At the beginning of the trade war, one of my fav NYT columnist remarked Trump was the opponent Chinese deserved, despite being pretty anti-Trump in all other regards, and had being promoted globalization for decades.
Last week, there has been a surge of articles on the Chinese websphere, describing how impotent the western authorities were when dealing with COVID-19, implied superiority of the system/culture. However, in spite of the height of nationalism, there were articles in Chinese mainstream called for respect and understanding, and they would probably never be reported anywhere in the west, after all, not news-worthy.
I thought COVID-19 would have brought us closer to deal with the unknown in front of all of us. We blew it. welcome to the era of 2nd cold war, if we are lucky enough.
But what's the point? By claiming moral high ground the argument goes nowhere. the question really is, do we fear/hate each other more than we need each other?
The point is that, apparently, you think "meddling in a Civil War" and harvesting organs from prisoners are morally equivalent. I'm not even sure what to say about that.
I can tolerate some inter-nation sabre-rattling, spying, hacking, propaganda, election meddling, maybe even the odd annexation or assassination. Although they are not necessarily things I would approve of, I consider them politics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...
Because there's one narrative in China, folks, and this douchebag knows what it is.
But seriously, don't buy what he's selling.
The only narrative China needs right now is its victory lap. It's nearly stopped new cases. Xi visited Hebei/Wuhan.
The comment above is wishful thinking of the highest order, and perfect projection. It's Western media and nincompoops like this clown who seem to need to play the "blame game"
China got on with solving the problem. Now they're taking a victory lap and responding to requests to help overseas. The Chinese, if they are blaming anyone, are not blaming foreigners for this, they're blaming the Hebei provincial authorities for their initial mistakes in handling it.
Because they've been successful at containing a virus in the largest country on Earth, they don't need to play the blame game. It's slow-to-act and complacement Western-style governments that are in desperate need of a finger of blame to point at anyone but themselves.
Countries and citizens remember where the virus comes from, like they do for SARS and it they will put pressure on their governments to move production elsewhere.
Fortunately, for China, the country is starting to have enough local consumption that it probably doesn't need to be just an export hub any more (but undoubtedly it will hurt).
Edit: this will, I predict, hurt Western companies & shareholders as well. I expect many companies to be much more rigorously stress-tested for supply chain and/or labour issues, similar to how banks are stress-tested for credit issues. This will mean thinner margins, lower profits.
Your well constructed arguments about resilience will fall on deaf ears come bonus time.
Crises are how rising powers become dominant powers - WW2 was the crisis that propelled America past UK to become the worlds dominant power.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-...
The Soviet Union only collapsed some 30 years ago. The CCCP was literally the model that the CCP is based on. Don't be naive.
Edit: I spoke too soon. Alas, you've been spreading this contagion in other threads as well—including shockingly bad-for-HN comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587177. Therefore I've banned your account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email [email protected] and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
I hope everyone understands that we ban users not to punish anyone, but to protect the site. If people give us reason to believe that they sincerely want to use HN as intended, we're happy to unban them, and do that all the time. Also, we make mistakes sometimes—because moderation is guesswork—and appreciate being told when we do, so we can correct them.
https://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2015/naming-new-d...
For example, https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html says "Coronavirus (COVID-19)". So does https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2....
The point: WHO has moved away from geolocated names. https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-has-a-name-the-deadl...
China is a country, not a race.
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Uyghurs/Tibetans are targeted due to their religion. The PRC ideology has no room for religion that puts Entities above nation. Uyghurs themselves have long history of rebellions to the point that nobody knows who started the tit-for-tat incident: the Uyghurs? the Han?
You can have a long-winded argument but if you don't understand their history, culture, and 1 billion problems they have, then you don't "get" why their mindset is like that just like 'Murica with their guns and their "freedom of expression".
You've done a lot of damage with flamewar comments in this thread. I'm banning most users who did that. I'm not going to ban you, because you've been a great user in the past and have a long history here. But please read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22606977, stop now, and don't do any more of this.
Also the lab in Wuhan has leaked at least one SARS strain in the past.
>They're no more responsible for the virus
Do you understand the conditions of the ubiquitous meat markets in China? Do you realize how easy it is for pathogens to spread when you stack wild animals in cages on top of each other, torture and butcher literally everything, wild animals off the street, in open air and on the literal ground?
The reality is that most of China is third world. Sorry, sometimes specific cultural practices are harmful to people and societies.
This is a pretty common theme with black markets in general, on that note. See also: black market drugs being "cut" with harmful substances, black market sex labor being a vector for human trafficking and STDs, black market medical procedures being more susceptible to adverse outcomes, etc.
There are other good reasons to not eat exotic mammals, of course (i.e. if doing so puts species at risk of extinction), but the sanitation issue seems solvable.
These wildlife markets are a particular problem. But virologists (see: Pandemic on Netflix) highlight not just the wildlife trade be our enormous animal agriculture production as an explosive situation.
There's a reason you can find so many videos online of Chinese people torturing animals. There is a belief in China (and to a lesser extent in other nations like Korea and I believe Vietnam) that making animals suffer pre slaughter makes the meat tastier. And honestly it isn't a stretch that adrenal hormones released just before death can influence the flavor or texture of meat, but I don't know if that justifies cruelty...
https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=south+korea+bokna...
Fortunately, the two support each other, because if you're right, expressing your view in a thoughtful way makes the truth more apparent to others, while fulminating and attacking enemies merely alienates everyone who doesn't already agree with you. You end up discrediting the very truth you're advocating for. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
There is evidence for this.
NOTE: before you dismiss the source, notice that it is merely a commentary on a collection of individual sources that you can verify yourself. Now I do not agree with the conclusion in the link below, that this is a deliberate bioweapon, but there is ample circumstantial evidence here to at least presume that the virus could have leaked from the only level 4 biolab in China, which happens to be less than 10 miles from Wuhan. It's likely they were conducting legitimate research, all I'm pointing out is that the evidence for this actually coming from China is pretty good.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-steal-coron...
It's no less legitimate than a bunch of links on a Wikipedia page. Don't be lazy and dismiss this because you don't like the political leaning of zerohedge.
>Russian disinformation site
But we're just going to believe everything out of China without a second thought right now?
Everything in that link, all the suspicious relationships, all the published research (arrested smugglers have published on coronavirus very recently) is verifiable. Don't be lazy.
Everyone is trying to find a culprit to pin the blame on instead of looking at their own shortcomings.
Experts have been warning us for years than something like this coronavirus was coming, and we got several alerts (SARS, MERS, etc). The Chinese cannot be blamed for the global spread of the virus and for the lack of readiness of other countries.
Let's focus on defeating this virus through global cooperation instead of pointing fingers. Once this pandemic is behind us then hopefully everyone will reflect and learn what can be learned from it.
This scenario of someone eating an infected, exotic animal is just blatant racism.
I keep hearing they have contained it, but I also get reports that they haven’t. Also, something needs to change for their policies to not impact the rest of the world in such drastic manner.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Iamactuallyverybadass/comments/fhju...