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Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by eloff on Friday April 23, 2021 @01:03PM (#26916765)
What blows me away is in a study group of 734 infants, which benefited from maternal antibodies against malaria, 717 were infected by malaria in the first year of their life. That's nearly 100%, in the first year since birth. That's devastating.

The vaccine is showing 77% efficacy in trials in Burkina Faso.

That's an ongoing pandemic that makes covid-19 look like a case of the sniffles. Malaria deaths peaked around 930,000 a year in 2004, and is around 600,000 a year now. I believe covid-19 death toll stands around 3 million deaths, most above the age of 70. Malaria is over 100 million, most under the age of 5.

Source: https://ourworldindata.org/malaria

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Exmoor on Friday April 23, 2021 @01:35PM (#26917120)
> Malaria deaths peaked around 930,000 a year in 2004, and is around 600,000 a year now

Your link does a good job showing this, but for those who don't click and scroll down it's probably worth mentioning that the vast majority of those deaths are in central Africa. So it's not just a lot of deaths, but it's a really significant portion of the population and, as you said, mostly children.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by ChrisMarshallNY on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:47PM (#26918449)
I grew up in Africa. We weren't as scared of Ebola, as we were, of good old Malaria.

It's also the gift that keeps on giving. Once you get it, it does a reunion tour, every now and then, for the rest of your life.

At the dinner table, we (expats) used to have a bowl of quinine tablets, set out like a condiment.

I really hope this works out, because, thanks to climate change, the lower 48 may get a chance to find something in common with our neighbors to the south.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by ny2ko on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:09PM (#26920325)
Agreed with the other responses. The main reason there are lots of malaria deaths is often due to the lack of access to medication but for folks that do, it is similar to the flu stateside.

I was born and raised in Uganda and I'm shocked by this. Ebola was 100x more scary than malaria growing. At least way back before this recent vaccine. Get Ebola you are basically screwed, get malaria have a pill

To be fair on your part, as an 'expat' (I have a lot of qualms with this word, see https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals... as a starter), its harder as your immune system didn't grow up with it and so when you get it, its much worse. Quinine in my head is a hard core malaria drug for the tough cases (well atleast in was 10-20 years back). But for folks born and raised it really was like the flu. When I go back these days though, I'm in the same boat and actually start a dosage of anti malarials a week before I arrive

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Perceval on Saturday April 24, 2021 @09:08AM (#26924590)
Quinine is better as a prophylaxis rather than a treatment - i.e. for preventative or early-stage use, not once it's developed into a bad case. Low doses early (like in the tonic water of the late 1800s) could help prevent one from catching malaria while avoiding the nasty side effects of larger quinine doses needed for treating an advanced case.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by ny2ko on Saturday April 24, 2021 @03:49PM (#26927767)
Ah I see. I was only familiar with the latter advanced case usage
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Tostino on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:10PM (#26921623)
That's interesting and I hadn't thought about the difference in terms and how they were used before, thanks for the article to chew on.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by janto on Saturday April 24, 2021 @03:47AM (#26923093)
Expat typically means emigrant, not immigrant.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by jquery on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:26PM (#26921712)
Japanese working abroad are expats wherever they are.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by dmt0 on Saturday April 24, 2021 @12:50AM (#26922330)
And Russians are immigrants. It doesn't go by race, it's Haves vs Have Nots - the only two classes that really exist.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by ny2ko on Saturday April 24, 2021 @01:01PM (#26926411)
It's definitely more nuanced for sure. Factors that can play into it can include but aren't limited to race, social standing and class, country that you are living into etc. I agree there's a have vs have nots at play at times but I don't think you can discount race at play either.

As an example, I always found it interesting that when I moved to the US, I found the words use suddenly disappears despite there being lots of people that could fit that mold. Has anyone experienced otherwise? I'd be curious to know

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by spacemanmatt on Saturday April 24, 2021 @08:16AM (#26924351)
> it's Haves vs Have Nots - the only two classes

Then what do you call it when the Haves trend light in skin tone and the Have Nots trend dark in skin tone?

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by dmt0 on Saturday April 24, 2021 @12:01PM (#26925906)
I call it "fighting over bread crumbs when 0.01% take away the whole cake".
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by lxxxvi on Saturday April 24, 2021 @09:04AM (#26924571)
3/4 of Europe are have-nots in the expat:immigrant debate...
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by spacemanmatt on Saturday April 24, 2021 @10:54AM (#26925281)
I might be confused. Is your argument that 3/4 of Europe being Have Nots negates racial inequity?
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by ff-- on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:59PM (#26919690)
Malaria used to be common in the US until the 1950s or so. It was eradicated through extensive mosquito control and engineering efforts. Rich countries can cope; it's the developing world that's thoroughly boned, at least until industrial capabilities catch up.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by BurningFrog on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:42PM (#26920094)
I can't help being annoyed by how the West first exterminated malaria at home, and then, once they were safe, started worrying about the ecological consequences of doing the same in Africa.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by IdiocyInAction on Friday April 23, 2021 @08:28PM (#26920905)
I think it's a bit more complicated than that looking at the wiki article. It seems to have been very successful to begin with, but then the mosquitos became resistant to DDT and western countries have a climate advantage. Notably, they did try it in poorer countries too.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by loonster on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:20PM (#26921677)
And a ton of kerosene. Spray it on all bodies of water and the larva can't breathe.

Malaria is why the first attempt at the Panama canal failed. Kerosene is partly why it became successful.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by DennisP on Saturday April 24, 2021 @07:35AM (#26924153)
DDT was also used incorrectly. It was supposed to be sprayed on walls, so it was made to be persistent. Naturally farmers crop-dusted it on their fields, and that made it an environmental problem.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by goseeastarwar on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:39PM (#26920565)
During cabin decompression, you put your oxygen mask on first, then help others.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by gammarator on Friday April 23, 2021 @08:00PM (#26920709)
I think the right analogy for the GP post is putting your oxygen mask on and then telling your seatmate they shouldn’t be flying due to climate change.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by NicoJuicy on Saturday April 24, 2021 @07:52AM (#26924241)
If all kids in your neighborhood get sick, including yours.

Do you first try to heal your kid or everyone at the same time?

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Zenst on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:29PM (#26919965)
> Malaria used to be common in the US until the 1950s or so.

I had no idea of that, as I suspect many given the time past if you wasn't around then. Did a little digging and nicely covered here: https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/about/history/index.html

Which makes me wonder - what the cost of malaria drugs are and how much would it cost to eradicate it. Equally have the true environmental and ecological aspects of eradication methods been analysed. I wasn't aware that mosquito's were pollinators until a while back, not that anything usurps Bee's, but many insects are pollinators and in some area's they may even be crucial as a species.

After all the 1950's approach was basic killing of the mosquito's and whilst that may of been a solution for one area like the US, I'm not sure that approach would be taken as much today and for Africa, certainly as I mentioned, the whole pollinator aspect of mosquito's may make for a more fragile ecosystem that removal of a species would be more impaction than the gains.

I always found it fascinating that malaria has been around so long that a genetic mutation evolved in some that makes them immune to it.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by garyfirestorm on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:54PM (#26920679)
Afaik mosquitoes don’t really contribute ecologically. They are just nuisance.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by WalterBright on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:37PM (#26921762)
I recall a town in Texas decided to wipe out the local bat population due to fear of rabies. The next year they had a major scourge of mosquitoes. Turns out bats mostly eat mosquitoes. They let the bats resettle the area.

Bats eat tons of mosquitoes. Some outfits encourage and help people set up bat friendly enclosures to deal with local mosquito problems.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by yyyk on Saturday April 24, 2021 @10:48AM (#26925233)
There's IIRC a single-digit number of mosquito species carrying malaria and a slightly higher number of mosquito species targeting humans - as compared to hundreds of species of mosquito. Kill the carriers off and they just get replaced by some other specie of mosquito.

Lets face it, if the same Malaria mortality rate happened in the West, we wouldn't (and historically didn't) wait for vaccines - we'd pave over an entire ecosystem if we had to. We'd do the same even if we had the same death rate as the group that got vaccinated.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by anonuser123456 on Saturday April 24, 2021 @12:45AM (#26922307)
Well bats certainly haven’t caused us any major global health problems recently...
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by himinlomax on Saturday April 24, 2021 @03:15AM (#26922936)
While the bat origin of Covid 19 is plausible, it hasn't been conclusively demonstrated. The gain of function lab leak is just as plausible, and equally unproven -- due to the Chinese dictatorship's suspicious lack of transparency and cooperation.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by eloff on Saturday April 24, 2021 @10:39AM (#26925149)
Lab escape is still bat origin, just potentially with a human assist (or human mistake with an unaltered virus.)
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by girvo on Saturday April 24, 2021 @02:21AM (#26922691)
Sure, and they’re a large viral reservoir, but I’d hope we don’t think that’s a good reason to eradicate them. They don’t typically come into our homes the way mosquitos do; we go to theirs.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by xvilka on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:08PM (#26921609)
They are the food for birds. Not sure how big that chunk is. Also mosquito's larvae is a water predator, might be an important ecological niche in water reservoirs.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by galangalalgol on Friday April 23, 2021 @08:48PM (#26921064)
Malaria has killed so many people I don't really care if wiping them out starts a trophic cascade, it would probably still kill fewer people than malaria. If we had to give up condors and bees, I'd still think it a fair trade.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by georgeam on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:07PM (#26921604)
With the bees will go lots of foods that depend on them for pollination. Bees are very essential for agriculture.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by galangalalgol on Saturday April 24, 2021 @10:50AM (#26925255)
Actually very few of our foods, and none of our staple crops rely significantly on insects for pollination. Grapes for instance, can use insects but don't have significant problems in their absence.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by bijant on Saturday April 24, 2021 @03:35PM (#26927666)
Bees are just another legacy producer ripe for disruption. With recent Progress in AI and Drone technology the question isn’t if Bees get replaced by autonomous Nanobots but when.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by galangalalgol on Saturday April 24, 2021 @05:27PM (#26928375)
I remember when I was a kid the EMP trucks went around to keep the nano swarms down, but most of us got bot-lung anyway.

Even rogue nanoswarms are less worrisome than mosquitos as a vector.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Quarrel on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:43PM (#26920111)
It used to be common in southern Europe as well and was an absolute scourge in SEA until the 20th century.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Biologist123 on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:38PM (#26920557)
Not just Southern Europe. Oliver Cromwell (English ruler in 1600s) died of malaria.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by havernator on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:08PM (#26921611)
Malaria in North America and England is covered pretty well in Mann’s 1493. There are a couple kinds of malaria, one more resistant to cold than the other.

No doubt the indigenous Americans had it bad, to put it mildly, but reading the accounts of early colonization efforts in that book, I mean, damn. Wave after wave of colonists, each losing 50+% in the first year (and it’s not like the survivors stopped dying then). For years on end, across multiple colonies. Mostly to disease.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Quarrel on Friday April 23, 2021 @08:57PM (#26921126)
That's awesome trivia!
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by jogjayr on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:45PM (#26920123)
> Once you get it, it does a reunion tour, every now and then, for the rest of your life.

Maybe only certain strains of malaria do that? I had malaria many years ago. It was a very unpleasant experience, but I recovered in a couple of weeks with no lingering effects.

Growing up in India, malaria was common. But I don't recall anyone living in terror of it. Mosquito nets, mosquito repellent incense, repellent cream, turning the ceiling fan on to full speed were common countermeasures we employed at bedtime.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by jimkleiber on Saturday April 24, 2021 @12:12AM (#26922196)
From my understanding, the vivax variety can bury into the liver and come back out in the future, whereas the falciparum type, which seems to have faster and deadlier results if untreated, once it is treated, is no longer in the body.

Or at least I hope so. I lived in Tanzania for a few years and I got malaria (I think falciparum) a few times. The first time it was the worst headache I've ever experienced. By the third or fourth time, I barely noticed that I had it and yet it was at maybe 5x or more the concentration it was when I first contracted it.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by qart on Saturday April 24, 2021 @04:10AM (#26923196)
I have had both falciparum and vivax (different years), confirmed by lab tests. The treatment was exactly the same in both cases. While one of them was quite debilitating, the other felt like an ordinary flu. I forgot which is which. In both cases, I was prescribed a month's worth of medication to get rid of the plasmodium from the liver.

I don't live in a malaria-prone locality anymore, but when I did, the people did not consider it a deadly disease. I think access to medical facilities and good nutrition are the key factors why some populations consider it a deadly disease, and other populations don't.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by macksd on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:02PM (#26921581)
That's my experience as well - I had it 17 years ago, was very ill for weeks, but recovered and haven't had any problems since (but am no longer exposed to risk of new infections). However, it used to be that in the US you could donate blood if you had seen a doctor and been symptom-free for 3 years. It's now a lifetime ban. So perhaps there's new evidence it's not so simple?

Edit: Or there just aren't many donors who have had malaria, so they err on the side of safety.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by elihu on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:39PM (#26921780)
That's my understanding as well; there are multiple malaria (plasmodium) species, and their effects vary. Some are a one-time infection, and some come back periodically.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by ChrisMarshallNY on Friday April 23, 2021 @08:38PM (#26920982)
I never got it, so I don't know.

The way it was explained to me, is that it's a parasitic disease, and the parasites would embed eggs in tissues, with the possibility of the eggs (or whatever they are -spores?) being re-released in the future.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by adonese on Friday April 23, 2021 @09:06PM (#26921207)
I grow up in Africa too, Sudan to be specific. During my early childhood years, I contracted malaria more than 5 times. It was really a very regular disease -- that an typhoid. It was only during college have I learned how devastating and seriously dangerous those diseases are: just to put things in perspective, a doctor once told my friend, after he checked his lab results (and be mused of it), they either have malaria or typhoid.

I'm interested to read more about the possibilities that in africa we contracted so many diseases that explains the rather shocking covid mortality rate. It could be because of mean age too.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by nanijoe on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:15PM (#26919290)
I dont know what part of Africa you grew up in, but growing up in Nigeria, no one was scared of Malaria.

It is treated pretty much the same way Americans treat getting the Flu

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by ChrisMarshallNY on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:18PM (#26919320)
I was born in Nigeria. I barely remember it, but what I can remember, is being constantly told how bad it was. It's entirely possible that my parents had an unreasoning fear of it. When we are kids, they are our source of Truth.

I also remember my sister getting caught in one of those 'squito swarms, near the Delta. That was freaking awful.

Uganda was a bit worse; but we also had other things to be scared of.

I should also mention that Ebola wasn't actually around (that we knew of), when I was a kid, but we hasd some fun diseases. The parasitic ones (like Elephantitis and Belhartzia) were pretty difficult to look at.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by nanijoe on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:23PM (#26919900)
Well then, nice to meet a fellow Nigerian :) Ebola is a recent thing AFAIK, so it would make sense that no one was freaking out about it when you were a kid.

To be fair, it does sound like you were in rural Nigeria, so my Malaria experience is likely different from yours

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by ChrisMarshallNY on Friday April 23, 2021 @08:16PM (#26920821)
Someone pointed out that us Europeans were probably a lot more sensitive to this than others, who had been around it, all their lives. Also, my mother was the prime vector for my information, and she might have been a bit freaked out by all the fun ways Africa has to kill people.

But I'm still here. I seem to have survived.

My African friends would run around barefoot over the most God-awful crap, and were some of the healthiest people I've ever known.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by cm2012 on Friday April 23, 2021 @08:21PM (#26920864)
200000 kids under 5 don't die of the flu every year.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Fomite on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:40PM (#26919540)
Malaria is a massive drain on the lives, well being and economies of central Africa. An effective malaria vaccine would be huge.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by sharken on Saturday April 24, 2021 @07:24PM (#26929071)
And from the perspective of most africans a lot more relevant than the Corona vaccine.

I wish the rest of the world would realize that Africa first and foremost benefits from this new Malaria vaccine.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by eloff on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:12PM (#26917498)
I think it's common knowledge that malaria primarily affects Africa, but you're right that it's particularly devastating to a couple dozen mostly very poor countries.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by DoreenMichele on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:35PM (#26918920)
The fact that malaria is so common in those areas is almost certainly a significant contributing factor to the intractable poverty in those areas.

It's hard to be productive when you are sick all the time and/or caring for someone sick.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by black_puppydog on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:03PM (#26918000)
I think the point was mostly that comparing the case/fatality numbers of covid19 - a truly global pandemic - with those of malaria has to factor in the size of the population being exposed.

Sure, Malaria is unlikely to spread like covid or it would have done so a long time ago, but the absolute numbers don't tell the whole story about how bad each disease is.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by eloff on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:14PM (#26918108)
Actually malaria used to be in much larger areas of the world, including the United States. But the population was much smaller at that time.

It's a good point about absolute numbers versus population relative numbers.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by baybal2 on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:32PM (#26918876)
Siberia used to be a giant malaria hotspot, and then it was suddenly gone at the onset of 20th century, and first semblances of effective treatment.

Some say climate change killed it, some say the extinction of a mosquito species carrying it, some better nutrition, some say quinine.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by mr_overalls on Friday April 23, 2021 @01:59PM (#26917369)
That's just an astounding incidence rate. That kind of selective pressure makes the reason for the sickle cell mutation in hemoglobin more obvious.

https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/about/biology/index.html

> Inheritance of this mutated gene from both parents leads to sickle cell disease and people with this disease have shorter life expectancy. On the contrary, individuals who are carriers for the sickle cell disease (with one sickle gene and one normal hemoglobin gene, also known as sickle cell trait) have some protective advantage against malaria. As a result, the frequencies of sickle cell carriers are high in malaria-endemic areas.

> . . .It was found that that the sickle cell trait provides 60% protection against overall mortality.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Quarrel on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:48PM (#26920148)
Very strong selective pressure.

Sickle cell has separately arisen in at least four populations in Africa and some in South East Asia.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by vanderZwan on Friday April 23, 2021 @01:31PM (#26917079)
Although I am Dutch, I was born in Ghana. My parents worked in a local hospital as doctors. If you can expect anyone to be extremely cautious and in the position to be able to act on it, it would be them. Still got malaria before I turned one.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by stephenhuey on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:34PM (#26917685)
I lived in Nigeria from the ages of 9-18 and while we did not use mosquito nets, I’d generally assume that even people who use mosquito nets would be likely to get bitten by a carrier mosquito at some other time of day. Hearing of people getting malaria felt like a very commonplace occurrence, and I had it several times.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by todd8 on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:32PM (#26918873)
Although some posts suggest that the USA may experience malaria at some point in the future because of global warming; in actuality, the USA has already experienced malaria.

In 1882, the range of malaria in the USA extended from the Canadian border on the north to southern border with Mexico on the south. The only states of the current 48 contiguous states unaffected were Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Idaho, Main, Vermont, and New Hampshire. Something like 41 states had malaria cases (the maps are a bit hard to read).

Approximately 375 cases acquired in the USA per 100,0000 population were reported in 1920.

Eradication efforts continued until the 1950s when the USA essentially became free of malaria. See [1].

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/about/history/elimination_us.htm...

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by wincy on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:05PM (#26920287)
The eradication efforts in the US included lots and lots of DDT.

The Little House on the Prairie family caught malaria, and was so sick they almost died of dehydration because they couldn’t get down to the river to drink.

https://littlehouseontheprairie.com/dr-george-a-tann-pioneer...

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by hackerbabz on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:01PM (#26919703)
This is something that has confused me for a long time. America definitely has mosquitoes (I’m from Washington, DC). How are there mosquitoes but no malaria?
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by pjscott on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:26PM (#26919936)
It's bizarrely hard to find good explanations of this! The National Malaria Eradication Program, between 1947 and 1951, cut down on malaria transmission enough that the parasite was driven locally extinct. They drained wetlands where mosquitoes bred, sprayed house interiors and mosquito-heavy areas with DDT on a very large scale, and generally engineered a very specific ecological disaster, depriving the parasite of the human hosts needed for part of their reproductive lifecycle. Without enough infected humans, the parasites died out.

Crucially, they didn't need to get rid of all the mosquitoes to do this: they just needed to drive mosquito-to-human transmission low enough for long enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Malaria_Eradication_P...

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by londons_explore on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:41PM (#26920080)
If this were the complete story then just a single person coming back to the USA infected would lead to mass infection...

Clearly that hasn't happened.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Brybry on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:47PM (#26920624)
We do still have mosquito abatement programs too.

I know here in Louisiana the local abatement program has trucks that spray synthetic pyrethroid chemicals (resmethrin, sumithrin and prallethrin) at night and uses an organophosphate (naled) from planes.

And residents are routinely urged to be aware of and eliminate standing water on their property.

We just don't use DDT anymore -- we almost wiped out our state bird with it.

Edit: I have to wonder how much housing changes also mattered. With modern air conditioning and well sealed homes it's fairly rare to have mosquitoes in the home at night.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Clewza313 on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:21PM (#26920422)
Malaria does not spread from human to human, you need infected mosquitos in the mix. So you would need to get a breeding population of infected mosquitos biting humans for it to start spreading.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by juskrey on Saturday April 24, 2021 @01:53AM (#26922590)
The answer is malaria eradication efforts never stopped neither in US nor in Europe. It's just as routine as renewing asphalt roads or maintaining sewers
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by im3w1l on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:38PM (#26920554)
Only explanation I can think of is that the malaria from elsewhere is different somehow, worse adapted to US conditions.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by cbkeller on Saturday April 24, 2021 @12:14AM (#26922205)
The Anopheles mosquitos [1] which spread human malaria are present at some level across about half of the US, but are just not especially abundant here compared to other mosquitos that do not spread malaria.

In fact, of the ~200 mosquito species which occur in the United States, only 12 are known spread any sort of human disease [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anopheles

[2] https://www.cdc.gov/mosquitoes/about/mosquitoes-in-the-us.ht...

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by nicoburns on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:22PM (#26919890)
It's only a few (4?) species of mosquito that carry malaria, out of hundreds of species in total.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Fomite on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:40PM (#26919543)
There's a reason the CDC is in Atlanta.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by wil421 on Friday April 23, 2021 @08:35PM (#26920959)
Yea but I’m an Atlanta native and never hear of malaria. Plenty of mosquitos around here.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Fomite on Friday April 23, 2021 @09:47PM (#26921500)
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by cmckn on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:21PM (#26919337)
I grew up in Alabama, and remember a few times a summer seeing the "mosquito truck" drive by, spraying pesticide as I played in the yard. I guess it works!
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by tasty_freeze on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:12PM (#26919806)
We had those growing up in suburban Chicago too -- in my case in the 70s. The trucks would only appear at dusk. We dumb kids thought the fog was a hoot so we would jump on our bikes and chase behind the truck hooting at the novelty, breathing in who knows what chemicals. I can still remember the smell.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by whyenot on Saturday April 24, 2021 @01:45AM (#26922553)
It was probably malathion, which is an organophosphate pesticide that is considered low toxicity, although it may be a carcinogen.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by nicoburns on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:25PM (#26919912)
> breathing in who knows what chemicals

Probably DDT. Not thwebest of ideas!

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by whyenot on Saturday April 24, 2021 @01:48AM (#26922568)
In the 1970s? No, almost all use of DDT in the US ended in 1972.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by mNovak on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:15PM (#26920366)
I seem to recall this in the Midwest as recently as the 90s
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by nerdponx on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:38PM (#26921774)
My dad told me similar stories from midcentury New York.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Tostino on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:33PM (#26921742)
In FL, we still have the mosquito truck end up coming by at least every other week.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by brianwawok on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:41PM (#26919556)
I don't think we do it for malaria these days, just to reduce mosquito stings? Thinking about like mosquito sprays in Chicago...
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by notacoward on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:47PM (#26919614)
AFAIK it's more about West Nile and EEE, maybe Zika and even others.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by warrenm on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @03:45PM (#27054725)
Though, incidentally, if you reduce/eliminate mosquitos carrying West Nile, Zika, etc ... you also reduce/eliminate the ones carrying Malaria :)
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Iv on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:04PM (#26920281)
Covid-19 is a baby bike with training wheels. And we fail disastrously at that. It is far from the worse scenario epidemiologists train for, but it could easily become one: a variant with high lethality can always appear suddenly.

And yes, malaria is not discussed enough. I remember Bill Gates releasing mosquitos in a room before a speech to get the public attention "these could carry a deadly disease we have no cure for"

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by koheripbal on Friday April 23, 2021 @08:35PM (#26920960)
You know, that's complicated...

A more deadly virus, as we saw with SARS, was that it was actually easier to control because the high death rate made it very easy to contact trace and identify infected.

In many ways covid19 is a challenge exactly because it doesnt kill too many people.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by gizmo686 on Friday April 23, 2021 @09:36PM (#26921419)
Unfourtuantly, this correlation is not always the case.

HIV is extremely deadly without treatment, but has an asymptomatic stage that can last over a decade despite still being infectious during that time.

The silver lining with HIV is that its modality of transmission is primarily sex and blood, which greatly limits the number of contacts an infected individual will have.

An airborne disease with the lethality, incubation length of infectivity, and vaccine resistance of HIV would be a slow moving disaster of an unimaginable magnitude.

I am not aware of any theoretical reason such a disease cannot exist.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by jhayward on Saturday April 24, 2021 @11:29AM (#26925577)
It wasn't the death rate of SARS that made it easy to control, it was the lack of an infectious period pre-symptoms.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by xbar on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:43PM (#26917776)
In addition to the real and massive reduction in human suffering a 77% efficacy vaccine could bring, the opportunity for renewed investment and growth for the economic development of Central Africa cannot be overstated.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by 0-_-0 on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:37PM (#26919506)
"... somewhere in the region of 150 million to 300 million people have died from the effects of malaria during the past 100 years. If it is taken that around 6,000 million people have died during this period, malaria may be reckoned to have been a factor in between 2 and 5% of all deaths across the planet in the 20th century." [0]

[0]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC126857/

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by jjeaff on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:47PM (#26917816)
Except for the age difference of the victims, those numbers actually make covid seem pretty bad. Covid has hardly been around for a year and is killing 7x as many people a year.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by mchusma on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:51PM (#26919059)
Also, while covid is not done yet, it's probably going to kill in total much less than 100M.

COVID is bad, but in some ways we got lucky because there could have been way worse pandemics that acted more like smallpox or measles.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by himinlomax on Saturday April 24, 2021 @03:22AM (#26922982)
Covid is an acute infection, you get infected, you beat the infection or you die. Some may have life-long side effects from the disease, but they are free from the disease itself.

Malaria, like HIV or Herpes, is a chronic disease. Once you're infected, you're affected by it until you die. The debilitating effects of malaria also have disastrous economic impacts.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by vtail on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:36PM (#26918335)
Malaria affects far smaller population size.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by jjk166 on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:20PM (#26919331)
Those are the numbers for a single country. Malaria kills 1-3 million people per year globally.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by lswainemoore on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:42PM (#26919560)
Unless I'm misreading the link, those numbers (~600k/yr) are global. Still, staggeringly high, and concentrated in a region.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by warrenm on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @03:50PM (#27054796)
Yes, the number is "global" - but the actual part of the "globe" that's affected is remarkably small ..making its rate far worse than it otherwise appears
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Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by estaseuropano on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:09PM (#26920318)
The thing is that the death rates would be manifold higher if not for those measures. In the global study on the effects of covid we are all in the treatment condition.

That said, I agree that many of those resources would be better spent on eradicating hunger and slavery, as well as the poverty diseases.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by argvargc on Saturday April 24, 2021 @04:08AM (#26923191)
Haven't seen convincing evidence the death rates would be higher without the measures employed, much the opposite (35 studies so far): https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-co...

It is heartening to see many here agreeing we could do better.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by jjeaff on Monday April 26, 2021 @09:01PM (#26950437)
Do the studies offer explanations as to why red states have higher infection rates than blue states despite being less densly populated?

With just a few examples in blue states where the virus took hold early on in dense urban areas in blue states, i can't think of any explanation except that red states were much less vigilant with lockdowns.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by argvargc on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @05:29AM (#26953769)
Testing is a bit of a mess. There aren't any standards and it's highly subjective and interpretative. Some facilities/tests don't even report the CT of the PCR, rendering the result essentially meaningless (which in many cases then also affects death figures, along with the "died with / died of" debacle).

Cherry-picking of course makes this worse - introducing arbitrary and potentially contaminating boundaries such as governmental policy (red vs blue). Did red states generally employ higher CT's? Do we even have that data? No, sometimes its discretionary or not even recorded. We do know Trump was heavily encouraging more testing, as this painted a better (and, to his credit, ever more accurate) picture of mortality rate, so even just that may plausibly explain such a result.

Conversely, at least regarding all of the testing data as mixed establishes a better starting point for analysis less subject to such foibles.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by oblio on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:01PM (#26919709)
Why is it racism, though?
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by wizzwizz4 on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:35PM (#26920026)
It isn't inherently racism (though there is racism involved). It's more a NIMBY type effect, but in reverse, I think – “it doesn't affect me, so I don't have to think about it” type thing.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by oblio on Saturday April 24, 2021 @03:51AM (#26923111)
> a NIMBY type effect, but in reverse

We call that selfishness :-)

And we can't force people to help others, no matter how much we dislike the attitude.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by iso1631 on Saturday April 24, 2021 @07:04AM (#26923980)
> And we can't force people to help others, no matter how much we dislike the attitude.

We can, and we do all the time, via taxation. You're forced to pay taxes to fund the people who empty the bins in the park you never even go to.

It's a good thing.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by oblio on Saturday April 24, 2021 @03:02PM (#26927428)
Yeah, but taxation stops at the national border level.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by estaseuropano on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:11PM (#26920339)
Ignoring smaller numbers in eastern Europe and central Asia, the people dying from poverty and preventable diseases tend to be African, south east Asian or south American.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by oblio on Saturday April 24, 2021 @03:50AM (#26923103)
Yeah, but nobody's killing them on purpose (I hope!).

It's just that those regions are warm and humid, and this creates great living conditions for mosquitoes.

To make things worse, many countries in these regions are poor, so they can't afford treatment or prevention (pesticides to kill mosquitoes, draining swamps, etc.).

Rich countries in the same regions most likely don't have big problems with malaria (or if malaria is still a problem, it's probably a minor problem).

It's just "bad" geography (from this point of view) and poverty.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by iso1631 on Saturday April 24, 2021 @07:05AM (#26923989)
Florida is warm and humid

If you see someone drowning and refuse to throw them the life ring because you might damage your newly painted nails, you're not technically killing them on purpose, but you're still killing them through your inaction

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by oblio on Saturday April 24, 2021 @03:02PM (#26927435)
I applaud your globalist approach, but nobody's really applying it. When push comes to shove, we're barely able to stand in solidarity at a national level.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by scrollaway on Friday April 23, 2021 @08:02PM (#26920724)
It's called egocentrism.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by BiteCode_dev on Friday April 23, 2021 @01:50PM (#26917276)
And the worst thing is: malaria is easily curable, as malaron is not only preventive, but fully kill the plasmodium in the liver cells. Despite that, we don't provide the drug to them.

It would cost a fraction of what we spend on research for a vaccine, but no cigar.

Of course, there is the argument that we risk developing resistant bugs. But the truth is, if suddenly all mosquitoes were moved magically to the US, you would see the drug massively used for everybody without a second though.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by stephenhuey on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:43PM (#26917771)
Not sure why you were downvoted down much but here’s my 2 cents.

I first started taking anti-malarial medicine as a child. My entire life I’ve been hearing of resistance to one drug and then another drug, and then another. Also, whenever we took chloroquine or any other drugs on a regular basis, we were well aware that having the medicine in our body would not prevent malaria—-we took it just to help reduce the severity of malaria when we’d become infected. Looks like there are already strains resistant to your drug of choice:

https://malariajournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/14...

So preventing and even treating malaria has never been a sure thing with ANY drug that I’ve ever known.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by jfk13 on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:58PM (#26918544)
May be worth mentioning that the article documenting malarone-resistant malaria is virtually 20 years old already. As far as I'm aware, the problem of drug-resistant malaria hasn't been getting better...
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by estaseuropano on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:27PM (#26920470)
Thats a weird argument. "Lets not give the medicine that might help as that might also encourage mutations." --> basically you are saying let's deny it to the many dying today in order to ensure the few (that can afford it) can still use it in the future. A deeply immoral and selfish perspective if spelled out this way.

The only solution then is rapid and large-scale intervention. Massive use of the most effective/least side-effect variety of drug for all at risk populations for 3(?) months, then bring in the alternatives and quickly and widely ensure their use in those areas where resistant strains still spread.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by stephenhuey on Friday April 23, 2021 @09:05PM (#26921188)
I am not saying don’t treat people. The anti-malarial medicines we used growing up were very affordable, so access was not the problem. I’m saying the vaccine is more encouraging because the medicines have not been able to put much of a dent into the problem of malaria.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by soperj on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:15PM (#26917528)
>That's an ongoing pandemic that makes covid-19 look like a case of the sniffles

How? There are literally 3 times more deaths in the last year than peak Malaria, and that's only deaths that were actually counted.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by eloff on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:54PM (#26917896)
Yes, but over the course of history, there's no comparison. Which was my point.

Covid-19 is hopefully going to be short-lived thanks to the vaccines, but even if it weren't for that it would likely become more virulent but less deadly over time like the other Coronaviruses that are endemic in humans.

There is a also a big difference in lives lost at the end of life versus at the beginning.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by soperj on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:59PM (#26917953)
>Covid-19 is hopefully going to be short-lived thanks to the vaccines, but even if it weren't for that it would likely become more virulent but less deadly over time like the other Coronaviruses that are endemic in humans.

Over the last year it's be come more virulent and more deadly.

We have no idea how well the vaccines are going to work. We have a situation right now where a country(india) with 100 million people vaccinated is getting 350,000 cases a day, and it's doubling every 10 days. That's a scenario where the evolution around the protection a vaccine offers becomes a very real and distinct possibility.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by eloff on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:44PM (#26918407)
> Over the last year it's be come more virulent and more deadly.

Evolution is a somewhat random process at its heart, but I stand by what I said as the likely outcome, because that's the path new diseases normally take. It's early days yet.

> We have no idea how well the vaccines are going to work

I think we have a petty good idea by now actually. A bigger question is how much will it be hampered by people afraid or unwilling to be vaccinated? I have never in my life seen such widespread and illogical fear of vaccines.

We may have to just accept that there will be an ongoing toll in the unvaccinated population that keeps the virus circulating in quantity and keeps the hospitals busy. Until sufficiently many develop natural antibodies through infection.

> We have a situation right now where a country(india) with 100 million people vaccinated is getting 350,000 cases a day, and it's doubling every 10 days. That's a scenario where the evolution around the protection a vaccine offers becomes a very real and distinct possibility.

Yes, that's a tail risk that's real and terrifying. I think the risk is small given such a mutation would possibly render the virus much less virulent. The vaccines tend to target the spike protein, without which it can't even infect humans. But nature finds a way. We can and will also adapt the vaccines in that case though. The money, motivation, and technical expertise are all there. But nobody knows how likely a risk that is.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by soperj on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:40PM (#26918970)
>Evolution is a somewhat random process at its heart, but I stand by what I said as the likely outcome, because that's the path new diseases normally take. It's early days yet.

So that's why malaria is less deadly now? I've seen this said many times with zero backing, and it just really doesn't correlate with the history of disease. The reason we don't deal with the majority of deadly diseases is vaccines, not because they've evolved to become less deadly.

>I think we have a petty good idea by now actually

We have an idea of how well they work on the original covid-19 strain that we saw last year. We don't know how well they will work on actually eradicating the virus.

>I think the risk is small given such a mutation would possibly render the virus much less virulent

Based on what? It's already evolved to evade antibodies produced by infections from the first wave (P1 strain in Manaus specifically is a good example). Those have been mutations in the spike protein, and have made the virus more virulent and deadlier.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by WalterBright on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:48PM (#26921823)
> not because they've evolved to become less deadly.

Apparently our DNA is literally encoded with lots of viruses, as they've evolved to become utterly harmless to people. Our bodies are loaded with various bacteria and viruses that have evolved a symbiotic relationship to the point where we'd die without them, and they can't live without us.

I seriously doubt they started out that way.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by lazide on Saturday April 24, 2021 @01:30AM (#26922502)
Smallpox (around since about 500 BC or earlier near as we can tel), still had a 35% lethality rate until it was eradicated in the 70’s though an extensive vaccination campaign.

Diseases can be severely lethal far longer than you or human memory can survive.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by iso1631 on Saturday April 24, 2021 @07:20AM (#26924067)
> I have never in my life seen such widespread and illogical fear of vaccines.

It's interesting, in the UK we had ridiculous reaction to the MMR jab after a fraudulent claim, fired up by the media - from the ever populist Daily Mail to Private Eye [0], which led to a collapse in MMR takeup and a resurgence in measles.

But we haven't seen that with covid, perhaps because the printed press is (mostly) on the side of the current government (flag waving populists), and the vaccine rollout has been branded aprt of the generational "battle" between the UK, standing alone against Europe (many in the UK don't realise WW2 ended 76 years ago).

I wonder if we'd had a Corbyn or Starmer led coalition in charge if things would be different.

Or imagine if the lib dems had held on to 20-30 seats that the tories gained in 2015 -- likely another coalition, with a 5 year fixed term, no brexit referendum, and then the GE having to be delayed (it would have been set for May 2020)

[0] https://behavioralscientist.org/how-fraud-and-a-broken-publi...

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by hammock on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:03PM (#26920272)
>Over the last year it's be come more virulent and more deadly

Source?

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by soperj on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:18PM (#26920389)
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by missedthecue on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:02PM (#26918594)
Covid's victims are mostly in their 70s and above.

Malaria's victims are mostly under 5 years of age. In terms of life-years lost, Malaria is far far worse.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by owenversteeg on Friday April 23, 2021 @11:45PM (#26922086)
The average age of death from the coronavirus appears to be in the 80s for many countries. In Norway it's 84, in the UK it's 82.4.

You also have to take into account the health of those involved. Saving a life only for that person to live a few low quality years in poor health is worth less than saving the life of a healthy young child.

The resulting measure is the QALY, the quality adjusted life year.

Unfortunately there has not been nearly enough research or discussion about QALYs and their applicability to the coronavirus. There are a few studies out there, though, here's one: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/hec.4208

TLDR: the mean discounted QALYs lost by someone dying of the coronavirus in the US is 4.3.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by cutemonster on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:54PM (#26919092)
Yes, and, imagine you're 40 years old, and your 75 years old parents die, or your two 5 years old kids
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by jjk166 on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:17PM (#26919312)
That's peak malaria deaths in a single country

Globally, malaria kills 1-3 million people annually despite many people having some natural resistance to it and there being many effective treatments for it and it already having been eradicated in many areas. Covid killed the same amount in a much larger population that had no pre-existing defenses or treatments.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by reddog on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:44PM (#26917785)
Because malaria has been killing people consistently for thousands of years? You can easily add Tuberculosis to the makes-covid-look-like-sniffles list as well. Over the last 200 years 1 billion people have died of TB.

https://www.nature.com/articles/502S2a

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by throwaway5752 on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:52PM (#26917878)
It's incorrect to say it looks like sniffles in comparison. This is basically severity / priority in software. If we left sars-covid-19 without mitigation for a century, it would catch up rapidly. You compare things over relevant intervals.

There are far more influenza deaths over the last 3 decades than ebola, but ebola is far more severe and greater concern.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by jefftk on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:23PM (#26918213)
> If we left sars-covid-19 without mitigation for a century, it would catch up rapidly.

I think that's probably wrong? The most likely outcome would be that after the initial pandemic subsided (with lots of deaths), most people would catch it when they were reasonably young and then be mostly protected.

This is different from malaria, which is much more deadly.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by eloff on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:41PM (#26918369)
Yes. Also evolution tends to favor making diseases better adapted to their hosts and note virulent, but less deadly.

We have a number of Coronaviruses endemic to humans that cause the common cold (among other viruses.) That's probably how covid19 would turn out, left to its own devices.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by estaseuropano on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:19PM (#26920399)
That's not correct. The virus doesn't care whether you die or heal. It cares how long you are contagious, so generally the time until death after infection tends to stretch, not general deadliness.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Someone on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:26PM (#26919933)
I think the most likely outcome is that it will become like the flu: not that deadly in Western society, but mutating too rapidly for protection to last long, and still killing many elderly and people with chronic health conditions each year (according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza, Influenza kills over half a million people each year)

(Both are RNA viruses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthornavirae)

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by throwaway5752 on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:59PM (#26918559)
That's a pretty fair amount of speculation about the future evolution of sars-covid-19, but you might be right. I hope you are. To be direct with you - I disliked the framing altogether, neither of them are sniffles, and it's unhelpful and barely meaningful to compare an acute respiratory transmitted virus with a mosquito borne parasite over such wildly different timeframes. This is wonderful news about the vaccine for the terrible disease malaria. Covid is also a terrible disease.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by amalcon on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:37PM (#26919519)
It is as yet unclear how long effective immunity lasts after catching the disease, but pessimistic estimates put it at less than six months. While the pessimistic estimates are likely wrong (hence the term "pessimistic"), there certainly isn't confidence in the sort of lifelong immunity that one gets to some other contagions.

Part of what's so exciting about the vaccines is that the antibodies seem to decay at a slower rate, meaning that it could result in longer immunity (though we obviously don't know for sure yet).

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by jefftk on Friday April 23, 2021 @08:17PM (#26920838)
> pessimistic estimates put it at less than six months

If that were the case we would see large amounts of re-infection, since the pandemic started over a year ago

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by soperj on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:20PM (#26920411)
>I think that's probably wrong? The most likely outcome would be that after the initial pandemic subsided (with lots of deaths), most people would catch it when they were reasonably young and then be mostly protected.

Then why hasn't that happened with malaria?

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by jefftk on Friday April 23, 2021 @08:17PM (#26920829)
Malaria is a very different sort of disease? Among other things, covid is something that (a) doesn't seem to badly affect children and (b) seems to give some kind of immunity. Malaria does not have (a).
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by warrenm on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @03:57PM (#27054886)
Malaria also doesn't [seem] to have (b)

Getting malaria doesn't inherently make you less likely to get it again (if anything, it's the other way around)

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by soperj on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:52PM (#26917880)
So somehow it being around longer makes the more lethal disease the sniffles? That doesn't make sense.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by eloff on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:49PM (#26917848)
Yes. Add HIV to that list as well. Polio, which is almost gone now. It's a long list.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Tepix on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:03PM (#26918612)
You're comparing the worldwide Covid-19 numbers with the malaria numbers of a small region.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by MongooseMan on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:50PM (#26917856)
Comparing the deaths side by side misses an important aspect: most malaria deaths are children, whereas Covid mostly affects older age groups.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by soperj on Friday April 23, 2021 @02:54PM (#26917909)
Because old people are worth less than children?
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by fastball on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:00PM (#26917974)
Yes but not in the way you're implying.

A child dying robs them and the world of 60+ years of human life. An 80 year old dying of COVID-19 was not going to live much longer anyway, so the loss is less severe. Old people have already had the opportunity to live a "full" life.

Imagine two societies – one where a disease kills 50% of < 10s every year, and another that kills 50% of > 70s every year. Which society would do better? Which society would you rather live in?

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by soperj on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:29PM (#26918277)
In the US, more people in the 55-74 age range have died than the 85+. Those are people who are taking care of grand children, or are still working. These are people that society has spent decades making fully functioning parts of society. A child has had none of that investment.

A society of just children wouldn't work, just as a society without wouldn't work.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by fastball on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:48PM (#26918455)
Is your goal to just be as misleading as possible in this conversation?

Yes, of course more 55-74s have died – there are far, far more of them than there are >85s. Normalized, COVID is far more lethal (8x more lethal) for >85s than for your range. Here's the mortality rates:

55-74: 0.28%

85+: 2.5%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by soperj on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:23PM (#26918784)
How in any way is that misleading?

The actual numbers are more representative than lethality percentages when we're talking about contribution to society.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by StavrosK on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:48PM (#26919025)
What's more representative is "life years lost", and malaria wins there (we've lost many more years to it).
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by soperj on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:19PM (#26920403)
How do you calculate that in an area of the world with the highest rate of child mortality?
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by StavrosK on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:23PM (#26920439)
Same as in any other area, assume malaria isn't killing babies and do the math. Your question sounds rhetorical but is too simple to answer, so I'm confused.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by mkingston on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:58PM (#26920233)
My anecdotal observation is that is a position that a majority of old people themselves take, at least nominally.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by throwawayboise on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:01PM (#26917984)
Frankly, yes. It sounds cold hearted but many of the COVID deaths were people who were going to die in the next 24 months anyway.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by jhayward on Saturday April 24, 2021 @11:33AM (#26925610)
> The average years of life lost per death is 16 years.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83040-3

And, dismissing the death of someone by saying "they were going to die soon anyway, so what" is disgusting.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by warrenm on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @04:01PM (#27054934)
>And, dismissing the death of someone by saying "they were going to die soon anyway, so what" is disgusting.

It may be "disgusting" - but it's also statistics

It was sad when my grandfather died a couple years ago at 87 - but not exactly "unexpected"

Compare that to friends who lost their 18-year-old daughter before she graduated high school

Which one is shocking? Which one "hurts more"?

Deaths rates follow a bathtub curve - ultimately leading to a 100% mortality rate (ie, everyone dies eventually)

If you have to choose between saving a 5-year-old and an 85-year-old, the "smart money" says "save the kid"

If you don't have to choose, then by all means - save both

But that's not how economics works: choices must be made

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by renewiltord on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:55PM (#26918517)
In a QALY sense, yeah. The most valuable to society are the workforce but children are almost as valuable.

My parents are 60+ yr old surgeons. They work during the pandemic not because they have to. It's because you run the QALYs and the morality is clear. You participate or make way.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Abishek_Muthian on Friday April 23, 2021 @11:18PM (#26921969)
Also worldwide incidence of dengue has risen 30-fold in the past 30 years, and more countries are reporting their first outbreaks of the disease due to re-emergence of mosquito vector viruses.

Yet there seems to be no better alternative for simple mosquito nets when it comes to safe, efficient way of protecting ourselves from mosquitoes.

P.S. I've been tracking mosquito control strategies, it's the very first problem I posted on my problem validation platform - https://needgap.com/problems/6-safe-affordable-and-efficient...

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by iso1631 on Saturday April 24, 2021 @06:57AM (#26923952)
Covid 19 affects rich powerful people (rich old people in the west who can't buy their way out of it)

Malaria affects poor people with no power (young children in poor countries with limited access to medicine)

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by treeman79 on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:56PM (#26919115)
There is an extremely effective treatment.

Millions have perished from being denied it.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB113236412756302115

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by yorwba on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:13PM (#26919820)
The Stockholm Convention on Organic Pollutants contains an explicit exemption for DDT used for disease vector control. ( http://chm.pops.int/Portals/0/Repository/convention_text/UNE... page 28.) Your "millions have perished from being denied it" is incorrect. I don't know whether that's the Wall Street Journal's fault, because I won't pay them to find out whether they're wrong.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by treeman79 on Friday April 23, 2021 @07:08PM (#26920309)
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-may-29-fg-ddt29...

Been awhile since I researched the topic, but it was clear Africa counties got a lot heat each time they tried to use DDT.

So I will stick by millions dead.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by shoto_io on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:57PM (#26919126)
Absolutely. Malaria is the reason why mosquitos are considered the species most dangerous for humans.

Btw, I don't think it's a pandemic since it doesn't affect the entire globe. It's an epidemic, isn't it?

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by yarcob on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:47PM (#26919609)
Malaria is an endemic disease in parts of Africa (constant occurrence in a population). An epidemic is a disease rapidly spreading in a population (sudden outbreak). Pandemic is a worldwide outbreak.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Fomite on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:41PM (#26919557)
These are somewhat fuzzy terms, because pandemic or epidemic both imply unexpected numbers of cases, not just "lots" of cases.

For the most part, malaria is considered an endemic disease with a high incidence rate.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Footkerchief on Friday April 23, 2021 @01:54PM (#26917314)
Infants can also be infected before their first year of life, via vertical transmission: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4259075/
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by IG_Semmelweiss on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:31PM (#26918291)
malaria vector is mosquitoes, which are particularly devastating in tropical areas with rainy seasons that end up with numerous stillwater deposits.

Stillwater deposits (i.e. no fish) are the perfect breeding grounds for mosquitoes. If you have a very wide area with poor transportation infrastructure, or if you don't have funds to fumigate for mosquitoes...you are toast.

The incidence rate should not be surprising for anyone that has lived in a tropical country with a rainy season.

You can't run and you can't hide. Mosquitos come out when you sleep, and use body heat and breathing to find their victims. You will be bit by mosquitoes. Many times. Sometimes multiple times a day. The question is whether you get enough bites that chance will deliver a malaria bite.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by aledalgrande on Friday April 23, 2021 @09:02PM (#26921167)
Mosquitos use CO2 to find victims*
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by elihu on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:10PM (#26918064)
Technically, they recorded 717 incidents of malaria in 734 infants, which may have affected less than 717 infants if some of them were infected multiple times. Regardless, it's an awful situation.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by coliveira on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:12PM (#26918696)
The wealthy nations don't care about malaria because it happens only in poor countries. Maybe global warming will make them finally take notice.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by lastofthemojito on Friday April 23, 2021 @04:29PM (#26918835)
I get what you mean: Malaria vaccines never got a sudden rush of Manhattan-Project-esque funding like COVID-19 vaccines. But according to the study, funding for this research was provided by "The European & Developing Countries Clinical Trials Partnership (EDCTP), The Wellcome Trust and the NIHR Oxford Biomedical Research Centre".

The EDCTP is funded by the European Union as well as the individual member countries. The Wellcome Trust and Oxford are both British.

Perhaps wealthy nations could/should be doing more, but it seems like wealthy countries are responsible for this breakthrough.

Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Fomite on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:44PM (#26919578)
Malaria eradication did get a massive Manhattan Project-esq push. It just failed.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by Fomite on Friday April 23, 2021 @05:46PM (#26919593)
As an infectious disease epidemiologist, after HIV, malaria is probably the next most closely studied and well-funded infectious disease we look into. It's also been a WHO priority for basically the entire existence of the WHO.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by PeterisP on Friday April 23, 2021 @06:56PM (#26920213)
Malaria used to happen in USA and Europe, it was eradicated there less than hundred years ago.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by renewiltord on Friday April 23, 2021 @03:55PM (#26918515)
Ah, that's why GiveWell rates mosquito netting so high. To think I could save a child with a thousand dollars.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by georgeam on Friday April 23, 2021 @10:27PM (#26921719)
Not to be too nit-picky, but a thousand dollars would help or save many children, not just one. $20 will get you a mosquito net on Amazon.
Re:The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered by renewiltord on Saturday April 24, 2021 @12:32AM (#26922260)
Ah but not each child will die. GiveWell estimates that one grand roughly to spend enough netting to transform one dead child into a live child.