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Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by JeffL on Monday April 27, 2020 @11:43AM (#22996899)
I tried Adwords for search again recently after several years. There was a decent number of clicks, and the cost per "action" seemed very reasonable, where for me, the action is clicking on the download link from the landing page to download the installer for our game. The only problem is that tracking the IP's, 90% of the traffic from Adwords that downloaded the installer never actually ran the installer. Organic traffic usually has much more than 50% of the people who download it, run it. Is it a bunch of robots driving clicks and then clicking randomly on links on the landing page? Seems really suspicious.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by es7 on Monday April 27, 2020 @02:06PM (#22998287)
I run Google Ads for a mobile app I own.

If I try to optimize for download volume, that's all I get - bots after bots. Can rack up thousands of downloads for <10 cents per download without any impact on how many users actually use or rate the app.

I found that getting a good ROI required setting higher price targets and optimizing for in-app actions. That's really hard to do well and not very reliable, but it helped.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by 3princip on Monday April 27, 2020 @03:42PM (#22999209)
Excuse my ignorance, I know nothing about running these ads.

How does a bot know whether you've optimized for download volume or in-app actions? I don't understand how a bot would know to download the app to fulfill your requirement?

Furthermore, what is the incentive to write and operate these bots? Genuinely curious. The only party with an incentive to do this would be Google, no?

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by tlarkworthy on Monday April 27, 2020 @04:21PM (#22999583)
App owners who make money off serving ads are incentivized to do this (and have frequently been caught doing this).
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by cameronc56 on Monday April 27, 2020 @06:44PM (#23001001)
If anyone's interested, the term is called click fraud - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_fraud
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by droopyEyelids on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:15PM (#23001307)
A FTP game can do a TON to encourage people to download apps that'll never be opened without committing clickfraud.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by AndrewGreen on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:44PM (#23001583)
Gosh I'm old. Spent a while there trying to figure out how File Transfer Protocol could be relevant to clickfraud.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by geerlingguy on Monday April 27, 2020 @09:00PM (#23002137)
Ah, me too. For those still confused, "Free To Play"
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by nocman on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @01:57AM (#23003885)
Well, don't feel bad. I did the exact same thing, except I had the benefit of your post and its anscestor replies, so I wasted less time.

You don't have to be old -- we still use FTP all the time at my job. Of course, whenever we have a say we use some secure variant, but you don't always have a say (no matter how much you yell, grumble, sermonize about the dangers of insecure tech, etc).

Of course, you probably meant you feel old because "FTP" didn't immediately register to you as "Free To Play". Well, I can't help you there, because by that standard I guess I'm pretty old too.

:-D

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by smolder on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @08:53AM (#23006470)
I usually see it written F2P for free to play, which cuts down on ambiguity.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by wil421 on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @08:57AM (#23006496)
I thought the same. An FTP game? What have I been missing.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by Tepix on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @02:33AM (#23004099)
The correct acronym is F2P, not FTP for „free to play“
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by edeion on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @09:26AM (#23018825)
Please, let's bring back sharewares instead of this mess. Unplausible, I guess. Impossible, I'll hear. Whatever.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by jlbnjmn on Monday April 27, 2020 @03:51PM (#22999287)
The bot doesn't know, but the ad platform is optimizing for similar traffic.

So if bots are more likely to click download, and bots have similarities, bots see more ads.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by jmckib on Monday April 27, 2020 @03:47PM (#22999254)
I was thinking the same thing, only google has an incentive to do this and it would be too risky for them, legally and to their reputation. Either this isn't happening as much as people think it is, or some third party has an unknown reason to be operating bots like this.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by Waterluvian on Monday April 27, 2020 @04:15PM (#22999540)
Another guess at a third party reason: bots adding noise to their behaviour. "If I go clicking on everything, it'll be harder to know what my actual target was."
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by jlbnjmn on Monday April 27, 2020 @03:53PM (#22999310)
Competitors have a strong incentive to click each other's ads.

Google has a strong incentive to let them.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by drenvuk on Monday April 27, 2020 @04:24PM (#22999610)
That's false. The one area where I'm sure google doesn't mess around is with their ads division. They spend a proportionately large amount of money combating fraud to prevent erosion of confidence and most importantly accuracy in their main money maker.

If you've ever taken a look at the number of conversions fb ads provides vs google ads, you'd know this.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by alexpetralia on Monday April 27, 2020 @05:38PM (#23000409)
Agreed, especially where most of these clicks can be carefully audited and reconciled by the advertiser, it would make no sense for Google to threaten its reputation and primary money maker.

Edit: that being said, this does not seem to hold for Facebook, and I don't have a good reason why.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by Nebasuke on Monday April 27, 2020 @06:06PM (#23000656)
Google has a stronger incentive to not let them.

Google's advertising business is built on trust. The moment there are a few scandals involving fake/robot ad clicks, big advertisers will remove their ad campaigns.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by prepend on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @06:48AM (#23005667)
Google is the only organization with the data to show this happening at scale and they don’t have incentive to connect all the one-off anecdotes.

So while it is risky, not sure how they could be caught. I don’t think they are running click fraud bots, but it’s hard to quantify how hard they work to stop them.

A friend of mine estimated that 1/3 of ad spend is click fraud but it’s just in the wash because it’s hard to stop.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by Gustomaximus on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @02:00AM (#23003904)
> Can rack up thousands of downloads for <10 cents per download without any impact on how many users actually use or rate

I'm assuming you use display for this pricing? If so build a white list of acceptable sites or avoid display. Running open network is always waste of cash in y experience, especially mobile devices.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by ryanSrich on Monday April 27, 2020 @01:02PM (#22997644)
Only time I’ve ever used AdWords we got a lot of sign ups, but all from very random Gmail accounts. They were all bots. I either don’t get how AdWords works or it’s entirely useless for SaaS businesses.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by nmfisher on Monday April 27, 2020 @08:25PM (#23001933)
I had exactly the same experience the handful of times I've used AdWords.

I also just released my app on the Play Store a couple of weeks ago, and had exactly the same thing within the first 48 hours - a bunch of suspiciously similar Gmail accounts, none of which had actually used the app (I know this because no backing accounts were made in the database).

The only conclusion I can make is that there's huge amounts of fraud, but the average advertiser either doesn't know about it, or their advertising ROI is high enough that they can simply eat fraudulent clicks as the cost of doing business.

I've said it before, though - gut feeling is that internet advertising is long overdue for a reckoning.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by dx034 on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @02:21AM (#23004030)
Sure it was bots or just people signing up with throwaway accounts to get something for free? When I don't trust a page but have to provide details I always use fake data, doesn't mean a bot has filled it out.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by leoplct on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @02:07PM (#23009925)
Me too. I had same experience. A lot of fake sign ups from random email.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by z3t4 on Monday April 27, 2020 @04:35PM (#22999758)
I've had issues with ads on Adwords, where 99% of the clicks where from bots. However, 50% engagement after a signup or download is normal! For some reason users signup or download stuff without thinking, like an web reflex of some sort. Sadly 50% of people will have no idea what to do after signing up or downloading. You can however get this number up to 90% if you have a simple, clear and easy instructions what to do after downloading it!
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by ethbro on Monday April 27, 2020 @06:22PM (#23000804)
I would not be surprised if > 10% of people are unable to figure out where they downloaded it.

The Downloads folder is a scourge that never should have been allowed to exist.

Where should something be after I request it be moved to my machine? On the default view! (Aka Desktop)

Why? Because I literally just interacted with it!

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by phreack on Monday April 27, 2020 @06:46PM (#23001018)
Seriously. I have yet to find a non-techie user whose Downloads folder is not a complete mess, and why would they even know to organize it, it's so hidden from regular view. Many would just re-download things they might have already downloaded.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by tempestn on Monday April 27, 2020 @06:57PM (#23001154)
Why would you need to organize your downloads folder? I just leave everything I download there until I have a reason to clear it (like low disk space, reinstalling the OS, upgrading the drive, etc.) Unless I'm down loading a file that I want to move somewhere else of course. But installers and things that get downloaded to print and all kinds of things like that just stay in the DL folder because why not.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by justanotherc on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @08:00AM (#23006156)
Just imagine the complete mess their Desktop would be if the OS sent downloads there, lol.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by ethbro on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @12:35PM (#23008709)
That's the point. A mess in plain sight is a mess that gets resolved.

Microsoft seemed to think shoving everything into a junk drawer was a better solution.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by snowwrestler on Monday April 27, 2020 @11:36PM (#23003076)
Download discoverability is a harder problem than it seems to solve. People may go a long time without seeing their desktop, because it is covered by windows they are interacting with. If they're not familiar with what is on their desktop, they would not easily recognize a new icon that shows up there.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by gas9S9zw3P9c on Monday April 27, 2020 @02:58PM (#22998782)
I've tried AdWords for a couple of projects and have had very similar experiences. It has always been a total waste of money for me and I'm having a hard time believing that it's actual people, i.e. potential customers clicking on these things. The behavior of the people coming from AdWords is always completely different from those coming through other sources, as if they just clicked on it by accident or as if they're just bots.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by joking on Monday April 27, 2020 @06:03PM (#23000638)
thats entirely dependant on the volume, when you expend 6 million, you problably are going to loose a lot of money to bots, but you are going to recup the looses from other clients. When you expend very little money, the bots can easily get all the budget.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by ghufran_syed on Monday April 27, 2020 @08:43PM (#23002031)
Maybe I don't understand how ads work, but this sounds like "lose money on each sale but we make it up with volume"...
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by idunno246 on Monday April 27, 2020 @09:47PM (#23002451)
more like lose money on most but make up for it later. bots are just an unfortunate fact you have to amortize into your costs.

Let's say you see 75% bot traffic. You make $10 per actual user. If youre spending $2 per action with 4 actions, you burn $6(75%) on bots, $2(25%) on a real user($8 total), and get $10 - netting $2. So you're making money, but wasting more.

So, let's say you set your targeting to completely exclude the bots. Great, you spent $2 and made $10, netting $8. The problem though is you ruled out 90% of your traffic - you have false positives on whether its a bot so you exclude legit users(all of this targeting is fuzzy rule based). You can 10x the traffic with bots, making $20, but you cant 10x the perfect targeting, so youre stuck with $8.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by Gustomaximus on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @01:58AM (#23003893)
Few questions;

- When you say Adwords for search, you mean google.com and not display right? I see a bunch of what you describe across the display network any would only recommend running white-listed sites if doing the latter as there is much encouragement of fat finger and kids who press anything etc here.

- Are you allowing search partners? Id going google search I would strongly recommend sticking to google only as there is often more dodgy around partners but this is auto included in setup.

- What kind of KW and variance: Again assuming search, who big are your KW lists and negatives? Apologies if asking the obvious but is this consistent via KW?

- Geographic restriction: Have you broken the effect down geographically? This can lead to huge variance, and to a letter extent times your running.

- Are the ads pushy? Google and some people will put a bunch of effort towards you getting higher click through but fight that. You need to stay withing bands but too many ads are for an off the cuff example; 'Amazing game that will blow you away" gets clicks whereas you'll perform better by setting expectation with the boring 'Download and install this game' as your headline type thing... naturally if bots it wont help.

Game install can be tricky, from what I've seen it's competitive and low margin which is a challenging start point.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by JeffL on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @03:22AM (#23004393)
Back in 2004-ish when I was having a lot of success with Google ads, it was display ads across their partner network as well as search ads. Recently only text ads on Google.com for search, PC desktop only.

It's the same big giant list of keywords I used to use, something like 200 long, which I optimized a lot at the time. Not a lot of negatives, though.

USA and UK only this go around.

I don't think they are pushy. Yes, I noticed in the past that honest, informative ads seem to work the best, especially since I used to do CPC, so no reason to trick people into clicking who really aren't interested.

I'm sort of in a weird position where some of my metrics seem really good, monthly ARPU of $9.86 and churn 1.5%, I just can't figure out how to get people in the front door any more.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by capkutay on Monday April 27, 2020 @04:04PM (#22999418)
Try adding more good friction to your user acquisition funnel. If someone really wants to try your game, have them sign up with a valid email.

It seems counter-intuitive 'Why would I add more work for people who want to use my product?' - but the truth is you're just creating more work and wasting resources qualifying poor leads (in your case bots).

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by lancesells on Monday April 27, 2020 @04:09PM (#22999473)
Agreed. It's should be about the quality of leads not the quantity. I've seen it happen with Facebook Lead Ads where those are almost worthless because of the ease to sign up.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by colechristensen on Monday April 27, 2020 @04:11PM (#22999504)
There's always invisible recaptcha, which does nothing unless it has a high suspicion of being a bit.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by nullc on Monday April 27, 2020 @04:39PM (#22999793)
Invisible recaptcha silently and randomly breaks your page for prudent users who run umatrix to cut down on tracking/spyware/malware garbage.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by slivanes on Monday April 27, 2020 @04:51PM (#22999902)
But I would think they would not have seen the ad in the first place?
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by colechristensen on Monday April 27, 2020 @05:23PM (#23000209)
Yeah, it's something that would only need to be put on the landing page for the ad, not elsewhere (until you're worried about bots creating accounts on your platform for other reasons)
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by sida on Monday April 27, 2020 @01:19PM (#22997805)
Is it possible to track the action inside the installer itself?

e.g. each install contains a unique slug, when the installer is opened you use the unique slug to know where it is coming from?

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by JeffL on Monday April 27, 2020 @01:51PM (#22998132)
We temporarily track with IP addresses. When someone goes to the landing page, we temporarily record the IP address and where the traffic came from, and then if they actually run the installer within a few days, we link up the install with the source of the traffic.

Edit: The installer checks our server to make sure it has the most recent version, and that's where we compare IP's.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by jwdunne on Monday April 27, 2020 @03:32PM (#22999117)
If you can store the AdWords click ID on the server with the IP, you might be able to use your matcher to record the install as a conversion. AdWords should start optimising for installs vs downloads. But if you can carry over to some kind of in app purchase, I’d do that too, using avg value of an install as the install value and then any of the in app purchase values as the conversion values.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by robk on Monday April 27, 2020 @03:42PM (#22999213)
Think we filed a patent but it's possible to do this server side to inject a string into a payload area without affecting the integrity of the binary (can't recall how we did it but search patent search for my name at Google)
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by a_imho on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @07:38AM (#23005992)
Is it required to communicate to users their IPs are used to track them?
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by llarsson on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @07:59AM (#23006152)
If you ask GDPR, then yes[1].

[1] https://gdpr.eu/eu-gdpr-personal-data/

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by a_imho on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @08:11AM (#23006217)
Regarding GDPR, shouldn't it be opt-in without forcing them to agree, clearly presented to the user and not hidden behind checking for updates to be compliant?
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by codegladiator on Monday April 27, 2020 @01:44PM (#22998063)
You can probably fingerprint the machine and send it back ?
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by wodenokoto on Monday April 27, 2020 @12:17PM (#22997221)
How many steps are there between clicking the ad and downloading?

Don’t underestimate fat-fingering

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by JeffL on Monday April 27, 2020 @12:31PM (#22997348)
The only prominent thing to click on from the landing page is the download link, and the ads are only showing to desktop users.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by dx034 on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @02:23AM (#23004040)
Maybe people don't know how to open it? Some websites exactly show users where to find the download afterwards. With Firefox, downloads pretty much disappear. In Chrome they're a bit more visible but easy to overlook. You could also trigger false positives with antivirus software preventing users to open it. There are a lot of reasons why users might click download but don't install or run the software in the end.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by raverbashing on Monday April 27, 2020 @02:16PM (#22998386)
Webscrapers maybe?
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by 101404 on Monday April 27, 2020 @12:35PM (#22997398)
Do people still download "setup.exe" files from random sites on the Internet and run them on their PCs?

Maybe a link to some sort of "app store" (or whatever its called on Windows) would be more convincing?

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by Aaronstotle on Monday April 27, 2020 @12:48PM (#22997515)
Yes, the Windows store is pretty awful and I feel like most Windows users have been installing software this way for a while (myself included).

I believe all of my current software besides games were installed this way.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by mchristen on Monday April 27, 2020 @12:42PM (#22997455)
To answer your first question, yes, quite a bit.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by taneq on Monday April 27, 2020 @11:34PM (#23003058)
Yes, because there's no real choice. Only installing from an app store adds a little protection, but not much. The fundamental issue is the design of desktop OS' security models, which are focused around protecting local users from other local users, not around protecting local users from untrusted software.

(More than happy to hear suggestions for easy-to-use sandboxing for desktop software. The whole situation makes me quite uncomfortable.)

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by Negitivefrags on Monday April 27, 2020 @05:11PM (#23000068)
Not throwing away 30% of your revenue is a pretty good reason to still allow people to download your product from a website.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by invalidOrTaken on Monday April 27, 2020 @12:40PM (#22997444)
...yes.

(I should probably change my ways.)

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by winkeltripel on Monday April 27, 2020 @01:27PM (#22997890)
(Microsoft could allow the store to be less terrible)
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by anchpop on Monday April 27, 2020 @04:00PM (#22999376)
What's terrible about the store?
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by Tepix on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @02:35AM (#23004106)
You can digitally sign your executables to increase trust.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by XCSme on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @11:51AM (#23020635)
I had the same experience with both Adwords and Facebook ads, all clicks were from bots: https://www.reddit.com/r/marketing/comments/4smisl/facebook_...
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by FpUser on Monday April 27, 2020 @11:44AM (#22996927)
Same here. Found Adwords totally useless ROI-wise
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by dsun179 on Monday April 27, 2020 @11:52AM (#22996986)
Same here. Legend says your clicks become cheaper after spending $6M.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by jansan on Monday April 27, 2020 @12:18PM (#22997239)
They don't. I spent around $2M from 2003 to 2015 and clicks became steadily more expensive and useless. The advice from their "experts" usually resulted in more spending with lower ROI. Eventually we stopped using Adwords. Google obviously didn't even notice or they just didn't give a shit, as they never contacted us to ask why we stopped using AdWords.

You cannot imagine how great AdWords was in 2004. It was much more transparent and easier to use, and the ROI was just incredible. Their success at that time was more than justified. Not so sure about today, though.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by JeffL on Monday April 27, 2020 @12:35PM (#22997389)
Yeah, in 2004, I could get a new paying user from Adwords for $35. Since about 2007+, the cost seems roughly infinite no matter how I try to tweak it.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by TAForObvReasons on Monday April 27, 2020 @02:19PM (#22998413)
is that an indictment of adwords or the state of the browser ecosystem (where potential customers are running ad blockers or otherwise avoiding ads)?
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by Nextgrid on Monday April 27, 2020 @02:32PM (#22998551)
It could very well be that real users are disregarding ads (either with technical solutions such as blockers or by just ignoring them) and fraud has picked up the slack so that overall the number of clicks hasn't changed but the ratio of real user to fraudulent user has changed significantly.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by stevespang on Monday April 27, 2020 @02:01PM (#22998243)
Never trusting Google, I always used prepaid credit cards to fund my adwords purchasing. When Google finally caught wind of this, and could not just run wild with a "real" credit card like other horror stories I read - - they sent me a notice saying no more prepaid cards. So I said, see ya later Google Adwords, and guess what, even without any ads I have the same gross revenue, but without the expense of Adwords.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by malwarebytess on Monday April 27, 2020 @12:57PM (#22997599)
But excellent for affiliate link abuse. :]
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by LunaSea on Monday April 27, 2020 @12:53PM (#22997559)
If you still have the (anonymised) IP addresses I can tell you if the downloads was coming from bots or not.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by SXX on Monday April 27, 2020 @08:21PM (#23001905)
How will IPs help you? Nobody is running those bots using datacenter IPs.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by martindevans on Monday April 27, 2020 @01:07PM (#22997707)
How can you anonymise an IP address? Given that (as I understand it) an IP address is considered personally identifying information under GDPR.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by ruialmeida on Monday April 27, 2020 @01:25PM (#22997880)
Google Analytics can do this by setting the last octet of IPv4 addresses and the last 80 bits of IPv6 addresses to zeros.

Reference: https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/2763052?hl=en

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by nabeards on Monday April 27, 2020 @01:52PM (#22998138)
I thought this wasn’t true unless you had other data to aid in linking the IP address directly to the person (in http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&doc...).

So unless you have additional identifiers, an IP address by itself isn’t enough.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by dkersten on Monday April 27, 2020 @05:17PM (#23000147)
That’s not how I interpreted the ruling from the case you linked, although I’m not a lawyer:

Article 2(a) of Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 24 October 1995 on the protection of individuals with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data must be interpreted as meaning that a dynamic IP address registered by an online media services provider when a person accesses a website that the provider makes accessible to the public constitutes personal data within the meaning of that provision, in relation to that provider, where the latter has the legal means which enable it to identify the data subject with additional data which the internet service provider has about that person.

Additionally, from a cursory read, it appears like they are only talking about dynamic IP addresses anyway, but you, as a service operator, have no way of knowing if an IP is dynamic or static.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by nabeards on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @01:51PM (#23009749)
This is the key: ...where the latter has the legal means which enable it to identify the data subject with additional data which the internet service provider has about that person
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by sdenton4 on Monday April 27, 2020 @01:19PM (#22997806)
Imagine you walk into a grocery store and pick up a rewards card to save N%. To get it, you have to give a phone number. If you write down your phone number, you've handed over some PII. If you write down a fake number, it's still legally PII, but has been anonymized, so the store won't be able to find you.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by martindevans on Monday April 27, 2020 @03:02PM (#22998830)
The original comments was about detecting if a given IP is a bot or not - I assume they probably can't do that given 32 random bits!
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by LunaSea on Monday April 27, 2020 @03:44PM (#22999231)
You can simply truncate the IP address and remove the last block (byte).
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by bravura on Monday April 27, 2020 @04:50PM (#22999890)
Just curious if you can contact me or, better, put contact information in your profile.
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by qiguai on Monday April 27, 2020 @01:58PM (#22998210)
Did you use an advertorial or a webinar to properly whet their appetite so that any task even beyond installing would have been begged for by them?
Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by rsp1984 on Monday April 27, 2020 @05:10PM (#23000053)
Sorry for my ignorance, but wouldn't that be an indication of, you know, fraud? And if it were, would it even matter if it were Google's bots or someone else's?

I never really understood how Google could ever guarantee that ad clicks are real and not fake, as any sufficiently sophisticated robot will have click patterns that are indistinguishable from humans. I bet designing such sophisticated robots is an industry on its own.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by alexpetralia on Monday April 27, 2020 @05:41PM (#23000440)
I suspect this would be easily gamed by careful experimenters.

For example, could you build a page that bots could navigate to, but would be really obscure for a person? Would that generate a substantial amount of clicks? Sure, the bots could adapt (i.e. not click on obscure pages), but that would take time to learn, and until then, they would screw up and fall into the honeypot.

If that has ever happened in the history of Google, you'd think someone would have publicized it.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by flatTheCurve on Monday April 27, 2020 @04:04PM (#22999417)
Thinking the same is true for Facebook ads.

Got a bunch of phone numbers that wanted our service. Only 1 person was interested, but didn't sign up.

Re:I Spent $6M on Google Ads Last Year by Spooky23 on Monday April 27, 2020 @05:34PM (#23000348)
For a nonprofit entity that I am affiliated with, we had a very high engagement (free) Facebook presence that eroded over time as organic posts get crowded out.

So you end up boosting or wasting money on ads. In my (limited) experience, ads weren't effective for us as they were too local and the audience was limited. Boosts were effective but expensive.

The funny thing was the our highest conversion paid event advertising was the old fashioned newspaper.