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Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by WirelessGigabit on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:11PM (#37835457)
This is wonderful.

I wish they did the same about modifications done to increase the noise.

I've got 2 people living nearby that both have straight-piped their car and I literally cover my ears when they pass by.

My Watch literally tells me that a noise peak happened when they drive by.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by wutwutwat on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:18PM (#37835528)
Your municipality likely has noise ordinances for anything above a certain decibel level. This can be handled by your local PD giving them tickets for their exhausts. I’ve seen it done before. If they keep getting tickets/fines they will likely change their exhausts. You can probably call the city about it but you can also call the cops. Just remember what they say about snitches.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by miguelazo on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:54PM (#37835972)
Most municipalities, especially ones relying on cops to enforce these rules, rarely take action on these complaints.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by Scoundreller on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:15PM (#37836207)
At least in Canadian cities, both bylaw officers and police can enforce these things. Bylaw officers tend to have less discretion on doing their job (and uhhh, fewer other crimes to claim to be busy with)

Though sometimes this double-responsibility just means finger-pointing instead of action.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by InitialLastName on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:32PM (#37836428)
I've never heard of bylaw officers being a thing in the US. There are some code enforcement people in the US, but they mostly deal in very specific areas (fire code, building code, etc).
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by Scoundreller on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:06PM (#37836795)
Don’t worry, you’re not missing out. Ours are ineffective/unwilling to enforce noise bylaws against vehicles anyway.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by miguelazo on Thursday October 12, 2023 @11:43AM (#37858786)
This is true. Although, there have been sporadic recent creations of community safety teams and units that deal specifically with the unhoused populations or mentally ill people, as a result of the Black Lives Matter movement.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by pc86 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:14PM (#37836200)
Who is going to enforce these rules other than cops?

I mean yeah if they never get complains about a given area and they get one call about a loud car driving they're not going to come in lights and sirens to search for them. But if they consistently get complaints it will absolutely guide their decision-making around where to patrol, how often, etc.

Of course this assumes that the political leadership in your municipality hasn't decided that cops don't need to enforce laws (rare outside of a few large cities) and they're not busier with much more serious crimes, underfunded and understaffed, and just not able to spend time on noise complaints (rare but a common talking point).

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by RajT88 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:07PM (#37836806)
These rules are usually used as probable cause to target someone the police officer was already targeting. "Profiling" is the better word for it maybe.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by wutwutwat on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:07PM (#37838294)
If I chop the muffler off my car and run around revving the hell out of my engine I’m not going to say I was targeted or profiled after I’m pulled over in the vehicle that’s calling out to nearby police to take notice of me, regardless of what I’m ticketed for in the end. The squeaky wheel gets the grease as they say. You don’t want to be “targeted” or “profiled” (which isn’t what that would be anyway), then you need to blend.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by genter on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:00PM (#37836049)
Don't waste your time. I've tried, my PD told me that I need to get used to the noise.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by grepfru_it on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:11PM (#37836159)
Let me translate for you:

Management (the courts) do not find it lucrative enough (political capital) to pursue weak cases (lax laws passed by the legislative branch).

In order to fix you must bring awareness in your local community to the problem (lax laws) and petition change (raise political capital). The courts and byproxy, enforcement, will follow. The larger the city, the more difficult this becomes.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by genter on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:30PM (#37836398)
No, I believe the officer I talked to didn't care and thought I was a pansy.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by bdcravens on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:32PM (#37836431)
Probably a gearhead showing his personal bias.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by genter on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:35PM (#37836455)
The really frustrating thing is I love cars. I love driving, I love shifting though the gears, I love working on them, I've replaced headgaskets, rebuilt transmissions, and regeared differentials. I just hate how obnoxious noisy vehicles are.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by bdcravens on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:47PM (#37836580)
For sure - I love speed myself. (Ironic that my fastest car ever is also the quietest, but EVs are a different creature). I guess not everyone has the same ethos that our personal enjoyment doesn't entitle us to encroach on others.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by lokar on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:49PM (#37836594)
This. More so for loud motorcycles, since cops tend to also own them.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by wutwutwat on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:34PM (#37837116)
This logic is absurd. Cops are hands off with bikers not because they own bikes. Extrapolating your logic one could say:

Cops don’t ticket cars because they also own a car

Cops don’t stop people with guns because they also own guns

Cops don’t go after bikers because they factor in if the offense is worth the risk, to both themselves and the public. There’s also a whole thing with outlaw motorcycle gangs that plays into it. Most non entry level bikes can out maneuver and outrun cop cars with ease, yes, even those slow looking Harley’s. Starting a chase over loud pipes would put a lot of innocent people at risk and for what? It isn’t worth it and it’s safe to say if the biker is running modified pipes they are not on an entry level bike.

Story: a buddy of mine had a gsxr 1000 and would purposely screw with cops on the freeway and as soon as they’d light up he’d be gone and doing 200mph within a few seconds, fitting between cars easily. Within 30-60 seconds a bike can be damn near a mile away from a cop car. Radioing ahead won’t help if you don’t know where they went and they were never running a plate to run… most cops know it’s pointless to chase and often immediately call it off. Public safety is more important. Those types of bikers have a way of making the issue go away all on their own eventually. You can’t temp fate that much and not eventually meet yours.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by sib on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:34PM (#37837889)
Grappling hook through the front wheel fixes that right away...
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by wutwutwat on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:48PM (#37838051)
So we should kill people for loud exhausts? What about the innocent bystander the bike turns into jelly when it is catapulted into the air and lands on them? That energy has to go somewhere…
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by pixl97 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:59PM (#37839331)
Ya know, part of the reason cops should enforce the laws on the books is to keep people from going all Batman when they get tired of lawlessness.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by wutwutwat on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @09:20PM (#37839869)
Yes because Americans all over are going vigilante and taking justice into their own hands. What world are you living in? The America I live in everyone is too chicken shit to handle things for themselves and when I get to that point I’m not thinking about grappling hooks and going after people with loud exhausts…
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by sib on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @12:19PM (#37846458)
Well, you're the one talking about a friend who takes many lives into his hands by doing this, so it's not about "loud exhausts." It's about someone who thinks so little of his own and others' lives that he'd be doing 200mph on a crowded public highway. Pretty much the definition os "reckless indifference to human life."

>> Story: a buddy of mine had a gsxr 1000 and would purposely screw with cops on the freeway and as soon as they’d light up he’d be gone and doing 200mph within a few seconds, fitting between cars easily. Within 30-60 seconds a bike can be damn near a mile away from a cop car. Radioing ahead won’t help if you don’t know where they went and they were never running a plate to run… most cops know it’s pointless to chase and often immediately call it off.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by I_Am_Nous on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:39PM (#37837947)
>doing 200mph within a few seconds

It's still kind of amazing to me that race-tuned liter bikes are even legal in the US. Even a starter 250 likely has a faster 0-60 than most cars on the road. I believe you need a little extra power to spare when riding, so that you can suddenly speed up if you need to, but not so much extra power that a quarter-turn on the throttle gets you from 70 to 100 MPH in 1 second.

I've heard big bikes described as "ride to survive" because even a small mistake can be fatal when you are dealing with that much performance. Full disclosure, I ride a big, fat Kawasaki touring bike (1993 ZG1200, right about 760 pounds wet) and while the engine is big, it's geared to a max of 113 MPH. It's big enough I have to respect it when riding, but powerful enough that if I need to I can spur it a bit :)

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by wutwutwat on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @09:30PM (#37839936)
I’ve had a Honda cbr and I’ve been into modified tuner cars my whole life. I have much more experience going fast in cars than on bikes. Everything becomes much bigger at higher speeds. You learn pretty quickly that when you’re doing 150 you don’t make jerky movements with the steering wheel. Tiny, tiny, fluid movements are amplified to become more. You need to anticipate understeer and be able to feel when the ass end is getting squirrelly or is breaking loose. You learn to use the engine compression as a brake assist when trying to slow that mass by 80mph in a 100 foot span. I’m guilty of doing obnoxious and deadly things on the highway in my various drift cars over the years and that’s more than enough for me. I had my bike up to 120 when I owned it and decides squiding out wasn’t something I wanted to risk. The shit I do in cars is more than enough to get the devil looking my way.

Interestingly enough I passed a cop on the highway doing 150 once. He was merging on from the on ramp. I stayed in it thinking I was fucked anyway but to my surprise he took the very next exit and got right back off the highway. There’s no way he didn’t notice me blow past him. The only thing I can think of is he got a priority call or he saw my speed and said fuck this my shift is about over and noped on out of running me down.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by alexfoo on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:44PM (#37838013)
> Story: a buddy of mine had a gsxr 1000 and would purposely screw with cops on the freeway ... You can’t temp fate that much and not eventually meet yours.

An idiot friend used to do similar (in the UK), then one day he did it and the Police turned up at his house 1 minute after he had stopped and put his bike away. He'd gotten away with it loads of times but this time he did it with a Police helicopter in the air less than a mile away and easily able to track a bike all the way back to his house. A top sports bike may be able to do 200mph but not everywhere, and helicopters are fast, can see for miles with very good tracking cameras, and can fly in straight lines.

They then used all of the footage from the Police cars of previous incidents to tie them all to him (similar clothing, similar bespoke exhaust, etc). I think he got 8 years in prison with all of the totting up that went on (and previous offences taken into account).

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by pests on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @09:42PM (#37840005)
Then you have the video of the challenger hellcat outrunning a helicopter...

https://youtu.be/W9eLpH513po?si=e2vfe_ntQSkduewW

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by defrost on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @09:59PM (#37840092)
Interesting link, that said:

A video that opens from a news helicopter and a reporter stating "we've been tracking him for ten minutes" that continues to track for another 3 or four minutes.

The police helicopter pulls off towards the end for lack of fuel .. and the news helicopter says that they are having trouble keeping up (despite having done so for at least 13 minutes).

I'm going to guess this is more a resources ran out thing than a car outran helicopter thing.

( FWiW "The speed of a police helicopter can vary depending on the make and model. However, most police helicopters have a top speed of around 130-145 miles per hour (209-233 kilometers per hour)."

The car was peaking at 110 mph, the helicopters may have been hitting headwinds, even so the statement was explicit that police helicopter had low fuel. )

The police rig was probably easily keeping up - but was low on fuel, the news helicopter likely had less grunt and|or started to exceed budget burn rate | run low on fuel itself.

The follow through on that wasn't given but there's a fair chance the car was tracked down - being distinctive and the police capturing the plates.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by pests on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @11:09PM (#37840455)
I agree with your analysis but they do state they are using a powerful lens to even get that footage and then further on....

3:20ish "We're having trouble keeping up with this guy"

3:30 "We are currently going 120MPG and he is losing us. We're at the maximum speed right now." [news anchor after speaking to pilot]

3:50 "This is the first time the vehicle has outrun the chopper" [studio host?]

So I think you are correct in the 130-145 MPH max speed and them just hitting 120 due to wind or hardware.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by dumbfounder on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:57PM (#37836687)
I am in favor of louder pipes for motorcycles for safety reasons. But there is such a thing as too loud.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by rando_dfad on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:14PM (#37836874)
not sure the safety argument has factual support; the sound would need to project forward from the motorcycle, wouldn't it?
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by fsckboy on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:42PM (#37837209)
hmmm, if I have to hear the noise, I would like a requirement that it blare forward! (so I can step into the crosswalk)
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by mikestew on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:39PM (#37837177)
If noise made your bike safer, you’d get an insurance discount. People say such things so that they don’t come off as sociopathic, not because it is true. Don’t parrot them.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by genter on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:05PM (#37836778)
So should every pedestrian have a blazing siren on their head?
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by charcircuit on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:57PM (#37838169)
Pedestrians should not be on the road.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by freeone3000 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:30PM (#37839117)
No, cars should not be on the road.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by charcircuit on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:03PM (#37839361)
Roads were built for cars.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by rrix2 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @11:18PM (#37840505)
That's not actually the case in many places in the US, they were forcibly taken for cars in the same way electric streetcar systems were taken from us:

> Before the American city could be physically reconstructed to accommodate automobiles, its streets had to be socially reconstructed as places where cars belong [..] Until then, streets were regarded as public spaces, where practices that endangered or obstructed others (including pedestrians) were disreputable. Motorists’ claim to street space was therefore fragile, subject to restrictions that threatened to negate the advantages of car ownership.

https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262516129/fighting-traffic/

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by charcircuit on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @11:41PM (#37840619)
Coming up with a fact that roads existed in the ancient times is not a gotcha. Most of the roads today did not exist back then. 99% of the roads I have driven on did not exist before cars.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by genter on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:44PM (#37839218)
Crosswalks
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by charcircuit on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:04PM (#37839365)
Crossing the road is different from what is being discussed which is riding along side cars.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by rrix2 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:01PM (#37836742)
safer for whom? My windows only rattle after the motorcycle has driven past, they don't project the noise ahead of you nearly as much as you think they do.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by dumbfounder on Thursday October 12, 2023 @05:53PM (#37863676)
If you are riding on the highway going the same speed as other cars, it is often hard for them to see you, but if they can hear you they know you are there. It isn’t about driving past.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by BobaFloutist on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:28PM (#37839547)
Which is the same reason every biker with loud pipes wears a full high-vis outfit.

Or maybe they're just assholes.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by dumbfounder on Thursday October 12, 2023 @05:57PM (#37863705)
Most of them are assholes, but that doesn’t mean it’s not safer to be louder.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by alexfoo on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:37PM (#37837930)
It's just the odd love of the Harley or similar.

I got pulled over for noise (in the UK) as my ZX6-R had a hole in the downpipes and it was obviously a bit too noisy. I was trying my best to keep the noise down and (genuinely, provably) on my way to drop the bike off to have it repaired.

The Cop that pulled me over was happy to chat about it when I explained that it was on its way to get fixed he let me off.

Then a Harley that was twice as loud went past and the cop says "Cor, doesn't that sound lovely!" I asked him if he was going to pull it over for being louder than mine and he suddenly got very grumpy with me again. I didn't push any further as I didn't want to end up with a fine.

What's the old line?

"Harley's are probably the most efficient machine to turn gasoline into noise without that pesky by-product of horsepower."

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by pseg134 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:04PM (#37838249)
To be fair to that cop I think you were too. Did you try solving the problem for yourself first?
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by genter on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:28PM (#37838537)
Being woken up 1:00 in the morning multiple times a week by the walls of my house shaking from my neighbors vehicles makes me a pansy?

But I did talk to them. Turns out he lives with his mom, and she just bitched me out.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by grepfru_it on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @10:46PM (#37852947)
Ergo he has no incentive to target certain laws. Nothing I said was incorrect
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by plagiarist on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:31PM (#37836415)
I have never heard of a municipality actually enforcing their sound regulations other than live performances being shut down.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by lokar on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:50PM (#37836606)
Laguna beach is pretty strict on out of towners with loud pipes
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by wutwutwat on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:17PM (#37836902)
Grow up with alcoholic parent who loves to max out their high wattage sound system at 3am all the time and you’ll see it enforced often. Most house parties are shutdown due to noise complaints.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by CobaltFire on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:23PM (#37836976)
Coronado Island (San Diego) loves giving tickets to all the Navy personnel driving through with too loud of vehicles. We try to warn people transferring there but many don't listen and end up with tickets.

To be fair (to those who think that's excessive), they also (on two occasions) chased down and cited/arrested people who tried to run me off the road on my bicycle there (commuted via bicycle for years), and I've had many other great interactions with them.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by tbyehl on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:50PM (#37837285)
Where I grew up, an automotive noise citation was easy to beat in court because the law incorporated a complicated and exacting standard for measurement.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by wutwutwat on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:02PM (#37838218)
Most citations can get off on technicalities but that involves missing work, appearing in court, mounting a defense, and the gamble of owing the fine + additional court costs if you lose, and they probably, literally, bank on the probability that most people just pay the fine. Speeding tickets can be thrown out if the radar wasn’t recently calibrated, just have to ask about it in court. Window tint is the same deal, when was it last calibrated and documented to be within spec? Etc.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by kjkjadksj on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @02:14PM (#37835489)
Not to mention good old fashioned overpowered unfocused led lighting. Its been a meme with the truck bros for years, but now these products have entered the general lighting supply. Now your landlord replaces the garage light with one thats brighter than the sun and shines into your bedroom. You will end up like Kramer in the chicken roaster episode of Seinfeld.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by plagiarist on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:29PM (#37836390)
It is somehow every single vehicle on the road with these. People should lose their license for operating a vehicle with the blinding LEDs tilted up higher than highbeams would be. It is unsafe that approaching drivers cannot see past them as they drive by.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by kraquepype on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:07PM (#37836805)
Ugh yeah. It's that time of year where it gets dark early and I get blinded on the way home from work by all the bro-dozer truck lights and intense LEDs.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by rad_gruchalski on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:16PM (#37839464)
I get blinded by morons who have no idea that a normal H light bulb can be installed „the other way around”. So it points upwards.

And teslas but only when they drive behind. For whatever reason tesla lights blind when seen in the mirror.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by rumblerock on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:10PM (#37838342)
I've been looking into transparent windshield films to reduce glare for this reason.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by RC_ITR on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:43PM (#37836543)
Say what you will about over-engineering, but the Germans got it so so so right with their metal full black out shades.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by userabchn on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:53PM (#37836637)
But unfortunately it is the type of thing that, although obviously a superior solution, is unlikely to be adopted in the rest of the world. Where I live, as, I think, in most places, people would think you were very strange if you put those kinds of metal shutters on your windows, and I can even imagine neighbours being displeased with you as it makes it look like it is a bad neighbourhood.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by slaymaker1907 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:10PM (#37836838)
I'd prefer to just have less outdoor light since blocking out all outdoor light also blocks out sunlight which can mess up your circadian rhythms.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by jrwoodruff on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:54PM (#37836658)
I'm unfamiliar with this, but I'd love some well-done black out shades - got a link or a brand?
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by progman32 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:55PM (#37837312)
Very common in Italy as well - search Images or Youtube for "finestra tapparelle" for an idea. The sound of tapparelle is super ingrained in many european minds, i.e. https://italybeyondtheobvious.com/taparelle/

They are also good for deflecting debris :)

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by m4jor on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:55PM (#37839721)
In Germany they are called rolladens.

The best thing ever!

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by extraduder_ire on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:19PM (#37836927)
A friend of mine bought a hyundai i20, and the LED lights in it aren't aimed low enough, either by manufacturing error or design, and even when dipped they shine at oncoming drivers. No idea if this is common, or if he can get them adjusted anywhere.

Can't tell you the amount of times I've seen people in the other lane flash their highbeams at him while I've been riding in the passenger seat, because they think he's doing the same.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by brianwawok on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:20PM (#37836945)
It's 100% adjustable by user. Very likely when replacing them they got bumped? The classic way is you go in a garage or against a wall and shine them, and measure to ensure the horizontal line is going down towards the ground (vs going up and blinding everyone). Not only is it nicer for oncoming traffic, they actually work a lot better...
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by sokoloff on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:26PM (#37837006)
I typical set the high beams on and aim those straight ahead.

That gives max range for high beams and the low beam down and right (for right drive countries) is then also very close to optimal.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by brianwawok on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:38PM (#37837158)
Yah. If you are being flashed it's likely at least 1 degree upward, which is not helping a driver see the road.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by sidewndr46 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:17PM (#37836242)
You would need to stop the sale of exhaust tubing to prevent this. I don't think that is realistic
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:32PM (#37836430)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30364669 ("New York is using cameras with microphones to ticket loud cars")
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by akudlacek on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:04PM (#37836770)
exactly
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by sschueller on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:19PM (#37836262)
Call the police on them. It's illegal almost everywhere.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by MisterTea on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:21PM (#37836286)
I wish it were simply just strait pipes. The biggest buffoons are the ones running "pops and bang" tune where the clown car's engine dumps fuel into the exhaust to make it pop, bang and gurgle. Makes the car sound like shit but these mental midgets think it makes their already ugly slammed trashcar somehow sound cool. The kinds of people who do this usually have very little going on upstairs.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by I_Am_Nous on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:55PM (#37838141)
My dad bought a truck with aftermarket headers installed and dual aftermarket glasspack mufflers. If you were going down a hill and let off the throttle, it would "popcorn" like you described, but not obnoxiously. It was loud when you accelerate quickly, though. Scared a horse once when he pushed the clutch in and revved the engine.

I'd personally rather have a fast, but quiet vehicle. Most vehicles people make loud don't really have enough displacement to warrant that much sound so it's usually loud AND slow lol

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by winrid on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @10:11PM (#37840132)
That was also probably due to having a carburetor which won't completely stop putting fuel into the engine on decel like EFI.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by I_Am_Nous on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @11:19AM (#37845589)
I looked it up and the 1987-1991 Ford F series trucks came with some carbureted trucks and some EFI trucks, so it definitely could have been a carb helping too :)
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by winrid on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @01:42PM (#37847725)
old TBI-based EFI might not have stopped dumping fuel in decel either, haha.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by bluedino on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:38PM (#37839168)
https://youtube.com/shorts/m2_bfeGOzvg?si=2pjk2hD8W6Y_CKXK

This kind of thing for people who were wondering

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by alistairSH on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:48PM (#37839238)
You can (indirectly) blame World Rally for this. Those car started doing this 15 or so years ago - the engineers found that dumping raw fuel directly into the turbo (IIRC, they had a 5th injector in the exhaust manifold) kept it spooled up during shifts and throttle lifts.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by nikau on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @07:51AM (#37843317)
injector antilag systems were around in the 80s, they are very hard on the turbos and manifolds however.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by alistairSH on Wednesday October 11, 2023 @09:56AM (#37844453)
Yeah, I was thinking that the guys who are adding "anti-lag" to their street cars probably first encountered it watching WRC. Or maybe touring cars.

What's crazy to me is I hear it on cars that aren't even turbo - they're just running super rich with no muffler/resonator, so it pops/burbles more than normal. Can't be good for the car (the catalyst in particular, assuming they've bothered to keep it).

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by nikau on Thursday October 12, 2023 @06:11AM (#37855309)
yeah the stupid "crackle pop" tunes are just deliberately running rich.

There's also "DSG farts" which actually have a performance benefit, but sound truly awful with aftermarket exhaust systems.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by ChuckMcM on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:53PM (#37836639)
If you seriously want to take action here, then do this;

1) Look up your city ordinances on sound, there should be copies of this is the reference section of your city's public library. Identify the ordinance and paragraph that the people nearby are violating. Record/video one or more violations on your phone.

2) Call the police, don't "complain about the noise", tell them you want to "swear out a complaint" for violating ordinance x, paragraph y. They are obligated to take your complaint and forward it to the District Attorney[1].

3) You will probably be called as a witness if the folks with the noisy cars choose a trial.

[1] When a police officer hears a complaint, they can "investigate", and then "cite" the offender. It is up to the officer's discretion. That citation is the sworn complaint from the officer of the offending behavior. When the police refuse to do their job, everyone has the right to "step in" to that role and swear out a complaint. The downside is that retaliating against an officer is 'scary' but retaliating against a neighbor isn't. This can result in a variety of negative externalities that may be criminal but hard to prove (car getting 'keyed', tires slashed, rocks thrown through windows, feces on your porch, Etc.)

Because taking on the job of enforcement when the cops let you down incurs significant personal risk, I usually suggest people make an appointment with their representative on the city's governing body, city manager, or district attorney and encourage them to actually do their job. Editorials in the local paper are good to, but projecting soft power as a voter in that way is less likely to blow back directly on you. I can also take longer and be less successful but sending emails to the DA with repeat infractions over and over can often convince them of the need for enforcement.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by notyourwork on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @03:55PM (#37836665)
> 2) Call the police, don't "complain about the noise", tell them you want to "swear out a complaint" for violating ordinance x, paragraph y. They are obligated to take your complaint and forward it to the District Attorney[1].

Good luck getting them to pick up. At least where I live (Seattle), I don't think its possible to get someone on the phone unless you call 911. Daytime phones automated system defers everything to online.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by Pseudocrat on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:01PM (#37836740)
Actually faster here to dial the non-emergency. I once called 911 because a 7 year old child approached me at a gas station asking for money. I was put on hold. When I called the non-emergency I got through right away. The cherry on top was when I received a callback from 911 dispatch over an hour later to check if I was okay.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by altec3 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:07PM (#37836809)
I lived in Portland for years - and it's the same. Even if you did get someone on the phone, I doubt anything would happen. There's tons of cars without plates, mufflers, windshields, etc. driving around that the police don't care about.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by brianwawok on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:19PM (#37836933)
Another upside to living in the flyover states I guess? I can get multiple people up to the mayor on the line.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by no_wizard on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @07:15PM (#37838980)
I fear Oregon may become a flyover state. I was at a local meetup (though admittedly, all tech centric) in Portland and there was consistent joking about how Oregon is what you see when you're traveling between Seattle and California or California and Seattle.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by RajT88 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:04PM (#37836769)
City council meetings are for this. They typically have a citizen comments section at the end of the meeting.

Where I live, these citizen comments are beloved by wingnuts who hate their neighbors and are trying to convince the city to harass them. So - you know - try not to come off as one of those.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by ChuckMcM on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:21PM (#37839495)
Agreed, per my comment the 1:1 meeting with your representative works well too. I don't know how common it is but I have found my city council member always willing to sit down for 5 - 20 minutes to hear what I have to say. Want to emphasize again though about doing a bit of research at the library about just what ordinances are involved and how to identify them for law enforcement to use. This helps your rep appear to be smart and well informed when they go to the police chief or city manager to ask them to "can you do something about this?" kind of request.

That saves waiting for your turn at the podium in the meeting and it avoids the wingnuts labeling you as the person "out to get them." Both are good things IMHO.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by liquidpele on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:21PM (#37839499)
For good reason, have you SEEN how crazy most of the public that would be calling is?
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by DiggyJohnson on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:59PM (#37839744)
Are you unfamiliar with “non-emergency” lines? I’ve made considerably more (obviously still not a large number) of calls to the non-emergency number than 911. Most recently when my car was towed but the two company hadn’t updated their database quickly enough, for example.

I thought that being able to connect to a live human operator / police dispatcher outside of 911 was ubiquitous in America.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by DiggyJohnson on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:55PM (#37839718)
As someone who has lived in a variety of south-east US cities, the idea that nobody picks up on the non-emergency police line is bananas to me. Is this really true?
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by pseg134 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @05:40PM (#37837971)
I’m sure this has worked but I have gotten the same result by writing fix your exhaust on a piece of paper and tying it to a brick and throwing it through their back windshield. Some times two wrongs make a right.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by westmeal on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @06:43PM (#37838688)
Not really you're just an asshole.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by pseg134 on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:00PM (#37839343)
Sure, but so is the guy with the loud car. What business of it is yours what two assholes do to each other?
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by ChuckMcM on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:16PM (#37839470)
All about your risk tolerance right? Some places the driver will start shooting at you at that point.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by akudlacek on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:02PM (#37836752)
This will do nothing to stop people from removing their mufflers.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by deepsun on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @04:41PM (#37837202)
Are there any legislative initiatives to ban loud motorcycles (like they did in some EU countries)? I'd really want to vote for it.

US is all about freedom, and concern for neighbors is a necessary prerequisite to practicing freedom.

PS: I ride a motorcycle as well, there's no problem making it reasonably quiet.

Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by benced on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @08:55PM (#37839725)
For noise, that should be local police enforcing it. Unfortunately, American local police are somewhere between neo-Nazis and actively useless.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by DiggyJohnson on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @09:05PM (#37839791)
This is a caricature in all but a handful of American municipalities.
Re:US Sues eBay for Allowing Sale of More Than 300k Emission... by otteromkram on Tuesday October 10, 2023 @11:12PM (#37840472)
You could try phoning the police about the issie. Be sure to record the call log.

Then, review your town's ordinances and see if there's anything about passenger vehicles requiring properly maintained and baffled exhaust system.

Then, write to your city coun, mayor, and police chief (all in one email) asking why this ordinance isn't enforced? Can it be struck from the ordinances if it will never be enforced?

Finally, ask them whether or not citizens should be able to enforce the code or ordinances amid willful police negligence to do so? If not, why not? If not, csn they add "City X does not issue tickets to noisy vehicles" to their marketing material.

Ask if you have fewer rights than someone who knowingly bought or modified a vehicle to disturb tens or hundreds of people all around them at any given moment during the day without recourse?

Ask them to provide at least two good points on why a passenger vehicle should be allowed to have a noisy exhaust system.

If they can't provide a solid solution, then ask them all to step down.

(I'm on your side, btw. Not sure if that was clear from my post.)