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Re:Most tech content is bullshit by tuyguntn on Sunday June 07, 2020 @12:56PM (#23448681)
I believe part of problem is Google SEO. Tech content maybe bullshit, but marketing content is even more bullshit.

I remember times when we had slow internet and/or only subset of blogs we read from time to time. Most of development was done by reading books, specification of devices for writing drivers and so on.

Now, literally everyone is trying to do SEO and use lots of words in articles, kind of creating content, but in reality copying from someone else and modifying a little and trying to get lots back links. I remember when Quora had quality content, now everything is sales pitch. I feel like people are not trying to create quality content, they are trying to sell and to sell you need more back links.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by PragmaticPulp on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:24PM (#23448918)
Personal brand building is another major contributor to search engine content dilution.

Whenever I Google for something in hot new languages or frameworks, I have to sift through 10s of Medium articles from beginner developers who are trying to establish themselves as industry experts.

I don't want to read some junior developer's Medium post full of animated GIFs and a pseudo-tutorial that is really just entire source code files embedded as GitHub gists one file at a time. I just want to skip to the documentation and get to work.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Jorge1o1 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:39PM (#23449067)
The truly worrying development is when those same Medium posts start circling HN.

I’m not trying to be elitist, but what I enjoy about HN is seeing truly novel and interesting content, and every “crappy” article on the front page bumps an interesting one downwards into oblivion.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by karolisram on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:03PM (#23449234)
I’m ashamed to say that was me at some point. On top of that, those articles did nothing to further my career. All that mattered so far is my past experience, projects and how well I can (leet)code. Now if I start blogging again, it will have to be purely out of intellectual curiosity.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by wenincode on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:30PM (#23449455)
I think this is the same situation a lot of people find themselves in. I would say I'm the same. The further along I get in my career the more I find I'm interested in learning or exploring for my own good or interests, rather than some fake sense of credibility I got in the past.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by loughnane on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:05PM (#23449759)
Also me, but I did have one (on tolerance analysis) that helped my career.

It made rounds in the professional circles I traveled in and established myself as, while not necessarily a leader, someone at least very fluent in a particular process.

This was also in 2010 though, so the social landscape Was quite different

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Nextgrid on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:56PM (#23449664)
I confirm this doesn't do anything for your career, or at least not as much as just focusing that time on actual, paid work. I find that in my career my resume and experience that's on it as opposed to any side-projects or attempts at writing.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by bryanrasmussen on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:42AM (#23453617)
Yes, however on helping the career I think the writing is like a nice little detail on the resume, a way to make it standout a bit more, I also found that in a recent interview for a project an article I had just written on SVG was naturally relevant. As a general rule talking about little articles you've written isn't going to naturally happen in the interview because the interview process is focused on past work and horrible trick questions.

It has also been somewhat useful in projects where a concern with documentation has been expressed because the writing is a better example of my ability to document things than having worked on a lot of projects where you may be able to go see what we shipped but not be able to see anything of the documentation.

I think of the writing as the equivalent of a side project:

* it allows me to focus on something I want to learn

* it helps to make what I learn stick in my head

* it gives me a deadline and people who will send me emails to say how's it going with that

* it works as documentation for what I've learned

* it gives me a trivial amount of money for having taken the time to learn something. Basically the last article I wrote is paying for an annual Dropbox account, and a couple days worth of food for my family. It was way too much work for that to be worthwhile, but I did learn some things that will help with later stuff.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by dustingetz on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:11PM (#23449309)
What's interesting is that this stuff works, which means there are idiot decision makers out there eating it up, which means the whole industry is ripe for disruption by someone who can see even an inch into the fog, so lets go do that
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by watwut on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:01PM (#23449707)
But HN was never hardcore tech content? It is more of general set of articles about wide range of tech issues.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by hn_check on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:45PM (#23449109)
Worrying development? HN has never been particularly enlightened in this respect, and has all of the same trends and superficial articles that emerge on the other networks. The illusion that it's some higher ground has never held true.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by city41 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:05PM (#23450316)
Based on your bio, you may be a bit biased in your assessment.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by runawaybottle on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:45PM (#23450646)
Someone should create that chart with ‘Lawful Good Dunning Kruger Expert’, ‘Chaotic Dunning Kruger Expert’, etc, since I need to know where I fit.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by hn_check on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:31PM (#23450529)
Biased, or simply consistent?
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by _alex_ on Sunday June 07, 2020 @09:56PM (#23452843)
based and orangepilled
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by oefrha on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:28PM (#23449440)
In my experience this is particularly egregious when trying to compare frameworks and libraries in the JS ecosystem. The posts usually boil down to “I wrote a hello world with X and Y, here are my thoughts”, or worse, “I wrote a hello world with X, didn’t even bother to write it with Y, here are my thoughts on why X is awesome and Y sucks”, or worse still, “I wrote a hello world with X, didn’t even bother to write it with Y, here are my thoughts on why X is awesome and Y sucks, and I’ll pretend I have ten years of experience with each.”
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by goostavos on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:53PM (#23451209)
And those exact posts bafflingly make it to the front page of Hacker News somehow -- doubly so if you can include [esoteric language] into your "My thoughts on" title.

I recall an especially egregious one on Clojure where the author had used the language for all of about a week before writing up his detailed hot takes on some "cons" of the language, like needing to know some complicated thing called `let` in order too assign variables.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Leherenn on Monday June 08, 2020 @03:50PM (#23460065)
JavaScript seems particularly bad at this, especially compared to something like C or C++ which I'm more used to.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by ragnese on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:23PM (#23449958)
Ugh. I cringe every time I have an actual, non-trivial, issue or fairly technical question about whatever I'm working on lately.

I remember feeling it while I was working with Swift (50 articles titled: "What is a Protocol?" Give me a break!) and lately I keep running into all kinds of bizarre, complicated behaviors with Jackson in my Kotlin project. It's a new kind of hell to sift through every article that describes the "hello, world" of writing a single data class and having Jackson magically turn it into JSON.

P.S., if you can avoid mixing Jackson with Kotlin, save yourself the trouble.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by abhayb on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:28PM (#23449992)
Hard same on the Kotin/Jackson sadness. Gson also has a bunch of issues. Really want to cut my code over to Moshi but haven't worked up the energy for it. Maybe we all just want to wait till Kotlin serialization is production ready?
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by ragnese on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:37PM (#23450071)
Does Gson still force you to write "beans"?

In any case, this project kind of didn't need any auto-magical serialization library, but the promise was reduced boilerplate. Instead, we just got way more complex boilerplate and a damn dependency forcing me to change how I want to write my code.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by abhayb on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:46PM (#23450143)
Pretty much. I'm all about data classes so the code reads just fine. Definitely less boilerplate than something like JsonObject. But using Gson means non-nullable fields can still be null if the incoming JSON doesn't have them. So you get these "impossible" NPEs. Also, this is more a complaint about the JVM type system but Gson can encode things that it can't decode into which really messes with my mental model.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by ragnese on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:56PM (#23450237)
My experience has been that there might actually be MORE boilerplate now than when I did ad-hoc translation to/from JsonObject.

inline classes straight-up don't work with Jackson, and probably never will. So for every class that has a field that is an inline class, I have to write a "builder class" that's exactly the same except replacing the inline class with the class it wraps.

Also, @JsonUnwrapped doesn't work with Kotlin. And, of course, doing anything with generics is a complex nightmare with Jackson (because of JVM's type erasure).

Not to mention, all these failures happen at runtime, so you don't even know your class is going to be a problem until you run the code.

The whole thing just sucks and I actually miss the simplicity of translating by hand...

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by dredmorbius on Sunday June 07, 2020 @06:01PM (#23451264)
Writing for money and reservation of copyright are, at bottom, the ruin of literature. No one writes anything that is worth writing, unless he writes entirely for the sake of his subject. What an inestimable boon it would be, if in every branch of literature there were only a few books, but those excellent! This can never happen, as long as money is to be made by writing. It seems as though the money lay under a curse; for every author degenerates as soon as he begins to put pen to paper in any way for the sake of gain. The best works of the greatest men all come from the time when they had to write for nothing or for very little.

...

There is no greater mistake than to suppose that the last work is always the more correct; that what is written later on is in every case an improvement on what was written before; and that change always means progress....

If the reader wishes to study any subject, let him beware of rushing to the newest books upon it, and confining his attention to them alone, under the notion that science is always advancing, and that the old books have been drawn upon in the writing of the new. They have been drawn upon, it is true; but how? The writer of the new book often does not understand the old books thoroughly, and yet he is unwilling to take their exact words; so he bungles them, and says in his own bad way that which has been said very much better and more clearly by the old writers, who wrote from their own lively knowledge of the subject....

It often happens that an old and excellent book is ousted by new and bad ones, which, written for money, appear with an air of great pretension and much puffing on the part of friends. In science a man tries to make his mark by bringing out something fresh. This often means nothing more than that he attacks some received theory which is quite correct, in order to make room for his own false notions. Sometimes the effort is successful for a time; and then a return is made to the old and true theory. These innovators are serious about nothing but their own precious self: it is this that they want to put forward, and the quick way of doing so, as they think, is to start a paradox. ... Hence it frequently happens that the course of science is retrogressive.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer, "On Authorship"

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/10714/10714-h/10714-h.htm#li...

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by charlysl on Monday June 08, 2020 @01:24AM (#23453818)
... and by quoting Schopenhauer's beautiful prose instead of using your own words you are following his wise advice. Montaigne said something similar when confronted as to why he quoted Plutarch so often, replying that if he believed someone had already said something in a way that he couldn't improve, why on earth would he say it in his own words? I would very much have preferred to quote the great man himself of course, for this very reason, but couldn't locate this particular passage.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by dredmorbius on Monday June 08, 2020 @03:20AM (#23454339)
Very much.

This Schopenhauer essay resonates strongly with me, hitting on and unifying numerous concepts I'd been playing with. And saying it well.

Even in translation ;-)

I'm still upset that the University of Adelaide's book server was shut down, as it had a wonderfully-formatted set of the essays, shared recently to HN. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21386663

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by charlysl on Monday June 08, 2020 @10:23AM (#23456720)
... As for the natural faculties within me, of which my writing is the proof, I feel them bending under the burden. My ideas and my judgement merely grope their way forward, faltering, tripping, and stumbling; and when I have advanced as far as I can, I am still not at all satisfied. I can see more country ahead, but with so disturbed and clouded a vision that I can distinguish nothing. And when I venture to write indifferently of whatever comes into my head, relying only on my own natural resources, I very often light upon the matter I am trying to deal with in some good author, as I did just now in Plutarch, in his discourse on the strength of the imagination. Then I realize how weak and poor, how heavy and lifeless I am, in comparison with them, and feel pity and contempt for myself. Yet I take pleasure in the fact that my opinions have often the honour of coinciding with theirs and that I follow them, though far behind, proclaiming their virtues. I am glad too that I have the advantage, which many have not, of recognizing the great difference between them and myself. And yet I allow my own ideas to run their course, feeble and trivial as when I first conceived them, without plastering and patching the defects revealed to me by this comparison. A man must have strong legs if he intends to keep up with people like that. The injudicious writers of our century who scatter about their valueless works whole passages from old authors, in order to increase their own reputations, do just the reverse. For the infinitely greater brilliance of the ancients makes their own stuff look so pale, dull, and ugly that they lose much more than they gain.

Here are two contrary points of view. The philosoper Chrysippus dropped into his books not just passages but whole works by other authors, including in one instance the complete Medea of Euripides; and ApoUodorus said that if all that was not his own were to be cut out of his works the paper would be quite blank. Epicurus, on the other hand, did not introduce a single quotation into any of the three hundred volumes that he left behind him. I happened the other day to light on such a passage. I had been languidly following a string of French words, so bloodless, fleshless, and devoid of substance and meaning that they were just words of French and no more. Then at the end of this long and tiresome road I came upon a rich and lofty sentence which towered into the clouds. If I had found the slope gentle and the ascent somewhat gradual, it would have been excusable. But the rise was so sheer and precipitous that after the first six words I felt myself flying into another world, from which I recognized the depth of the abyss out of which I had come. So deep was it that I have never had the heart to plunge into it again. If I were to load one of my discourses with such rich spoils, it would throw too much light on the stupidity of the rest.

To censure my own faults in some other person seems to me no more incongruous than to censure, as I often do, another's in myself. They must be denounced everywhere, and be allowed no place of sanctuary. I know very well how boldly I myself attempt at every turn to rise to the level of my purloinings and to remain there, even rashly hoping that I can prevent the judicial eye from discovering them. In this endeavour my industry plays as great a part as my inventive powers. And then, I do not contend with those ancient champions in the mass and hand to hand, but only in repeated brushes, in slight and trivial encounters. I do not press them hard; I merely try their strength and never go as far as I hesitatingly intend. If I could hold my own with them I should be doing well, for I only attack them at their strongest points.

To cover themselves, as I have seen some writers doing, so completely in other men's armour as not to leave even their finger-tips showing; to compose a work from pieces gathered here and there among the ancients - an easy task for a man of learning who is treating an ordinary subject - and then to attempt to conceal the theft and pass it all off as their own; this is in the first place criminal and cowardly, in that having no private resources with which to make a display, they try to boost themselves with other men's wealth; and secondly, it is very foolish to be satisfied by gaining the ignorant approbation of the vulgar through trickery, while discrediting oneself in the eyes of the intelligent. For their praise alone carries any weight, and they turn up their noses at all this borrowed decoration. For my part, I would do anything rather than that. I only quote others to make myself more explicit. ...

- Michel de Montaigne, "On the education of children" https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3585/3585.txt

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by dredmorbius on Monday June 08, 2020 @03:25PM (#23459847)
Thank you!

Yes, that is beautiful, true, and illuminating.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by charlysl on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @02:16AM (#23464199)
Thanks for reading, I was a bit worried about posting such a long quotation, but couldn't bring myself to butchering this marvel, would have felt like cutting a master painting. Just like Chrysippus.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by cjonas on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:27PM (#23449431)
This drives me crazy! I hate searching for documentation and the top results are blogs containing outdated copy and paste of the official docs with some witty text and gifs.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by tmh88j on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:04PM (#23449741)
I've recently started using Express.js for a project at work, and I've never before encountered a seemingly popular framework/language with such frustrating content churned out by the community. Express's official docs have all the technical specs you could ask for, but the framework is very light weight without any structure and feels more like a library, sort of like Flask. I wanted to see what a typical app structure looks like, but just about every single "article" I found was either a copy/paste of the same app with everything crammed into one index.js file (routing, logic, db queries, etc...), or they were walls of text filled with occasional code snippets and didn't even provide a repo for reference. The community feels like it's targeting complete beginners with its simple examples, lengthy explanations of trivial tasks and extremely little coverage of architecture. My experience with Express felt like PHP 10 years ago with w3schools.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by aledalgrande on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:55PM (#23449646)
Or SO answers from 2011, pasting official docs.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by airstrike on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:53PM (#23449167)
> some junior developer's Medium post full of animated GIFs

Don't forget emojis! Such a waste of time! ⌛⌛⌛

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Swizec on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:44PM (#23449106)
As a programmer with some 20 years of experience who likes to write tutorials on original research and techniques — you can pry my animated gifs out of my cold dead fingers! All my life I waited for broadband to be widespread enough to write articles with rich embedded animations.

And yes, sometimes they only serve the purpose of entertainment or emotional tone setting. Other times they’re actual part of the content.

Gifs are great

Edit: you downvote and yet I often get comments appreaciating how the gifs make my 2000 word emails feel like a quick short read.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by tpmx on Sunday June 07, 2020 @06:16PM (#23451396)
> Edit: you downvote and yet I often get comments appreaciating how the gifs make my 2000 word emails feel like a quick short read.

I sampled your work. It's exactly what we're talking about.

I'm sure this works for you, financially and SEO-wise.. but.. maybe use 500 words and no gifs instead?

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Swizec on Sunday June 07, 2020 @06:53PM (#23451764)
I often do.

My point is that this stuff doesn’t have to be boring and dry. It’s okay for content to reflect having fun when you’re having fun.

Even my college professors used jokes in their lectures.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by tpmx on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @12:24PM (#23467996)
It's not the jokes I'm against - it's that monetizable/SEO-style writing, where everything is repeated twice or thrice, and there's loads of filler text.

Actually, let me change my mind on the GIFs. Keep the best ones.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by azeirah on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:28PM (#23449438)
Go you! I love high quality written content with a lighter tone. I find it incredibly difficult to focus on dry tests because of my ADHD.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Swizec on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:56PM (#23450244)
Thanks! I actually study fiction writers and standup comedians to help me write/speak better. It makes a world of difference
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by anoncake on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:23PM (#23450959)
Me too, especially when they're accompanied by moving pictures.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Nasrudith on Monday June 08, 2020 @02:28PM (#23459255)
Animated gifs and even infamous features like the "blink" tag are just tools. They need to be used properly.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by ryan29 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:39PM (#23449070)
There's so many bad examples online that I can't imagine trying to learn development from scratch these days.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by MattGaiser on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:16PM (#23449354)
If it runs, it ships!

It shouldn't be this way, but it frequently is.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by itronitron on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:11PM (#23450369)
The Medium articles are a lot more entertaining if you read them out loud with a strong 'Valley' accent.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by AlexCoventry on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:41PM (#23451111)
Yes, this is happening even at the code level, resulting in a flood of modules/packages with shallow capabilities.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by magnetowasright on Sunday June 07, 2020 @10:32PM (#23453036)
> Medium post full of animated GIFs and a pseudo-tutorial...

It's almost like trying to find recipes on the internet in the age of SEO and 'personal brand building'.

To get to the content you want (ingredients and method), you have to scroll through a mess of unrelated, low quality, insincere blog-like content with pictures etc..

When you actually find the recipe, half the method (always the bits you don't bloody know) is interwoven into the irritating blog content or on a separate 'blog' entry page entirely.

By the time you realise there's nothing of value and decide to turn back, it's too late; they've already won. You've given them a page view, interacted with the site, and maybe their ads have loaded, too.

At least you can find good cookbooks in op shops! Tech books are great, but they're not always the best resource when you're curious about a tool and want something like an implementation or configuration guide, or a post-implementation review.

I have random blogs to thank for clear guides with great explanations on implementing and configuring loads of things, like early versions of webpack. It seems that in only a few years, quality content has rapidly become so much harder to find amidst the mass of low quality SEO bait.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by hn_check on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:43PM (#23449102)
That's an interesting, albeit selfish, perspective.

Experienced developers usually aren't busy writing blog posts. Nor are they engaged on HN. As the old saying goes, those who can are out doing, those who can't `teach'.

This touched a nerve, but sorry it's spot on. The more faltering the career, the less certain the skills, the more likely the person has a vigorous social media and blog presence.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by hn_check on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:01PM (#23450284)
Given the great reception this has received, let me give an example, and one of HN's great "successes" - patio11.

Guy made a tiny, miserable little service that would have made more money if he worked at Walmart. He was the seer who provided day after day of front page content for this site, the "fake it till you make it" ruse in full effect. Because his product was so miserably unsuccessfully he instead put all of his effort into blog posts and "lessons" for people to follow, and the suckers lined up.

People with actually successful products were just off being successful.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by alibarber on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:29PM (#23449451)
Uggh - this!

Maybe I'm so used to it for programming queries, but I've gotten back into electronics and ham radio after a long time, and have always dreamed of owning a decent oscilloscope. Googling 'good digital hobbyist oscilloscope' just now was a frustrating waste of time. It's just pages and pages of regurgitated specs and affiliate links, no useful _actual_ reviews or anything...

Take this top 10 result. It's on Medium which is new and hip and nice so must be of high quality...

https://medium.com/@Amyperlman/best-buying-oscilloscope-for-...

Oh cool, hmm ok - what else does the author write about? "Things to consider before buying a camera for hunting" - "Drug Rehab for Married Couples" - <<Several>> Reviews for a particular line of vaccum cleaner, Baltimore Security Cameras and Interior Design in India. I mean sure they could genuinely have diverse interests and a chaotic and international personal life - but these articles are just keyword stuffing for another bunch of 'content' that will helpfully let you 'check the price on Amazon' for just about anything...

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by gregmac on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:52PM (#23449621)
Even though I generally prefer reading to watching, I've found in the past few years that YouTube is better for reviews, and I think it's actually because of this.

If you don't actually recognize the channel, you can usually tell if it's worthwhile by subscriber count, the other (types of) videos they've posted, and usually just by watching for tens of seconds. Most paid reviews seem to say so (unlike written blogs), and you can judge their bias appropriately. Plus for many things, seeing it in action is much, much better than written descriptions or (carefully chosen) pictures.

For example, it's hard to disguise a crappy oscilloscope UI in a video (and if the reviewer doesn't show that, be suspicious!)

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by learc83 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:11PM (#23449823)
Youtube is better, but over the last few years, I've noticed that it's getting harder to find decent reviews, because the algorithm recommends so many fake review channels. It's better than a google search, but there's still so many terrible results to sort through.

Youtube's algorithm encourages video farms that upload frequently even if they recycle content. Ann Reardon discusses this problem as it relates to recipe video's frequently on her cooking channel.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by polytely on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:32PM (#23450537)
You can still get hoodwinked by youtubers[0] who (to the untrained eye) look like they know what they are talking about but are actually grifters[1] wasting your time

[0]: Siraj Raval (700k subscribers!): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWN3xxRkmTPmbKwht9FuE5A

[1]: https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2019/10/16/why-siraj-ravals-...

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by weinzierl on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:45PM (#23450135)
> Even though I generally prefer reading to watching, I've found in the past few years that YouTube is better for reviews[..]

My pet theory why YouTube is better is that there is no incentive to make videos longer. Blog post end up bloated and thin on real information because it is considered good SEO and apparently Google really tends to rank longer articles higher. Same is true for tech books, which are often bloated because the author has to reach their target page count.

YouTube videos seem to be mostly as long as they need to be to tell the story they want to tell. This is not universally true for video content though. If you look at online learning platforms, like Udemy for example, you can find many courses that spread an hour worth of content over typically five or six hours. My fear is that Google will someday decide to make the length of a video a ranking factor and we will have the same bloated videos on YouTube too.

> Most paid reviews seem to say so (unlike written blogs), and you can judge their bias appropriately.

Producing decent video content is much more elaborate and expensive than written reviews. My suspicion is that on YouTube paid reviews are even more common than on blogs and the norm is just not to mention it. Doesn't mean they are useless of course, just as you wrote "judge their bias appropriately".

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by gregmac on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:55PM (#23451227)
> My pet theory why YouTube is better is that there is no incentive to make videos longer. [...] YouTube videos seem to be mostly as long as they need to be to tell the story they want to tell.

I don't think this is an accident: YouTube apparently ranks based on watch time / retention, so if you make your video too long and people don't watch to the end it hurts you.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by neutronicus on Sunday June 07, 2020 @07:06PM (#23451871)
Ha. I strongly disagree.

Any kind of machine maintenance video has so much preamble, when what I'm really after is like 25 seconds of silently accessing the part, pausing to circle stuff in red, and narrating stuff that's hard to see from the video

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by monocularvision on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:54PM (#23450215)
The first paragraph:

> Best Oscilloscopes are not a common field where people would choose to spend their spare time relaxing. However, analyzing and measuring signals might be an interesting fact for most engineers or people looking for complexity, isn’t it? That’s what we actually thought about before doing our research.

Reads like it went through Google translate twice.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by alibarber on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:01PM (#23450274)
Google's own tools make flooding their main moneymaker with junk easier and more accessible. There's something in that but I'm not sure what...
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by yawaramin on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:01PM (#23450781)
Actually, that looks like a filled-in template with some relevant keywords for content marketing.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by marcodave on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @05:14PM (#23470979)
> _______ are not a common field where people would choose to ________ . However, _______ might be an interesting fact for most _____ or people looking for _____, isn’t it? That’s what we actually thought about before doing our research.

The king is naked!

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by mindslight on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:59PM (#23450263)
Some search hits are deeper than others. Specifically, forums. EEVblog comes to mind. Figure out the spectrum of specific brands/models, then read and watch some reviews.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Stratoscope on Sunday June 07, 2020 @07:02PM (#23451849)
That Medium page on is hilarious! I recommend it if you are into oscilloscopes and want a laugh. My favorite parts are the opening paragraphs and the list of Key Points for each scope, which include:

• Available only in Grey. [Rigol]

• The color available is Grey. [Siglent]

• The devices comes only in blue. [LIUMY]

Yes, one of the main things I look for in a scope is what color it comes in!

• Works with both laptop and desktop PC. [Hantek]

Uh, why would any USB device not work with both a laptop and desktop PC?

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by devit on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:00PM (#23450265)
Google should ban all sites with Amazon affiliate links from its search engine.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by umvi on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:26PM (#23448932)
Or when you want to compare two products and the top result(s) are just auto-generated pages that dump the stats/spec of each product side by side. I hate that so much. I want to read what a human who has tried both thinks.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by weinzierl on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:56PM (#23449666)
There was a time when searching for "A vs B" produced useful results. Nowadays a search like this is completely useless. I wish those auto-generated sites would completely disappear from the search results.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by devit on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:01PM (#23450289)
Appending "reddit" to the query or doing it on Reddit directly can often return usable information.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by MaxBarraclough on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:09PM (#23449286)
It's surprising Google doesn't downrank such pages.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by abacadaba on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:36PM (#23449034)
the worst
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by bartread on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:38PM (#23449520)
> I believe part of problem is Google SEO.

This and the fact that Google search is actually as dumb as a sackful of hammers.

Don't get me wrong, for the longest time Google's results were "good enough", but Google has no real concept of the quality of a result (they've tried and it worked for a while - e.g., PageRank). Still, fundamentally their algorithms aren't smart enough to figure out whether any given piece of content is intrinsically worthwhile.

That's really important in a world where most content is, regardless of Google's guidelines, primarily written for the benefit of GoogleBot, to harvest clicks or drive traffic.

Unfortunately Google has literally zero incentive to change this situation (because they're making an insane amount of money off the back of the status quo), so they won't[1].

Logically then, the time is ripe for a new search engine to disrupt but the problem - that of determining intrinsic worth - is really hard to solve, so as yet nobody has, and Google still reigns supreme as the most popular search engine.

[1] It is also possible that I'm being too harsh here: they might be trying to change it - perhaps because they're worried about eventually being disrupted - but, as noted in the following paragraph, the problem is REALLY hard.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by jacobobryant on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:05PM (#23449754)
> Logically then, the time is ripe for a new search engine to disrupt but the problem - that of determining intrinsic worth - is really hard to solve, so as yet nobody has

I'm sort-of trying to solve this with a recommender system approach.[1] Search isn't my primary objective; I'm mainly focusing on the case where you want to be made aware of relevant information on an ongoing basis but you aren't necessarily looking for something specific.

But that involves building up a ratings database of lots of different URLs. If it becomes really popular, I'd like to experiment with search. It could start with a "normal" search algorithm but then adjust the results based on rating data. E.g. "the top result for this query is X, but people with similar rating data to you always down vote that link, so we'll move that result down".

I've heard people complain about how Google gives you personalized search results sometimes, but I'm not sure if the approach is actually bad. Perhaps it could work if it was focused on from the start instead of bolted on.

[1] https://findka.com

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by bartread on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:15PM (#23450888)
Interesting. I'd thought about some sort of meta-search service running over Google, Bing, etc., and aggregating results, that was tied in with some way of rating recommending URLs.

I've never got around to doing it and one of the reasons (excuses) is that I haven't yet figured out a way to stop bad actors exploiting it by, e.g., mass downvoting URLs of competitors. I did think about some sort of moving average, or bias toward more recent votes, which would at least somewhat mitigate against transient actions of this kind, but it's harder to deal with a sustained attack like this.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by jacobobryant on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:51PM (#23451196)
I've thought about that a fair amount also. I think the key is personalization. If bad actors downvoted a bunch of items, it would only affect people who already shared a lot of similar votes with those actors.

That is still exploitable: if I know you like A, B, and C, (perhaps those are popular items), I could also upvote those items and then downvote another item D. I have an idea for countering this: keep track of history. So instead of just measuring ratings overlap ("of items you've both rated, 75% of items were rated the same"), you keep track of the performance of recommendations made from that user ("of Alice's items that we recommended to Bob, Bob upvoted them 25% of the time").

I haven't thought about this super deeply yet, but I think to beat that, you'd have to actually provide valuable data to the system in the first place.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by jacobobryant on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:59PM (#23451251)
To generalize that a bit, I guess I'm talking about a reputation network. You could visualize it with a directed graph that has edges weighted from -1 to 1 (0 default). Recommendation + rating history is used in some way to assign those weights, and then future recommendations are taken primarily from other users who have high weights from your perspective.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by polytely on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:52PM (#23450699)
Quick question about findka, Is the idea to only upvote/downvote things you have actually experienced and liked or dislike, or do you also upvote/downvote things you don't know but like or dislike?

I would think the first case would result in way better data (which is why (I think) last.fm recommendation system is so good), but the latter case seems to be the natural thing to do, humans love to judge shit without actually engaging with stuff.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by jacobobryant on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:05PM (#23450819)
Mainly the former. Ideally you've experienced the things you've rated, but in many cases you can probably judge fairly accurately if you're interested in something based on a short description.

That brings up a key point which I'm not sure is clear to users or not: voting on items specifically means "this is/is not a good recommendation for me". It's not a judgment on the goodness of the item in general. So if findka showed me e.g. an article on pottery that looked high quality, I'd probably still downvote it since I'm not into pottery.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by polytely on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:18PM (#23450922)
I think that is not really communicated in the current design, reminds me of the ratings on Netflix where they are intended as "Our estimation of this contents rating for you based on your viewing history" while most people I talked about it just thought it was the rating of the thing in itself.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by jacobobryant on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:44PM (#23451141)
Good to know, any suggestions for making it clearer? Maybe thumbs up/down is the wrong labeling; perhaps something like "show me more like this" and "not interested"... though I have no idea what icons I would use for that.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by polytely on Monday June 08, 2020 @05:23AM (#23454998)
Might even be a good idea to just have text labels, I think just icons are way overrated in design.

[I hated this] [I'm interested in this] [I liked this]

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by tomxor on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:53PM (#23449627)
What I don't get is how SEO isn't countered by unvisiting... By which I mean navigating back to the google search, I always assumed that would be a clear indicator to google that it's not what the user was looking for.

Maybe this does happen but it not weighted highly enough against SEO.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by CM30 on Monday June 08, 2020 @04:47AM (#23454815)
Probably because both 'what the user was looking for' and 'why they left the page quickly' are complex issues.

For instance, quite a few times I'll open a page in Google's results, scan the content and go back to compare it to another result. That doesn't necessarily mean I hate the first page or think it's terrible, just that I wanted to see what it had to offer.

It can also mean I did find the answer there, and am returning to Google to search for something else instead.

It's tough to distinguish cases like those from 'the content was bad' and 'the content was not what I was looking for'.

There's also the worry that it might end up hurting user incentives too, or alter the way in which users browse the internet as a whole.

After all, since finding out that YouTube rewards/punishes creators based on watch time/how much of the video someone watches, I'm now hesitant to even watch many videos at all, since I know some guy's career might potentially be put on the line.

Perhaps Google worries other people will be the same, and stop clicking as many results knowing that Google might punish the affected websites for not staying long enough.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by jason0597 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:45PM (#23450648)
A lot of times I middle click any interesting links I find on Google, in which case it becomes hard for Google to know if I unvisited a site. It's not like they can track me clicking the Back button on my browser and arriving back to the search results
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by bartread on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:34PM (#23451057)
I've no idea whether they do this or not but it's easy enough to know when a tab or window is focussed or not. I have a games site and use this to pause/unpause games, music, etc.

They could hook this into Google Analytics and subtract the time you spent with that tab/window not focussed from your session duration.

I do fundamentally agree that session duration may not be the worst proxy for worthwhile content or, at least, engaging content, snd I think Google may use it as such.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by anthony_romeo on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:07PM (#23448781)
Or those fake how-to tutorial pages. Often when I’m looking up, say, error codes in Windows, I need to wade through pages of “Step 1: Download the MyNewFreeComputerCleaner.biz app”
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by tuyguntn on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:13PM (#23448834)
after working at couple of startups, I also noticed worrying trend.

* 21 years old marketer writing about life crisis in 40s

* fashion blogger explaining is Teflon harmful or not (come on, fashion and chemistry?)

* 18 years old student who never immigrated to another country or studied abroad writing about how difficult is immigrant life and what to look for in different country and many more similar content.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Carpetsmoker on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:31PM (#23448986)
About 5 years ago I attended a local code meetup and someone gave a presentation about this new TypeScript thing. He basically just explained the basic syntax, concepts. etc. A bit boring, but not the worst I've seen.

Then in the Q&A someone asked a "In our experience, we've had problems with X, what's your take?" (I've forgotten what X was specifically), and the guy replied with "well, actually, we haven't really used it yet, we're just looking at it".

So ... he basically just read the TypeScript "getting started" tutorial, transformed it to a presentation, and had no real knowledge of TypeScript.

The entire talk seemed pretty useless to me. I don't even know how accurate that presentation was, because there's much more to using a language effectively than the basic syntax learned from a glance at a tutorial page.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by mrisoli on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:07PM (#23449267)
This seems very common in JS land, I once saw a talk in a conf which seemed very basic, later on I stumbled onto a tweet about how the speaker often submits abstracts to CFPs often not knowing much(or at all) about the subject, which serves as motivation to learn and talk about it, works well after having a track record of speaking at events some conferences you can get invited or not have to prove yourself so much to get accepted to speak.

Then I was looking at other conferences lineups and saw many repeat speakers from that same conf, often with the same talk, turned me off quite a bit from going to any more conferences, lots of the same, basic content, with not much expertise behind it.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Carpetsmoker on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:53PM (#23449632)
In general I find presentations at conferences not all that interesting; I've been to conferences where I've not attended a single presentation. There are some good talks, but they're not common. Giving a good presentation requires a few different skill and some practice – I'm not good at it either.

The value is mostly in hanging out with various people. The best experience has generally been when I went alone and met loads of new people, instead of going with coworkers or friends and then just hang out with them. Not that's not fun either, but I can do that next weekend anyway.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by maps7 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:37PM (#23450066)
How did you meet people if you didn't go to the talks?
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by yawaramin on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:04PM (#23450805)
You meet them in the hallways outside the talks.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Carpetsmoker on Monday June 08, 2020 @12:47AM (#23453643)
Yeah, pretty much. At this one particular conference there were actually loads of stands in the hallway and I would hang out and chat with various people there.

The more professionally organised ones don't tend to have that many stands, except for paying sponsors. I understand why they do that, but I think there's good value in "community stands" too.

I mean, the talks themselves are just "shut up and listen", right? Not too much socializing happening there. I think that revolving the entire conference around presentations is probably not always the best format.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by maps7 on Monday June 08, 2020 @02:27PM (#23459250)
At the conferences I went to it looked like most (80%) shuffled from one talk to another. The hallways were for walking to different talks. You could potentially talk in the queue to get in or out of a talk but no one talked to me at all.

There was a big space for vendors to have stalls but if you talked to them it was like talking to a sales person. Sometimes they had a tech-oriented sales person but it was still selling you their product.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Nextgrid on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:03PM (#23449732)
I feel like this is not specific to TS or JS but any of these modern technologies that are popular and attract beginners.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by watwut on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:11PM (#23449822)
It takes quite a lot of time to prepare talk and it is not like they would pay all that impressively.

So I think that repeated talks and intro talks are to be expected. Through I did not mind them, I used them to get idea about new thing X while I have time set aside for learning.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by ghaff on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:09PM (#23450845)
>It takes quite a lot of time to prepare talk and it is not like they would pay all that impressively.

Most tech events don't in general pay for speakers or any travel. (Keynotes, scholarships, etc. are among the sometimes exceptions.)

I rarely literally re-use a presentation slide for slide but many presentations I give are based on an earlier presentation I gave. In most cases, a different conference is going to be a mostly different audience. In general, it doesn't make a lot of sense to just dump a presentation because I gave it once to a couple hundred peop,e.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by cmdshiftf4 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:00PM (#23449209)
>The entire talk seemed pretty useless to me.

To you. On the flip side, it provided an introductory level overview of a concept many watching/attending may not have looked into themselves, or were thinking of looking into. It also provided a different form of introduction, which could be valuable for attendees with a learning style preference different to that of look-at-a-how-to or check-out-the-docs.

>the guy replied with "well, actually, we haven't really used it yet, we're just looking at it".

Hey, at least he was honest and didn't try to bluff his way through an answer, as many in our industry will.

Overall, depending on the audience and context, it sounds like it may have been worthwhile for many attendees. Plus he got to work on his soft skills, and doing so with such vulnerability could inspire others to also.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by ShroudedNight on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:31PM (#23449463)
If I go to a talk about a piece of technology, I expect the presenter to have enough experience with it to be able to provide me with a means of determining where I am situated in said technology's landscape, and what frame of reference is required to evaluate how to move about that landscape.

It doesn't matter how eloquent and thorough the introductory tutorial is, if the presenter has not experienced the technology sufficiently to have accumulated a few scars[1], they will not have the ability to convey the relative importance of the various aspects of the introduction, with which can be modified simply as a matter of taste, and which should be followed unless very careful consideration of global engineering context, and a full appreciation of the consequences.

If you are unable to meet that bar, at the very least, your abstract should make that abundantly clear out of respect for your audience.

[1] or at least have the experience to say that normally they would have expected to get bitten by something by their point in usage, but the technology meets their requirements so thoroughly that it has been particularly smooth sailing.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by yawaramin on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:06PM (#23450828)
Well this talk was at a local Meetup so presumably the attendees got what they paid for. If you expect a high-quality talk I'm sure you would shell out an appropriate amount of money for it.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Carpetsmoker on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:28PM (#23449436)
I attended exactly because of those reasons. The problem is mostly that actually explaining a language (even from a high-level overview) well is a bit more involved than just explaining the syntax and the like.

For example I currently mostly work with Go, and if I would give a high-level presentation about Go I'd start with the "tour of Go" tutorial, but I'd also add some context to some things, explain where you need to be careful to avoid problems, and emphasize the usefulness of other things that may not be obvious at a glance. That kind of stuff. I think the presentation format is a great way for doing that.

A beginning JavaScript programmer might explain the "with" keyword, which would be a mistake. I have no idea if the presentation contained any mistakes like that.

I don't work much with JS, and I haven't looked much as TypeScript since, but I didn't really learn all that much more than what I already knew: "TypeScript is JavaScript with optional typing".

Was it useful for others? Maybe; I hope so. But for me personally I consider it a wasted hour in my life.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by cmdshiftf4 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:42PM (#23450625)
>Was it useful for others? Maybe; I hope so. But for me personally I consider it a wasted hour in my life.

Is this not true of most tech meetups / tech conferences though? I feel like they all carry an implicit YMMV with them, which attendees know when deciding to join.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by jcims on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:39PM (#23449073)
I can barely speak in front of a crowd on something I’ve got 20 years experience in.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by nitrogen on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:47PM (#23449125)
This is still something I really can't wrap my mind around. What is the key difference in early life between people who will speak authoritatively regardless of competence, across the spectrum to experts who can't or won't? I don't think Dunning-Kruger explains it because it's not like every shy expert used to be a gregarious beginner.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by bryanrasmussen on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:07PM (#23449271)
I have seen lots of talks by experts about the technology they're experts in, but I have seen lots of the other kind as well.

I think Dunning-Kruger is part of it, but also excitement.

If you are the expert you probably got that way by putting in a lot of time, you are at any rate older than when you started out and you may be in fact be quite older than the average developer, often older people do not have the same enthusiasm and excitement for things (although sure there are many that do) so that cuts down the number of people who have experience who also have enthusiasm for getting up and talking.

Getting up and Talking means doing work for it, if you have kids you may not want to do that work unless your job is one where you have to do it. So if you are an older expert with kids but not employed in an evangelist role you probably are not going to go out and do talks.

The expert in a subject may see so deeply into the subject that it is difficult for them to express the gee-whiz aspects that will attract other people. Those who know more are not necessarily able to express that knowledge in an interesting way.

The expert may have lost interest in the matter as they gain in expertise, or they may think things that others will find amazing and interesting to be so obvious and trivial as to not be worth expressing.

For these reasons it may be that talks on a subject are preponderantly given by those with less than expert mastery of the subject.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by watwut on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:17PM (#23449888)
I think there is some personality difference, but also one of values.

Do you think or feel it is shameful for you to give introductory talk? Did you grew up in environment where such thing was mocked or did you grew up somewhere it was praised? Do you think it matters super much if someone in audiemce looks down on you or are you rather motivated by single person that likes you?

Do you think you need to be super awesome experienced speaker to make first public talk? Are you ok having public talk with primary purpose being to learn doing public talks?

These imo make the difference. It is not like there would be lines of experts wanting to talk.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by runawaybottle on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:11PM (#23450866)
It’s called being shameless. I hate to be that one sentence reply, but why beat around the bush here?
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by maps7 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:36PM (#23450058)
I know someone who does this and people lap it up. I've heard other people refer to his expertise too many times for my liking.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by xellisx on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:38PM (#23449522)
If I can find the content online and not have to deal being around of bunch of people, I'll just save my money.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by runawaybottle on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:09PM (#23450848)
The bigger question would be why didn’t that person feel any shame in giving that presentation?
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by TeMPOraL on Sunday June 07, 2020 @05:08PM (#23450843)
That's content marketing. It's the poster child of bullshit. If the people from your examples actually wrote their pieces, it's already above average. In my experience, from working a desk away from a few social media marketers, the usual case is copy-pasting from other blogspam on the same topic.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by MattGaiser on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:20PM (#23449376)
You go on Upwork and you will find all sorts of requirements for artificial content.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by arp242 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:49PM (#23449138)
The internet is a big bucket where everyone drops all sorts of stuff in. Some people drop in gold nuggets, sometimes even diamonds, many other people drop in less valuable materials, and some dump in a torrent of bodily fluids.

Our current solution is to rely on magical black box algorithms to give us the diamonds, but it's been creaking for a while.

I'm not sure how to make this better: one person's turd is another person's diamond, and people trying to game the system will always be a problem.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by vbezhenar on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:17PM (#23449356)
Old school links might be a solution. I remember back in the day those blog websites which contained "links" page to the websites that owner likes and recommends. It's true P2P solution and does not require anything to invent. If you own a website and know some rare but valuable gems, just share them. Someone will find them. I think that's how Internet should really work.

As a side effect, it should really help Google and other search engines to rank those websites. External links of good quality still the best SEO.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Carpetsmoker on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:43PM (#23449558)
Yeah, I actually maintain such a list on my own site. I should update it more often though.

I think the biggest problem isn't so much find "hey, that's a cool article"-type of content, but typing in [programming concept] in Google. What I want to find is things like in-depth experiences and advice regarding this which complement the manual. What I actually find it loads of "howtos" with "copy this" which just rehash the manual.

Results vary a bit depending on [programming concept], and I don't think simple "getting started with"-articles are completely useless either. But generally speaking, there are too many of them, many of them are not of high quality, and it obscures more in-depth content.

I'm not sure if maintaining a list of links would really solve that. Perhaps community projects like "awesome-foo"-lists have some potential here, but in practice I've found many of them to be dumping grounds rather than carefully curated.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by ricardo81 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:32PM (#23449475)
Yes. Many website owners are too scared to link out because they're worried it'll penalise their rankings in Google. If you have hundreds of outbound links they can also be a pain to manage since so many domains get recycled into something else.

But I fully agree, people should be creating their own ecosystems with links, rather than keeping huge portals happy.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by monadic2 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:36PM (#23450063)
Honestly, I wish I could just remove commercial results from google as part of the query. Some terms are essentially now useless because the first N pages are just ecom sites. Google definitely knows which sites are commercial because they’ve been pushing product metadata for about a decade now and serve ads for the same clients....
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by rdiddly on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:20PM (#23449377)
Of all the people who got all excited that the internet would "democratize information," most seemed to be thinking on the demand side. And it did come to pass, but very few seem to have anticipated that it would democratize the supply side too. Turns out the much-maligned elitism and gatekeeping of the past were actually performing (with imperfect fairness perhaps) the quality-control function they always purported to be performing.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by monadic2 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:42PM (#23450106)
> Turns out the much-maligned elitism and gatekeeping of the past were actually performing (with imperfect fairness perhaps) the quality-control function they always purported to be performing.

Do you have an example? I’m getting strong “century of the self” vibes from this post.

If you’re referring to “fake news”, you should also acknowledge that the current protests across the nation would not exist at all without social media. People who want to characterize the effects as monolithically positive or negative leave me scratching my head, and I certainly don’t want to return to getting all my news via AP.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by rdiddly on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:34PM (#23450555)
I don't get the reference. Worry less about "vibes," I guess would be my advice. And consider that if someone says "brown cows eat grass" they're not trying to describe the entire universe; they're actually taking it as a given that your brain will work hard enough to remember that non-brown cows, and non-grass-eating cows, and even brown, non-grass-eating cows exist and have their own stories that are outside the scope of this one.

"Once upon a time, Little Red Riding Hood was going to go to..."

"NOT ALL RIDING HOODS ARE RED AND FRANKLY I OBJECT TO ANYONE WHO MONOLITHICALLY TRIES TO SAY SO AND I'M GETTING A VIBE... SEIZE HIM!"

To teach yourself programming in 1990 you would've gone to a bookstore or library, that employed a buyer/curator, who bought from a distributor, who bought from a publisher, who bought from an author, who probably also dealt with an agent and an editor. Other than the author and his/her own desire to produce something good, there were 3-5 other layers in the process, 3-5 other entities making the decision, should we submit this, should we publish this, should we distribute this, should we buy this and devote shelf space to selling it. Each of those steps is a gate through which only a limited quantity can pass, so whatever else it actually means, the book you pick up off the shelf in 1990 has passed through all those gates. Nowadays excellent and shitty writers alike are free of that.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by monadic2 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @07:19PM (#23451954)
It's hard for me to see society being able to self-critique via social media as a bad thing—newspaper headlines have certainly been exploiting the same linguistic tricks you point out for centuries. I don't see why it's bad to return the favor and build a culture that isn't represented by legacy/traditional/whatever media.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by rdiddly on Sunday June 07, 2020 @10:43PM (#23453100)
I'm not saying it's bad; there are good & bad aspects of everything. I don't even know if something can "be bad" or can "be good." Everything is both. It's the dual nature of reality. The tao symbol has light & dark, touching each other & wrapped around each other in a dance, and furthermore there's a dot of the light inside the dark and vice versa. One thing lives right in the center of its opposite. Feckin deep I know rite? A wheel carries loads and runs people over. Babies are cute and pains in the ass. Democratization of information means more democracy in information which means less aristocracy in information, I mean it's as simple as that. (And democracy and aristocracy each have good & bad aspects.)

The thing putting a negative spin on it is that at least in this author's opinion, "Most tech content is bullshit." I'm saying maybe that's because now we have access to the bottom 90% too along with the top 10% that we already had. (There was bullshit in the old days too of course, but it was usually found coming out of someone's mouth as opposed to in a book that someone bothered to spend money to print thousands of times. Although there are exceptions there too! It's death by a thousand disclaimers up in here!)

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by ozim on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:28PM (#23449437)
My solution for this problem: 1) stop trying to learn from random blogs, get a book. Books are still out there and you can learn just as good from them now as 20 years ago.

2) Get a subset of blogs to follow and stick to it. If you want to search in specific sites google has "site:" operator, you can search on specific sites.

3) by following 1 and 2 you can easily stop visiting shitty blogs made only for SEO, when they won't see any traffic they will fold because they will see no one is caring about what they write.

I am in process of implementing that. Got some books from humble bundle in topic that I am interested in, so no browsing crap until I get through those.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by user00012-ab on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:01PM (#23449712)
The main reason books are better is because they are harder to write and produce. The person making the book actually has to invest a lot of their time in making it happen, unlike a blog post.

I've seen lots of articles on hacker news (and other places) that is "PART 1 of..." which does the introduction to what they plan on teaching, and then it just dies right there in the land of "PART 1's"

With a book, if you stop at part 1, no one is going to publish your book.

Another thing about books/web, is books go MUCH deeper into topics. It seems like 99% of the content on the web is "INTRO to xyz" but never "Advanced xyz"

Books are also broken into logical section so you have a learning path you can progress through; not just random content that you are to piece together yourself.

So, yes, very good advice; if you want to learn something, read the book.

blog posts are more just advertisements for buying an actual book.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by mdoms on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:48PM (#23449583)
Unfortunately today a lot of the good content is hosted on the same domains as the terrible content. This is one of the many great downsides to content centralization.

If I read a really great piece of tech content it's not going to help me to use that domain in a site: query later when it's so often going to be medium.com or dev.to (which is starting to fill up with this same kind of bullshit content in the article).

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by weinzierl on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:17PM (#23449895)
>"1) stop trying to learn from random blogs, get a book. Books are still out there and you can learn just as good from them now as 20 years ago."

Many books are not much better. While blog posts are bloated for SEO purposes, books are bloated to reach their target page count.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by clarry on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:54PM (#23450709)
And they often assume the reader is a complete novice, which means a lot of pages are wasted on obvious yada yada and then there's less space for genuinely interesting deep stuff that you'd only learn from an expert (or through a lot of practice and trial & error).
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by chrisweekly on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:50PM (#23449146)
I think the solution (or at least a big part of it) is the resurgence of real blogs. When real developers write deeply technical posts about their experiences, on their own sites, everybody wins. Discovery is an issue, but there have been a number of HN threads recently on ways to mitigate this. Webrings, blogrolls, RSS... there was never going to be a super-convenient or efficient way to generate a high-quality, high signal-to-noise ratio set of sources. But curating your own preferred set of such sites, and making a habit of taking and publishing dev notes on your projects, and participating in the blog revival, is a step in the right direction.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by dgellow on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:46PM (#23449119)
IMHO the worst is that lot of young people actually consume, like and share that SEO/marketing stuff and spread it around without much thoughts. That’s the most popular dev content you will find on dev.to, medium, YouTube (for some reasons dev related videos became huge last year), and other publishing platforms. They don’t just generate useless content, they in fact have a public for it, thus little reason to stop.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by disgruntledphd2 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:31PM (#23449465)
My life became a lot better when I stopped reading towards data science (on Medium). It was just so much terrible tutorial content which was not only wrong, but actively misleading.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by beckingz on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:34PM (#23450035)
What are your sources for data science news?
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by disgruntledphd2 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:56PM (#23450731)
Books if you need to learn a topic.

Papers if you need to keep up with a topic.

I used to follow statsblogs, but that's dead now (the collection, most of the blogs still exist).

Anything that isn't covered in these forums probably isn't important enough to worry about.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by zepto on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:56PM (#23449185)
It’s fair to say that a Google has completely failed at its mission to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by MattGaiser on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:26PM (#23449425)
No, they organize the world's information. It is just that the information changed to be more easily organized by Google.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by saalweachter on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:11PM (#23450368)
Give Sturgeon's Law some credit here.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by aledalgrande on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:14PM (#23448840)
It is an even bigger problem when searching for advanced/niche concepts: try searching for Redis and Cloudwatch (not Elasticache, plain Redis) and you will get generic AWS docs and "How to get started with Redis" posts.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by hashberry on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:13PM (#23448827)
And social media (including LinkedIn). There are many tech firms who hire marketers to write tech content for other marketers and potential clients as an advertising and brand-building strategy.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by aledalgrande on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:00PM (#23449702)
I think this problem expands to tech meetups. It is very difficult to find a quality meetup. Most people never used the tech and the presenters make gross errors. Most recent I remember was a person trying to explain why GraphQL is good for APIs, while showing code with crazy N+1s. Certainly didn't convince me.

I'm not saying everyone should be an expert, but I would want the whole spectrum of experience represented. Now I don't invest time in meetups any more.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by watwut on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:04PM (#23449743)
Meetups cater almost exclusively to younger people who want to learn something and socialize.

I don't think it is particularly wrong, but more experienced people tend to be older and less likely to have inclination or time to prepare talk or go to pub every week or so.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by hinkley on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:08PM (#23449283)
It feels like if you changed the nouns we could be talking about movies. We are, some of us at least, on our guard when a movie has a huge advertising spend because we have been burned by movies where, "all the best parts were in the preview".

Do you think it would be possible for us to have any transparency into how hard a web page has been 'advertised' and use that to inform our decision processes? I've no idea what that would even look like.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Animats on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:47PM (#23450665)
"Now, literally everyone is trying to do SEO and use lots of words in articles, kind of creating content, but in reality copying from someone else and modifying a little and trying to get lots (of) back links."

That's the real problem. There is a market for short-form clickbait crap. One can make a living writing that. There is not much of a market for long-form accurate technical material.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by PopeDotNinja on Sunday June 07, 2020 @03:54PM (#23450216)
Confluent's marketing content for Kafka does an amazing job of making Kafka sound like the solution for every problem. I have a hard to understanding what it can actually do because the content is stuffed with so much selling and adjectives.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by toomuchtodo on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:03PM (#23448752)
“Content marketing”
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by behnamoh on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:04PM (#23448758)
"bullshit marketing"
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Carpetsmoker on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:39PM (#23449069)
I don't think all content marketing is bullshit. There are some companies that produce some pretty nice content, for example some of the in-depth Cloudflare stuff, but others as well.

It's useful and interesting, but also content marketing.

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by alephu5 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @04:05PM (#23450321)
Digital ocean write some really good articles too.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Nextgrid on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:31PM (#23448987)
What we used to call "spam".
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by staycoolboy on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:09PM (#23449288)
To paraphrase Gary Larson, "We know it is bullshit, but what kind of bullshit?"[1]

Marketing is fact mixed with coercion.

But this is about plagiarism.

The author of the article, in just under 800 words, is addressing the "copypasta" nature of a specific discipline: programming. I like the author's characterization of lazy or necessary plagiarism as "consumer" mentality. That's an interesting twist.

Was this not the 1970's American Auto Industry attempting to implement Japan's earliest implementation of lean manufacturing? Is the same to be said of any "ripoff" product that cheaply imitates the original: e.g., an off-brand version of an Eames Lounger, or cheaply made webcam off Amazon which is a faulty copy of a Logitech?

His observation is a reflection of complex constraints, and while I completely agree individuals should strive for a deep understanding and mastery of what they spend their lives doing, as it benefits us all directly or indirectly by making us conscious citizens (my opinion), I think this is a largely metaphysical reflection lacking contextual nuance rather than a call to action: we've all been in the shoes of his hypothetical individual committing the sin of programmer consumerism, and for good reason.

However, I do appreciate the clarity his transformation applies to a scenario we are all intimately engaged in.

[1] "We know they are idiots, the question is, 'What kind of idiots?'"

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by layoutIfNeeded on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:04PM (#23448762)
Everything goes to shit when marketing is involved. Or more like, everything goes to shit when money is involved.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by Koshkin on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:16PM (#23448853)
That's true, of course, but consider this: if there is no money, there may be nothing to go to shit; that which does not live, does not die, etc.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by catalogia on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:57PM (#23449191)
There was in fact content on the internet before the advertising craze. Sometimes people write things because it earnestly interests them, not to make a quick buck.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by nlitened on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:11PM (#23448812)
Google incentivizes this. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by catalogia on Sunday June 07, 2020 @06:43PM (#23451675)
Nobody is making the player play the game. There are plenty of other ways to spend your time than advertising on the internet.

"Hate the player for choosing to play the game."

Re:Most tech content is bullshit by nuclearnice1 on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:17PM (#23448866)
Did the poster even name a player?
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by RestlessMind on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:20PM (#23448886)
Wall Street incentivizes Google to do this. Don't hate the game, hate the meta-game?
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by kortilla on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:33PM (#23449001)
Wall Street has no say in the matter. The voting shares are majority held by the founders.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by reaperducer on Sunday June 07, 2020 @01:28PM (#23448951)
Google chose to be beholden to Wall Street. It could have chosen to remain private and had a better chance of not harming society.
Re:Most tech content is bullshit by paulcole on Sunday June 07, 2020 @02:20PM (#23449384)
You do realize it was tech bros and not marketers who invented Google SEO right?