I'm probably just a anti-app guy, but I tried it out.

First thing I went to do was CMD-F to search for some strings in the comments section.

Actually, the real first thing I did, was click on the left-side article preview on the text that said "1 hr ago | 63 comments" thinking it'd navigate me to the comments. See, I like my native hyper-links.

Am I missing some core concept here? Why would I want to browse the web in this app as opposed to a web browser?

I like native apps for things, even link aggregators, because my I want to use my OS's native window management and app management instead of just shoving everything into a browser tab, of which I already have too many. Because then it's just CMD+Tab to Chrome, and then figure out which of the 20+ tabs I'm trying to get to instead of CMD+Tab directly to that specific app.

Anyway, just a bit of old man yelling at cloud but I've always disliked the proliferation of "web app all the things." Might as well not even use a desktop OS at this point and just have a full screen browser window and call it a day.

It's just nice to have HN as it's own app instead of just another tab in a single app. Same reason I use mail.app vs. webmail, native music app vs the web player, etc.

PWAs also solve the problem, more or less, but it is nice to have something native.

you might not be aware of how how much power is at your fingertips on a Mac with a tool like Hammerspoon plus some other utilities

obviously you can bind the app with it's own shortcut without calling my entire browser, but I can move it to any part of any of my monitors easy with my one handed shortcuts: https://gist.github.com/pazimzadeh/b1c70f5f205d0b63264e7c021... you get the gist https://github.com/peterklijn/hammerspoon-shiftit

I guess you could make a web app or app clip but I think this is a cool project. would be good to have a theme engine.

Look at NetNewsWire how good a native app of this kind can be. NNW in particular has great shortcuts, like or opening links in the native browser, and read/unread functionality

Switching windows within the same Application is cmd+` ; and only works on the current workspace.

https://github.com/lwouis/alt-tab-macos

did I not mention that?

i am confused here now, what do you mean that i am missing?

For many the whole goal is the comments on those links.

There are various arguments for it (better compatibility/cohesiveness, minimalism, less debugging) but it overall seems like the opposite of the "hacker" mindset which makes how much market share MacOS has in the space very strange.

IMHO your comment is unfair. Native apps really are, when done right, much better. Sadly they are rarely done right.

There will be a way to do user actions like upvote/comment/favorite/flag soon.

Well, assuming you have a browser open anyway, you're still using more memory than if HN is running in another browser tab.

In fact, if every website that you use frequently had its own native app, that would use more memory than you're using now.

A fresh hackernews tab of this thread uses 150MiB (Sandboxed) in Chrome for me, and HN is a pretty lean site by all accounts.

https://sh.drk.sc/~dijit/hn_tab_mem_usage.png

https://sh.drk.sc/~dijit/hn_tab_extensions.png

EDIT: Looking into it, seems the tab memory viewer is only looking at the page and does not take extensions into account; if the extensions inject JS/Style to the page then it counts, and Bitwarden seems to only add a small amount of JS to find password dialogues. It uses memory, but outside of the tab viewer.

Ironically, most of the app is a webview. The comments just have some additional CSS styling slapped on top of the hackernews website. So you still have an entire HackerNews site loaded at all times when reading comments anyway.

http://github.com/fragmede/nitpick

https://github.com/Aperocky/hnterminal

Install: `pipx install hnterminal`

First feature request from me would be to adjust text size. I've start bumping up the default text size on all sites by one or two notches in the past year. Getting old, y'know. But also, as someone pointed out on a design blogpost a decade ago, why not make things easier to read. I didnt need it then, but I appreciate it now.

Really happy that I can run this on MacOS14 cause I've been locked out of some neat things people have built recently. Thanks for targetting older OSes. I'm not upgrading to the crap they've been putting out lately.

I'll be able to read details more later (getting ready for the job). Hope I didn't miss anything and comment about something that was already addressed. Congrats on shipping!

I've been doing this too; at some point I should probably just change the scaling of my desktop as a whole. But I like my high resolution, multiple windows layout too much to do it yet!

Please build for those of us who don't want the slop Apple is pushing. Pretty cool that you responded and added text sizing, would love to have it. Cheers!

Congratulations on getting this out!

This is a good start, but I think a better approach would be to piggyback off of ublock origin's lists. Hopefully less maintenance that way too.

That won’t work. uBlock origin is licensed GPLv3 (https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock), this code is MIT licensed (https://github.com/IronsideXXVI/Hacker-News).

@IronsideXXVI, are you open to changing to gpl v3? Otherwise, there is probably a decent set of filter lists with an MIT license somewhere. The goal is for you to NOT become a filter list maintainer, and by piggybacking off an already respected set of lists, you'd build user trust in your adblocking.

I don't know that I agree. If the adblocking functionality has gaps, then I will likely not use it for reading stories, and if I'm already opening up HN in my browser w/ ublock origin, then I might as well stay there and comment. Reading the article may not be the 'primary feature', but strong adblocking does seem like table stakes.

I don't necessarily have a ready solution to offer, but these are the obstacles preventing someone like me from being able to use apps like this comfortably and safely, especially knowing we are entering a transitional period where new apps are being vibe-coded every day and formal verification has not yet caught up.

Even if a given app has had every line of code reviewed by a human, or has well-defined interfaces that allow for sloppier internal code, how do I know that without cracking it open myself or asking an agent to help me audit it?

That opens the door to lots of additional features… Cache responses so you can still read stuff when it gets the HN hug of death. Do a full-text index and offer a secondary search capability over article contents. Maybe build an API for all that so you can have AI Agents ground themselves on articles that got strong quality signals on HN. Maybe sign agreements with publishers like LWN, The Information, or whoever else shows up on HN behind a paywall frequently.

Obviously that would need to be a paid feature.

Even if it enables lots of other features, that's not why I come to Hacker News and such a feature would be an immediate pass. Maybe others feel differently, but the fact that HN's design and featureset have not followed other trends over the years is part of why many of us still come here.

Maybe there is a market for what you're thinking, but I'd continue to do more market research to make sure you understand your user demographics before making the wrong move early on.

I sympathize with the desire to release programs/code anonymously or semi-anonymously on the internet. I noticed you don't particularly tie the extension to any identity (unless I'm missing something).

Maybe extensions are more constrained than I realize. Specifically it looks like the manifest has "host_permissions: ['https://squeeze.oj-hn.com/*']," and then presumably the only leakable thing is private contact email or votes. Maybe the chrome api content of the tabs/history permissions also (seems silly for chrome not to scope that to the startUrls though?) Not 100% sure I'm understanding correctly though.

it is all open source and built by CI, including squeeze, which is just a few lines of a CF worker.

https://github.com/OrangeJuiceExtension/

i'm also not anon and i have 16k karma here along with decades of history building open source that you're probably using on a daily basis without even knowing it (co-founder of java @ apache).

i also don't need money, so i won't ever sell this project to the highest bidder and i don't have plans or need to monetize it either. maybe add some ai features in the future that require you to put in your own api token. GPLv3 too, to prevent corporate takeover.

right now, it is just a ground up feature re-implementation of another popular HN extension that the author abandoned. i've done it with over 650 unit tests too, so it shouldn't be too buggy and stand the test of time.

up to you though. i use it daily. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edit: I liked the j and noticed it even worked elsewhere (bestcomments is when I ran into it)! None of this is requests, just reflections. Still warming up to the keyboard navigating collapsed comments behavior. Also I think I remember the original HNMarkAllRead 'hide stories' checkbox hid stories after visiting comments. (And there was a hide comments checkbox that when marked only revealed new comments since the last visit) There are lots of workflow permutations to hn!

i actually did this whole multi-layered object model to wrap around the dom to enable pagination more easily. took about 2 days of coding to figure that out. doing it that way made it so that you can even refresh the page and it will 'remember' where active article is. none of the other extensions are this well thought out.

what i'd like to do is add kind of a bookmark and tag system so that you can store what you want to read later and be able to tag it so that you can search for it. favorites is close, but it doesn't quite cover the same use cases.

try it out, let me know what you think. i promise not to hack your hackernews.

Also would be nice to be able store notes or short blurbs about usernames that will show up in the app. Maybe as a tooltip?

Btw, can you allow me to set the font-family, font-size, etc. for the interface? I can’t even do the default `CMD + +` to zoom in.

noprocrast + maxvisit + minaway on https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=Brajeshwar is your friend for this :)

> In my profile, what is noprocrast? - It's a way to help you prevent yourself from spending too much time on HN. If you turn it on you'll only be allowed to visit the site for maxvisit minutes at a time, with gaps of minaway minutes in between. The defaults are 20 and 180, which would let you view the site for 20 minutes at a time, and then not allow you back in for 3 hours. - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

I am maintaining the list of what I am reading: https://www.bvaibhav.info/knos-digest

Plan to extend this beyond HN.

Mark as Un/Read, manually and auto after I clicked and read.

Ok. Look at NetNewsWire. Start by copying the key features. That is what you are building, but for HN. https://netnewswire.com

One thing: I really like the colors of Hacker News. It feels weird to me when Hacker News is presented in other colors. If I were to use your app I'd want to change the color pallet back to what it looks like on HN.

> Getting macOS code signing and notarization working in CI was honestly the hardest part of this project. If anyone is distributing a macOS app outside the App Store via GitHub Actions, I'm happy to answer questions — the workflow is fully open source.

Yes, in a past life I shipped a Mac application. This aspect is always a little bit of black magic. I will say that the Windows installer situation was a lot worse, IMO.

Also I appreciate how you made all backend calls just static functions which they always should be. People tend to overcomplicate these things and add a lot of boiler plate and unnecessary bureaucracy.

Going to try your app, thank you!

P.S. tried it, already miss the `threads` tab

A font size setting would be nice, I found the font is a bit small.

This is sooo good.

Bravo!

In other similar news, I've been working on enhancing the HN ux, but still in the browser as an extension. The current build up on the Chrome store is pretty stable.

https://oj-hn.com

[1] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/webkit/webpage

My only nitpick is I wish I could force dark mode on web pages with a light background, but that’s minor.

SwiftUI is something entirely different and not trying to be cross-platform at all.

I don’t think CLI and GUI applications are the only software people write. Swift is a great backend language.

Thank you for the MIT license, I’ll be able to add my own.

It also works on my fork of the old news server.

Your code is just a very limited webbrowser. The webbrowsers, html are a very broken wheel. Alan Kay, the inventor of personal computing, explains why https://youtu.be/FvmTSpJU-Xc?t=961

This lecture Alan aimed at this audience, the computer science (programming) students at University of Illinois, where they programmed this broken wheel 20 years after Alan had showed them how do do it better.

Paul Graham should not have based HN (Hacker News) on the web and html but on WYSIWYG, then you would not have had to fix it with your app.

The Lively Kernel would be another way to fix html but retain the web. Two demos says it all:

https://youtu.be/gGw09RZjQf8?t=147

https://youtu.be/QTJRwKOFddc?t=234

Dan Ingalls implemented most of Alan Kay's invention of the personal computer, in these demo's he shows how to fix the webbrowser's broken wheel a bit. Their Squeak, Etoys and Croquet fixed it completely:

Early Croquet demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZO7av2ZFB8

Croquet in webbrowser: https://codefrau.github.io/jasmine/

Demo of webbrowser replacement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s9ldlqhVkM

Squeak and all its predecessors: https://smalltalkzoo.computerhistory.org

Etoys: https://squeak.js.org/etoys/

Two things, does anyone else feel like 2017 was not 9 years ago and rather feels like it was just yesterday? I use a 2017 iMac running MacOS 13.7.8. It appears my hardware will not support any newer version of MacOS. For the most part, I haven't been too discouraged by this as I prefer older MacOS designs over the newer ones.

However, this is the second time in 2 days I've actually hit a wall in the Apple eco-system due to an older OS.

Last night I tried to build Ghostty to hack on a feature... it needs Xcode SDK 26 which isn't supported on Xcode 14 (latest version I'm able to install).

Now today, attempting to try this app out, I can't launch it due to being on too old of an OS.

It's really a shame because this iMac from 2017 is quite the capable machine. Absolutely no reason to upgrade it (from a hardware / performance standpoint).

Windows developers would think nothing of keeping their applications running on Windows 7 (16 years old) or Windows 10 (11 years old), but my 9 year old Mac is somehow ancient.

Subtle bugs always find their way in increasing amounts for Windows applications that continue getting software releases; we tend not notice because we all run actually supported versions most of the time, and even when we dont- its only for a year.

I see people on youtube trying to make “modern desktop” experiences on Windows 7 and 8; and it takes some serious doing with all the incompatibility with things like browsers. Dialogues about missing features crashing you to desktop more often than working.

So much so that there are dedicated forks of chrome and firefox to support this purpose.

macOS Big Sur and newer on machines as old as 2007

macOS Big Sur, Monterey, Ventura, Sonoma and Sequoia

Personally I'm hapy with my old macOS in no small part thanks to https://www.macports.org

I think you should remove Claude as a contributor to your repo. It probably weaseled its way in on its own, I think it’s the developers job to talk about the tools they used not the tool company.

I actually really appreciate it when people do not hide their use of Claude code in their repo like that. It's usually the first thing I check on Show HN posts these days.

You're not kidding! That's actually the first thing I looked at in your Github Repo. It's annoying as I made a neovim gui and downloaded it from GH and couldn't run my own app until I dug into some hidden place in the Settings App. Definitely super helpful to see how it's done.

I'm digging the app too! As another commenter said it'd be cool to see the comments as native SwiftUI elements as well. :)

If anyone wants to see another repo with this, we have it set up for Slippi (and various subprojects, like the Launcher): https://github.com/project-slippi/Ishiiruka

I'm thankful that it's largely a "once it's working, it rarely breaks". If it does break, it's usually because I have to sign in to the developer portal and accept some contract somewhere. Error messages in CI rarely indicate this is the case sadly.

How is this superior to an RSS reader?

I'm curious, how much does it cost? Is it per build or a subscription? How do you make it work financially for an open-source project?

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I use https://apps.apple.com/us/app/readder-for-reddit/id104357580... surprisingly often. It's got this simplistic web browser (uses something like Readability and allows for following links inside and outside of reddit). It can also play youtube links via the Youtube app and direct video links inline. Last updated five years ago and still mostly works.

https://github.com/timkuijsten/BoundedBikeshed

It lets me see the top-level comments with some indication of the thread depth. Totally changed my post scanning.

Two of my feature requests: 1. Allow cmd+f search on the whole app - I wanted to search your post on the app but I couldn't 2. A browser button to open the current page on an external browser.

Side note: I am trying to minimize my HN time via getting push notifications for relevant HN posts, and that's how I discovered your post. Would it be cool if one could write custom agents on top of an app? Maybe?

And... is there a way to, ahem, read the 500 tabs I have open on my browser, and re-open them all in the app? Asking for a friend...

just today its gone from 1.1.3 -> 1.1.4 -> 1.1.5 -> 1.1.6 -> 1.1.7 -> 1.1.8 -> 1.1.9 -> 1.2 -> 1.2.2 (skipped 1.2.1?) in under 5 hours. A lot of these could wait until theyre put in a relatively bigger release!

I understand "shipping at the speed of inference", but it makes the people who opt into updates more like testers on a "nightly" release cycle. At that point, I'd call it a nightly.

Simon Halvdansson runs "Harmonic", an Android client for Hacker News, I am using it daily for 2+ years and I sincerely recommend it.

I even asked him a feature (mark a story as read), and he implemented it shortly after.

Shout-out to you Simon!

https://github.com/SimonHalvdansson/Harmonic-HN

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simon.harm...