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Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by blakesterz on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @12:51PM (#31169822)
The original with ALL of the excuses is at the British Museum here:

https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/Y_EA5634

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by jamesfisher on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:26PM (#31172723)
cat excuses | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn

67 ILL

49 WITH HIS BOSS

17 BREWING BEER

13 WITH AAPEHTI

8 WITH THE SCRIBE

6 MAKING REMEDIES FOR THE SCRIBE’S WIFE

5 WRAPPING (THE CORPSE OF) HIS MOTHER

5 OFFERING TO THE GOD

5 HIS WIFE WAS BLEEDING

5 FETCHING STONE FOR THE SCRIBE

4 WITH KHONS MAKING REMEDIES

4 SUFFERING WITH HIS EYE

4 OFF ABSENT

4 HIS DAUGHTER WAS BLEEDING

3 WITH HOREMWIA

3 WITH HIS BOSS DITTO

3 LIBATING TO HIS FATHER

2 WRAPPING (THE CORPSE OF) HIS SON

2 HIS MOTHER WAS ILL

2 HIS FEAST

2 FETCHING STONE FOR QENHERKHEPSHEF

2 BURYING THE GOD

1 WITH HIS GOD

1 THE SCORPION BIT HIM

1 STRENGTHENING THE DOOR

1 OFFFERING TO THE GOD

1 OFFERING TO HIS GOD

1 OFF ABSENT WITH THE SCRIBE

1 MOURNING HIS SON

1 LIBATING FOR HIS SON

1 LIBATING FOR HIM

1 LIBATING

1 EMBALMING HORMOSE

1 EMBALMING HIS BROTHER

1 DRINKING WITH KHONSU

1 BUILDING HIS HOUSE

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by spiralx on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:21PM (#31173349)
A lot of those are related to death:

5 WRAPPING (THE CORPSE OF) HIS MOTHER 2 WRAPPING (THE CORPSE OF) HIS SON 1 EMBALMING HORMOSE 1 EMBALMING HIS BROTHER 1 MOURNING HIS SON 3 LIBATING TO HIS FATHER 13

and I suspect most of these:

8 WITH THE SCRIBE 1 OFF ABSENT WITH THE SCRIBE 5 FETCHING STONE FOR THE SCRIBE 2 FETCHING STONE FOR QENHERKHEPSHEF 1 LIBATING FOR HIS SON 1 LIBATING FOR HIM 1 LIBATING 2 BURYING THE GOD 21

and there's a bunch making remedies and/or looking after wives and female relatives:

6 MAKING REMEDIES FOR THE SCRIBE’S WIFE 5 HIS WIFE WAS BLEEDING 4 WITH KHONS MAKING REMEDIES 4 HIS DAUGHTER WAS BLEEDING 2 HIS MOTHER WAS ILL 21

Some ones that seem work-related by the use of names:

49 WITH HIS BOSS 3 WITH HIS BOSS DITTO 3 WITH HOREMWIA 13 WITH AAPEHTI 68

Then there's some actual stuff the worker was doing - mostly brewing beer:

17 BREWING BEER 5 OFFERING TO THE GOD 1 WITH HIS GOD 1 STRENGTHENING THE DOOR 1 BUILDING HIS HOUSE 25

A few unknowns:

4 OFF ABSENT

And finally the actual illness and injury, including scorpion guy!

67 ILL 4 SUFFERING WITH HIS EYE 1 THE SCORPION BIT HIM 72

Seems that brewing and DIY were the only hobbies around - unless you count making remedies or embalming!

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by downrightmike on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:01PM (#31174231)
Brewing beer and making remedies may may not be mutually exclusive as ancient beer had natural antibiotics like tetracycline: https://www.wired.com/2010/09/antibiotic-beer/
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by james-skemp on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @06:56PM (#31174181)
With his boss:

It's a little buried (on mobile) but:

> ... the next most frequent is being away with one's superior doing private work for him, a practice that was not forbidden if done in moderation.

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by _carbyau_ on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @09:29PM (#31175201)
While definitely a legal grey area in these modern times, foremen borrowing a truck/excavator and a bloke or two to sort out something at the foreman's house still seems to happen.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by neycoda on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @08:13AM (#31178927)
I imagine this happens often considering the amount of stories I hear of developer companies doing inadequate jobs.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by dr_dshiv on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:35PM (#31174505)
Many might be missing work because of ritual uncleanliness (wife/daughter bleeding)
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by neycoda on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @08:11AM (#31178912)
Yah, exactly, they're not excuses, they're reasons, and apparently allowed and understood.

Whoever wrote that article is really anti-worker and probably a trash person.

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by blakebreeder on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @01:51PM (#31183386)
The word "excuse" doesn't require the negative connotation you're ascribing to it.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by londons_explore on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @01:34AM (#31176683)
Remember this is translated by archaeologists, and most of them go into the profession thinking about mummies.

I suspect whenever they come across a symbol they don't understand to translate, they might just assume it means "ooh, it must mean wrapping my father"!

TL;DR:. Translator bias could be hitting hard...

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by f1refly on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @03:01AM (#31177117)
No. We have a good grasp of how ancient Egypt worked. Archeologists also don't go into the profession "thinking about mummies", archeology is a respectable, evidence-based profession. Do you think the whole field of archeology is a joke?0 There are lots of dual-language pieces that have been used to verify an accurate translation of these very inscriptions.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by alsetmusic on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @09:49PM (#31187951)
Not least of which, the Rosetta Stone has three: Hieroglyphics, Demotic, and Greek.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by frupert52 on Saturday April 30, 2022 @04:10AM (#31214262)
For a long time archeology was simply known as “digging” and following that “digging for things”
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by junon on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @03:22AM (#31177220)
Do you have any authority on the subject of archeological academic misconduct or are you speculating?

No, archeologists do not go into the field "thinking about mummies". This isn't Hollywood.

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by wesleywt on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:49PM (#31172987)
Who knew that Egypt was so progressive that guys can take off when their wife or daughter has a period.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by the_af on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:18PM (#31173309)
Maybe they, like in some Abrahamic religions to come later, considered women "impure" when they had the period, and this somehow translated to the men in the household? Wild speculation, of course.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by bryanrasmussen on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @01:13AM (#31176564)
Menstruation, Menstrual Hygiene and Woman's Health in Ancient Egypt http://www.mum.org/germnt5.htm
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by MonkeyClub on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:29PM (#31173433)
That's what I thought as well, though I would expect that'd appear in higher frequency - unless the bosses sent people to check.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by bobsmooth on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:44PM (#31174567)
I think it's more likely that the men had to take over household tasks while their wives were on the rag.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by the_af on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @09:10PM (#31175109)
Hm. Why would they have to take over? Women on their period are not invalids. Though maybe the weren't allowed to do household tasks?
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by spoonjim on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @11:22PM (#31175955)
Now imagine women without modern feminine hygiene products. It’s a very different story.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by bryanrasmussen on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @01:14AM (#31176570)
right, a woman with a particularly heavy period might need to be cared for on the worst day.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by lwouis on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @11:10PM (#31175887)
Some women are completely disabled by their period pains. I can imagine the husband coming home to attend to her, the kids, the animals, and the house
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by Ma8ee on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @02:26AM (#31176945)
There are still some cultures where women isolate themselves in separate buildings while they are "unclean".
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by the_af on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @09:02AM (#31179324)
Yes, this brings us back to my original comment :)
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by TedDoesntTalk on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:16PM (#31175513)
Probably considered unclean -- some religions still believe this (Islam, Judaism). You can't clean and cook if you're unclean? I don't know.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by tsol on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @11:51PM (#31176105)
In Islam and Judaism women can still do housework. It's a ritual purity, not an actual physical one.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by dhzhzjsbevs on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:27PM (#31173413)
Calm down. It's just a PMS joke.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by the_af on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @09:08PM (#31175095)
Did I not seem calm in my reply?
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by dhzhzjsbevs on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @03:04AM (#31177131)
Oh come on, now you're just being hysterical.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by pc86 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @06:11PM (#31173796)
No it's not
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by naijaboiler on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:18PM (#31173314)
they really are putting modern day US employers to shame
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by mr_toad on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @11:41PM (#31176046)
Something that hasn’t changed in 3200 years is inconsistent labelling of data.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by revicon on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @12:09AM (#31176190)
Hard to implement a drop down menu on a stone tablet :)
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by noisy_boy on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @01:53AM (#31176775)
You would think after couple of years they will have blocks for WITH BOSS that can just be pressed on the clay.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by isbvhodnvemrwvn on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @02:23AM (#31176920)
Tell that to my toes
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by Breza on Monday May 09, 2022 @01:19PM (#31316913)
This is the kind of dry humor that keeps me reading long HN comment threads. Well done.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by nyx_land on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:36PM (#31172844)
> BURYING THE GOD

Thousands of years later and yet who among us hasn't missed work to bury God?

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by hprotagonist on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @06:09PM (#31173786)
around here it’s an annual day off.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by zrobotics on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @08:21PM (#31174800)
Well, the whole point of the holiday is he didn't stay buried.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by 2000UltraDeluxe on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @12:54AM (#31176465)
Hence the need to do it repeatedly.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by ben_w on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @10:18AM (#31180188)
“To bury your god once may be regarded as misfortune, to bury them twice looks like carelessness.” - not Oscar Wilde.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by thepasswordis on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:12PM (#31173238)
Wow this really does tell a story. His mom and his son both died.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by nickduggets on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:18PM (#31174375)
Everyone he ever met died. Now the story is more sinister!
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by neycoda on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @08:10AM (#31178905)
It's really anti-worker to consider reasons to miss work (legit ones, allowed ones, necessary ones) "excuses". As if everyone's supposed to work all the time and any time off is non-legit.

What a poor way to view workers... the article really is casting workers in a bad light when that's the opposite of what we need.

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by blippage on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @03:22AM (#31177217)
Reminds me of the #1 reason for a day off work in Australia: possum attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ytDTcsuYM

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by leaflets2 on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @12:05AM (#31176165)
Are these for a single person, or for many people?

If the latter, then, seems their parents (mother) died a lot (5) in comparison to how often they themselves were ill (67)

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by pugets on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @12:08AM (#31176185)
Sorry boss, can’t come in today. My mother died again.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by leaflets2 on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @02:16AM (#31176886)
What if this:

"5 WRAPPING (THE CORPSE OF) HIS MOTHER"

took 5 days? If it included other ceremonies?

(Still, that's a bit much I guess.)

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by jamiek88 on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @02:23AM (#31176919)
Your momma so fat it took you 5 days to wrap her corpse.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by peanut_worm on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @11:40PM (#31176041)
Khonsu must be an important guy
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by LanceJones on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @08:30PM (#31174865)
Only a son is worth mourning?
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by moffkalast on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:38PM (#31171370)
> Year 40 Penduauu: month 1 of Spring, day 14 (DRINKING WITH KHONSU)

"Khonsu, you have any good ideas?"

"I have a bad one."

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by hombre_fatal on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:01PM (#31172451)
Later on in the tablet, they refine it into "MAKING REMEDIES WITH KHONSU".
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:23PM (#31172685)
I suppose then Khonsu said "Here, hold my henqet"
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by jonathankoren on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:41PM (#31171420)
Suddenly, Moon Knight makes more sense
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by tomcam on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:18PM (#31175524)
That was a perfect joke. Thank you.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by ARandomerDude on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:08PM (#31170110)
Interesting that the dates are "Month 3 of Summer, Day 24" etc. The curious bit to me being the enduring use of 4 distinct seasons, when there are obviously other ways to mark a year.

Is anyone aware of a culture that did/does not have exactly 4 seasons?

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by Karawebnetwork on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:19PM (#31170265)
"Sekki is the traditional way of expressing seasons in Japan. There are 24 sekki, including rikka (立夏, the first day of summer) in early May, shoman (小満, lit. “a little full” as in growing, waxing) in late May and boshu (芒種, lit. bearded grain) in early June.

The 24 sekki can be further divided into three for a total of 72 shijijūni ko (七十二侯) that last for about five days each. These subseasons include mugi no toki itaru (麦秋至), or “the time for wheat has come,” which lasts from May 31 to June 5, and kamakiri shozu (“the mantis is born”) from June 6 to June 10. "

https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/just-how-...

The full list is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_calendar#The_24_sekki

There used to be a maintained shared Google Calendar you could use that would display those in your agenda. While the names did not fit exactly with my local weather, it was interesting to give a name to small parts of the year. It felt very natural and intuitive.

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by yowlingcat on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:54PM (#31173052)
I love this. Ever since moving back into the wild from the city, it's been so nice to take notice of all the little "microseasons" you'll see inside a usual season. I took it for granted as a kid, but as an adult, it's nice to name and partake in the various parts of the year as you mention.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by ASalazarMX on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:33PM (#31170459)
It's common among many ancient cultures to treat equinoxes and solstices as events of great importance, as those mark the beginning of the season change, but not all regions experience seasons the same.

Ancient Egyptians, while knowledgeable of astronomy, had only three seasons: Akhet (summer/heat), Peret (flooding, of the Nile) and Shemu (harvest). Notice the conspicuous absence of winter.

https://egyptianstreets.com/2022/01/28/a-year-in-three-seaso...

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by walrus01 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:58PM (#31172409)
In particular the traditional Persian new year (Nowruz) starts in spring, and is celebrated throughout central asia as far as Kazakhstan.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by layer8 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:22PM (#31172676)
The roman calendar started the year in spring as well with March (hence the names September/October/November/December are literally the 7th/8th/9th/10th month). The Greek apparently were all over the place with the year starting in summer/fall/winter depending on region/polis.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by Archelaos on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @06:50PM (#31174136)
Up until 1751 the legal year (fiscal year) in England (and its North American colonies) started at 25 March (Lady Day).
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by pacaro on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @08:26PM (#31174844)
One origin story for April Fool's suggests that it's to do with getting the year wrong.

My understanding was that new years was always January, 1st, but that the year number changed on Lady Day

The UK's tax year still reflects this, starting from April 6, which both accounts (pun intended) for the year changing on Lady Day, and the transition from Julian to Gregorian calendars.

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by devman0 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:45PM (#31173572)
I'd heard this was because July and August (for Julius and Augustus) were added later to the calendar and originally there were only 10 months that started with January.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by layer8 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @06:11PM (#31173800)
I believe those were merely renamed, and the original year was 10 months from March to December, with a nondescript “winter” period between December and March.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by irrational on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:23PM (#31171964)
Oh, when it snows in Egypt (which it does do on occasion) they definitely notice the conspicuous absence of winter.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by Someone on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:25PM (#31170357)
> Is anyone aware of a culture that did/does not have exactly 4 seasons?

Ancient Egyptian :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_calendar:

“The ancient Egyptian calendar – a civil calendar – was a solar calendar with a 365-day year. The year consisted of three seasons of 120 days each, plus an intercalary month of five epagomenal days treated as outside of the year proper. Each season was divided into four months of 30 days.”

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by drocer88 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:55PM (#31173064)
"There are just two seasons in the old Icelandic calendar: [...] summer and winter."

https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2015/10/21/do_you_kn...

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by jointpdf on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:43PM (#31175673)
The local version of this is: there are only two seasons in Michigan—winter and construction.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by alsetmusic on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @10:01PM (#31188026)
There were two in The Bay Area in the early 2000s: wet and dry. Prolonged drought has made us a one-season region, talking about four seasons like other areas.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by aaronharnly on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:29PM (#31172040)
So, a better calendar than ours :(
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by shagie on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:05PM (#31172494)
The Longest Year in Human History (46 B.C.E.) - https://youtu.be/fD-R35DSSZY gets into the "why the year we have is designed the way it is" ... though it takes 22 minutes to get to that part.

It wasn't really better as the 30 * 12 + 5 approach needed manual application of the + 5... which is what the new calendar was trying to avoid.

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by ncmncm on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:36PM (#31175626)
I gather +536 felt longer.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by divbzero on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:22PM (#31171139)
Another phenomenon I’ve found curious is the cross-cultural definition of a week as roughly a quarter moon, and correlated names for days of the week. [1]

  Sunday    Sun     Sōlis    Hēlíou     日曜日
  Monday    Moon    Lūnae    Selḗnēs    月曜日
  Tuesday   Mars    Mārtis   Áreōs      火曜日
  Wednesday Mercury Mercuriī Hermoû     水曜日
  Thursday  Jupiter Iovis    Diós       木曜日
  Friday    Venus   Veneris  Aphrodítēs 金曜日
  Saturday  Saturn  Sāturnī  Krónou     土曜日
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_days_of_the_week
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by thechao on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:51PM (#31172324)
There's some ... but I think it misses two really important ones (and this is just off the top of my head):

1. The Romans had an eight day "week"; and,

2. The mesoamericans had a 260 day "week" (or, at best, interlocking 13 and 20 day "weeks").

I think the 7-day week is more of a statement about how effective the Judeo-Christian culture has imposed a modern week on the rest of the world.

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by robinsoh on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:42PM (#31175664)
> I think the 7-day week is more of a statement about how effective the Judeo-Christian culture has imposed a modern week on the rest of the world.

The 7-day week originated in Sumerian Babylon culture from 2100 BC and has to do with quartering moon phases. I worry when seeing many things attributed to "Judeo-Christian culture" which actually originated from other cultures, many aspects of what's in "Judeo-Christian culture" including perhaps some of the key stories in the Old Testament like the Flood appear to have been copied or at least inspired by stories from Sumerian culture which was considered the 'high culture' of the region.

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by jrsj on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @01:22AM (#31176614)
They definitely didn’t invent it, but I would say it’s fair to give Christianity itself credit for converting Rome to a 7 day week & then most of the rest of the world after. It takes a religion with certain characteristics to accomplish that.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by robinsoh on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @03:04AM (#31177134)
> it’s fair to give Christianity itself credit for converting Rome to a 7 day week

How so? Constantinus was the one who committed to the change and the day names were after the Roman Gods. Even today, we're using Viking names, like today happens to be Odin's Day, tomorrow's going to be Thor's Day and the day after is going to be Freya's Day. I'm not sure it is reasonable or rational to "credit Christianity itself".

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by jrsj on Friday April 29, 2022 @11:34PM (#31213132)
Constantine adopted a 7 day calendar a few years after adopting Christianity. Christians had already adopted that calendar from Jews.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:24PM (#31172703)
>The Romans had an eight day "week"; and,

The Beatles were Romans!

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by mbg721 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @09:24PM (#31175173)
So were the B-52's, but only if you wanted to.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by tsimionescu on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:43PM (#31172921)
As far as I understand from the Wikipedia article, this practice has spread directly from Judaism (7 days) through Christianity through the Roman Empire (which renamed the days according to the planets/gods) to all of these places. It's not clear from the article if perhaps the Ancient Greeks had a similar system already - but otherwise, the Indians and the Chinese adopted this system from Roman/Hellenistic sources between the 3rd and 4th centuries CE, and other cultures around them adopted it from them slightly later.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by chewz on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @11:40PM (#31176039)
Babylonians knew 7 planets and named each day of the week as ruled by a planet...

It had also been subdivided into planetary hours...

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/7-days-week.html

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by jhanschoo on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:26PM (#31172720)
These are more jargon imports that came bundled with the 7-day week after the Romans, and then Europe, popularized it after adopting it. As an analogy, you don't hear many other ways of naming tea and coffee across cultures.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by KSPAtlas on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:26PM (#31173407)
Polish doesn't use those names, but a different system:

Poniedziałek (lit. After not working) Wtorek (not sure) Środa (also not sure) Czwartek (lit. the fourth) Piątek (possibly means drinking day?) Sobota (not sure) Niedziela (Not working)

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by lioeters on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:35PM (#31174503)
> Piątek (possibly means drinking day?)

The word means "the fifth day", from piąty (fifth) rather than pić (to drink).

Wtorek (Tuesday) comes from wtóry, meaning "second".

Środa (Wednesday) is from środa, meaning “middle”.

Sobota (Saturday) is from Hebrew שַׁבָּת‎ (šabbāṯ), meaning the Sabbath.

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by KSPAtlas on Sunday May 01, 2022 @06:01PM (#31229136)
Oh yeah, I guess I was tired and didnt make the connection
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by divbzero on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:43PM (#31173554)
‘Sobota’ resembles ‘sábado’ in Spanish and might refer to the Sabbath?
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by codedokode on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:40PM (#31174534)
Wtorek probably means "the second day", and Środa means "middle". Piątek probably means "fifth".
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by vxNsr on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:58PM (#31173695)
Those all loosely resemble the Russian names, and as the other commentator noted “Sobota” sounds a lot like “Sabbath”
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by twic on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:58PM (#31173694)
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by mensetmanusman on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @08:30PM (#31174868)
On Venus, a day is longer than a year.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by tigerlily on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:32PM (#31171278)
I once heard Canadians in Winnipeg joke there were but two seasons, Winter and Construction. I think this was in reference to road maintenance.

In NZ these days I feel like we have two: Drought and Mudslide.

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by sizzzzlerz on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:33PM (#31172103)
L.A. boasts of three seasons: Drought, mudslide, and wildfire.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by pvarangot on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:20PM (#31171938)
That's hilarious. I lived with a really cold winter and it's not only road maintenance. If you have to do some renovations at your place they sometimes also need to happen on "construction" season, even if it's inside a lot of construction workers go to other places in the winter.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by dennis_jeeves1 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:16PM (#31174353)
Actually it's 4: 1)Winter 2)More winter 3)Still winter and 4)Construction.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by tharkun__ on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @08:11PM (#31174740)
And also not exclusive to Winterpeg. It's used in many other parts of Canada as well. Construction season alternatively being named "orange cone season" as well as the roads are full of them.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by tragictrash on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:33PM (#31171299)
I needed this today, thanks!
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by AlotOfReading on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:26PM (#31170366)
India (and nearby areas) famously used/uses 6 seasons. The Mayan Haab' isn't precisely a seasonal calendar, but each of the 20 'months' was used to much the same effect.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by DiggyJohnson on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:19PM (#31170270)
From my perspective, anything regularly periodic in nature is used to track time: the Sun (years, seasons, days, day/dusk) and Moon (months, weeks, King tides). Consider even the starfield (astrology: years, decades+).

Four seasons makes sense in all of these contexts, and I hypothesize that there are a lot of patterns in nature that are well bucketed into 4 sequential, equal seasons. This is impossible for me to demonstrate, unfortunately. Also, division by by 4 and 12, a year into four seasons is like a month into four weeks. Weeks seem to me to be among our most subjective fundamental time unit.

I see weeks as being the most arbitrary. I always like to imagine what life would be like if weeks were 3 days long. Or 11. I just love this topic.

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by domino24 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:57PM (#31171607)
I always wondered what it would feel like to not have weeks, or even years, but to live life in a continuous stream of days looking forward. I'm not sure if we would feel a horrible lack of closure or accomplishment, or if it would make us more productive and forward looking and moving. I wonder how much of my life I waste just trying to close out a week/month/year.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by diroussel on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:13PM (#31172591)
I was talking to a Jamaican primary school teacher once. She told me that the songs (Nursary rhymes) that they teach the kids are often based on old English ones ( like ring-ring-a-roses) but any reference to the four seasons have been mutated. Since in Jamaica they just have two seasons; wet season and dry season.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by dotancohen on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:04PM (#31170911)

  > I always like to imagine what life would be like if weeks were 3 days long. Or 11. I just love this topic.
I especially like that you chose prime numbers. A week composed of a prime number of days will remain the smallest indivisible group of days that a culture will have.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by joebob42 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @08:22PM (#31174806)
Well, maybe, except that months are sometimes prime numbers and we subdivide them anyways, right?

I guess weeks don't exactly subdivide months, they're sort of separate systems?

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by DiggyJohnson on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:07PM (#31173188)
Agreed, glad you called this out! I was thinking about rambling about this, but this is a topic I can go on and on about, and I was already off to a slow start today...
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by dotancohen on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @02:05AM (#31176845)
Please ramble! I've actually though much about this as well. It kind of forces a "holy day" because without one nothing fits into one week with any period other than "every day" or "every week" - be that week 5 or 7 or 11 days. I've heard that the seven day week was independently developed at least three times in ancient times across disparate cultures as well.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by lIIIllllIIII on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:17PM (#31175520)
Australian indigenous people. Varying numbers of seasons, I'm guessing depending on the climate in which they live.

http://www.bom.gov.au/iwk/climate_culture/Indig_seasons.shtm...

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by andi999 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:02PM (#31175412)
Thailand has 3 seasons. Hot, cold and rainy season. The emerald buddha has three different sets of clothing to match the seasons.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Buddha

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by piethesailorman on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:14PM (#31170197)
I recently read about the Hindu seasons. Here is an off the cusp search result on the subject.

https://www.learnreligions.com/the-six-seasons-of-india-p2-1...

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by jfk13 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:31PM (#31173459)
Apparently the Sami (Lapps) have/had 8 seasons.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/People-Eight-Seasons-story-Lapps/dp...

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by e12e on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:51PM (#31174620)
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by zarzavat on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @03:14AM (#31177180)
Do they have months as well? Once you get to 8 it seems like you could just as well call them long months than short seasons.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by yyyk on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @12:38AM (#31176354)
I can't think of an ancient Middle Eastern culture with 4 seasons. Hittites had 3, various Mesopotamian cultures had 2. It really only made sense in Europe to divide into 4.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by throwawayboise on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:21PM (#31173352)
Astronomically it seems to make the most sense, you have two solstices and two equinoxes dividing the year into four parts.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by magicroot75 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @09:52PM (#31175358)
Can't we use Structured Equation Modeling or ML to cluster seasons based on actual data?
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by LawnGnome on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:46PM (#31172270)
The Noongar of south western Australia denote six seasons: http://www.bom.gov.au/iwk/calendars/nyoongar.shtml
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by com on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @03:49AM (#31177416)
Makuru was much more suitable than “winter” for the climate in Perth: time to rug up and settle in for cosy nights with your loved ones. I wish the Noongar seasons were more often used in the south west of Australia by everybody, so much more suitable than European seasons shifted 6 months!
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by Lordarminius on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @06:11PM (#31173806)
> Is anyone aware of a culture that did/does not have exactly 4 seasons?

Sub saharan people (and many Asian), have two seasons, rainy and dry.

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by rightbyte on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @05:43PM (#31173558)
Every place with wet season maybe?
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by thom on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:30PM (#31170432)
Big day for the guy BURYING THE GOD.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by probably_wrong on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:44PM (#31170614)
I feel a connection to the guy who missed work "absent with the scribe". I know it was probably something important, but a scribe writing "that guy is excused, he was with me" makes me think of those times my boss took me for lunch and paid with the corporate card.

(Of course, I'm assuming the scribe wrote this)

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by moffkalast on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:37PM (#31174521)
Bah gawd it's Nietzsche with a steel shovel.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by Aardwolf on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:12PM (#31170992)
Any idea what "WITH HIS BOSS" means in there? Is that also an excuse of absence, or is that what was marked when not absent?
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by jlbbellefeuille on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:17PM (#31171081)
“… On month 3 of Akhet, days 21-4, it seems that Pennub was off work because he was looking after the ill Aapehti. The most frequently recorded reason for absence is illness (over a hundred times), including 'eye trouble', and 'the scorpion stung him'; the next most frequent is being away with one's superior doing private work for him, a practice that was not forbidden if done in moderation…”
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by drcode on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:21PM (#31171131)
I guess it's like when you're the assistant to a movie studio executive and he/she asks you to wash their car for them.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by Aardwolf on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:26PM (#31171187)
At the beginning of 'Inscription position: front', it looks like it was not done in moderation
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by monocasa on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:23PM (#31171969)
As they say: everything in moderation... including moderation.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by stevenwoo on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:42PM (#31171422)
The British Museum link has it buried under curator's notes (have to expand it)- it means they worked directly for their boss on the boss' project.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by tomkat0789 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:41PM (#31170578)
Time off for illness! That's nice. I wonder if one of the HR scribes tracked the days every person took off in an analog ERP system. Scribes seemed important, maybe they outsourced the basics to contractors.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by jll29 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:59PM (#31172417)
SAP System/C(lay)
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by ars on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:03PM (#31171699)
Presumably they did not get paid on those days off.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by inglor_cz on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:00PM (#31172422)
BREWING THE BEER is a good excuse, ngl.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by skylanh on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:18PM (#31172638)
Potable water with nutrients, bioflavinoids, and antibiotic content is definitely an excusable reason.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by layer8 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:07PM (#31172530)
Presumably the boss received some of that beer.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:42PM (#31171423)
Fetching stone for the scribe?

Wrapping the corspe of his mother? Is that like "My grandma died?"

Trouble with his eye - maybe all that stone dust.

Strengthening the door - I wonder what door...

Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by 988747 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @03:38PM (#31172165)
How is "With his boss" an excuse?
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by layer8 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:09PM (#31172549)
From the curator’s comments: “[The] next most frequent [reason for absence] is being away with one’s superior doing private work for him, a practice that was not forbidden if done in moderation.”
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by scoot on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:00PM (#31169949)
Linked both below the image and in the third paragraph of the post, but there aren't many more excuses, just a lot of repeats, and the article gives more context then the curators notes at that link.
Re:3,200-year-old Egyptian tablet records excuses for why pe... by thisistheend123 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @11:54PM (#31176118)
What's it doing in a "British" museum?