They work, as in they actually work. They actually help solve the problem.

So on one hand, you have an imaginary solution. On the other hand, you have a real solution. Hmm, which one should we gravitate towards? What a tough call!

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by polski-g on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:56PM (#46978370)
But GLP-1's are a magic solution...
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by Izikiel43 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:47PM (#46979882)
Yeah, it's actually revolutionary if you think about it, easy loss weight vs previous approaches, and it seems to help with smoking/alcohol as well.

The side effects are minor compared to the wins.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by thrance on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:09PM (#46977616)
The last times so many tech ads made their way to the Superbowl was during the crypto craze and the dot-com bubble. These are symptoms of an overly speculative economy.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by mothballed on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:04PM (#46977552)
I don't gamble to become a winner, I gamble to keep myself break even desperately trying to hold to some asset that isn't inflated into oblivion by misinformed economic and fiscal policy.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by saubeidl on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:04PM (#46977548)
>the US is caught up in a weird middle - where its lacking labor capacity for essential manufacturing & other positive contributions while also lacking job making capacity

> because all the money has gone into casino economy not capacity building

What you're describing is referenced to as Fictitious Capital in Marxist thought: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_capital

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by schmidtleonard on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:07PM (#46977582)
Brains turn off if you say Voldemort's name out loud. These ideas need to be rediscovered and rebranded.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by saubeidl on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:08PM (#46977593)
Personally, I think it's better to normalize and point out there are a lot of valid points made.

But I suppose change needs both strategies.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by 1-more on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @03:59PM (#46980868)
Every business leader who makes money is a Marxian! Capturing the surplus value of the labor of others is how a business makes money and that is a value neutral statement.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by Terr_ on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:51PM (#46978291)
In some of those circles, you can play a little game of using statements from Adam Smith, and seeing which ones draw knee-jeek criticism as "Marxist."
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by dlisboa on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:20PM (#46978669)
Same for Keynes.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by mothballed on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:11PM (#46979353)
Adam Smith had a bit of a Marxist view (though, he did come up with it first) on the land value of real property, considering deriving rent from it as "unearned" without labor, which looks a little too close to comfort to appealing to what we would call today the "labor theory of value" which we now know is a largely useless device for creating or observing markets intended to provide voluntary ~free exchange of the fruits of capital and labor.

Most modern capitalist views do not subscribe to labor theory of value or "earned" value. Though views on landlordism do originate more with Smith than with Marx, it's not wrong to also attribute many of those thoughts to Marx.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by realusername on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:35PM (#46978032)
Reading the Wikipedia article, it doesn't seem to fit at all, this concept is mainly about finance whereas here the money went into actual companies.

The AI companies really did spend every last cent (and more) of this capital.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by NoGravitas on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:36PM (#46979735)
"What you're describing is referenced to as Fictitious Capital in Classical Economics."
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by giantg2 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:29PM (#46977918)
"because all the money has gone into casino economy not capacity building"

Executives won't build on-shore capacity when they'll just get undercut by off-shore shops. It's less risky to just outsource.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by criddell on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:42PM (#46978133)
Isn't that one reason for tariffs? VW, BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Nissan, and Kia all have some US or Canadian factories.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by alistairSH on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:52PM (#46978302)
Yes, in theory. But, there are at least three problems with that...

1. Tariffs are frequently not targeted/precise enough, so come with lots of side effects.

2. Other countries retaliate, leading to trade wars and economic disruptions in both places.

3. Lower prices are usually better for local consumers - it leaves them with more money to buy other stuff. And tariffs do the opposite, as they are rarely 100% absorbed by the manufacturer.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by giantg2 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:54PM (#46978325)
Yeah, tariffs can be one part of it, especially things like anti-dumping. But there is no tariff for outsourcing virtual work. The US outsources something like 300k jobs per year, and tariffs won't fix that.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by ls612 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:51PM (#46978279)
???

How are AI and GLP medications in the same category as Kalshi or sports betting? One is (economically at any rate) a tool to produce code and the other is a weight loss drug that actually works. Neither are a “casino” in any meaningful sense.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by irishcoffee on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:16PM (#46978633)
Nit: One is an appetite suppressant, not a weight-loss drug. It doesn't burn fat, your body does that part. You just eat less.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by SanDiegoSun on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:34PM (#46978839)
Incorrect, newer GLP's upregulate metabolism and increase insulin sensitivity by acting as agonists on GIP and Glucagon receptors.

Please don't comment on pharmacodynamics without a solid understanding of the underlying mechanisms.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by irishcoffee on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @07:27PM (#46983257)
Which in turn regulates (suppresses) appetite.

Please don’t be a dick.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by dlisboa on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:53PM (#46978313)
I agree. From the outside looking in the US seems to be in a very nihilistic mood, sort of "nothing I do matters anyway so I'll gamble away in the hopes of maybe hitting the only winning ticket out". People trying all sorts of moonshot ideas in crypto, day trading, live streaming, etc. The idea of slowly chipping away and climbing the social leader seems very distant from what I see.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by NoGravitas on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:30PM (#46979644)
A lot of it is simply the rising price of housing and stagnating wages meaning that for a lot of people, the "chipping away" path their parents took toward home ownership is never going to bear fruit. Gambling and grifts of one kind or another are seen as the only alternative.
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Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by Larrikin on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:53PM (#46979134)
It must be so tough for you being white
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by zingababba on Sunday February 22, 2026 @08:55AM (#47111024)
I'm Indian
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by alphawhisky on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:47PM (#46979033)
It's like you took a coherent and reasonable comment and added the words "H1B", and "DEI". It's just nepotism in different flavors, all the way down.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by autoexec on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @06:31PM (#46982738)
> I agree. From the outside looking in the US seems to be in a very nihilistic mood, sort of "nothing I do matters anyway so I'll gamble away in the hopes of maybe hitting the only winning ticket out".

However bad their odds are gambling it's often the case that it's still the best chance they'll ever have to meaningfully improve their standard of living.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by jaredklewis on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:56PM (#46979161)
GLP-1s are miracle drugs that (to my mind) seem one of the great accomplishments of medicine along side things like vaccines and antibiotics. They are a cure for all manner of metabolic conditions.

How are they a “gamble?” For patients, their efficacy rates are stunning. If you meant from an investing perspective, Eli Lilly and novo nordisk have very down to earth valuations when compared with AI companies.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by Balgair on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:25PM (#46979573)
I agree that their large scale rollout will be very beneficial on the whole. The US is absurdly overweight and obese.

But these are powerful medications that affect very highly conserved areas of tetrapod biology. We discovered GLPs in the mouths of gila monsters, after all. So you then can infer that that the mechanism is at least 300 million years old (our last common ancestor with lizards).

Actually, I tried looking this up, and glucagon is likely 5-600 million years old, back to all chordates, the Cambrian explosion essentially, though likely even before that. So, incredibly conserved. Like, if you are a multicellular animal, odds are you have some glucagon-like thing for digestion regulation.[0]

We're strongly messing with a system that is just tremendously old. Biology and evolution are ruthless about this stuff, it edits it out as fast as it possibly can. That it's been so closely held is a very big sign for us that we need to tread extremely carefully.

Like, clearly, other countries do not have these issues with weight. Yes, they are developing them, I know. But even the US didn't have these issues near as bad just two generations ago, a blink in biological terms. You and I both know that the solution is not a pill, but the root cause of the obesity epidemic itself. These injections and pill are just band-aids for a much deeper and more pernicious problem.

But then again, you and I both know that we're not going to get at the root cause anytime soon either.

[0] This is biology so you'll find exceptions everywhere though

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by Izikiel43 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @03:00PM (#46980051)
> Biology and evolution are ruthless about this stuff, it edits it out as fast as it possibly can. That it's been so closely held is a very big sign for us that we need to tread extremely carefully.

As long as you have descendants, biology and evolution don't care, once that's done it's game over for them.

> That it's been so closely held is a very big sign for us that we need to tread extremely carefully.

It's been tested for over 20 years, the weight loss bit is the recent one.

> other countries do not have these issues with weight.

Yes they do, some are much worse than the US (https://data.worldobesity.org/rankings/), there are a lot of countries above 30% obesity rate.

> both know that the solution is not a pill

It's part of the solution, is how you help existing people with the issue.

Doing a restrictive diet is not easy (I know, I've been dieting since october, lost 15 pounds, but I can go on autopilot for this, which is not the case for others), it requires a lot of discipline that most people don't have, and our bodies are optimized to store calories, as well as being very efficient in consuming them, because for most of history famines were common, last ~100 years being the exception to the rule for most of the world population.

Future generations can be helped by better food culture and education, and that's the other part of the solution, long term.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by sylos on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @04:35PM (#46981408)
The weight gain in the us compared to the rest of world is undoubtedly related to the callous disregard corporations posess for life in general, let alone the subtle things like microbiomes and fungi that shape our ecosystem
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by tzs on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @04:50PM (#46981615)
I don't know what OP considers to be a gamble, but one thing that comes to mind is that from what I've read most people who succeed at significant weight loss while taking GLP-1 drugs regain most or all of the weight within a couple years if they stop taking the drugs.

I'm in the US and if my doctor had suggested such drugs before last year I'd have been reluctant because (1) they were expensive even with insurance, (2) just how expensive varied quit a bit from insurance provider to insurance provider and from plan to plan from a given provider, and (3) as I said I'm in the US, and so never knew for sure who my insurance provider would be next year and even if it was going to be the same provider I never knew what their plans would be like next year [1].

Starting a new drug that looked like it would be a "rest of your life" drug where the price could change year to year from reasonably affordable to painfully expensive would definitely feel like taking a gamble.

Now I'm old enough for Medicare, and they are something I would at least consider because Medicare seems to be less volatile. They are still expensive, if my understanding is correct, with the need to meet a deductible and with copays or coinsurance, but all that counts toward the part D annual cap of $2100 so there is at least a cap making it somewhat safer to make long term plans. (But Republicans in Congress want to eliminate or at least significantly raise that cap, so long term planning is still somewhat of a gamble).

[1] In the US around 80-85% of people under 65 who have health insurance that is not provided through the government get their health insurance via their employer's benefits package. Most of the rest get it through the ACA marketplace. Employers often renegotiate plans with their provider or switch providers when the old plans/provider prices go up. The ACA market is even more volatile.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by 1-more on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @05:20PM (#46982034)
> most people who succeed at significant weight loss while taking GLP-1 drugs regain most or all of the weight within a couple years if they stop taking the drugs.

Anecdata: I've gone from 260lb down to a minimum of 198ish, up to maybe 230, back down to 193, long slow climb up to 270 and now on a GLP-1 I'm under 230 and definitely look fat, but in the right light you can see my quad separation. The only people I know who've lost the kind of weight I've lost and kept it off (like a 5' man going from 250lb down to 145) went from logging every bite in My Fitness Pal (or similar) to keeping the log running in their head of what they're eating all day every day. Diabetics sometimes say they're making their prefrontal cortex do the work of their pancreas. That feels relatable.

So IDK if there's a weight loss solution that works that you don't have to do in perpetuity. "Eat less" yeah sure, but how? Magic Danish Gila monster potion that makes you want to eat less, or recording everything you eat and using that to tell yourself you're more full than you feel?

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by tzs on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @08:43PM (#46983862)
I managed some fairly significant weight loss and kept it off kind of by accident.

I was 326 lb when I took the physical that my college required incoming first year students to take. It slowly crept up over the years and by my mid 50s was generally in the 420-440 lb range. I had been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 10 years before that but responded spectacularly well to cheap diabetes drugs like metformin and Glucotrol. Same for cholesterol--it has been very high but Lipitor brought it down to normal. If you had showed my blood work to a doctor with no other information than my age and sex they would have not found any sign of anything wrong.

But then A1C started going up again, despite steady weight and no diet changes. I decided to try to lower carbs to see if that would help. Most low carb diets aim for a very low amount of carbs which require a lot of work to achieve (especially if like me at the time you don't mostly cook at home), so I decided to just try lower the percent of calories that came from carbs rather than worry about the absolute amount.

I picked 40% because (1) that is lower that average and definitely lower than what I was consuming, and (2) it is real easy to track (more on that below).

I was just trying to see if this change in balance would affect blood sugar and wasn't actually trying to lower calories. So rather than do things like give up most bread like many of the low carb diets require, I got the carb calorie percent down by adding non-carbs. For example if my normal ham and cheese sandwich with low calorie mayo was 60% calories from carbs, I'd switch that to regular mayo and/or double meat and/or double cheese. That would add a couple hundred or so calories which would lower the percent from carbs. The grams of carbs wouldn't change.

Two things happened then. First, my blood sugar did start going down. Second, and unexpectedly, I started losing weight. I had been keeping a simple food log for years at that point and it revealed that I in fact was consuming less calories.

Apparently what was going on is that things like the double meat double cheese regular mayo sandwich were keeping me satisfied longer, so I naturally snacked less, and naturally started eating smaller portions.

In two years I was down to 280 lb, and completely off diabetes and cholesterol. (I'd always had high blood pressure, and going from 420-440 lb to 280 lb had no effect whatsoever on that).

Over the next maybe 18 months it crept up to 320-325 lb (so basically my high school weight) and it has been steady in that range ever since (6 or 7 years so far).

I said earlier that 40% is easy to track. That's because 1 g of carbs has ~4 calories. That means all you have to do is look at the nutrition label and if numerically calories/10 <= carb grams the thing is not over 40% calories from carbs. (You can subtract grams of fiber from the carb grams).

For a meal with multiple items, say a fast food burger and fast food fries and a diet soda you could total the calories and total the carbs and do the calculation on that, but an easier way is to do the burger and fries separately and add the over/under amounts together.

For example let's say you are contemplating a Burger King Whopper (670 calories, 51 carbs) and large fries (440 calories 59 carbs). For the burger calculate 670/10-51=16, and for the fries 440/10-59=-16. 16 + -16 = 0, and your burger and fries together is 40% calories from carbs.

It is also fairly easy to keep a running net for the day, so just remember that say at breakfast you came out say at -8 because you decided to treat yourself to a donut for desert. Then at lunch you could change that Whopper to a Whopper with Cheese (770 calories 53 carbs) which is +24 instead of +16, nicely cancelling out your breakfast donut as far as carb balance goes.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by 1-more on Thursday February 12, 2026 @12:00AM (#46985049)
> I had been keeping a simple food log for years at that point > It is also fairly easy to keep a running net for the day

Right, so there it is: whatever you did to get to a calorie deficit you need to keep doing to be calorie neutral. If it's take a GLP-1 then that works. If it's using pen and paper or an app or even vibes-based reckoning to track everything you eat, then it's that. Regardless it just doesn't seem like a valid criticism of any given weight loss strategy when I have yet to hear of one that doesn't have that feature

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by jselysianeagle on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:25PM (#46979567)
> GLP-1s

How do GLP-1s indicate a casino economy?

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by yndoendo on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @03:32PM (#46980499)
I would say the consolidation of small banks into the big banks has fostered this more the people want to admit.

Since banks like Wells Fargo bought up local ones, the equality distribution changes dramatically. Wells Fargo wants the big players while that little bank wanted local players. This causes the market to lack marbling in competition while creating a massive group think economic bubble.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by coolThingsFirst on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @03:47PM (#46980686)
Idiocracy pretty much
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by AngryData on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @05:19PM (#46982019)
I don't think the US is lacking labor capacity, I find it far more likely that capitalists are just too greedy to manufacture in the US because it would make their dividends and bonuses and valuations drop a few points. They lose nothing by outsourcing everything, worst case scenario they are handed government money and bailouts, meanwhile their dividends and bonuses still pay out the entire time. If the company fails because of that? Like the last time GM cut pensions using the excuse of bad financials they gave all their managers and c-suite massive bonuses. If their financials are bad enough to cut legally obligated pensions, how can they afford larger bonuses? Didn't they need that money to keep the business running? Anyone in the company with the power to change any of those things is also wealthy and connected enough from all that to jump ship without a problem.

Labor costs are a minority of expenses even in labor-heavy industries and most corporations profit margins far exceed even "ridiculous" raises in wages and pay for their average worker. But there is zero incentive to benefit average employees and customers and every incentive to try and screw as many over as possible.

Why earn 5% margin on a stable growth path that will remain secure 20+ years down the line when they can earn 10% margin through exploitation and outsourcing and then jump ship and reinvest that money in other business later on.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by senordevnyc on Thursday February 12, 2026 @10:27AM (#46989983)
My guess is that you don’t work in manufacturing and haven’t done any comparisons to see what it would cost to manufacture here vs other countries? Hint: it’s far more than a few percentage point difference. It usually means that you can no longer make a profit, because your product will have to be far more expensive than your competitors, and most people don’t care enough to “buy American” vs save a lot of money. And for some products, manufacturing here is literally just not an option at all.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by AngryData on Thursday February 12, 2026 @02:12PM (#46993555)
It is difficult to manufacture here, but not because of labor costs. It is because we outsourced all these businesses so many simply aren't available. The few that exist don't want the odd or one-off jobs, they don't have the equipment just sitting around unused or the trained employs sitting around waiting for work. They either got sold off decades ago, or got the business got destroyed by all the buyers chasing the pennies that outsourcing temporarily offered in the past.

Very few place are still holding onto older equipment because the places still operating cleared the floor space for higher speed higher volume equipment to try and maintain contracts with big purchasers that did or were threatening to leave to get that cheap unregulated foreign production. Turns out that didn't last forever, China isn't letting companies freely pollute anymore nor are they dumping subsidy money into manufacturing businesses to buy new equipment, but they still have all the equipment running, while much of the US equipment was either sold off or sat decaying and unused for decades.

Even if you could prove starting up a US manufacturing business to satisfy these demands was profitable, who is going to put up the investment money? There is no way such a business is going to be able to promise the same kind of returns as investing into tech companies, financial companies, or the overall stock market, and so they continue to mostly not exist. People with the capital to change things are seeking the greatest profit, not mediocre profits, and manufacturing in the US is mediocre profits for all but a few specialized industries.

TL;DR New US manufacturing production and capabilities lacks capital investment because profit margins are not super high and there is basically zero chance of an investment windfall.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by duxup on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @05:22PM (#46982065)
It’s funny too because the casino game that is being advertised…. most people’s sentiments regarding AI is very negative.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by lgleason on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @11:54AM (#46977401)
Only a golden age for the uber wealthy.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by morkalork on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @05:11PM (#46981913)
Gilded Age 2.0
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by llmslave on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:10PM (#46977636)
Even worse, look at white collar job growth among american citizens. It has been negative for years
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by oytis on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:11PM (#46977654)
US population has also barely grown so that us fine?
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by ceejayoz on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:17PM (#46977740)
Newborn babies don't go straight into the labor market.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by pc86 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:18PM (#46977756)
Newborn babies don't go straight into the labor market yet.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by throwway120385 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:48PM (#46978228)
The children yearn for the mines.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by coolThingsFirst on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @03:48PM (#46980696)
Legal working age needs to be reduced to 2, so they have the necessary 20 years of experience after college to get an entry level job.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by master_crab on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:22PM (#46977825)
Gotta drive that shareholder value.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by _DeadFred_ on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:14PM (#46979392)
Imagine how quickly we could end the national debt if Americans weren't so stingy with their labor like this.

"Dr. Oz Says Americans Starting Work 'Right Out Of High School' Or Retiring One Year Later Would 'More Than Remove' The National Debt"

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dr-oz-says-americans-starting...

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by oytis on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:51PM (#46978295)
What about working population? Did it grow?

I thought much of a slow population growth is due to lower immigration, not declining birth rates?

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by toomuchtodo on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:19PM (#46977784)
~400k workers leave the labor force through retirement or death every month, as a data point.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by lateforwork on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:14PM (#46977690)
Any jobs data coming from the government is worthless, because gov employees will be fired for anything that makes Trump look bad. See link below.

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/why-firing-bls-commissioner...

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by tk-1234 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:09PM (#46977621)
If most of the capital is in the hands of tech bros who live out their fantasies from 1980s SciFi novels, it is going to be misallocated.

The fake economy is now about AI, gambling and cryptocurrencies. It does not help that the current administration contains several Epstein disciples when Epstein was into these tech fantasies as well.

The misallocation of capital claims to grow the pie, but it dilutes the pie with fake growth so people that own the fake parts have more money to buy up the good parts.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by jimmaswell on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:37PM (#46978062)
Anyone lumping AI in with gambling and crypto scams has their head firmly in the sand. The value in making it easier to make computers do things for you is plainly obvious. People all across the tech literacy spectrum are seeing benefits, from coding projects that took days or weeks taking minutes to hours to finish to soccer moms telling their phones to fix up family photos and find them the email from the doctor's that's buried in their inbox. Competent doctors are getting help catching things from scans/symptoms that would take House MD to connect but are a breeze for an LLM, and there are numerous reports of people figuring out their own longstanding obscure medical issues by asking an LLM to speculate on their symptoms after a hundred doctors failed to diagnose it. Someone who can't afford to get ripped off by a mechanic and doesn't have the spare hours in the day and technical knowledge to Google it the old-fashioned way has a decent chance of solving simple car problems instantly on their own by asking ChatGPT or Gemini. It's frankly a miracle, and it keeps making more leaps and bounds every time the peanut gallery starts going on about it having hit a wall it can never improve from.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by giantg2 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:51PM (#46978283)
"Anyone lumping AI in with gambling and crypto scams has their head firmly in the sand."

I disagree. While some AI related stuff is promising, much of it is consumerist or data harvesting. Many people are basically gambling on any sort of stock related to AI (vs diversifying). Education is likely declining as adoption allows students to avoid critical thought or applying concepts.

"It's frankly a miracle, and it keeps making more leaps and bounds every time the peanut gallery starts going on about it having hit a wall it can never improve from."

Explainable by engineering isn't a miracle. It's just an expanse on neural nets and the other predecessors from 30 years ago. In my experience, it has trouble following basic directions such as keeping a summary to a single page.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by jimmaswell on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:57PM (#46978375)
> Education is likely declining as adoption allows students to avoid critical thought or applying concepts.

I highly doubt this will be the case. This common viewpoint is almost certainly no more than another iteration of Plato decrying the invention of books.

> Explainable by engineering isn't a miracle.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/miracle

    2: an extremely outstanding or unusual event, thing, or accomplishment. "The bridge is a miracle of engineering."
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by giantg2 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:25PM (#46978737)
Books and calculators still required knowledge of concepts and application. That's vastly different from students today asking AI to write a book report for them and retaining no knowledge from it.

I don't consider AI to be outstanding. Maybe that bridge they're talking about was. Seems that this comes down to opinion.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by TimorousBestie on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:59PM (#46978407)
On the other hand, it’s not clear if any of it is sustainably profitable. Zitron has done a lot of reporting in this area, but since he’s “controversial” let’s stick with Forbes and the case of Sora (2025):

https://www.forbes.com/sites/phoebeliu/2025/11/10/openai-spe...

As far as I can tell, the math isn’t getting any better. The financial costs of running an AI service are enormous and it’s not clear where sufficient revenue is going to magically come from once the aggressive loss-leading ends.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by a_better_world on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @03:18PM (#46980316)
sounds a bit like https://thechoiceengine.substack.com/p/the-strip-mining-of-t...

"The strip mining of trust" is a metaphor describing the unsustainable extraction of social capital—honesty, reputation, and goodwill—for short-term, selfish efficiency or profit. Similar to ecological destruction, this process erodes long-term, foundational trust, leaving behind hollowed-out institutions and requiring massive future effort to restore.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by josefritzishere on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @11:53AM (#46977382)
The US lost 600,000 jobs just in January. The future is bleak.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by nindalf on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @11:56AM (#46977425)
What?

> America’s economy added 130,000 jobs in January, almost double the number that analysts had been expecting, indicating that the labour market might have picked up after months of apparent stagnation. Unemployment also fell to 4.3%, a slight dip from the previous month. The figures may put off the Federal Reserve from lowering interest rates as quickly as Donald Trump would like.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by rybosworld on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:09PM (#46977620)
Yeah not sure where the 600k figure is coming from. But that 130k that's being reported is almost certainly not correct, and will be revised down.

The ADP is only reporting 22k for January. Which lines up very closely with the monthly pace of job creation for 2025 (~15k, on average).

The downward revisions on the BLS numbers for 2025 are the largest on record. There's a sentiment that the monthly numbers were purposely inflated for 2025.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by mandevil on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:01PM (#46978435)
> There's a sentiment that the monthly numbers were purposely inflated for 2025.

Jobs data (which comes from a survey of employers) is always subject to revisions, and the revisions have gotten worse. But it's not necessarily political. Back when Trump unprecedentedly fired Erika McEntarfer (former head of the BLS) I looked into this and tried to understand where the data comes from, how it works.

Basically, the BLS surveys 50k out of the several million companies in the US. But response rates have dropped rather strongly since the Pandemic in particular. If you give them 3 months, it gets up to 90%, but after 1 month it is only 50%. This would be okay, except that the response rates turn out to be skewed: large companies almost always respond quickly, small companies respond more slowly. And small companies tend to be much more responsive to the state of the overall economy than large companies- for good and for bad. And even the response times of the small companies turn out to be sensitive to economic trends, for good and for bad: the companies that respond more slowly to surveys, it turns out, tend to be the most sensitive to the broader economy, the first to fire in a recession, but also the first to hire when the economy is getting better.

The final thing is that these companies can be highly correlated with each other and the broader economy. So there are always corrections, but in placid economic weather the corrections cancel out- some of the extrapolations are high, some are low, it ends up being close to 0. And the financial markets understand how to read these corrections. They understand that when the economy is shifting you will get all of the misses in the same direction- either high or low- and to pay attention these corrections data.

All of these misses low in 2025 are a very bad sign for the economy overall, not necessarily a sign of political pressure. That would probably show up in large, sustained differences to the ADP numbers or other privately reported numbers, rather than revisions announced by the BLS itself.

Both Trump I's appointee to head the BLS, William Beach (who served from 2019-2023) and Biden's appointee Erika McEntarfer (whom Trump fired in 2025) wanted to modernize the survey system, make it easier for companies to respond, and get better and faster data collection. But, because this system is so incredibly important to the markets, they wanted a larger budget to run the new system and the old system together for a significant portion of time (several years) so that everyone would be comfortable understanding the intricacies of the system, what revisions would mean, etc. And since they didn't get that budget (in fact it got cut) they decided to prioritize the old system rather than throw it away and experiment with something different.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by jeffbee on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:37PM (#46978890)
Good explanation. I think it's sad that people find it easier to adopt imaginary theory of why labor statistics are flawed than they are to simply go read their methodology. People don't want to believe that there are BLS statisticians working the phones and knocking on doors. They don't want to know that there are hundreds of USDA employees tasked with writing down the retail price of carrots in every major American city every day. They aren't interested in how Census takers judge the population by counting gas and electric meters. They'd rather believe that bureaucrats are evil and incompetent.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by mandevil on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @08:53PM (#46983948)
I think it's the rise of authoritarianism: we are losing trust in truth, in what is said, the day to day social trust is dissolving. It worries me an awful lot, but it seems like we're (1) destroying the basis for much of our society and prosperity. All of the social technology we've amassed over the past century and a half seems to be in decline.

1: American English language culture I can read as an insider, and I pay some attention to the UK culture as well. I'm sadly monolingual so I have vague understanding of other countries, but they seem on a broadly similar path.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by taeric on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:00PM (#46977479)
I'm assuming this is talking about the revised numbers for 2025? And if that revised so heavily downward, hard to imagine the latest numbers are somehow more stable?
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by dataflow on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:10PM (#46977631)
How does BLS even know if each person in the country is unemployed or seeking a job?
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by rybosworld on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:17PM (#46977748)
Mostly through payroll data/surveys.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by mandevil on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:43PM (#46978152)
The same way that anyone would: they conduct a statistical sample and report unemployment numbers based on that. Source: 15 years ago I was one of the people they contacted. As I recall, a letter came to our apartment, asking for the adult (18+) who had their birthday closest to that date to contact them and provide a phone number and some basic demographic data. That was me, not my roommate, so for the next 12 months I got a call once a month asking me for my employment details about a specific week that month- had I been looking for a job, was I still employed, etc.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by JohnMakin on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:24PM (#46977841)
Just a weird, completely unscientific personal metric I've used to note that the economy seems like it's shrinking - last year was the first year I've seen since the release of the original switch where switch/switch 2 was not constantly sold out (usually poached by resellers early in the AM) every time I visit target. There's a full shelf of them since late last summer. Unless nintendo actually produced enough units for the first time in recent company history, I suspect it indicates something.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by deron12 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:32PM (#46977972)
Unscientific indeed:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-17/nintendo-... [0]

They produced a record number...your observation should be the expected result (they are aiming to produce 25% more than are expected to sell).

[0] https://archive.is/RInO7

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by legitster on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:40PM (#46978113)
Yeah, Switch 2 sales are actually outpacing Switch 1 sales.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by Larrikin on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:46PM (#46978202)
Nintendo indicated when the Switch 2 was launching that they were going to do their best to ensure a large supply and make sure actual players were prioritized. They did not want resellers to be profitable and did not want to create a situation like the PlayStation.

It still sold out and was a little difficult to get on release, but consoles came out at a pretty quick pace and resellers basically could not unload their stock for a profit. It became a bit of a joke about the resellers not being able to unload their stock because stores were getting replenishment stocks so often and Nintendo was constantly sending out emails to players saying they had been selected to buy directly from Nintendo.

I had my personal Switch 2 from the store within about a month of casual checking around and got one for a Christmas gift directly from Nintendo the next week.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by snovymgodym on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:45PM (#46978171)
Gaming technology is kind of stagnant, and there aren't the sort of technical leaps between generations anymore. Games today look and feel like games from 2014 with slightly better graphics (and more aggressive monetization).

The Switch has been out since 2017 and has probably reached market saturation at this point. Keep in mind that consoles are pretty durable and lots of people buy used. The Switch 2 isn't selling well yet since it has the PS3 disease (no games).

Anyways, the economy is probably bad but I don't think Nintendo Switch sales are much of an indicator for that.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by mschild on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:50PM (#46978261)
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by tomwojcik on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @05:00PM (#46981761)
Outside Japan, sales are worse than expected. https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendo-acknowledges-switch-2-...

> Sales figures collated by The Game Business last month showed that U.S. Switch 2 sales over the holiday period were down around 35% versus the Switch 1's first holiday sales performance back in 2017. In the UK, a similar comparison saw Switch 2 lagging Switch 1 by 16%. Even in Nintendo's homeland of Japan, Switch 2 holiday sales couldn't match Switch 1, and were down by 5.5% over the year's final nine weeks.

> In France, 2025's final tally of Switch 2 sales was down by "over 30%" versus the amount Switch 1 notched up back in 2017

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by mschild on Thursday February 12, 2026 @01:31AM (#46985480)
Switch 2 is the fastest selling console of all time right now. [0]

They sold more than 17 million units in less than a year. The Wii U only sold 13 million over its entire lifetime. The Switch 1 took 2 years to reach 20 million, and the Switch 2 will very likely reach that number in less than half the time. Nintendo may have expected even higher sales numbers but saying that

> The Switch 2 isn't selling well

is simply not true.

[0] https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/nintendo-switch-2-s...

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by gruez on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:28PM (#46977904)
>last year was the first year I've seen since the release of the original switch where switch/switch 2 was not constantly sold out (usually poached by resellers early in the AM) every time I visit target. There's a full shelf of them since late last summer.

Don't you expect demand to taper off as more people get their hands on it? It also doesn't help that the switch 2 is basically "the switch, but better".

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by JohnMakin on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:31PM (#46977955)
This never happened with the switch. I am not kidding. 2023 I was trying to buy one for my sister, and it took me months of waiting for target to open and beating the resellers to it, because I didn't want to overspend online (plus online stock frequently sold out). It was released in 2017!

Nintendo is notorious for under producing their consoles vs demand in recent years - the worst example was the mini NES or whatever they called it, they could not keep it on shelves for that one either.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by sarchertech on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:42PM (#46978140)
I bought 2 switches without any issues. 1 around the time you did.

Months of waiting for target to open sounds insane and is so far from my experience that I think this is actually a case of you were holding it wrong.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by coke12 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:39PM (#46978088)
Anecdotally I have bought 2 switches over its lifetime and never saw any of this ever. Just clicked “buy” on Amazon.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by devin on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:37PM (#46978066)
If we're bringing anecdata to the party: I bought OLED shortly after it came out and did not have any trouble.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by kjkjadksj on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:29PM (#46977927)
Do you remember switch 1 or wii demand?
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by palmotea on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:31PM (#46977971)
> last year was the first year I've seen since the release of the original switch where switch/switch 2 was not constantly sold out (usually poached by resellers early in the AM) every time I visit target. There's a full shelf of them since late last summer. Unless nintendo actually produced enough units for the first time in recent company history, I suspect it indicates something.

Well, I remember the same thing happening with the Wii for a long time, and then eventually it was easily available.

But now I can't find a Wii at a Target anywhere, so the economy must be booming?

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by ta9000 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:25PM (#46977855)
It doesn’t help that the Switch 2 library is woefully inadequate.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by PlatoIsADisease on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:48PM (#46978230)
This didn't affect Wii, WiiU, Switch or Switch 2.

Either people are waking up that Nintendo is selling nostalgia or the economy is not doing well.

I hope the former, there is something that feels sick to think Nintendo force fed corporate mascots to me when I was under the age of 1. To this day, I religiously buy Zelda games, even though I haven't enjoyed them since N64. FOMO mind control.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by philistine on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:09PM (#46979322)
What are you talking about? The WiiU sold like crap! It was a disaster! And a big reason it was a disaster was because the Wii itself was not selling anymore. It was over and out, people were fed up with it. Nintendo is a very very very bad economic indicator, they're on their own planet, and they're far from selling nostalgia. They're selling well known characters in new environments. They completely redesigned Donkey Kong, that's not what a company coasting on nostalgia would do!
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by PlatoIsADisease on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @07:38PM (#46983366)
> They're selling well known characters in new environments. They completely redesigned Donkey Kong, that's not what a company coasting on nostalgia would do!

Wat

But seriously... Wat?

Do you realize what you said?

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by mullingitover on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:31PM (#46977965)
May as well call this what it is: stagflation.

The anemic employment market calls for lower rates, but inflation still persistently being 50% higher than it should be calls for rate hikes.

My prediction: this inflation isn't going away without viciously painful rate hikes. It'll probably get worse.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by kilroy123 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:40PM (#46978924)
I personally think we'll end up in a depression.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by xnx on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:41PM (#46978121)
Stagflation or vibecession? Surveys say people feel down about the economy, but their spending says otherwise.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by bryanlarsen on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @04:09PM (#46981000)
Spending is up in the top 10% and down in the bottom 90%. Average spending is up, median spending is down, adjusted for inflation.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by mullingitover on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:07PM (#46978507)
I don't think "U.S. Jobs Disappear At Fastest January Pace Since Great Recession"[1] is vibes.

The future picture on inflation also looks bleak[2]:

> Taken individually, lagged tariff pass‑through, tightening labor supply, looser fiscal policy, and accommodative financial conditions would each push inflation modestly higher. Taken together—and interacting with increasingly fragile household inflation expectations—they create a macro environment in which inflation rising above 4 percent by the end of 2026 is not only plausible but arguably the most likely scenario.

It's common knowledge that the spending in the current economy is very K-shaped: the top 10% are the only ones staying above water.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikestunson/2026/02/05/us-jobs-...

[2] https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2026/risk-high...

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by tencentshill on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @03:52PM (#46980755)
Those 2 groups are increasingly separate populations.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by dlisboa on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:58PM (#46978388)
Obviously not a macroeconomic analysis but if you watch YouTube channels like Caleb Hammer it seems people are literally spending their life away. No planning, no asset building, just hedonistic stuff. The kind of people you see there have the mentality of: "I'll never pay this debt down anyway so I'll max out my loans to do what I want before I die". Not very optimistic, even if it inflates the consumer market.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by pibaker on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @03:27PM (#46980453)
I don't think you can draw any conclusion about the economic health of the entire population from a small number of cherry-picked cases so egregious that a YouTuber deemed entertaining enough to turn them into monetized videos.

I can tell you about the people around me making below median income and still raising families, but it would not be interesting enough for YouTube.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by tencentshill on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @03:54PM (#46980788)
Youtube is entertainment designed to get clicks, and the algorithm enhances biases. Fox news hosts would likely be youtubers if they started their careers today.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by xnx on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:00PM (#46979214)
The rich cheat taxes with "Buy, Borrow, Die". It's only fair the poor should have their own strategy.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by mullingitover on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:18PM (#46978649)
I hope that when I die, people say about me, 'Boy, that guy sure owed me a lot of money.'

- Jack Handey

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by dlisboa on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:31PM (#46978806)
A great example of what seems to be the current ethos for the generation (I realize Handey isn't of this generation). Very much "nothing matters as we'll all die anyway, who cares about what comes after". I don't fault the sentiment, to be clear, it's just an indication of the socio-economic situation that fostered it.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by alphawhisky on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:52PM (#46979112)
Look into Doom spending. Excessive spending is actually a psychological response to hardship for consumers in 1st world countries. It's a documented phenomenon that has happened in the past and is exacerbated by social media, gamification of wealth, and general incompetence (all of which are on the uptrend).
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by martythemaniak on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:39PM (#46978104)
With Trump appointing himself Fed chair after jpow's term is over get ready for jazz hands more unprecedented times!
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by misterbishop on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:32PM (#46977979)
We're living through an extended recession statistically masked by the AI bubble.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by ChrisArchitect on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:36PM (#46978049)
Related:

U.S. jobs disappear at fastest January pace since great recession

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46925669

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by bitwize on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:46PM (#46978196)
The economy is getting one-shotted by AI.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by JohnTHaller on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @12:46PM (#46978200)
Word on the street is the January numbers are about to get revised down by a good bit.
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by kd913 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @01:04PM (#46978467)
The US job stats were revised down for 2025 to 181k, but somehow the Country gained 130k in January?

Is anyone looking at this and the CBO figures and not just realising the government is straight lying about the figures?

Gonna believe Powell and Waller on this one.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by keeda on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @02:37PM (#46979747)
I've mentioned this before (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45987316), but I follow a labor economist on LinkedIn who puts things into a balanced perspective. The thing he reminds us often is you can't take these numbers in isolation.

Job numbers need to be considered in the context of a lot of other numbers, including population growth. As the other top thread yesterday highlighted, the US is experiencing slowing population growth, which may also have been exacerbated by the recent upheavals in immigration.

I may be butchering the theory here, but the point is that the economy is a dynamic, inter-connected system, and a smaller population requires fewer jobs. (As a silly example, you need many more car mechanics for a town with a population of 1000 as opposed to a population of 100.) That actually has implications for GDP growth as well.

That's not to say the overall economy is doing great, just that these job numbers should not be taken as a complete indicator of it.

Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by dk8996 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @05:00PM (#46981763)
I've been tracking number of post in "Who wants to be hired", this month has been the highest I a few years
Re:U.S. had almost no job growth in 2025 by 1vuio0pswjnm7 on Wednesday February 11, 2026 @11:19PM (#46984869)
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/11/business/economy/after-a-...

1Q 2026: 130,000 jobs added, unemployment 4.3%

"It is true that some of the fields that have been adopting A.I. fastest - such as information and professional and business services - have been shedding jobs. That is also partly because those fields hired much more quickly during the pandemic years, and have been going through a correction."

IT, finance losing jobs

Healthcare, manufacturing gaining jobs