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Re:The case for induction cooking by leoedin on Saturday March 12, 2022 @04:25PM (#30655017)
I fitted an AEG induction hob in our kitchen about 3 years ago. It is absolutely amazing. It's so controllable - you can go from "barely hot enough to melt chocolate" to "so hot your pans start discolouring and everything burns" - and back again - in seconds (and everything in-between obviously).

I always thought gas was the best for cooking. But I was wrong - induction is. Gas is great for medium-high power cooking, but it falls apart for lower temps, and it's very hard to get it consistent. The only time I really miss gas is when stir frying - you can't really use woks on induction.

It's also wipe clean!

Re:The case for induction cooking by cespare on Saturday March 12, 2022 @04:52PM (#30655262)
It's true that most induction cooktops/ranges aren't great for woks, but in principle the induction surface doesn't have to be flat -- it can be a concave shape to match the wok.

In fact these exist -- if you search for "induction wok burners" you can see some pictures. (I only recently became aware of this after watching this video of a chef who uses induction cooking in a small kitchen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooNzRrHA9VY)

Perhaps in the future there will be cooktops that include a wok depression on the surface, similar to how some gas stoves today include a built-in wok ring.

Re:The case for induction cooking by mattmaroon on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:12AM (#30658204)
You’ll never really get wok hei with induction. It’s a mistake to think of a wok as just a differently shaped pan. Proper wok cooking is cooking is actually mechanically different. It’s mostly done with the hot air that rises up the side of the wok. Modernist cuisine has a great cutaway illustration on this.

The food is constantly flipped into the air above the wok where it is heated by the extremely hot air.

Of course very few homes in the western world have gas burners powerful enough for that anyway. I actually practice on a turkey fryer.

Re:The case for induction cooking by danuker on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:00AM (#30659774)
> It’s mostly done with the hot air that rises up the side of the wok.

I am not a cook, but I find it difficult to believe that the heat going by the sides of the pan is cooking the food, rather than the heat going through the pan and heating the air above the pan.

This is because where I've seen someone cooking on a wok, the food barely goes past the edge of the pan.

A sufficiently wok-shaped induction stove will induce the same heat as that going through the pan.

Re:The case for induction cooking by chillacy on Sunday March 13, 2022 @08:10AM (#30660541)
Afaik there is a motion of tossing food in a wok where you throw the food past the rim and catch it again. The moment the food passes the rim, a small flame ignites from the high heat and food oils, creating complex flavors. If you go to Asian restaurants with a wok station or to Southeast Asia/south China you can see this in action.
Re:The case for induction cooking by mattmaroon on Sunday March 13, 2022 @05:20PM (#30665835)
No offense but you’ve just not seen people doing it properly then. If you live in the western world that’s not surprising.

I can’t find a high enough resolution pic on the internet of the modernist cuisine cutaway to actually read the text but here’s the image:

https://images.app.goo.gl/cZWmqecLWTSdxSeX6

Wok Hei translates to “breath of the wok” for a reason. The food is constantly in the air, which allows it to dry out. The food spends most of its time not even touching the wok so no, you can’t do it on induction.

Here’s a good description from the Michelin guide:

https://guide.michelin.com/en/article/dining-out/what-is-wok...

Re:The case for induction cooking by danuker on Monday March 14, 2022 @09:03AM (#30671917)
> The food is constantly in the air, which allows it to dry out

Thank you for treating my ignorance!

Since in order to keep it in the air you have to constantly raise the pot from the cooker, and since induction can't work too far, it is clear why it doesn't work.

Re:The case for induction cooking by mattmaroon on Monday March 14, 2022 @07:04PM (#30679682)
Correct! Watch someone who is doing it right and you’ll see the wok and food are in near constant motion. It just can’t be done with anything other than fire.

And there’s no way most of us in the west would know this. Not many people outside of the kitchen a Chinese restaurant would ever see someone do it right here. Most of us just treat a wok like a funny shaped pan.

I’ve been trying to learn the technique for a few years and I’m not great at it.

Re:The case for induction cooking by traceroute66 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:19AM (#30659895)
> You’ll never really get wok hei with induction.

In a home context its irrelevant. You're not doing true wok cooking at home anyway, your piddly little small bore home gas feed won't be providing anywhere near the required intensity.

Re:The case for induction cooking by UncleMeat on Sunday March 13, 2022 @09:45AM (#30661147)
Yep. All of the “I want wok hei” complaints are nonsense because virtually no indoor burner ever gets that hot. If you cook in a wok often and want the restaurant taste then an outdoor propane burner does the trick for only a few hundred bucks.
Re:The case for induction cooking by sn9 on Monday March 14, 2022 @06:55PM (#30679602)
Very few homes in the eastern world have gas burners powerful enough for wok hei either.

It's mostly a restaurant thing to have burners that powerful.

Re:The case for induction cooking by tomchuk on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:26PM (#30656074)
Kenji Lopez-Alt, of Seriouseats and “The Food Lab” fame, is coming out with his new book, “The Wok”, here is his travel rig: https://www.instagram.com/p/CaxbNwdvOTR/. I’ve had a similar wok hob for years, and while fitting the wok to the curvature of the hob is essential, once you’ve got that figured out, it’s an absolute joy to use. Even, fast, powerful heat - nowhere near to a commercial gas hob, but neither is my gas range at home. My next home or kitchen reno will be induction, not even considering gas.
Re:The case for induction cooking by shaklee3 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @11:57PM (#30658119)
his book came out a couple days ago. highly recommend it.
Re:The case for induction cooking by hallway_monitor on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:33AM (#30658293)
I made his smash burger today I think originally based on an HN recommendation. I also highly recommend it. https://youtu.be/Wwgn5k_TzKM
Re:The case for induction cooking by ghostpepper on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:28PM (#30655577)
Isn't the reason why woks need gas also that the gas creates a smooth heat gradient up the sides of the wok? How far away from the surface of the stove can an induction element heat a pan?
Re:The case for induction cooking by angry_octet on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:53PM (#30655779)
About 1mm.

You're correct, but times change, and the carbon steel wok over a giant burner isn't very suitable for apartment cooking anyway. There are now works designed for use on induction (with aluminium conduction to achieve a heat gradient), and they work pretty well. Also much healthier for the occupants, not as hot in the kitchen and cheaper to operate.

In countries with 240v/10A sockets a plug in electric wok is fine for home cooking. On 110v/15A it is still better than electric radiative cooking, but not as good as gas.

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/1005003076266949.html

Re:The case for induction cooking by AmericanChopper on Sunday March 13, 2022 @04:01AM (#30659020)
> There are now works designed for use on induction (with aluminium conduction to achieve a heat gradient), and they work pretty well.

This perspective drives me crazy. OK, so induction cooktops are good for the environment. But flat bottom woks are not woks, and you can’t do wok cooking on an induction cooktop. The only people who think that you can, are people who completely lack an understanding of wok cooking techniques.

Re:The case for induction cooking by angry_octet on Sunday March 13, 2022 @05:13AM (#30659470)
Why do you think Alibaba (click the link!) has a thousand induction cookers, including ones with a spherical wok shape? You're saying the Chinese don't know how to stir fry?!
Re:The case for induction cooking by AmericanChopper on Sunday March 13, 2022 @05:06PM (#30665698)
Somebody sells it on Alibaba, so therefore it must be a high quality thing that works properly?... I can see where you might have gone wrong here.
Re:The case for induction cooking by angry_octet on Monday March 14, 2022 @09:41AM (#30672304)
Okay okay, Americans know all about the whole world, I give up: You're right, it's impossible, stick to gas. Enjoy your self confident bubble.
Re:The case for induction cooking by AmericanChopper on Monday March 14, 2022 @10:08PM (#30680983)
I have lived in various places around Asia for about 30 years, including almost my entire childhood. I have spent a tremendous amount of time and effort learning traditional cooking methods from the places I have lived, and I have never ever seen an induction wok cooker in the wild. Alibaba is filled with all sorts of completely useless inventions that never accomplish anything other than a small amount of buyers regret.

I know for a fact that you are arguing from a position of ignorance here, because it is physically impossible for an induction cooktop to replicate what gas provides a wok, which is hot air, something induction surfaces don’t produce. So I’d recommend that you do at least a small amount of research on the topic before you resort to such low effort (and hilariously inaccurate) ad-homs.

Re:The case for induction cooking by rsfern on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:37PM (#30655651)
It sounds like the induction element cradles the wok. I don’t know about the thermal gradient thing (seems plausible) but in principle you could make a gradient in the field strength right?

I would have thought that a bigger drawback would be that you can’t get even heat input while tossing the wok, though I’m not sure how essential that is

Re:The case for induction cooking by namibj on Sunday March 13, 2022 @01:21AM (#30658490)
The coils are light enough that you could have them under spring-pressure and lubricated against the wok, so medium tossing height won't affect heat transfer. It's just a ~1mm thick planar coil out of "Litz wire", covered by a glass plate in a normal stove top.

See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Induktionskochfeld_S... for what's under the plate. The center silver thing is likely a thermostat/temperature sensor. The electronics may need to be a bit less ignorant to handle a flexible coil, but tracking the tank's resonance isn't even a difficult task; a Royer/Baxandall oscillator could probably be made to work.

Re:The case for induction cooking by mattmaroon on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:14AM (#30658211)
No it’s actually because you cook with the extremely hot jet of air that rises up over the sides! You can get that from induction since it doesn’t heat the air.
Re:The case for induction cooking by omginternets on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:49PM (#30655743)
So now we need two different kinds of cooking surface? I'm reminded of Dijkstra's story about trains.
Re:The case for induction cooking by sjburt on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:39PM (#30656664)
I've never understood why we need 4 or 5 burner ranges, possibly with a slight size variations. I really only ever want one high power burner and one simmer burner. A dedicated wok burner sounds like a great addition. Another option would be to abandon the dedicated range entirely, and have a variety of countertop induction units that can be stored away when not in use. I don't think you could sell a home with a kitchen like that but it would be a big win for versatility, especially in small homes.
Re:The case for induction cooking by SamBam on Saturday March 12, 2022 @10:10PM (#30657524)
> I've never understood why we need 4 or 5 burner ranges, possibly with a slight size variations. I really only ever want one high power burner and one simmer burner.

I don't mean this to sound rude, though I know it will, but this is the literal definition of "argument from ignorance."

You don't use more than two burners, so you don't know why a stove needs more than two.

I personally frequently cook with three or all four burners. Further, there are meals where I might use the two small back burners, and meals where I might use the two large front ones.

I guess you could be describing a need for stoves that came with just two burners, for those who couldn't imagine using more. But, seriously, would you have bought a two-burner model if it had been available, knowing that you might have wished for more even one night a year?

Re:The case for induction cooking by Wowfunhappy on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:10AM (#30658194)
IMO, this would be a major advantage of countertop units. Buy two or four or six or eight, store them away in the cabinet when they’re not in use and enjoy the extra counterspace, bring them out when you need them.
Re:The case for induction cooking by exitb on Sunday March 13, 2022 @01:00AM (#30658406)
It’s not THAT much of an advantage, since the area of unused burners can be already used as extra counter space, since it flat and resilient. Actually that seems like a major advantage over a gas stove, that’s rarely mentioned.
Re:The case for induction cooking by morsch on Sunday March 13, 2022 @09:23AM (#30661006)
I thought about doing this, but it didn't make any sense for me. The countertop units are inefficient in terms of space compared to regular stovetops. This isn't suprising, due to component sharing, the need for a case, etc. As soon as you regularly use two of them, you might as well have a stovetop.

There are also down considerations of power (wiring and maximum output) and noise (induction units have fans, which are less noticeable in stovetops), safety (accident risk from cables, tilting, etc) and convenience.

It might work if your everyday usage involves zero to one units. Which is certainly possible, if you don't cook much, but even if you are and you're using other heat sources like a rice cooker, oven, grill, microwave, etc.

Not a terrible idea to have one around when you're limited by your normal capacity, or when you want to simmer a stew at a buffet, or your stovetop breaks or you are redoing your kitchen.

Re:The case for induction cooking by samarthr1 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @10:49PM (#30657756)
Perhaps because you will want to cook 4-5 things at the same time?

Aor of Indian households when preparing a traditional lunch will have 5-6 items (in the south, particularly in a Brahmin household, you will have one sambhar, one rasam, three vegetable currys, rice, and a fried item usually appalam). This entire meal takes three hours or so to prepare from scratch on my stove (a three burner lpg stove). Two more usable burners will cut this down to about 2 hours

Re:The case for induction cooking by wutbrodo on Saturday March 12, 2022 @11:53PM (#30658102)
I am pretty amateur at cooking, and I use three burners most of the time that I'm making a proper meal. I'm pretty surprised to hear that this wouldn't be very common for the average cook.
Re:The case for induction cooking by AmericanChopper on Sunday March 13, 2022 @04:05AM (#30659041)
What type of average cook? The average south Asian cook? The average Mexican cook? The average Chinese cook?…
Re:The case for induction cooking by unmole on Saturday March 12, 2022 @11:16PM (#30657905)
> south, particularly in a Brahmin household, you will have one sambhar, one rasam, three vegetable currys

This is not even remotely typical.

Re:The case for induction cooking by worik on Saturday March 12, 2022 @11:58PM (#30658122)
>> south, particularly in a Brahmin household, you will have one sambhar, one rasam, three vegetable currys

> This is not even remotely typical.

Digress!

What is typical?

It is always good to learn about people's lifestyles....

Re:The case for induction cooking by unmole on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:20AM (#30658243)
South India consists of fives states and one Union Territory, all with different languages, culture and culinary styles. A meal in a Brahmin household in Hyderabad will be very different to one in Chennai with probably only rice being the common feature. Curry is too generic to be a useful descriptor.

It's hard to make broad generalizations. But having been to all six divisions and having lived in three of them, I feel very confident in saying that a household that cooks three different curries, sambar and rasam for a single meal is very atypical. What GP described sounds closer to a restaurant set course meal and not something a household would cook on a day to day basis.

Re:The case for induction cooking by AmericanChopper on Sunday March 13, 2022 @04:11AM (#30659072)
I helped prepare lunch in a Punjabi household this afternoon, and on the stove there was rice, two subjis, chai and a roti tawa all at the same time. I would consider this a typical (if not modest) lunch routine amongst the many Punjabi households in which I have had lunch.
Re:The case for induction cooking by unmole on Sunday March 13, 2022 @04:35AM (#30659214)
> and on the stove there was rice, two subjis, chai and a roti tawa all at the same time.

So, they had 5 burners?

Anyways, my comment was more about the number of dishes. Two curries as in your example is fairly typical. Three curries, a sambar and a rasam like the GP said is definitely not. Chai at lunchtime does sound strange to me but then again, I'm not really familiar with Punjabi culinary preferences.

Re:The case for induction cooking by genocidicbunny on Saturday March 12, 2022 @09:11PM (#30657211)
I think there's both a practical and aesthetic reason.

The practical reason is that people have different sized pots and pans. I don't want to put my small sauce pan on a large burner that will waste the majority of its heating surface. Similarly, I need a large surface to heat a big pan.

The aesthetic is that a lot of cooktops are combination stove/oven and thus have to be big enough for the oven bit. Once you already have that surface area, you might as well fill it up to make it seem more substantial. A stovetop with room for 4/5 burners will look like the manufacturer skimped out if it has only 2 burners.

Re:The case for induction cooking by bluGill on Saturday March 12, 2022 @09:07PM (#30657188)
I normally only need one or two burners. But a couple times per year I need all 4 and am wishing for more. I try to cook a variety of meals
Re:The case for induction cooking by kergonath on Sunday March 13, 2022 @04:01AM (#30659019)
I almost always use 3: one for pasta/rice/vegetables, one for some meat, and one for some kind of sauce.
Re:The case for induction cooking by worik on Saturday March 12, 2022 @11:53PM (#30658096)
One day I want a kitchen in which I can have every cool appliance -c steam toasters, waffle irons, cheese toast makers, microwave ovens, air fryers, fat fryers, gas hobs, induction hobs....

I could play hockey in it too!

Re:The case for induction cooking by noveltyaccount on Saturday March 12, 2022 @04:29PM (#30655052)
I got a flat bottom wok that I am happy stir frying on my induction cooktop. The flat bottom gets rippin hot and the sides only warm. Have to work within that smaller hot zone but I prefer the wok to skillet for containing the mess.
Re:The case for induction cooking by Kon-Peki on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:06PM (#30655389)
Lodge makes a flat-bottom cast iron wok (the interior cooking surface is completely rounded, however). It's too heavy for my kitchen scale, but according to my bathroom scale it is between 11 and 12 pounds. You'll need two hands to move it around :)

https://www.amazon.com/Lodge-Pro-Logic-Handles-14-inch-Black...

Re:The case for induction cooking by Aaargh20318 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:04PM (#30655873)
> I got a flat bottom wok

There is no such thing. A round bottom is a defining feature of a wok. If it doesn’t have a round bottom it isn’t a wok by definition. A round bottom is essential to how a wok is used.

Re:The case for induction cooking by SECProto on Sunday March 13, 2022 @01:00AM (#30658404)
> > I got a flat bottom wok

> There is no such thing.

Here's[1] Kenji talking about a "flat-bottomed wok". My Chinese friends cook on a flat bottomed wok and call it a wok. So I'm sorry, but your linguistic rigidity is misplaced.

[1] https://youtu.be/u2MJzEuI0vI?t=301

Re:The case for induction cooking by m3kw9 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:22PM (#30656553)
The original wok has round bottom because the Chinese at the time was poor and it allowed them to use less oil to cook as it pools easily
Re:The case for induction cooking by Aaargh20318 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:59PM (#30656782)
Yes, and that’s a defining feature of a wok. You can use a flat bottom wok and add a shitload of oil but that kind of changes the dish, and not for the better.
Re:The case for induction cooking by noveltyaccount on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:15PM (#30655965)
Lol this is an unusual hill to die on
Re:The case for induction cooking by Aaargh20318 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:19PM (#30656002)
Not sure what you’re trying to say. A wok is a very specific type of cookware for specific uses cases. The round bottom is the entire point of a wok. A flat bottom wok is like a square wheel.
Re:The case for induction cooking by elil17 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:48PM (#30656265)
Cannot imagine why op wrote “flat bottomed wok” instead of “A pan similar in shape to a wok, but with a flat bottom, so that it can be used on induction cooktops but still allows for the tossing motion that cooks use to mix ingredients in a wok”
Re:The case for induction cooking by Aaargh20318 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:52PM (#30656736)
Easy tossing for stir fry is just one feature of a wok. For example, the round bottom causes liquids to pool in the center.

I’m not saying that large flat bottom frying pans with high edges aren’t useful, I have one and it’s probably my most used pan, it’s just not a complete replacement for a wok.

Re:The case for induction cooking by wtallis on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:04PM (#30656415)
You're being argumentative instead of clarifying what you're trying to say. If you've read the other comments in this thread, then you can see there are things being sold as woks that have a flat bottom on the outside but still have a curved surface on the inside. Do these also offend your notion of what may be referred to as a wok?
Re:The case for induction cooking by Aaargh20318 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:14PM (#30656491)
Yes, woks are made of thin sheet steel. This allows them to heat up and cool down instantly. If it has a flat outside and round inside then it must have a lot of mass and thus cannot cool down instantly when removed from heat. Again, an essential feature of a wok.
Re:The case for induction cooking by noveltyaccount on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:27PM (#30656585)
My flat bottom wok is still made from a thin sheet of carbon steel. It heats and cools instantly, performing the essential function of a wok. The bottom has a flat surface inside and out. You're tilting at windmills, mate.

This is the wok:

https://kenhomwoks.com/store/products/ken-hom-excellence-car...

Re:The case for induction cooking by Aaargh20318 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:55PM (#30656759)
> It heats and cools instantly, performing the essential function of a wok. The bottom has a flat surface inside and out.

It performs one essential function, it needs both a round shape and has to be made of thin sheet steel. You can only have one if you need to place it on a flat induction stove: either it’s thin and flat on the inside, or it’s round on the inside but thick.

Re:The case for induction cooking by noveltyaccount on Saturday March 12, 2022 @08:04PM (#30656810)
Instead of arguing, why don't you educate? You're clearly passionate about this issue. We've covered the importance of thin carbon steel. Why is the round bottom so essential that without it we can't call it a wok?
Re:The case for induction cooking by chii on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:02AM (#30658133)
> Why is the round bottom so essential that without it we can't call it a wok?

you need the round bottom to be able to scoop up the food and churn it. Try using a spatula on a flat bottom "wok" and flip the food to churn it - it doesn't work very well.

There's also an edge between the flat bottom and the round sides. This causes food to get "stuck" there under high heat - leading to burning. A wok is round all the way, so the spatula scrapes everywhere evenly, and you leave no burnt bits.

A flat bottom "wok" is just a pan with high edges.

Re:The case for induction cooking by nojonestownpls on Saturday March 12, 2022 @10:00PM (#30657465)
From another part of the thread:

> Easy tossing for stir fry is just one feature of a wok. For example, the round bottom causes liquids to pool in the center.

Re:The case for induction cooking by shaklee3 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:02AM (#30658136)
kenji just released his new book (700 pages) on woks. while OP is correct about the heat deltas, it makes no difference in practice if you have the right technique. if you want to dispute that, you're going to be disputing someone who wrote a book about this over 4 years and made thousands of recipes.
Re:The case for induction cooking by gariti on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:59AM (#30658397)
Woks can have flat bottoms with a round surface for cooking
Re:The case for induction cooking by Tabular-Iceberg on Sunday March 13, 2022 @04:01AM (#30659021)
That idiom isn’t really applicable to online discussion forums, at least not unless the user in question has actually been shadowbanned.

The idiom comes for fighting battles with absolutely devastating casualties to capture positions of very low strategic importance. Establishing consensus that woks may only have round bottoms may fulfil the last part, but having people write a few counter-arguments is by no means a devastating loss, it’s just the discussion forum serving its intended purpose.

Re:The case for induction cooking by kleton on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:17PM (#30655988)
锅 is the generic word for cookpot in Chinese, coming in all sizes and configurations.
Re:The case for induction cooking by elil17 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:51PM (#30656302)
锅 does not mean wok (it’s pronounced guo).

鑊 (pronounced wok in Cantonese) or 炒锅 or 炒勺 means wok.

Re:The case for induction cooking by eyeball on Saturday March 12, 2022 @04:34PM (#30655098)
wok cooking is the main place I find induction lacking

sides stay far too cool.

luckily I don't do it that often so just bought one of those butane table top burners for those cases.

Re:The case for induction cooking by radicalbyte on Saturday March 12, 2022 @04:42PM (#30655158)
In our previous house we cooked with gas, we had a fantastic stove with a wok burner. Amazing thing. With our new house we - against my best judgement - went for induction.

It's amazing, way better than our old gas stove. I'll never go back.

Re:The case for induction cooking by eyeball on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:26PM (#30655553)
you find a flat induction stove better than a gas one with wok ring for wok cooking?
Re:The case for induction cooking by radicalbyte on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:58PM (#30655828)
Yup - induction heats up quicker, although you have to use a heavy iron wok which sits still. It probably says more about how bad the consumer wok rings are though. If you have a commercial one you'd never switch from gas.
Re:The case for induction cooking by chii on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:04AM (#30658149)
> although you have to use a heavy iron wok which sits still.

but you need a flat bottom for such a "wok" to sit - otherwise a round bottom wok isn't close enough to heat up evenly.

Re:The case for induction cooking by trmsw on Sunday March 13, 2022 @04:51AM (#30659339)
I found those burners too weak for stir-frying. I suspect that unless you have special ventilation, a burner that's hot enough for wok cooking will not be safe for indoor use. Ours is used outside because that's where the gas bottle has to be kept and because apparently it generates too much carbon monoxide to be safely used inside. And because we have three small children and this thing burns with a foot-high flame like a jet afterburner. It's great fun
Re:The case for induction cooking by goodpoint on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:47AM (#30660065)
Induction is excellent for wok.

Blame your induction heater or induction wok.

Re:The case for induction cooking by eyeball on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @08:02AM (#30684278)
I suppose if you have one of those round made-for-wok induction hobs. the flat ones just don't heat the sides of a wok and you can't even use a round bottom work. far from "excellent".
Re:The case for induction cooking by bch on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:16PM (#30655474)
Do you wrangle the wok on the surface (or a frying pan) for a sauté[0]? What I'm really trying to find out is: how durable is the work surface? Does it deal well with pans being slid over it, and on/off it?

[0] https://youtu.be/CTyV3JExDT8

Re:The case for induction cooking by angry_octet on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:55PM (#30655807)
Yes, never had a scratch.
Re:The case for induction cooking by noveltyaccount on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:16PM (#30655976)
I have microscratches on the ceramic surface but nothing horrible. The instructions said explicitly to lift pots and not drag them. I don't baby it and it's fine.
Re:The case for induction cooking by BaseballPhysics on Saturday March 12, 2022 @10:02PM (#30657481)
And if you're worried about it just buy a silicone cooktop mat to put between the ceramic and the pan, something you can't do on any other cooking surface.
Re:The case for induction cooking by namibj on Sunday March 13, 2022 @01:30AM (#30658525)
When frying potato pancakes, we went outside, took a countertop induction plate, and covered the area in old newspapers. I.e., cover the plate/table in newspapers, put the pan on top.

I can only recommend such tactics for messy cooking; it's indeed the real "killer" feature of induction that even gas can't match.

Re:The case for induction cooking by clumsysmurf on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:48PM (#30655734)
Can you share which flat bottom wok you got? I'm mostly going to use one to prepare frozen broccoli in olive oil when I can't get fresh broccoli.
Re:The case for induction cooking by noveltyaccount on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:18PM (#30655995)
It was on sale at my local grocery store, no idea the name. It is lightweight carbon steel, means it gets hot in a flash and is easy to move around with one hand. I probably paid thirty bucks for it, nothing special.

Edit: pretty sure this is the wok, definitely the correct brand. https://kenhomwoks.com/store/products/ken-hom-excellence-car...

Re:The case for induction cooking by henrikschroder on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:05PM (#30656420)
It's important to understand that on a gas range or regular electric range, the knob controls power, i.e. the amount of heat you're putting into your cookware per second. And if those two are your only options, then the gas range is much better than an electric range, because you can change the amount of power very quickly, there's no lag.

But with an induction range, or a ceramic glass range, the knob controls temperature, i.e. there's a thermostat somewhere that regulates the power. And this gives you a lot more control, especially at lower temperatures. But it's not unique to induction ranges, any ceramic glass range can do the same, although they have more "lag" than an induction range.

Re:The case for induction cooking by mattmaroon on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:20AM (#30658240)
Is that true of ceramic glass ranges? I had one once and I’m fairly sure whoever made that thing couldn’t even spell thermostat let alone add one. Pretty sure the knob was just a potentiometer.
Re:The case for induction cooking by namibj on Sunday March 13, 2022 @01:32AM (#30658539)
There are electric stoves (contact heating; cast iron plates (european style)) with a thermostat in the center, and my induction plate only has a power dial. Yeah, gas doesn't have a thermostat usually, but the other types are usually not incompatible and as such there exist both variants.
Re:The case for induction cooking by mattmaroon on Sunday March 13, 2022 @05:23PM (#30665871)
Right I’m not debating that they exist but I think most of the flat ceramic tops we have here modulate power rather than temp. That is one great thing about induction. You can reduce a sauce without risking a runaway boil if you don’t monitor it closely at the right time.
Re:The case for induction cooking by morsch on Sunday March 13, 2022 @01:58AM (#30658680)
The knobs on my induction range control power, they go from 1 through 9 to B. Maybe US ranges are different. I was wondering why they're double the price.
Re:The case for induction cooking by sime2009 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @04:43AM (#30659276)
Maybe some induction stoves use a thermostat, but my 15 year old one is definitely power.
Re:The case for induction cooking by m3kw9 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:15PM (#30656496)
Main problem with induction or electric is that once you lift your pan to say toss food, the pan stars to cool. With gas you can still have some fire contact to keep the pan hot. Also you can control which part of the pan is hot if you tilt it at an angle. These are something you won’t miss till it’s gone
Re:The case for induction cooking by timc3 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @01:57AM (#30658676)
I don’t miss that at all
Re:The case for induction cooking by vetinari on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:01PM (#30655346)
> but it falls apart for lower temps, and it's very hard to get it consistent.

There are gas hobs that make it easy; I like my cooktop with FlameSelect exactly for this, it has 9 discrete positions and exact flame size for each position.

Re:The case for induction cooking by npsimons on Saturday March 12, 2022 @08:01PM (#30656793)
> you can't really use woks on induction.

I found a flat-bottomed induction compatible wok on Amazon when I got my induction cook top. I'm not a master stir fry cook, but it woks for me!

Re:The case for induction cooking by mattmaroon on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:21AM (#30658249)
If a flat bottom wok works for you you’re not doing wok cooking right. But if you like the results then it’s just a funny shaped pan and nothing wrong with that.