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Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by Aurornis on Sunday January 04, 2026 @01:24PM (#46490683)
> The load time improvements had destroyed their company culture. Instead of everyone coming into the office, turning on their computers, and spending the next 10min chatting and drinking coffee

One of my early tasks as a junior engineer involved some automation work in a warehouse. It got assigned to me, the junior, because it involved a lot of time working in the warehouse instead of at a comfortable desk.

I assumed I’d be welcomed and appreciated for helping make their work more efficient, but the reality was not that simple. The more efficient I made the technical part of the job, the more time they had to spend doing the manual labor part of the job to keep up. So the more I reduced cycle times, the less time they had to sit around and chat.

Mind you, the original process was extremely slow and non-parallel so they had a lot of time to wait. The job was still very easy. I spent weeks doing it myself to test and optimize and to this day it’s the easiest manual labor job I’ve ever worked. Yet I as the anti-hero for ruining the good thing they had going.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by wiether on Sunday January 04, 2026 @02:11PM (#46491140)
> So the more I reduced cycle times, the less time they had to sit around and chat.

Couldn't help but imagining Darryl getting mad at you.

Thanks for the story!

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by vkou on Sunday January 04, 2026 @03:16PM (#46491735)
> The more efficient I made the technical part of the job, the more time they had to spend doing the manual labor part of the job to keep up. So the more I reduced cycle times, the less time they had to sit around and chat.

The faster the LLM spits out garbage code, the more time I get to spend reviewing slop and dealing with it gaslighting me, and the less time I get to spend on doing the parts of the job I actually enjoy.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by vbezhenar on Sunday January 04, 2026 @07:06PM (#46493773)
One of my work involved automating some process which was very manual and tedious, took a lot of time and there was dedicated employee for that process. After I did the project, it turned out that this job wasn't necessary anymore and that employee was fired. I felt uneasy about the whole situation.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by Panzer04 on Sunday January 04, 2026 @07:43PM (#46494033)
And they will have to go find another job instead. It feels weird but this is how we raise living standards - removing human labor from production (or, in other words, increasing the amount produced per human)

Automation is a game of diffuse societal benefit at the expense of a few workers. Well, I guess owners also benefit but in the long term that extra profit is competed away.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by elmomle on Sunday January 04, 2026 @10:24PM (#46495010)
That's a highly idealized view that I hope we can agree doesn't completely jive with what we see in society today. If a small number of shareholders reap all the profits, the vast majority of the benefit from automation flows to them, and it's even possible for the lives of average people to get worse as automation increases, as average people then have less leverage over those who own the companies.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by rictic on Sunday January 04, 2026 @11:25PM (#46495325)
Inflation adjusted incomes are up in the US across the board. The affordability problem is largely the price of housing because it's illegal to build.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by powerapple on Monday January 05, 2026 @12:00AM (#46495484)
because the developing world is producing a lot of things except the housing.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by eru on Monday January 05, 2026 @02:19AM (#46496124)
They also don't produce haircuts.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by xboxnolifes on Monday January 05, 2026 @01:42AM (#46495947)
How can inflation adjusted income be up and there still be an affordability crisis?
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by eru on Monday January 05, 2026 @02:18AM (#46496120)
The price of housing can rise even faster than incomes.

Housing is only a part of the basket used to measure inflation. Housing's price rose faster than the weighted basket average, some other goods and services rose slower or even fell.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by woooooo on Monday January 05, 2026 @04:16AM (#46496764)
Housing, schooling, healthcare, daycare, food.

Samsung TV purchasing power has skyrocketed, though, so there's that.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by pbhjpbhj on Monday January 05, 2026 @04:26AM (#46496824)
Accommodation costs are the first part of any sensible measure of inflation. If you're not factoring in housing then you're fudging the figures.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by hdgvhicv on Monday January 05, 2026 @05:18AM (#46497128)
Many people don’t see housing inflation - if you bought a house in 2020 and house prices were up 80% since then it doesn’t affect your housing costs, especially in the US where mortgage rates are fixed for length of term even if interest rates sky rocket.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by eru on Monday January 05, 2026 @09:17PM (#46507947)
Yes? Who says otherwise?

As long as accommodation isn't 100% of your basket of goods and services you use to measure inflation, accommodation can rise in price faster (or slower) than the basket. This ain't exactly rocket science.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by xboxnolifes on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @01:01PM (#46529928)
If the mandatory basket item expense raises, it should also become a larger portion of basket, as the basket is supposed to measure the cost of living. So either CPI is not properly measuring the cost of living, or there isn't an affordability crisis.

You cannot have rising inflation adjusted wages and worse spending power, unless the inflation is not being measured meaningfully.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by WalterBright on Monday January 05, 2026 @02:06AM (#46496057)
Inflation also corrodes your savings and investments.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by haizhung on Monday January 05, 2026 @04:39AM (#46496899)
Housing is not part of the inflation calculation. There IS a housing inflation crisis.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by gnz11 on Monday January 05, 2026 @05:44AM (#46497313)
Household income is more than just wages. Household income can go up while wages remain stagnant or shrinking because other pieces of the pie are increasing (e.g. work benefits, investments, money from the government). https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2016/09/sources-of-household...
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by samiv on Monday January 05, 2026 @05:36AM (#46497254)
Yet more and more people are struggling to afford even basic necessities and one can only dream of the luxury of the 50's when a single working class person was able to pay and cover for housing, car, family and even have enough for leisure. Where has all the economic surplus gone? Right...to the bourgeois, the capital owning class that exceedingly extract more and more of the wealth generated by the society.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by rswail on Monday January 05, 2026 @05:59AM (#46497389)
Incomes are up, but the expenses are up as well, especially with the upcoming changes in healthcare for people on the ACA.

Also any comparison of wage growth vs corporate profit growth over the last 30 years shows that wages have not kept pace with the increase in productivity.

So incomes are only just barely keeping up, when they should be booming.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by phyzix5761 on Sunday January 04, 2026 @11:42PM (#46495399)
On average, most large cap stocks (MSFT, GOOG, AAPL, etc) are owned by millions of retail investors through 401Ks, mutual funds, ETFs, and direct ownership.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by BobbyJo on Monday January 05, 2026 @12:27AM (#46495615)
Median net worth at 40 years old in the US is less than 150k. Most Americans benefit very little from share prices rising, at least directly.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by couchridr on Monday January 05, 2026 @02:06AM (#46496058)
Of the US stock market half is owned by 1%.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBST01122

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by zipy124 on Monday January 05, 2026 @05:17AM (#46497121)
Actually I believe this graph is half of US-owned equities and mutual funds is owned by the top 1% of Americans right? This doesn't include other extremely large holders such as sovreign wealth funds like norway/singapore or very large pension funds like the ontario teachers fund etc....

The USA is rather unique in its low pensions compared to countries in the EU or Australia (notable for its high contribution rates).

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by robocat on Monday January 05, 2026 @05:48AM (#46497327)
Tech founders (part of the 1%) own about 2% of the stock market.

About 18% is owned by foreign entities.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by wisty on Monday January 05, 2026 @12:46AM (#46495689)
> If a small number of shareholders reap all the profits

It's not greater profits but lower costs (and prices) that matter here.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by adrianN on Monday January 05, 2026 @12:58AM (#46495743)
Lower costs only translate into lower prices if sufficient competition is there. That is not true for many markets
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by dr_dshiv on Monday January 05, 2026 @01:50AM (#46495979)
That’s the big difference in China. When there is competition for everything —> prices are low. Not a lot of profits for investors, though…
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by eru on Monday January 05, 2026 @02:21AM (#46496130)
Which markets do you have in mind?

I'm all in favour of lowering barriers to entry, too. We need more competition.

Be that from startups, from foreign companies (like from China), or from companies in other sectors branching out (eg Walmart letting you open bank accounts).

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by wisty on Monday January 05, 2026 @01:52AM (#46495993)
Untrue, most of the time. Even with a monopoly, there's still a demand curve.

Would you rather sell one widget for $1000 or 1000 widgets for $10? Does the answer depend on costs?

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by WalterBright on Monday January 05, 2026 @02:15AM (#46496107)
The ROI for a large corporation tends to be around 10%.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by eru on Monday January 05, 2026 @02:24AM (#46496151)
Everybody can be a shareholder in a publicly traded company. It's pretty easy.

If you want to spin up some conspiracy theory about elites snatching up productivity gains, you should focus on top managers.

(Though honestly, it's mostly just land. The share of GDP going to capital has been roughly steady over the decade. The share going to land has increased slightly at the cost of the labour share.

The labour share itself has seen some shake up in its distribution. But that doesn't involve shareholders.)

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by rswail on Monday January 05, 2026 @06:06AM (#46497431)
Everyone with excess disposable income can be a shareholder in a publicly traded company.

The oligarchy of the CxOs and boards and cross-pollination has led to concentration of the rewards of companies into the their hands, compared to 40 years ago.

All the productivity gains have not gone to labor, its predominately gone to equity and then extracted via options and buy backs to avoid tax which means public service and investment has gone down.

The craziness of the USG borrowing to fund tax cuts is the ultimate example.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by eru on Monday January 05, 2026 @09:16PM (#46507935)
> All the productivity gains have not gone to labor, its predominately gone to equity [...]

What your evidence for that? See https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/2015a_r... for a good account.

> [...] and then extracted via options and buy backs to avoid tax which means public service and investment has gone down.

You seem very confused about how capital markets work. Are you also suggesting buy backs are morally different from dividends?

In any case, the whole point of investing (at least to the investor) is to eventually get more money back than you put in. Returning money to investor is not a bug, it's the point.

> The craziness of the USG borrowing to fund tax cuts is the ultimate example.

Blame voters.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by droopyEyelids on Sunday January 04, 2026 @10:24PM (#46495016)
There have been times historically where that was true but all productivity gains have been captured by the .1% for the past few decades.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by Rzor on Sunday January 04, 2026 @11:40PM (#46495386)
And someone don't need to look further than this quite interesting report by the Rand Corp: https://www.rand.org/pubs/working_papers/WRA516-1.html

We document the cumulative effect of four decades of income growth below the growth of per capita gross national income and estimate that aggregate income for the population below the 90th percentile over this time period would have been $2.5 trillion (67 percent) higher in 2018 had income growth since 1975 remained as equitable as it was in the first two post-War decades. From 1975 to 2018, the difference between the aggregate taxable income for those below the 90th percentile and the equitable growth counterfactual totals $47 trillion.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by WalterBright on Monday January 05, 2026 @02:17AM (#46496116)
Income is the wrong measurement. Total employee compensation is the more accurate one, and averages around 145% of salaries.

Total employee compensation includes things like the value of employer provided health insurance.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by eru on Monday January 05, 2026 @02:22AM (#46496136)
What's your evidence for that?
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by j16sdiz on Monday January 05, 2026 @01:00AM (#46495752)
> removing human labor from production

Karl Marx would argue this evil because this take away the value and job satisfaction from the labour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_alienation

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by eru on Monday January 05, 2026 @02:22AM (#46496133)
You might notice that Karl Marx isn't exactly the pinnacle of economics.

Quoting Marx is a bit like quoting Aristotle or Ptolemy.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by Cthulhu_ on Monday January 05, 2026 @05:37AM (#46497257)
It's narrow vs wide views. Wide views, automation and the like has improved the economies massively. But narrow views, people have lost their jobs, had to retrain and basically restart their career, and some never found another job.

This isn't just automation btw, but also just business decisions, like merging companies, outsourcing, or moving production elsewhere - e.g. a lot of western European manufacturing has moved eastwards (eastern Europe, Asia, etc). People who have a 30+ years career in that industry found themselves on the proverbial street with another 10+ years until their retirement, and due to trickery (= letting their employer go bankrupt) they didn't even get paid a decent severance fee.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by _heimdall on Monday January 05, 2026 @07:30AM (#46498035)
I've not seen a correlation between automation and wealth, though there is an extremely string correlation between energy use and wealth.

I don't think its automation that increases living standards. We increase living standards by consuming more energy, and that often comes along with increasing the amount of costs we externalize to someone else (like pollution or deforestation, for example).

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by red-iron-pine on Monday January 05, 2026 @10:23AM (#46499832)
> It feels weird but this is how we raise living standards

yeah but it's clear that we're not doing that, and are arguably going the other direction as hard as possible

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by yujzgzc on Sunday January 04, 2026 @07:40PM (#46494007)
"Laid off" may be more appropriate than "fired", but in essence, removing the need for costly labor is often the main "value" of any technology. Society as a whole comes out ahead from it, I mean for all the ice transporters and merchants put out of a job by electric refrigeration, and all the sailors put out of a job by modern cargo ships I think we're better off for it. But at the individual level it does make one uneasy about the prospects of individuals affected by it. My personal conclusion is that people have a personal duty to anticipate and adapt to change, society might give them some help along the way but it doesn't owe them that their way of life will be maintained forever.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by taftster on Sunday January 04, 2026 @09:54PM (#46494821)
This says a lot as relating to the rise of AI and the fear of job loss. There's going to be displacement in areas we can't predict, but overall it might very well just lead to leveling up the entire workforce.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by Nevermark on Monday January 05, 2026 @12:23AM (#46495595)
> it might very well just lead to leveling up the entire workforce.

How could that possibly work?

At some point I could see white collar work trending down fast, in a way that radically increased the value of blue color work. Software gets cheaper much faster than hardware.

But then the innovation and investments go into smart hardware, and robotics effectiveness/cost goes up.

If you can see a path where AI isn't a one-generational transition to most human (economic) obsolescence, I would certainly be interested in the principle or mechanism you see.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by gnatolf on Monday January 05, 2026 @03:15AM (#46496427)
Craftsmen will have a resurgence, that's probably a 'leveling up' in terms of resilience against AI takeover. There's just no way of automating quite a few of the physically effective crafts.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by pbhjpbhj on Monday January 05, 2026 @04:32AM (#46496868)
So the rich who can afford craftsmen will get richer, spend more on their multiple houses, perhaps. But that's literal crumbs, one or two jobs out of tens of thousands. There's no significant "leveling up" there at the societal levels of job destruction we're talking about.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by Spooky23 on Sunday January 04, 2026 @11:41PM (#46495395)
Very true. We waste alot of valuable labor on “software engineering” that is grossly inefficient. Capital gets allocated to these so called startups that are incredibly inefficient.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by samiv on Monday January 05, 2026 @05:40AM (#46497283)
This is putting the apple cart before the horse.

Economy should be a tool for the society and to benefit everyone. Instead it's becoming more and more a playground for the rich to extract wealth and the proletariats have only purpose to serve the bourgeois lest they be discarded to the outskirts of the economy and often to the literal slums of the society while their peers shout "you're just not working hard enough".

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by wholinator2 on Sunday January 04, 2026 @09:08PM (#46494578)
I agree. I was brought on as an intern to do automation for a business team. The company had built this gargantuan complex "programming tool" to help the boomers who'd been there for 30 years adjust to the new world (a noble endeavor for mortgage holders without college degrees, i believe). I was brought in to basically fuck around and find little things to optimize. In 2 months I wrote a python script to do about 50% of the teams work near instantly.

They had layoffs every year and i remember when the "boss's boss" came to town and sat at our table of desks. She asked me and i excitedly told her about my progress. She prompted how i felt about it and i nearly said "its very easy as long as you can program". But mid sentence i saw the intense fear in the eyes of the team and changed subject. It really hit home to me that these people actually were doing a useless job, but they all had children who need insurance, and mortgages that need paying. And they will all be cast out into a job market that will never hire them because they came on at the very end of not needing a college degree. The company was then bought by a ruthless and racist "big man investor" who destroyed it and sold it for parts. But my manager did somewhat derogatorily refer to the only programmer near them as "the asian".

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by shermantanktop on Sunday January 04, 2026 @11:10PM (#46495261)
> refer to the only programmer near them as "the asian"

If they ever hired a second one, they’d have to learn actual names. Or maybe it would be “the asian” and “the new asian”!

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by nicbou on Monday January 05, 2026 @02:43AM (#46496263)
How do you feel about the whole thing years later?
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by wafflemaker on Monday January 05, 2026 @12:14AM (#46495553)
In Norway there's laws for that, but other places do it even without them. You just retrain the person to do something else. He might take a job of a temp that was hoping to get a fast contract (instead of a few weeks at a time during trial period). Other than that, it's good for the person (not losing job) but also for the company - you get a tried person with good work ethics that comes on time. It's not zero cost to find somebody like that.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by fragmede on Monday January 05, 2026 @12:17AM (#46495565)
Yeah the bar for competent is surprising hard to hit. A human being that shows up on time and it's reliable, doesn't have a problem with drugs or alcohol, or has a sick family member and just needs an advance. Good help is hard to find!
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by yamakadi on Monday January 05, 2026 @03:50AM (#46496608)
I understand the rest, but an otherwise capable person with a sick family member does not clear the bar for competent? Saddening if that’s where we are as a society.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by virtue3 on Monday January 05, 2026 @04:03AM (#46496678)
It’s hard for some people to understand that situation until they are in it. Unfortunately.

Totally agree with you.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by strken on Monday January 05, 2026 @04:58AM (#46496996)
I think the key part of that sentence was "...and just needs an advance", implying that they're going to take the job, ask for a cash advance for a (possibly fictional) sick family member, and immediately quit.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by eloisant on Monday January 05, 2026 @05:53AM (#46497348)
If you're only getting those kind of candidates, then your job offer isn't attractive enough.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by red-iron-pine on Monday January 05, 2026 @10:23AM (#46499819)
then the pendulum swings the other way and now I have ruthless mercenaries chasing $$$ who will jump at the first opportunity

and not every job needs to be top-shelf.

Betty in Accounts-Payable just sorta needs to be there and not screw up too often. I don't need a super-star, and if we have to move her to another part of Accounting that's fine; I'll save my money for a solid CPA or two, etc.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by rincebrain on Monday January 05, 2026 @02:32AM (#46496196)
A lot of places in the US are not, in my experience, that intelligent about hiring people.

Or, say rather, the externalities of the cost of hiring are not imposed on the people choosing to fire, directly, so they can say they "improved efficiency" by firing someone, and then the people trying to find reliable labor do not experience any improvement that might have been available by migrating the person.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by red-iron-pine on Monday January 05, 2026 @10:11AM (#46499662)
agreed. the "lump of labour" fallacy is a thing -- the idea that there are always more bodies and that it's trivially easy to hire, train / get up to speed, and work them.

in practice hiring and firing is expensive and often very risky. Bjorn the office worker may now be redundant and have a room temperature IQ but he's shown he'll show up on time, sober, and is liked by his coworkers enough, so throwing $5k to retrain him may be a far, far smarter investment then blowing $7k to hire a rando for another position...

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by _heimdall on Monday January 05, 2026 @07:28AM (#46498004)
Why do the laws exist if its better for (almost) everyone involved? Without the laws why would people not do it that way if its the better approach?
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by wafflemaker on Monday January 05, 2026 @10:52AM (#46500242)
Norway has very strict pro-workers laws in general, it's just one facet of them. One Norwegian explained it to me like that: in the late '60 when Norwegian oil industry started developing, workers realized that they can incur great losses on the companies if they organize/unionize and strike together. They used that as a leverage to both change their contracts (to include paid sick leave and such) and also get better working conditions (Norwegian platforms have both better safety and on platform to on land ratio).

And later other trades did the same. Some of the things in contracts trickled down to the law. But still some laws apply only to companies where at least a certain % (is it 50%?) are unionized.

The general picture is more or less like that, but please verify the details.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by abdullahkhalids on Monday January 05, 2026 @11:30AM (#46500832)
Many laws solve the problem of high initial cost dissuading globally good actions. Laws forcing everyone to buy insurance, for example. It's very easy to see that where such laws don't exist, almost no one buys insurance, making everyone worse off.

This is also an example of the same kind of law.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by _heimdall on Monday January 05, 2026 @06:17PM (#46506571)
Insurance is an interesting example, I would have expected one that causes more direct harm to others like drunk driving.

How are we all worse off when fewer people have insurance?

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by abdullahkhalids on Monday January 05, 2026 @11:26PM (#46508731)
Think of something like home owner insurance. Your insurance rates depend on exactly how your home is built, what type of heating system it has, where it is, etc. The rates, carefully calculated by actuaries, act as a signal to you as to how dangerous your house is to yourself, but also to others. If you set your house on fire due to negligence and cause the next house to burn, you might be liable for damages there as well.

Forcing everyone to buy such insurance forces everyone to fully pay for the expected cost of the danger inherent in their house. Over time, this causes houses to be constructed in a safer manner. If people are not forced to buy insurance, they don't buy it, and so this evolution over time does not happen. Also see [1].

Some financial tools are amazingly clever - whether they are morally good or bad. Bits about Money is a great blog to build insight into some of these constructions [2].

Another example for your initial question is car seats for kids. If you don't force em, nobody buys em. Then their kids die.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_hazard

[2] https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by _heimdall on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @10:10AM (#46513241)
For the insurance example, you're describing insurance as a forcing function for better made, safer buildings. That's what building codes are for though, we shouldn't need to have both and building codes are a more efficient and direct way of ensuring safe buildings.

For car seats, I'm not sure how we could know that people wouldn't buy them. I don't expect anyone would propose dropping the requirement to see how the market responds, and probably rightfully so. If car seats are much safer though (and I'm obviously not disputing that), people that can afford one would buy it anyway.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by abdullahkhalids on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @12:35PM (#46515526)
> ... building codes...

I agree that in an ideal world that would be sufficient. But in practice, governments rarely deploy trained actuarial to make decisions, rather relying on politics and shoddy studies. Government codes also change very slowly. Insurance companies (whether private or public), under the financial incentive, are constantly changing their policies and rates in response to new data and calculations. I would be open to looking at studies that resolve this question one way or another.

> ... car seats...

I grew up in a poor global south country. Rich people, who clearly can afford them, don't buy car seats. Many people who live in countries where they are forced to buy car seats, when they come back on vacation don't use car seats for their kids. People can be very irrational.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by _heimdall on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @03:28PM (#46518190)
I'd love to see this argument used to get rid of legal authority to create building codes. You make a great point, and you're effectively pointing to the fact that, at least for that specific problem, the market is much more efficient and solving the problem than government regulations.

The car seats one is tough. If you've seen first hand examples of people actively choosing to forgo car seats, I'm not sure if that's a problem governments should solve. Unless the state directly claims "ownership" as it were in the child, the parent is their legal guardian and if the parent makes a terrible choice they have to live with the repercussions. We don't regulate all decisions that can harm a child, that's a tough line to draw.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by koliber on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @01:03AM (#46509219)
Healthy young people are less likely to buy insurance than sick older people. But if only sick older people buy insurance the payouts per insured are going to be higher. That in turn causes high premiums. Insurance works if everyone buys in, pays while they are young and relatively healthy, and gets paid healthcare when they are older and sicker.

If you “game” it, it breaks the whole system.

Now some of you might be thinking “why should a young and healthy guy like myself subsidize the old sick people?” The answer is that you will also get old.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by _heimdall on Tuesday January 06, 2026 @10:06AM (#46513188)
What you are describing isn't really private insurance though, its a privately run socialized healthcare system. There's nothing wrong with that, it simply isn't insurance.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by koliber on Wednesday January 07, 2026 @03:33AM (#46523974)
You're right. However, all insurance needs to get more in premiums than it pays out in claims in order to be viable. The details will differ about whether there is some kind of bias for certain people to pay more and claim less. With socialized healthcare, the coverage is just much broader and there is less room for "gaming" the system.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by anilakar on Monday January 05, 2026 @04:08AM (#46496726)
Back in the day one company had a dedicated copier operator who was very unhappy after a Xerox service tech did away with the job by enabling the network printing and scan to email functions. The customer had upgraded their old copier out of necessity but had never changed their workflow.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by Cthulhu_ on Monday January 05, 2026 @05:31AM (#46497212)
This will not be unusual for any kind of software engineering work to be honest. A big chunk of work in B2C companies has to do with customer support, for example; building websites, apps, writing content, chatbots, etc with the objective being that people do not call customer support, because people on phones don't scale very well. And the other part is that when they do call, that the CS agent can address the issue quickly and has minimal administrative overhead.

But it's a weird one, because it costs millions to build features like that.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by tonyedgecombe on Monday January 05, 2026 @06:52AM (#46497718)
I had that on my very first project. I couldn’t understand why the people on site were so hostile to me. Afterwards I was talking to the salesman about this and he told me they were all fired when the project went live.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by agobineau on Monday January 05, 2026 @04:03AM (#46496680)
insane mindset. This kind of thing is why there is no industry left in anglosphere outside US
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by pbhjpbhj on Monday January 05, 2026 @04:48AM (#46496932)
Insane mindset that people should work modestly, get paid modestly and live in the fruits of a wealthy society? As opposed to breaking their backs to make a boss even wealthier?

The efficiencies are always to the benefit of the wealthy, the wage gap grows. You work hard, you still get fired.

Cap top wages to 5x the lowest, companies can't own housing except socially beneficial housing, individuals get 2 house maximum.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by zwnow on Monday January 05, 2026 @04:07AM (#46496711)
Yup same story here, also warehouse optimization. I was the reason the employees got new scanners and oh my... the scanners didn't have a physical keyboard. Now all the 50yo+ would have to aim on a touch display which is apparently impossible.

Also we had to introduce some fixed locations and storage placement recommendations. Our storage workers almost revolted. After a few months it settled though.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by pif on Monday January 05, 2026 @10:01AM (#46499533)
Yous story is not about optimization: it is about change imposed to people who did not request it, nor felt the need of it.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by zwnow on Monday January 05, 2026 @01:29PM (#46502651)
It 100% was about optimization. Introducing new devices, with more capabilities (storage place recommendations for example), that weren't 10 years old and broke every 2 weeks is optimizing.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by rahimnathwani on Monday January 05, 2026 @04:09AM (#46496734)

  The more efficient I made the technical part of the job, the more time they had to spend doing the manual labor part of the job to keep up.
Imagine you like writing code, and someone automates that part of the job so you have to spend more of your time reviewing PRs and writing specs...
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by lazylizard on Monday January 05, 2026 @04:20AM (#46496797)
efficiency is the enemy of employment, no?
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by regularfry on Monday January 05, 2026 @05:46AM (#46497323)
The amount of work expands to fill the available labour. All other things being equal, at least. Which they aren't, but it's a usefully wrong model.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by intended on Monday January 05, 2026 @07:17AM (#46497915)
There’s many praises to sing about efficiency, (and I don’t take your 1 liner as a position against it). That said, efficiency, job creation, and underemployment overlap quite a bit.

There’s far more scientists, programmers, and doctors today than farmers and stablehands.

At the same time, people who lost manufacturing jobs to automation and outsourcing, did not get jobs with equivalent pay and growth.

Human brains do not get retrained very easily, and so every technological revolution is a boon to those who grasp it, and a challenge for those who invested their time in skills no longer in demand.

Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by wbl on Monday January 05, 2026 @10:28AM (#46499891)
Nursing massively expanded but they didn't want to take it.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by psunavy03 on Monday January 05, 2026 @12:15PM (#46501599)
You can't expect factory workers to magically turn into nurses. Sure, people can learn new things, but human skillsets are not entirely fungible.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by einsteinx2 on Monday January 05, 2026 @06:40AM (#46497637)
I don’t even have to imagine it, you just described my job now that we have LLMs.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by sd9 on Monday January 05, 2026 @07:26AM (#46497992)
I believe that was the point
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by einsteinx2 on Monday January 05, 2026 @07:28AM (#46498005)
Reading it back now it does seem pretty obvious. That’s what I get for commenting right after waking up!
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by sd9 on Monday January 05, 2026 @07:28AM (#46498011)
All good, it's a Monday morning
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by SJMG on Monday January 05, 2026 @09:35AM (#46499189)
What a great comparison; I've never thought of it this way. It's obviously not perfect since the automation is so temperamental shall we say, but this does give me more empathy for the countless workers whose jobs have been re-natured by technology.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by isk517 on Monday January 05, 2026 @12:49PM (#46502089)
From their prospective, the efficiency increases and more gets done, but the hours and wage stay the same and the number of co-workers may decrease.
Re:Lessons from 14 Years at Google by pif on Monday January 05, 2026 @10:05AM (#46499587)