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Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by photochemsyn on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:12PM (#34467923)
One real danger of putting all historical video media on streaming sites is that it makes it far too easy to introduce an Orwellian Ministry of Truth that is empowered to rewrite the past to make it conform to today's acceptable social norms, academic ideologies, government agendas and so on.

For example, one could make the argument that Alfred Hitchcock's entire library promotes negative stereotypes of women - and it's true, women in Hitchcock films are not the strong types, they're more often helpless victims who have to be rescued by male characters. This clearly, one could say, promotes negative female stereotypes which are damaging to young women so all those movies should be removed from streaming services.

One could continue in this manner, selectively pulling anime movies because they promote excessive violence and sexuality to a teenage audience, or war movies like Apocalypse Now and Dr Strangelove that portray military generals as clueless maniacs, or if the pendulum swings back to the social conservative end, pulling all horror movies that don't portray Christianity in a positive light or have too many Satanic themes, and on and on.

Keeping hard copies in your personal possession is one way around this, but since the copyrights and hence distribution rights are held by these conglomerates that don't want to get in trouble with some political group or other by making them available, nobody else can view them without going through pirate sites - a very unfortunate situation.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by eggy on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:19PM (#34467996)
Sort of like the anniversary edition of ET where Spielberg replaced the guns with walkie talkies, and other digital edits. Ironically he was criticized for too much smoking in the West Side Story remake. And sometimes a film I want is nowhere to be found, even a mainstream, older hit. I keep a few boxes of DVDs to make sure I can show them to the people stuck in the Matrix in the future!
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by 56friends on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:33PM (#34468168)
This fact always reminds me of that funny video cut of Stallone where his machine gun is edited out so it looks like he is thumbs up-ing relentlessly.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by cgh on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:47PM (#34469004)
The lack of smoking is something to ponder. It's always so glaring to me when TV shows that take place in the '80s and '90s show almost no one smoking, when in fact if you went into any public place, probably 30-50% (or more, if it's eg a pub) would be smoking, including in people's homes, offices and so forth. I wonder if the huge and realistic amounts of smoking seen in shows like Mad Men will be edited out one day.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by nhtsamera on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:29PM (#34469453)
Rail travel is one of the last places that you still see this in the US.

I took a cross-country Amtrak trip right before the pandemic, and most of the conductor's announcements were just to tell us when the next smoke break would be.

When the train got stuck waiting for cross traffic at a freight yard in rural North Dakota, an incipient passenger mutiny forced them to break the rules and let everyone pop out for some light trespassing and nicotine consumption.

It felt strange in a similar, but opposite way to what you're describing.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by cgh on Saturday January 21, 2023 @08:08PM (#34472925)
It’s close but not quite. If it were truly ‘80s, there would be no need for stops because everyone would be smoking in the train. Probably the worst example of this was when I travelled through Turkey in the ‘90s, mostly by bus and train. The air was so thick you could cut it with a knife.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by eggy on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:11PM (#34469264)
I grew up when there was a smoking section on the plane (BTW, why do modern aircraft still have ashtrays? Are there any airlines that allow smoking?). I miss All in the Family. Is it even available anymore?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by 542458 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:19PM (#34469352)
The ashtray is actually mandatory even in new planes per FAA rules.

Modern aircraft still have ashtrays in the washrooms because they’d much prefer that somebody choosing to sneak a smoke puts their cigarette somewhere other than the washroom trash bin where there’s a history of them starting fires.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by eggy on Sunday January 22, 2023 @10:04AM (#34478004)
The ashtray in the washrooms makes sense, but I was just on a newer plane with ashtrays at each passenger seat armrest. It was Saudia.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by zeroonetwothree on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:48PM (#34469633)
Growing up in CA in the 90s I didn't see that much smoking. It was even banned in 1998, which means probably it wasn't that popular by then.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by js8 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:23PM (#34468040)
You don't have public libraries in the U.S.? In my country, it's government-mandated job of public libraries to collect historical media.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by rolenthedeep on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:42PM (#34468260)
Our public libraries are underfunded and used as a punching bag by conservatives. Libraries have very limited shelf space and must constantly prune items from the collection. If a movie isn't checked out for a few months, it gets sold for like 50 cents and replaced with whatever is currently in demand.

Most public libraries don't have the resources to archive materials. That's mostly down to academic and specialist libraries, and the library of congress.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by yucky on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:28PM (#34468784)
The US has by far the largest public library system in the world, and it's not close. So by what metric would you consider it underfunded?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by cnelsenmilt on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:49PM (#34469023)
What measure are you using for "largest"? The US is 3rd in the world by population and 1st by GDP, so in absolute terms it's to be expected that they would be "large" in many categories, simply by having more people and money. (And then there's geographical extent.) The relative (per capita, perhaps) measure is more salient.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by yucky on Saturday January 21, 2023 @07:08PM (#34472442)
Based on books in circulation (overall and per capita). Also for anybody who isn't familiar with interlibrary loans, check it out. In the US you can get access to almost any book around the country sent to your local library. The system is amazing.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by mynameisnull on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:51PM (#34469048)
If you mean the library of Congress sure. If you mean the most libraries not based on a quick google (https://www.quora.com/Which-country-in-the-world-has-the-mos...). But I guess it depends on what you mean. I am genuinely curious as there are several ways of looking at this.

Also, the person above could have been talking about compared to days past. I can tell you the libraries I had access to when and where I grew are less funded (many closed), but again depends on where and what you’re comparing against.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by divided on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:08PM (#34469228)
Comparing size without considering population will only lead to bad conclusions. Could you imagine someone claiming cancer deaths in Germany aren’t a problem because it doesn’t have near as many deaths as the US, it’s not even close? Sounds silly, right?

The US is reportedly 62nd in the world in libraries per capita. [1] Given the US has more wealth per capita than most of the world as well, I think claiming we underfund our public library system is fairly obvious.

[1] https://onlinegrad.syracuse.edu/blog/best-countries-book-lov...

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by Kamq on Saturday January 21, 2023 @07:04PM (#34472409)
> Given the US has more wealth per capita than most of the world as well, I think claiming we underfund our public library system is fairly obvious.

This is only the case if you think the proper level of funding is a function of population size or wealth instead of whatever is required to obtain sufficient results. If you're looking for results, it seems the proper level of funding would actually scale with population density (sparser areas require higher funding per capita to provide the same access).

I think you can make a case for that sort of model, but I don't think it's "fairly obvious".

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by yucky on Saturday January 21, 2023 @07:09PM (#34472455)
Mentioned elsewhere, but books in circulation (overall and per capita). Also, in the US you can get almost any book from elsewhere sent to your local library at no charge.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by convolvatron on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:59PM (#34468478)
does LOC archive content that was never put on a physical format?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by rolenthedeep on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:21PM (#34468718)
Yes. I don't know a whole lot about their system, but I do know they tried to keep an archive of all public Twitter posts for a long time
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by chimeracoder on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:46PM (#34468989)
> I do know they tried to keep an archive of all public Twitter posts for a long time

That was the result of a specific deal Twitter made early on (itself a marketing stunt, of sorts). It doesn't mean the Library of Congress is generally in the business of archiving DRM-ed media on streaming services.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by Kon-Peki on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:45PM (#34468974)
That’s sad, where do you live?

I’m in Illinois; under state law libraries exist as independent taxing bodies - the only way to underfund or otherwise interfere with them is at the ballot box, and it would take years of concerted effort by at least 60% of the local population (indicating that this is really what they want).

I have some family in Indiana; their libraries are funded and controlled at the county level to maximize what they can do cost-wise and to ensure that rural farmers also have access to all the resources. That structure also makes it much harder for goofballs to interfere.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by xeromal on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:36PM (#34468191)
We do have that. It's the library of congress that ensures the safety of culturally important media in the US.

And of course we have public libraries with all kinds of good media.

I don't think the comment your replying to is even talking about public libraries. I believe they're saying if society determines a person is cancelled and it's on a streaming service, it can instantly disappear from most streaming media.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by wyre on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:31PM (#34468818)
I don’t think it’s about individuals getting canceled. It’s about how the streaming service has carte blanche power to decide the material on the service, regardless of what society wants.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by js8 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:21PM (#34469369)
My point was this. Maybe they have that carte blanche power. Isn't a good public library system (where the work is also accessible) a good enough counterweight to that power?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by lrvick on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:31PM (#34470157)
An original streaming-only movie or tv show will never be on a DVD at a library. I would say it is almost an -service- to society to continue to torrent content that has been edited or purged by major platforms.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by franga2000 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @06:33PM (#34472048)
This is something that could and should be fixed with legislation
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by jimbob45 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:16PM (#34467958)
https://medium.com/everything-80s/why-are-streaming-services...

They already do this frequently. 4chan has been tracking it for ages now.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by snickerbockers on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:19PM (#34468001)
Netflix actually removed a segment from an early 90s bill Nye episode because it said there are two genders.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by neuronic on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:46PM (#34468302)
This seems weird. No one disagrees that there are 2 biological (genetic) genders. Gender identity is something entirely else that is being actively researched.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6677266/

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by Godel_unicode on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:05PM (#34468542)
This is incorrect. According to NIH there is no such thing as “biological (genetic) gender”. You’re thinking of biological sex.

https://orwh.od.nih.gov/sex-gender

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by WastingMyTime89 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:39PM (#34468906)
To be fair with the commenter you are replying to and as someone who absolutely don’t care about your silly American cultural issues, this use the word gender by sociology is a modern one which redefines its meaning. Historically the word is indeed strictly synonymous with sex.

I still believe that the insistence on erasing previous meanings rather than just using new words is 90% of why the USA is such a cultural cesspit and any kind of discussion turns into a battle but that’s only me.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by schroeding on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:48PM (#34469013)
In many languages, like German (which may be GPs native language), those two things share the same exact word, requiring modifier words like "biological" to differentiate between the two, making everything a bit confusing when crossing the language barrier.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by neuronic on Sunday January 22, 2023 @06:02AM (#34476194)
You're right, apologies for the mistake.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by pcthrowaway on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:42PM (#34469586)
Even that's not really cut-and-dry. I don't normally like linking to twitter, but this thread is amazing (scientific) content: https://twitter.com/rebeccarhelm/status/1207834357639139328?...
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by fullmoon on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:53PM (#34469691)
It appears that way, but skirts around the gametic model of discerning biological sex that is the golden standard for other species, while elevating the status of chromosomal defects.

It’s a good example how selective presentation of scientific realities can be abused to mislead.

Chromosomal defects in a binary system don’t constitute a new or between-state, and it also isn’t commonly described that way: XXY (Kleinfeltner) affecting males is the mainstream position.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by Godel_unicode on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:52PM (#34469673)
Totally agree, I was responding to the twin assertions that gender is based in genetics and that there only being two is widely accepted.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by arockwell on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:06PM (#34468560)
It really isn’t quite that simple. There are Intersex people who have ambiguous genitalia and there are several viable chromosome combos besides XX and XY.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by fullmoon on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:40PM (#34468908)
In sexually dimorphic mammalian species sex is most commonly by the ability to produce either the small or big gametes, not chromosomes.

In humans syndromes that lead to ambiguous (“intersex”) presentation and/or chromosomes are still operating in a binary system, eh Klinefelter affects boys.

The same is true for (very) rare hermaphroditism: in this case both gametes could in theory be produced, in practice though individuals are sterile.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by yucky on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:29PM (#34468805)
Those are birth defects though. For instance, we still understand humans as being bipedal despite anomalies that prevent a tiny fraction of humans from being bipedal.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by inetknght on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:35PM (#34468858)
`XXY` is a valid combination of sex chromosomes. The person has two `X` chromosomes so is female. The person also has one `Y` chromosome so is male. Which sex is the person? Is it a birth defect?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by evandale on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:42PM (#34468937)
XXY is Klinefelter syndrome. By definition it's a condition where boys and men are born with an extra X chromosome. Their sex is male because, also by definition, the presence of a Y chromosome means male.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by fullmoon on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:15PM (#34469306)
The term “birth defect” fell out of use because of its stigmatizing word construction.

Chromosomal abnormalities would be the modern term, it applies to both sexual as well as other chromosomal abnormalities like Down.

But to answer the question as asked: Yes, it fulfills the definition of the older term.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by yucky on Saturday January 21, 2023 @07:02PM (#34472392)

  > Is it a birth defect?
Yes.
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Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by shrimp_emoji on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:16PM (#34468663)
Stop what?

Using accurate information? Not ignoring the complexities of the world?

That comment is absolutely correct; to make things more confusing, people whose sex appears female can turn out to have XY allosomes in some, or all[0], of their cells.

0: https://www.invitra.com/en/morris-syndrome/

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by fullmoon on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:52PM (#34469067)
As the article you’ve linked states this syndrome affects males, makes them resistant to androgens, so they have an appearance of females.

It doesn’t state anywhere that the patients are either female or belong to a novel category.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by evandale on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:56PM (#34469104)
From your own link Morris syndrome affects males. In fact, the presence of a Y chromosome by definition means the person is of male sex and it really is as simple as that. One's appearance has no effect on their sex.
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Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by chownie on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:12PM (#34468615)
This is a pretty disingenuous take isn't it? Dylan Mulvaney carries tampons as a service to others who might need them because she was once asked for one in a bathroom.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by LawTalkingGuy on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:19PM (#34468685)
No, because while Dylan sometimes says that, the rest of the time they talk about the miraculous changes to their body, etc, and participate in female sexual health panels. They're trying to have it both ways as convenient.

If you feel that this is incorrect, go to Wiki and try to edit Rachel Levine's entry to remove the word female and you can personally see how the community views this.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by chownie on Sunday January 22, 2023 @08:56AM (#34477416)
Ok, so what you said was in fact untrue? Dylan says she has tampons for other women, in separate other videos she talks about changes to her body.

With regard to female sexual health panels this also appears to be a fabrication. I googled this and your comment was one of the first results, unless you mean the NowThis News panel with Biden? That being a progressive news org having a media moment with the president, not a female sexual health panel as you've called it.

Your last point is complete non-sequitur. You're operating from a place of discomfort and then working backwards toward rationalisation, that's much is clear from the half-truths you're telling. If there were any concrete concerns beyond your personal feelings you wouldn't feel the need to lie.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by LawTalkingGuy on Sunday January 22, 2023 @05:24PM (#34482886)
My point in this is that the official word on high and filtering down to all levels is that transwomen, males who claim to be women, are female and I think that is fairly obvious regardless.

But yes, I did have the names wrong. The White House's Lesbian day of Visibility was with Richard Levine and Charles Clymer, the two male "lesbian females" at the table. https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/90533/tims-charles-charl...

This is Dylan Mulvaney who met Biden https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/94756/disgustingly-shall...

Thanks for the correction.

> With regard to female sexual health panels this also appears to be a fabrication.

"Rachel" Levine is the assistant health minister so that's every day for them.

> Dylan says she has tampons for other women, in separate other videos she talks about changes to her body.

"Her" body. Exactly.

> You're operating from a place of discomfort and then working backwards toward rationalisation,

It is very uncomfortable watching women being beaten https://www.gulf-insider.com/us-transgender-activists-attack... simply for asserting their rights to single-sex spaces.

I am very uncomfortable watching institutions that my daughter appreciated, such as girl guiding, being appropriated by crazy gun-toting men https://www.womenarehuman.com/women-interviewed-by-police-fo... and for the women who complain to be targeted by false reports and doxing.

I'm horrified watching politicians politicians give women's identities and rights away to men if they claim to be women https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/01/labour-to-c...

I would be as uncomfortable watching Rachel Dolezal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal being appointed presidential advisor for Black affairs.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by shuntress on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:16PM (#34469314)
You are incorrect in two ways. First, you are conflating sex and gender. Second, sex is a bimodal distribution rather than a fixed binary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by fullmoon on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:30PM (#34469457)
Intersex is about characteristics, not biological sex.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by enriquto on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:31PM (#34468133)
Heh. This is like medieval illuminators who painted fig leaves over the nude drawings made by their predecessors.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by readthenotes1 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:28PM (#34468792)
Or the prudes went around whacking the Johnsons off all the statues
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by klyrs on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:35PM (#34468866)
Always gotta ask, is that prudish or kinky?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by qbrass on Saturday January 21, 2023 @05:40PM (#34471440)
1 in 3 think it's prudish, 1 in 5 think it's kinky, and 1 in 15 think it's kinky when prudish people do it.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by iambateman on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:20PM (#34468011)
This is like keeping a shotgun in your house to protect against the government. If the government is ready to conduct systematic disinformation campaigns, your DVD’s probably won’t help.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by 15155 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:16PM (#34468657)
How did Vietnam and Afghanistan fare against "the government?"
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by garbagecoder on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:26PM (#34469411)
Better than the Confederacy my cherry picking cliche replyguy.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by harvey9 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:09PM (#34469878)
Can someone clarify this chain for me? Keeping a gun to defend your home against the government is probably futile because the government always has more weapons and more fighters than you.

The other three cases were all wars - an apples to oranges comparison.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by maxwell on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:21PM (#34470018)
You think members of the U.S. military would side with the government and execute orders against American citizens on American soil?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by lrvick on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:41PM (#34470278)
They are trained to do anything they are told. Anything.

Remember the Chinese military had no problem mowing down protestors if their bosses give the order.

That said, it is easier and safer to defend yourself from a government in modern society with information and free uncensored communication than with guns.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by maxwell on Sunday January 22, 2023 @09:38PM (#34484801)
What sources are you citing here?

You seem to be completely off-base.

No, in the United States, the military and all federal employees explicitly swear an oath to the Constitution, and are forbidden from executing illegal orders, regardless of the chain of command.

Yeah, PLA goons in Communist China certainly do things differently.

In the United States, the people are the government. Where are you?

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by lrvick on Tuesday January 24, 2023 @12:46PM (#34507138)
All the members of the NSA swore an oath to the constitution but what they actually followed were the orders of those cutting their paychecks to spy on the American public.

Also note all the leaked footage of our military gleefully mowing down children and keeping score. They are never prosecuted for war crimes either. Just part of the job.

That is how humans work everywhere. The US is not special.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by garbagecoder on Thursday January 26, 2023 @06:32PM (#34540373)
>They are trained to do anything they are told. Anything.

Yeah, you've never been in the military and appear to have a knowledge based on memes of it. Read the officer's oath and see what we're trained to do.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by harvey9 on Sunday January 22, 2023 @07:33AM (#34476755)
No. But the police and FBI have fighters (I should have used the term agents in my first post, and I am using it to mean anyone exercising force on behalf of the govt).
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by maxwell on Sunday January 22, 2023 @09:41PM (#34484821)
Don't police officers and all federal employees take an oath to the U.S. Constitution?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by zdw on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:43PM (#34468278)
There are already incidences of this:

The TV show Community is missing an episode on Netflix for some reason (edit: reason was Ken Jeong in what could be interpreted as blackface).

The IT Crowd is missing one in some geos because it was considered anti-Trans by some - that episode also has the unrelated and hilarious plot where Roy and Moss convince Jen that they're loaning her a "black box that holds the entire internet".

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by InvaderFizz on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:47PM (#34468313)
That's sad. That internet black box plot line is one of the best known and most beloved about the series.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by legitster on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:47PM (#34468312)
A couple of episodes of 30 Rock as well.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by Klonoar on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:58PM (#34469118)
Doesn’t Always Sunny have this issue as well?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by oliveshell on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:10PM (#34469248)
Yes [1], mostly the episodes that involve Kaitlin Olson's character, Dee Reynolds, who aspires to a career in comedy, herself inventing and portraying racially insensitive characters within the story of the show.

I'm not the type to rail against such things generally, but IMO it was unnecessary and misguided to remove these episodes: their humor came deliberately from how oblivious Dee was to the offensiveness of her act.

Indeed, her portrayals are usually immediately and explicitly critiqued by her fellow characters as being racist and insane.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/IASIP/comments/hflb6t/list_of_its_a...

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by legitster on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:11PM (#34469267)
This is somehow the most mindnumbing. It's a show about terrible people doing terrible things. Like, they can only display certain, acceptable, forms of terribleness?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by nickthegreek on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:01PM (#34469149)
I think about 4 or 5 episodes.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by birdyrooster on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:09PM (#34468595)
BBC is notorious for black face on their programs even in recent decades.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by werdnapk on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:04PM (#34469186)
The main character in Noel Fielding's Luxury Comedy is a black face, but do people honestly say any face painted in black is racist? Noel is clearly using a black face in his show for artistic reasons and isn't racist in the slightest... IMO.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by mdp2021 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:13PM (#34469282)
In fact, there had been censorship of the Mighty Boosh episode with "the Spirit of Jazz".
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by birdyrooster on Saturday January 21, 2023 @04:41PM (#34470872)
In particular the one that frustrates me frequently is Mitchell and Webb. Why in **s name did they have to lean on blackface?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by at_a_remove on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:11PM (#34468609)
Mustn't forget tidying up the wrist-slitting in 13 Reasons Why.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by klyrs on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:32PM (#34468831)
Nor should we forget the social contagion risk of suicide

> After the series' release, a study published in the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry found that suicide among teenagers rose by 28.9% in the month after Netflix launched the show.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by rajin444 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:01PM (#34469151)
Nor should we forget to beware the man of one study.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by klyrs on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:33PM (#34469487)
Who's the "man" in this case? Not me. Not a man, and I see that study as a single data point associated with a single event. There are many studies on the social contagion effect of suicide, enough that it's worth considering the possible impact of how suicide is depicted in media.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by Sinidir on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:26PM (#34469417)
The Werther Effect is thoroughly studied effect. There are plenty of studies on the issue.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by ac29 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:06PM (#34469203)
While 28.9% sounds like a shocking number, it was only a few dozen additional deaths.

A few additional concerns with the paper:

-The authors made no effort to try and determine if any of the people who died had seen the show, or even had heard of it.

-Suicides were up the month before the show was released as well.

-In fact, suicides in that age group had been trending up for years according to their data, which is not mentioned in the discussion of results at all.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by zikduruqe on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:44PM (#34468966)
Or the SpongeBob SquarePants "Panty Raid" episode.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by gjsman-1000 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:28PM (#34469430)
There are some episodes like that where... like, I am against censorship in general especially considering the state of our world right now, but it is still weird to me that a cadre of writers thought that would be a good idea to make - and network executives agreed!
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by kawsper on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:50PM (#34469041)
The story about the pulled IT Crowd episode is covered here: https://screenrant.com/it-crowd-controversy-graham-linehan-a...
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by mdp2021 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:24PM (#34469388)
With a very heavy perspective. Among the recurrent signs, the following suffices:

> inviting laughter and derision toward the... community

No. Just finding an occasion for the selected direction in creativity. Which the writer of the article seems to want to make ideological, with the exception of one use of the expression "«cheap laugh»" (which, for that matter, may bring attention to the other "celebrated" subplot of "the elders of the Internet" - using the same perspective, it would be as if "making cheap laughs through a sort of "ableism"").

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by pxc on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:15PM (#34469941)
Nah dude. I recently re-watched the whole show, and while I liked certain parts of it... it's a very transphobic show. And it's not just that episode; that episode gets callbacks in future episodes all the time.

It's a mean spirited gag, and the mere fact of being transgender is the punch line, over and over. It sucks. It makes revisiting the show more cringey and less fun.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by mdp2021 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @04:27PM (#34470729)
Since you raised your doubts, I just re-watched it - series 3, episode 4. And I confirm the view.

The whole episode is about the clumsiness of living, consistently with the project idea ("the IT crowd", outcast specialists with little interface to the public, which is a mass of people thrown into some role "«not doing much work but constantly having affairs»" - confused humans -, with a link which is the portrait of incompetence trying to make a living - trying to live - into something she does not understand). All the characters do is "attempting", trying to fit a role. The difficulties of living roles could be a trigger for the development of the substory involving Douglas Reynholm and April (and the gender instrumental to that). The whole idea climaxes in the "collapse of civilization" when the "stakeholders", as "topmost layer of the role-players", are in front of the catastrophic loss of the Internet, and the "punchline from above" is that of Moss: «It really isn't that funny» - of course, because it is tragic.

While I could see that the "It's over" scene could be to some extent insensitive, given that the writers may have supposed that it would be something lived by a number in such group, it was instrumental to the fight scene, which is a consolidated topos. And the "victory" seems to be on the other side, since the "punchline from inside" is that of Douglas, which ends the episode crying, going "It's not the same!" (It's not the same without her, or him - as she was both the "other half" and the "pal"). So, not only I do not see a phobia, but on the contrary, I see the opposite message, towards seeing people for what they are, and to love that whatever they are (also since the premise of the whole is, as said, that they will be confused imperfect players) - Douglas could not and he is alone crying.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by lotsoweiners on Sunday January 22, 2023 @01:28AM (#34474951)
I don't recall the episode, been probably 10 years since I watched the show, but lots of things "suck" if you watch them through your 2023 eye. Whether a show came out in 1955 or 1999, I just enjoy it as a product of it's time.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by pxc on Monday January 23, 2023 @10:00AM (#34489527)
Definitely true. I'm not here to say that no one else can or should enjoy the show, or that it's unique in having aged poorly in some respects. But the problems with that episode and later ones (with are not entirely one note about Douglas' relationship with the transgender woman, despite the very painful fight scene and the overwhelming fact that being transgender is the punchline) are real and not made up, and I can understand why they'd be deeply uncomfortable to many people.

> Whether a show came out in 1955 or 1999, I just enjoy it as a product of it's time.

This is great when one can do it, and I think it's a fine approach. But of course, if you were gay in 1955 or trans in 1999, there's probably a lot of shows where certain issues— common enough at the time— would have really diminished your enjoyment and maybe even triggered some dysphoria, even 'at the time'.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by asddubs on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:55PM (#34469099)
I mean, "was considered anti-Trans by some" is pretty charitable for that episode. It is pretty overtly anti-trans, and the show as a whole was written by grahan linnehan who has also been vocally anti-trans
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by mdp2021 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:35PM (#34469515)
A very "semantically open" use of 'anti-', as some may be surprised to know that there are people who watched that episode and did not judge it the least deprecatory towards any category.

"I mean", as if Douglas Reynholm (the "phobic" - finally, a literal case - in the episode) was drawn as an exemplary character, a model of a human being... "I mean II", I checked on a search engine for the spelling, and the first under-link stub that resulted is «Douglas Reynholm was an incredibly arrogant, self-righteous, pompous, cruel and elitist egomaniac who considered himself to be somewhat above everybody else. He viewed women as objects to feel and manipulate to his incredible sexual mania»...

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by gjsman-1000 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:31PM (#34469472)
The classic issue with censorship. "I don't enjoy it, therefore, nobody should be allowed to enjoy it. And I won't be happy until nobody else can enjoy it. If you enjoy it, that makes you <insert moral judgement here>. And because I am not that, and nobody who is <insert moral judgement here> is for that content, it should be removed."

Now... I will admit, it isn't always wrong (CP). But it often is the fruit of an unwitting narcissism.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by pcthrowaway on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:38PM (#34469551)
The person you're engaging with wasn't making an argument about whether it should be censored, just that the pulled episode was clearly anti-trans
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by mdp2021 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:52PM (#34469676)
There is also a possibility that the poster subtly willingly replaced 'anti-' with "[all that in actual evidence from this side appears is that apparently,] you don't enjoy it", and on that basis returned to (an argument about) the original point of censorship.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by gnarbarian on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:17PM (#34469322)
so don't watch it.

with censorship nobody can watch it.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by zeroonetwothree on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:46PM (#34469617)
Right, why is it I can stream Hitler's speeches as much as I want, but this one episode is apparently too dangerous?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by gnarbarian on Saturday January 21, 2023 @09:34PM (#34473584)
we are beset with tiny Hitlers wielding small amounts of power in every organization.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by garbagecoder on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:24PM (#34469393)
That’s not an instance of the Ministry of Truth. My brother in Christ, that’s a corporation doing that.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by Spooky23 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:38PM (#34469554)
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Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by klipklop on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:34PM (#34469511)
I bought a copy of ‘Tropic Thunder’ for exactly this reason. One day it will be pulled from all streaming platforms due to RDJ playing a black man.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by yellow_lead on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:51PM (#34469658)
There really isn't another movie like tropic thunder Imo
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by Gemoto on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:59PM (#34469764)
I mean it's tropic thunder. What would be really lost here?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by mdp2021 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @04:44PM (#34470901)
Some academicians insist in seeing Art even in "popular" works. But also beside that, well, you would lose a popular work - if somebody did it, they probably "put something in it".
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by TheCondor on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:00PM (#34469773)
That episode of Community also explicitly referred to the black face as a "hate crime." I don't think it's so much a matter of interpretation as that was the direct gag they were going for.

Do we know who actually pulled the content? Netflix clearly doesn't have a policy against streaming partial amount of content when they can't get it all from a provider but it's not clear to me if Netflix pulled a single episode of Community or if the licensers maybe refused to license that episode. I think I read that Sony was supportive of the episode being pulled.

I think most of this content will come back once the industry as a whole sort of figures out the positioning. There are something the creators are embarrassed by and it might never come back but I expect there to be a new rating or something similar (Disney+ does this already) where they'll indicate before the media plays that it may be offensive or insensitive. News shows do this when covering certain types of crimes.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by kingforaday on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:00PM (#34469775)
I wonder if the reverse is true. Anyone remember the Wayans Bros. Movie "White Chicks"?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by maxwell on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:11PM (#34469907)
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by ethbr0 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:52PM (#34470380)
My overriding memory of Shawn and Marlon Wayans will always be an MTV Movie Awards (or some such) from the 90s, where they were hosting.

Some smart-ass comic gets up on the stage and leads with "I always said you were the two talented ones in the family."

Ouch. And double-ouch at the big laugh it got from the audience.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by dehrmann on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:24PM (#34470058)
How can you forget the bit with Terry Crews singing Thousand Miles?
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by selimthegrim on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:01PM (#34469784)
Frank Zappa's albums had one particular song removed from their track list on Google's search results.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by cbm-vic-20 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:16PM (#34469954)
If a streaming service is concerned about this, instead of dissappearing an episode, they could put a disclaimer slide at the beginning: "<Streaming Service> does not approve of the views made within this episode. Click <here> to skip to the next episode."
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by TMWNN on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:24PM (#34470054)
I've heard that the official clips of Saturday Night Live on YouTube are routinely posted with edits in which significant chunks are excised for "problematic" jokes, without any notice.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by anigbrowl on Saturday January 21, 2023 @04:11PM (#34470581)
The IT Crowd is missing one in some geos because it was considered anti-Trans by some

I have a lot of mixed feelings about this one; though I don't think the ep should be removed, it is in poor taste and arguably defeats its own comic intentions. I suspect the deeper objection is not to the content per se but how it reads in the context of Graham Linehan subsequently aligning himself as a massive transphobe and making it into a political cause.

I don't know Linehan personally, but grew up near him and followed his career since long before he went into television, when he was writing film and TV reviews in an alt-weekly paper for beer money. He has always been a comic genius, able to turn excruciating social pain into hilarious farce, while also being willing to cheer on success. I remember he once opened a movie review for a film called Eat the Peach with 'At last, an Irish movie that does not make me want to run to the toilets and lick all four walls.'

That kind of self-criticality and emotional nakedness has deep roots in the Irish identity, and it is what makes Roy, an Irish man working for an incomprehensible and irrational corporation in London, such a compelling character. I find the show especially entertaining because I've been that person, doing that exact job, working for those kind of companies in London, often under bosses like Jen or Denholm/Douglas Reynholm. Linehan's character portraits, even for a single episode or scene, are incredibly sharp and truthful. In The Work Outing, where Roy and Moss unwillingly accompany Jen to the theater, there's a scene where Jerome, an extroverted PR guy, is introduced to Roy & Moss. No sooner has Roy diffidently said hello than Jerome exclaims 'Oh my god you're Irish! I love Irish people! They're all mad aren't they! They're just mad!' and the exchange spirals downward into cringe. The whole episode is a comic masterpiece, but this brief scene has a special place in my heart as I've had that conversation hundreds of times in my life.

In this scene but also in general, the engine of comedy is the mismatch between characters who are quirky and self-conscious (like Roy and Jen) and those who are quirky but oblivious (like Moss, Douglas Reynholm, and here, Jerome). When characters go against their 'natural' type they get punished in hilarious ways, by being stuck with the baggage of their transgression which then multiplies itself exponentially. The plot frame for this episode is that Jen tries to be oblivious in pursuit of a date with another oblivious-seeming person, who turns out to be even more painfully self-aware than she is. As in all restorative comedies, the characters who transgress end up feeling worse but wiser, nothing really bad happens, and everything returns to normal.

In The Speech (the 'banned' episode), hopelessly insensitive CEO Douglas Reynholm meets an attractive lady journalist, April, and romance blossoms. Despite her repeated advisories that she used to be a man, Douglas thinks he's found the perfect woman who not just tolerates but admires and enjoys his shallow hyper-masculinity, sharing and even exceeding his love of bad action movies, heavy drinking, and competitive sports. But gradually reality gets through even his dense skull and he ends the relationship - briefly taking responsibility for the situation, before reverting to type and deflecting blame back onto April. Mutual recriminations quickly escalate into a fist fight straight out of a bad action movie, with Douglas wins - thereby regaining his 'boss' status - by knocking April out. He is subsequently shown as being vilified in the press and sobbing over the loss of his erstwhile companion, with whom he was actually compatible.

(Roy, Moss, and Jen are relegated to the less-important plot frame story in this episode, which sets up but is peripheral to the emotional conflict of the main story. In dramatic and thriller forms, the emotional conflict sets up but is peripheral to the main plot action; John Wick is the purest distillation of this.)

The Speech breaks two comedy rules in that the climactic suffering is not just emotional but physical, and something really bad does happen (the knockout). While it's implied that April recovers (going on to write a negative magazine article about Douglas) and Douglas actually feels bad, the comedically awkward social conflict of incongruous gender expectations crosses a line into physical violence which writers normally avoid. The violence is also intense; while this is meant to parody the bad action movies both Douglas and April enjoy, most comedy violence involves characters either flailing around, missing their punches, and blundering into the furniture or escalating quickly to absurd extremes like explosions or natural disasters. Though there are multiple comic touches in the fight scene, it's choreographed as a conventional aggressive fistfight, with a lot of punches to the head in both directions.

This was a bit too close to reality for a lot of people, because transgender women do suffer a disproportionate amount of physical violence up to and including murder, and this often takes place in the context of relationships. Perpetrators often defend themselves in court by insisting that they were deceived by a transgender romantic or sexual partner and acted violently out of fear and panic, which many find wildly implausible. Complaints gradually mounted over a 12 year period and in 2020 the UK broadcaster of the show announced they were dropping the episode from reruns.

Graham Linehan, who wrote and directed the episode, reacted badly, announced he was cutting ties with the broadcaster (after years of fruitful partnership), and went on a vicious tirade on social which eventually led to the suspension of his Twitter account - strangely parallel to the trajectory of the fictional Douglas. Rather than compromising or de-escalating, he raised it to the level of a political issue asserting that his civil rights (of free speech) were under attack and going on to attack transgender people in general in the most vituperative terms. In the context of an ongoing trend of escalating violence towards trans people (nearly doubling in the last year) his increasingly strident position has alienated a great many of his former fans.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by inchley on Saturday January 21, 2023 @10:57PM (#34474093)
> Rather than compromising or de-escalating, he raised it to the level of a political issue asserting that his civil rights (of free speech) were under attack

Curiously, in doing so, Linehan chanced upon an actual civil rights movement, of women losing single-sex spaces to males who choose to identify as women, and started championing this instead.

Though, many gender critical feminists find Graham's unasked-for presence in their activism rather embarrassing and irritating due to his generally quite aggressive behavior and his occasional bouts of sexism.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by mgarfias on Saturday January 21, 2023 @12:45PM (#34468296)
What George Lucas did to Star Wars over the years is all the lesson I need about Orwellian changes to the past being possible (and likely)
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by cb504 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:06PM (#34469834)
"Han Solo shot first." ... Sorry, I had to do it.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by dehrmann on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:32PM (#34470167)
Maybe he'll make the pronunciation of "Han" consistent someday.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by naveen99 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:02PM (#34468509)
Maybe limit the actual truth to the top 1-5% , and leave the masses to the sanitized version of history… which is basically the status quo in the west with mainstream media / Hollywood, and CCP in the east with China.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by RajT88 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @01:30PM (#34468809)
A related, but different phenomena: Streaming episodes have been edited to inject product placement.

I read an article a while back about how old Friends episodes have movie posters in the background of films which were released after 2010.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by czx4f4bd on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:13PM (#34469281)
I would be interested to see that article. I tried googling for it but could only find some articles about censorship on Chinese streaming sites and Netflix missing some scenes from the DVD release due to issues with the master copies.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by deadbunny on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:59PM (#34469760)
[citation needed]

Can't find any evidence of this at all.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by RajT88 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:56PM (#34470417)
It was probably 10ish years ago I read about it. Most likely on BoingBoing.

Will see if I can find it. Indeed it is not easily dug up.

There are many ads about the coming trend of "Virtual Product Placement" but none that I can find which acknowledge the early attempts at it which I read about way back.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by bentley on Saturday January 21, 2023 @05:18PM (#34471245)
Maybe you were thinking of How I Met Your Mother?

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/iiay9/digitally_inser...

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by RajT88 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @05:31PM (#34471370)
Nailed it. That was it 100%. Thank you!
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by RajT88 on Saturday January 21, 2023 @04:04PM (#34470512)
Not the article I was looking for, but this talks about a company doing this exact thing as a service for media companies:

https://www.outsourcemarketing.com/blog/help-product-placeme...

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by bentley on Saturday January 21, 2023 @05:04PM (#34471093)
There was a case of it just recently—the Amazon Jack Reacher series was released in February (around tax time) and had a TurboTax ad edited onto the side of a building when viewed in America.

https://gizmodo.com/digital-ads-streaming-netflix-amazon-nbc...

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by shuntress on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:11PM (#34469261)
It's more nuanced than you are presenting here. The obvious middle ground is the use of "Poison Cabinets" where certain works are deliberately and explicitly separated from their contemporaries with obvious labels explaining that they express ideas or opinions known now to be harmful. This way they are not lost or erased but also not treated as if they are perfectly normal and acceptable.

For another thing, there is also at least some element here of the right to be forgotten. It's obviously different for groups vs individuals but our systems should allow some amount of agency to people who regret things they have produced in the past and wish for them to be forgotten.

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by still_grokking on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:14PM (#34469296)
> One real danger of putting all historical video media on streaming sites is that it makes it far too easy to introduce an Orwellian Ministry of Truth that is empowered to rewrite the past to make it conform to today's acceptable social norms, academic ideologies, government agendas and so on.

I see such rewriting of the past, or at least attempts of that, on Wikipedia. It's not really hidden as there is a (hopefully!) integer edit history, but who reads the edit history anyway? Usually you just look at articles as they are at the current moment.

As we don't have much "hard copies" of a lot of stuff any more around the possibility to "rewrite the past" for significant amounts of people becomes a real thread as we rely more and more on digital and purely online data.

Given how "durable" our digital data is future historians will have a very hard time. Maybe our time will become a dark age when seen form the future. Have you tried lately to open some files from the 80'es that reside on some storage medium form that time? And that's only a few years in the past. Imagine 500 yeas in the future. What will be left of all the cat videos on YouTube (and maybe some more important data)?

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by veltas on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:41PM (#34469579)
>but who reads the edit history anyway?

Every time I look at a controversial article, and I'm unconvinced by the implicit narratives, I will look at the history, and more often than not there are interesting details lurking in the past versions.

And sometimes it's just fascinating looking at how details on a situation unrolled over time. Like for instance, go look at Jeffrey Epstein's Wikipedia history: there was an article on him preceding the publicity of his abuse.

I am under the impression right now that Wikipedia history is quite permanent unless an article is totally deleted, and that people do not prune the history of content they wish to censor. I hope it remains this way, cynically I don't think this will always be so, prove me wrong Wikipedia!

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by expensive_news on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:46PM (#34469615)
Could you give some examples of a page on Wikipedia being rewritten? I’m familiar with the incident of redefining what a ‘recession’ is but I’m always curious for more examples.
Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by culi on Saturday January 21, 2023 @02:23PM (#34469383)
Or you can torrent them...

One person's collection serves that one person, but there are some really cool groups out there like DocuWiki[0] that try to archive every documentary out there and serve them on the eDonkey network. There's been numerous times I've failed to find a documentary by even the original publisher. Like I literally couldn't give them my money no matter how much I tried. And even libraries didn't have it. But good old DocuWiki always had my back

Torrents are kind of like a community archive

[0] https://docuwiki.net/index.php?title=Special:Newpages

Re:My Husband Was Right About DVDs All Along by lrvick on Saturday January 21, 2023 @03:27PM (#34470103)
Who knew dirty pirates would become the worlds archivists of culture.