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Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by thomascountz on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:47AM (#50403714)
At one point in my life, I would've found this data fascinating (if it were opt-in, perhaps)! Now, I find it exhausting.

A similar discussion came up recently with Siri Recap[1], where some expressed how useful they thought it was and that, as a party to the conversations it summarizes, there was very little moral or ethical concern. But, I have a social concern.

If I'm having a chat with someone, there's a milieu constructed around the fact that not everything will be remembered verbatim. There are all sorts of social and contextual cues that can easily get lost if listening gets replaced by flat transcription.

With Recaps and now social graph (were it to be productized), the informal fluidity in the way we relate to one another starts to go away and the expectations that follow from that becomes artificial and burdensome. How could you ever be forgiven for forgetting the name of your colleague's new nephew or the Italian village that your neighbor took a spontaneous boat trip to while on vacation last year?

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49641401

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by ctippett on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:57AM (#50403768)
I too would've found this fascinating at one point, but my jaded older self now just finds this incredibly creepy, unsettling and not at all surprising.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by tclancy on Saturday November 07, 2026 @09:26AM (#50404822)
Add me to the list. This feels like a “the road to Hell is paved with good intentions” item.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by jerf on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:21AM (#50405308)
That saying is what it is for good reasons, but the path to post-capitalist dystopian hell is paved with bad intentions covered with plausible deniability.

I'm sure they'll sell this on what it can hypothetically do that is useful to the owner, but I don't think any of us need to pretend this will be anything other than something inimical to our desires in the end. I don't need to give them their deniability.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by Nevermark on Saturday November 07, 2026 @08:58PM (#50409837)
The system could work just as well for the user, stored only on the users devices, syncing in encrypted form only.

The plausibility in plausible deniability evaporates instantly with device/service/software provider's accessibility.

But faux plausible deniability seems to be just as good of a fig leaf.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by II2II on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:56PM (#50408414)
I suspect a lot of the fascination is because the information can be used to improve our quality of life. I suspect the cynicism comes from those who have the most access to this information using it to improve their quality of life at our expense. (That, and actually making use of the information takes more effort than most people are willing to expend.)

I have always been leery of data collection, but I have my own parallel: there was a lot of optimism about the benefits of personal computers in the 1980's and 1990's. Of course, that was pushed by the industry itself. I have since realized that what was happening then was not all that different from what is happening today. The outcomes were different because the tools were different, but it basically reduced/reduces to a bunch of people trying to enrich themselves by promising one thing and delivering another.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by wodenokoto on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:57AM (#50403769)
Maybe a decade or so ago I had a discussion with a colleague about chat apps and he said, why would you want to have a conversation on snapchat if it is not saved, and I was like, why are you having this conversation now, you can't save it either.

I guess that those days are soon over.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by neutronicus on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:16AM (#50403888)
Autocorrect has had the opposite effect IMO, there’s an expectation that like 1 in 8 words from an iPhone user are not what the sender intended.

Typos have just graduated from misspellings to sentences randomly being nonsensical.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by boringg on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:20AM (#50403920)
I turned autocomplete off for this reason
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by layer8 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:43AM (#50404070)
Did your autocorrect correct “autocorrect” to “autocomplete”?
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by panta on Saturday November 07, 2026 @09:09AM (#50404674)
I considered it intentional, since as a matter of fact "autocomplete" is more correct.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by heikkilevanto on Saturday November 07, 2026 @09:32AM (#50404864)
Autocorrupt
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by QuantumNomad_ on Saturday November 07, 2026 @09:38AM (#50404929)
Autocorrect and autocomplete are two slightly different things IMO. Both of them are in the wordlist on my iPhone also.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by dnpls on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:46AM (#50405943)
Swiping the keyboard used to be unreliable on iOS, then it improved enough to be usable. Then some updates ago it started to be nonsensical. Now I swipe to type something trivial, it writes the correct word, I swipe for the next word, it replaces the previous one with some uncommon word I've never used before and makes absolutely no sense to add in a sentence. It's maddening and it happens all the time.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by jvogt on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:41PM (#50406414)
Yes! Why is the keyboard on iOS still sooooo frustrating to use? Sometimes I wonder if it’s been intentionally nerfed to push us to use siri or apple intelligence.

I’m just waiting for the next iOS release with “Next-gen Swipe powered by Apple Intelligence Pro” (that conveniently only works on the latest 2 generations of iPhone)

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by SoftTalker on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:49PM (#50406464)
The current iOS keyboard is the worst mobile/touch keyboard I've ever used, and that goes back to Android well over a decade ago.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by neutronicus on Sunday November 08, 2026 @05:51AM (#50412121)
I primarily type on mobile via Swype, which may account for varying mileage.

For the record, “primarily” took 4 tries, “varying” 2, and “took” 3.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by coldtea on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:33PM (#50406809)
Same difference
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by dylan604 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:58AM (#50406045)
I swear I know the difference and when to use their, there, they're, but based on my iPhone messages, you'd think I was an illiterate buffoon. There are plenty of examples where I could show where they're making me look dumb with their edits.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by sdeframond on Saturday November 07, 2026 @09:58AM (#50405107)
This thought path has been explored by the Black Mirror series in the episode The Entire History of You.

https://black-mirror.fandom.com/wiki/The_Entire_History_of_Y...

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by r3trohack3r on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:30AM (#50405840)
I wouldn’t call black mirror an “exploration” of thought. It’s rather myopic - dystopia porn.

It’s like going to the 1962 world fair but, instead of optimism, everyone just wants to tell you why everything in the future sucks.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by dylan604 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:53AM (#50405998)
No, it's an exploration of what could happen based on things we've already seen/experienced but with the knob turned to an 11. It's what should happen in pretty much what if round table situation. "Hey, would could build this thing that does something that we are specifically thinking about that would be cool/fun/benevolent" is only part of the discussion. "How could someone else turn and use it in a way not anticipated so they use it for their own gains in a way that is shocking/malevolent" should be the natural follow up. Can the thing be updated to not be used for unintended negative purposes or will the negative out weigh the positive so that it shouldn't be made in the first place??? Sadly, it seems the follow up questions are never asked. Instead, we get scifi people doing it and then getting reviews like yours instead of looking deeper into point
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by r3trohack3r on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:08PM (#50406132)
That’s myopic - I feel like you’re agreeing but lead with “no”
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by PaulHoule on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:22AM (#50405321)
I go out as-a-fox as a street photographer using a shtick that makes sure people almost always remember my name and i find it a little embarrassing that I can't remember that many names or if it is a Megan how exactly I am supposed to spell it, etc.

I feel like people expect more from a fox with a lot of tails and I'm definitely look for a personal information manager that can accurately timestamp and geocode all my interactions with very little perceived effort on my part.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by josephg on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:14AM (#50405735)
There’s a very big difference between opting in to using a tool and having the tool silently start analysing you in the background.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by UltraSane on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:36AM (#50405871)
I'm really trying to understand what as-a-fox means.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by nehal3m on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:11PM (#50406163)
Same. A furry photographer?
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by zargon on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:22PM (#50406252)
In context, I interpreted it as a furry costume.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by kayodelycaon on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:20PM (#50406718)
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Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by pizzafeelsright on Saturday November 07, 2026 @05:35PM (#50408691)
You could text Paul. He is but a Google search away to see the shtick.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by gnabgib on Saturday November 07, 2026 @05:51PM (#50408790)
It's in his profile https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=PaulHoule -> https://gen5.info/fox/ -> User's Manual for the Fox-Photographer
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by ryandrake on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:24AM (#50405334)
I've also become totally exhausted by all these "someone is making your computer do X behind your back" revelations. Whether it's the app developer or OS vendor, it doesn't really matter. When did PCs stop being the user's computer / operating on behalf of the user, and instead start operating on behalf of the OS vendor and app developers? Every day there's a new case of this.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by dingaling on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:12AM (#50405713)
Largely, I believe, when phones crossed over from being basic communication devices to being smartphones, but retained their 'appliance' nature.

An entire generation thereby grew up with personal computing represented by vendor-controlled handheld appliances, and naturally regarded actual PCs in the same manner.

And their skills to manage a PC atrophied too, leading to a feedback loop.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by skinfaxi on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:18AM (#50405759)
It's even reflected in the language used by younger generations, asking if things are "allowed" or assuming things are illegal by default.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by dylan604 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:47AM (#50405948)
In some Linux distros like Debian, everything is illegal/prohibited until you explicitly allow it and only comes with the bare minimum of software necessary to make the OS work. Contrast that to other distros like Ubuntu where everything comes preinstalled and is very permissive. These obviously target different audiences. Smart phones are targeting different audiences too. The power users annoyed by the dumb things the device does just means you're not the target audience and are just bonus buyers for their bottom line.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by gf000 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:57PM (#50407977)
> In some Linux distros like Debian, everything is illegal/prohibited until you explicitly allow it

Bit of a nitpick, but this is certainly not true of their userspace, where an `npm install` can just install a keylogger or read your ssh keys, or do whatever it wants -- except for updating your video card driver.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by dylan604 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:53PM (#50408387)
I would hope that someone deliberately choosing to run a headless Debian install would be wise enough to not go around running `npm install` willy nilly. In my personal experience, I've never once needed an `npm install` in Debian environment. I've only ever used them in server environments and to be honest thinking about it, that was all pre-npm when javascript was kept where it belonged in your browser and not my server. Someone screwed us all allowing JS on the server, but that's an entirely different conversation.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by gf000 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:59PM (#50408440)
Well, it's enough to use a trusted app as your own user on non-trusted data. The former just has to have a memory vulnerability, which is not rare given most of it is C.

So yeah, don't be so confident in it working out. Unfortunately gnu/linux desktop is severally lacking in security (and by desktop I mean a headless personal use as well)

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by Xirdus on Saturday November 07, 2026 @08:04PM (#50409583)
I used to run npm install unsupervised from a script on headless Debian that I deliberately chose dozens of times everyday. Later I moved my CI to Alpine.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by hparadiz on Saturday November 07, 2026 @08:24PM (#50409688)
Complete nonsense. You get passwordless root upon install.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by direwolf20 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:31PM (#50406796)
Side effects of living in an authoritarian panopticon
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by ryandrake on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:49PM (#50406933)
I just don't want to have this ongoing relationship with my software vendor. When I buy an Apple computer, I don't want to have a relationship with Apple. I don't want to log in to iCloud. I don't want them deciding what software I can run and what I can't. I don't want them wagging their finger disapprovingly at me when I download and run something not "notarized" by them. I don't want them mediating my use of my own computer! When I buy a Windows PC it's even worse. Again, I don't want to log into a Microsoft account. I don't want them pushing other software on me via in-OS ads. I don't want to send telemetry back to them. I don't want them recording my screen and saving it god knows where for nebulous "features".

When I buy a table saw, I don't expect DeWalt to hang around my workshop telling me what I can and can't cut, watching and logging what wood I use and when I use it, what my finished product looks like, changing the features and buttons on the saw in the middle of the night. Why the fuck do we tolerate this from software??

It's gotten to the point that Linux is the only sensible option, and not all distributions! Some of them are letting telemetry and metrics and A/B testing creep in. And some third part Linux software is just as intrusive and demanding as commercial Windows/Mac software.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by mixmastamyk on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:06PM (#50408912)
Sounds like you’d like our group: https://trustworthy.technology/

There’s an invite link there to the chat group, though I need to update it.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by Obscurity4340 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:41PM (#50410235)
Great resource!
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by mightysashiman on Sunday November 08, 2026 @06:32AM (#50412356)
"Army of light" though
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by jjav on Sunday November 08, 2026 @04:46AM (#50411783)
> I just don't want to have this ongoing relationship with my software vendor.

This is precisely it.

When I buy a screwdriver, I just want to use it when I need it. I don't want to have an account with Craftsman and give them any PII, etc. No, I just want to use the product I purchased.

It is really the same with any tech product. I bought it, I want to use it. I want zero contact with the manufacturer (even if I like them).

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by jjav on Sunday November 08, 2026 @04:49AM (#50411791)
> It's gotten to the point that Linux is the only sensible option, and not all distributions!

As much as I've loved Linux for over 30 years, even Linux is becoming suboptimal. I'm mostly installing FreeBSD or OpenBSD these days.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by ssss11 on Sunday November 08, 2026 @12:51AM (#50410764)
And PC’s became appliance like with updates, accounts, and now ads
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by alsetmusic on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:56AM (#50413414)
As much as a sibling comment gets it right, this is wrong:

> And their skills to manage a PC atrophied too, leading to a feedback loop.

They never built those skills. I know that a lot of us cheered the computer revolution, thinking that everyone born after would understand the things that older generations didn't get, but most didn't care and didn't learn.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by gimlichgu on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:08PM (#50406137)
Richard Stallman told y'all when it happened that it was happening
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by SoftTalker on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:42PM (#50406419)
> When did PCs stop being the user's computer / operating on behalf of the user

When we connected them to the internet.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by coldtea on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:28PM (#50406769)
We connected them to the internet a full decade or more before this happened.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by antiframe on Saturday November 07, 2026 @02:52PM (#50407469)
My computer has been connected to the Internet since the 90s and it's also constantly been my computer. The trick is, run software that is free.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by SoftTalker on Saturday November 07, 2026 @04:19PM (#50408163)
But it was the internet that made all the spying, profiling, and tracking possible. Before that, there was no motivation, so software was developed and sold solely on its benefits to the user.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by nofunsir on Sunday November 08, 2026 @12:27AM (#50410657)
I would say it started with Chrome and Gmail
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by greyface- on Sunday November 08, 2026 @04:03AM (#50411568)
Chrome was the first major piece of software to incorporate automatic background installation of software updates without explicit user affirmation in 2008. Now, it's everywhere. I think this was an underappreciated event in the history of software freedom.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by direwolf20 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:31PM (#50406793)
As soon as they were connected to a network and capable of participating in the business OODA loop against their competitors in real time.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by sellmesoap on Saturday November 07, 2026 @02:12PM (#50407133)
I always thought the quote "you're not the customer you're the product" originated with RMS, I went to look it up before I commented and it turns out it was Richard Serra and Carlota Fay Schoolman in 1973! Just as true now as then. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/07/16/product/
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by imglorp on Saturday November 07, 2026 @09:56PM (#50410045)
Yes, and if the OS maker is not mining you for data, they are leaving mountains of cash on the table. So mine they must and mine they will. The financial incentives are overwhelming.

We should be removing those incentives at every level: legislative, societal, government and private.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by wat10000 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @02:44PM (#50407405)
People want the features that these things drive. PCs stopped being a purely "user says X, do X" thing at approximately the moment they became powerful enough to run things in the background. The idea that the computer would be helpful and do things for you beyond what you explicitly asked for is pretty attractive. People don't like being spied on, but good news, this one is all local.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by sandworm101 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @03:49PM (#50407915)
Every bad day for Apple-Microsoft is another great day for switching to Linux.

You have choices. Make them.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by hobo123 on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:23AM (#50413095)
And get an Android, install apps via F-Droid, which has really good apps by now, and they're all(?) crap-free.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by Noaidi on Sunday November 08, 2026 @09:30AM (#50413675)
Can I borrow some money? These choices cost me more than I can afford. Still using a six year old macbook I am so poor.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by jabroni_salad on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:33PM (#50409063)
for me it was around the time of windows 8, that I felt my computer had a lot of things to do that weren't the application I actually wanted to use. Before that I would just occasionally feel that the system could be a little kludgy.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by npunt on Sunday November 08, 2026 @01:02AM (#50410812)
The charitable take is that computing has grown to expand more and more use cases, and to deliver good experiences for those use cases requires simplifying assumptions, and that's where the inherent complexity of life leaks in.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by hobo123 on Sunday November 08, 2026 @08:22AM (#50413078)
Well, people use less and less open source, and more and more vendor provided enshittified apps, which of course don't act in YOUR best interest.

Campaign for privacy laws, open standards, right to repair, interoperability requirements etc.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by boredatoms on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:45AM (#50405493)
Typos are now nessesary to convince people youre not an AI
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by dylan604 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @11:54AM (#50406009)
phew, I knew not spending a lot of effort in skool for learning proper grammar would be worth it as an adult
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by sellmesoap on Saturday November 07, 2026 @02:19PM (#50407187)
The credibility of the lazy is going up, what could go wrong!
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by dasyatidprime on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:49AM (#50405540)
See also Ted Chiang's “The Truth of Fact, the Truth of Feeling”.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by antonvs on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:04PM (#50406086)
Amplifying the dystopia is that this feature was heavily written up by an AI. So we have a feature in which machines monitor our lives being described to us by a machine which comes with its own set of dystopian risks, and no genuine human to human interaction.

Evidence sample of native Claudish: “The identity group is the tidy story: same surname, same home address, an iCloud Family flag — and it is the small half.”

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by coldtea on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:34PM (#50406819)
LLM writing makes me puke
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by toyg on Sunday November 08, 2026 @04:35AM (#50411718)
The interesting aspect for me is that what we perceive as "claudism" here is exactly how TV reporters have always talked - and to a point, how marketers / pitchers talk. How did it end up having this disproportionate weight in AI engines ?
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by matwood on Saturday November 07, 2026 @01:11PM (#50406660)
I’ve been thinking about this a lot with zoom recordings. In office we used to have chats about a wide range of topics that were sometimes heated, but also respectful. Now with every meeting recorded, it’s all become pretty saccharine.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by tancop on Sunday November 08, 2026 @04:14AM (#50411616)
I don't think this is the same situation at all. Zoom recordings are outside your control and you know your boss or HR will have access to them. And relationships with employers are often closer to enemy than friend.

Your friend's Mac creating a knowledge graph is totally different because they control it. It gives them power to remember more about their interactions with you, but they would have to actively abuse it to hurt you in any way. If you can't trust someone with information then don't give it to them in the first place expecting them to forget it.

The problem is what happens if you get hacked or Apple decides to sell you out/work with law enforcement. I would only trust code like that if it was fully transparent about what it's doing, open source and strictly opt in. Apple is doing it in the background and that makes it instantly suspicious.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by ddj231 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:11PM (#50409301)
Adjacent to this I think it’s becoming clear that these technologies also change the signals we receive from one another. For example remembering details in a conversation is a signal that you were listening. If some system makes a breach into that social interaction you lose that signal. Now remembering details is no longer a signal.

I’m seeing it with polished websites. A polished site used to be a signal that a product was somewhat well thought out—at least it was worth the creators time to polish its marketing page. While now that AI products spit those out with AI speak that signal is lost.

I wonder if we’ll find out that the signal itself was more important than the means of sending the signal.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by pryce on Saturday November 07, 2026 @10:56PM (#50410304)
> With Recaps and this social graph (were it to be productized), the informal fluidity in the way we relate to one another starts to go away, and the expectations that follow from that become artificial and burdensome.

As this becomes normalized, people will retreat to a safer persona even in private conversations. This does not solve the problem at all; a great many mental illnesses and dynamics around pathological abuse are tied to the details of how each of us has a private and public-facing persona.

Already I see Gen-Z and Gen-Alpha are heavily resenting the demands placed on them to be always in 'branding'/'self-marketing' modes, and are seeking ways to retreat from the relentless expectations of being always in 'public persona', and are suspicious that this way of living is harmful.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by taneq on Sunday November 08, 2026 @05:33AM (#50412013)
Exactly. It’s a chilling effect on an ever-increasing proportion of human interaction. If everything you say is on permanent record then the safest course of action is to say little, and keep it as bland as possible.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by port11 on Sunday November 08, 2026 @04:21AM (#50411649)
I think of privacy as the right to be myself, because I get to choose which parts of my persona(s?) to expose.

People change over time, and those I care about will be part of the journey. We don’t remember each other’s mistakes all the time.

And then, of course, there is the effort we put into these relationships. I’d rather a friend forgets my birthday and apologises than their LLM of choice automatically sends me a carefully crafted messaged based on our interactions.

Maybe we’re the weird ones.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by normie3000 on Sunday November 08, 2026 @04:34AM (#50411714)
> I’d rather a friend forgets my birthday and apologises

Do most people really remember all the birthdays they acknowledge? For me they must be diarised, or beyond immediate family there's no chance.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by everdrive on Sunday November 08, 2026 @06:28AM (#50412339)
I don't understand what's wrong with the tech industry in the past 20 years. It feels like every time there is an opportunity to do the wrong thing, there is a mad rush towards that opportunity. Quickly! Do the wrong thing _first_ so some other company doesn't get to profit from evil instead of us. No company seems to consider abstaining from evil practices; burying the knowledge, or building systems which cannot be used for evil. The question only seems to be, how can _our_ evil succeed and benefit us.