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Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by BLKNSLVR on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:28AM (#50479629)
How many Microsoft employees are working on this? It's concerning that one of the biggest, most valuable companies on the planet, that runs services internationally, can have one of its primary services have gone down for this long.

6 hours ago they seemed to not exactly understand what the problem was, and that was 6 hours into the outage.

This is concerning.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by karlkloss on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:30AM (#50479642)
How may Microsoft employees are left anyway?
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by phoronixrly on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:21AM (#50480089)
The lights are on but there's no one home
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by rdtsc on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:55AM (#50480356)
The wheel is still spinning but the hamster is dead.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by theflyingelvis on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:12AM (#50480514)
Your mailbox is not your own
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by wolfi1 on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:50AM (#50480323)
I guess the old light bulb jokes about MS will not be applying anymore
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by micw on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:34AM (#50479676)
> How many Microsoft employees are working on this?

all 3!

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by digikata on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:03AM (#50480438)
They're more effective than ever because with this outage, ever manager above them can't email to ask for status every 5 min
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by pferde on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:11AM (#50480506)
Alas, Teams are working, or at least the chat and voice call portions of it. So managers are in a calling and chatting frenzy right now, pulling every body else in.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by kakacik on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:34AM (#50480736)
search in teams doesn't, very convenient for our Windows team to be unreachable for those of us still on WFH
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by motionlessveloc on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:22AM (#50480591)
Fortunately they can still ask on Teams!
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by guessmyname on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:34AM (#50479677)
> How many Microsoft employees are working on this?

Yes.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by DarkCrusader2 on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:46AM (#50479792)
I don't understand why they haven't asked copilot to fix it yet, make no mistakes.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by mint5 on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:57AM (#50479888)
Don’t be silly, they tried that but copilot is/was down!

That’s why it’s taken over 12 hours now, no one’s left that knows without copilot’s help.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by pjmlp on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:53AM (#50479852)
Let me put this way, the Visual C++ standard library has officially one FTE working on it, everything else are open source contributions.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by ctmlr on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:15AM (#50480043)
Maybe acting like jerk-offs got them to four trillion but there are consequences to burning all your social capital. A large camp of software developers have genuinely hostile feelings towards Microsoft, I would bet that this affects the quality of talent they can hire and these are downstream affects.

Lately it seems like more non-techies are souring on the company.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by sterlind on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:17AM (#50480062)
talent they can hire? large swaths of the company have been in a hiring freeze. they just sent 25% of the company voluntary severance offers.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by rsalus on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:31AM (#50480179)
they've still been hiring, just on an attritional basis - headcount has remained flat for a few yrs now. it is pretty clear though that they want to operate even leaner.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by mihaaly on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:01AM (#50480424)
Jerk-offs can skim the profit of going big yesterday while the consequences affect everyone, but only in the future of yesterday. Who does such things, one might ask? Jerk-offs, off course. And PE too (likely not a disjoint set).
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by kakacik on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:10AM (#50480498)
Was there ever a time when this was not true? M$ was always among top hated companies since 90s, arrogance, fuck-U to users all around, absolutely ignoring any standards larger than them, and famous 'Embrace, extend, and extinguish' which was pathetic to watch for any engineer worth 2 cents.

Top notch user experience peak was Windows XP and every subsequent release was massively larger, clunkier and slower while requiring way more resources, was spying on the users more and more. Office has similar story, peak of usability was maybe 2007 with ribbon introduction (which still a lot of power users hated with passion since it was far from clean design, more seemingly designed by committee of marketing guys).

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by sznio on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:21AM (#50480582)
>A large camp of software developers have genuinely hostile feelings towards Microsoft

which, besides hatred, manifests in malice, like Nightmare Eclipse. I wouldn't be surprised if this outage was an engineer leaving a parting gift, using a bug they probably knew of for years but management didn't allow them to fix.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by bravetraveler on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:28AM (#50480673)
If it's anything like Corps where I've worked, routine tasks like 'secret rotation' can be made so bureaucratic that it's impossible to tell the difference between malice or oversight.

We're... how many decades in? When I still did SRE work, I was pulled into no fewer than three dozen incidents because outsourced labor confused assets from TICKET-123 with those from TICKET-321. Target avoidance plays a part, and as layers are put on, mistakes become more likely. I guess it's a form of an XY problem, too.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by aslihana on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:27AM (#50482561)
Agree. I was having suspicions around that
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by bix6 on Friday November 13, 2026 @09:16AM (#50483828)
Wow Nightmare Eclipse is fascinating. It sounds like he is operating in a gray area and could be charged if Germany really wanted to?
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by lelanthran on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:30AM (#50481378)
I've been hearing that since 2002, at least.

Enterprises have been failed time and time again by poor MS products, but techies will steadfastly refuse to move off it, so the business has no option.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by disgruntledphd2 on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:49AM (#50482776)
> Enterprises have been failed time and time again by poor MS products, but techies will steadfastly refuse to move off it, so the business has no option.

My suspicion is that lots of the companies are so attached to all the MS stuff (and that's what their staff know), that it would be an incredibly large lift for them to move off it.

Like, I'm at a very windows/azure focused shop now (for the first time in my career), and literally everything is already on MS, or moving towards MS.

There are some good reasons for that, and some bad reasons, but I suspect that most of the sales process happens at the executive level, rather than the technical level (and Excel runs the world, so why not let MS do everything else?).

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by fifticon on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:53AM (#50482205)
Tellingly, I will not go to MS for UI stuff. When I have to anyway, I use their decades-old APIs. It is a canary with regards to microsoft, that they have no known champion for their UI stuff, no trusted face for their UI stuff; the company all just appears to coast along on "I assume someone is handling it?" The main microsoft employee I trust is Raymond Chen, they have no current generations of Raymond Chen / that we know of.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by logicchains on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:22AM (#50480599)
>the Visual C++ standard library has officially one FTE working on it

One guy but it's Stephan T. Lavavej the guy who the "STL" was literally named after.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by Cthulhu_ on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:29AM (#50480690)
[delayed]
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by ctmlr on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:55AM (#50480951)
Companies just don't want to compensate people to hang around and maintain a system, they want a consistent output of widgets that can be measured. Somehow our work culture is still stuck in factory worker mentality despite being well into the information revolution now.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by as1mov on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:36AM (#50481441)
> every moving part would have a (small?) team of core maintainers, people that get paid well to know everything there is to know about something,

I work at a company with a few thousand employees in the Netherlands, and have been moved around a few teams in the last 7 years (not by choice, the team is nuked and I'm shuffled off elsewhere).

Technically, the product is supposed to have a "handover" to another team who can do the maintenance. What happens in practice is the person who worked on it gets saddled with maintaining it forever along with taking up the responsibilities of the newer work that comes along their way.

I've accumulated a string of such projects, including one that's used extensively by a few large companies, and the only person maintaining it is drumroll ... me, in whatever time I can spare for it.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by krige on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:54AM (#50479866)
Maybe Nadella is still trying to figure out which of the 8000+ sacked employees knew how the system works /s
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by sterlind on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:18AM (#50480068)
he was such a nice and effective CEO the first few years. he's really changed.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by bell-cot on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:45AM (#50480290)
Executive compensation corrupts, chief executive compensation corrupts absolutely.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by pjmlp on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:53AM (#50480347)
Even with some of the Microsoft <3 Open Source, I do miss the Steve Balmer era in regards to Windows development experience.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by cyberax on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:04AM (#50480452)
Not really. He killed the QA department immediately and consciously put MS onto the "slide into mediocrity" path.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by motionlessveloc on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:23AM (#50480613)
Google killed its test engineers (or, rather, forcibly merged them into SWE) at around the same time without measurably denting uptime.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by skywhopper on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:53AM (#50480927)
Yet.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by motionlessveloc on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:18AM (#50481906)
This happened in 2015.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by NamTaf on Friday November 13, 2026 @12:04PM (#50486389)
Can't have downtime if you kill everything you create before it can fail :)
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by kakacik on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:38AM (#50480769)
Was he? I struggle to see it even in hindsight, and definitely his moves were bunch of FU to common users. Maybe in some specific area you care about, but not their core products like windows and office
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by Markoff on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:42AM (#50481509)
yeah very effective, he fired 90% of our Windows Store team (reviewing the apps) in the first year to replace people with automation, I survived up to the last round of firing after which they kept ~20 employees out of original ~200
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by InsideOutSanta on Friday November 13, 2026 @02:57AM (#50479886)
The ones who actually knew how the system works were too expensive to retain, so now it's just some interns typing frantically into Claude Code.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by StingyJelly on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:12AM (#50480015)
Company policy is to use copilot but copilot is down so they are just hitting F5 and hoping
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by aucisson_masque on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:32AM (#50480182)
Haha this is ridiculous and yet there is some truth in it.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by kakacik on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:16AM (#50480547)
It may not be true now but 10 years down the line? This is disaster in the making yet while most people recognize that (when filtering out most fanatical pro-ai folks claiming everywhere how they get 10x or 100x work done) nobody is able to do anything. Sort of legacy technical debt being delivered but of different kind than usual, that train that will hit you since you stand on the rail line yet its moving 5kmh and you see it from 200m, but unable or unwilling to move away (Austin powers scene with steamroller does it better than me [1]).

Imagine if say BMW decided they don't want to manufacture their motors, suspensions, drivetrain etc. Outsourcing 100% of that knowledge to external suppliers, for all models, from now on forever. How do you think market would reacted to such move ie by valuation of stocks?

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_PrZ-J7D3k

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by smackeyacky on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:05AM (#50481064)
Given how unreliable and poorly engineered modern BMWs are the market might react positively
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by tonyedgecombe on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:58AM (#50481702)
[delayed]
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by aucisson_masque on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:03PM (#50491394)
When you outsource everything, you’re not relevant anymore. I agree on that, anyone else can do it just as good as you.

But the biggest fear is how is ai going to improve then ? We’ve seen it can’t feed itself on data it produced, the model quality decrease. But if there is no more human to produce ever better quality code because they rely on llm to generate code, we’re going to reach a wall.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by SillyUsername on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:45AM (#50480295)
This should be the top comment, my eyes are watering to this one
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by digikata on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:02AM (#50480427)
"Too expensive" as measured by bean counters that don't understand the actual risk profile - or do understand it but have such a short window of strategic concern it leads to this. It would be an interesting analysis to stack up costs to Msoft vs cost of labor cut as this outage evolves.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by InsideOutSanta on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:23AM (#50481279)
Oh shit: https://status.claude.com/incidents/nn11wk485zfn

Microsoft can't fix Outlook because they don't have Claude, and Anthropic's employees can't fix Claude because they can no longer log in without Outlook?

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by briansm on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:19AM (#50482473)
Ah, 'The Gift of the Magi', a classic Christmas tale.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by wooger on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:56AM (#50480368)
And which made a load of staff redundant in the last month.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by boudin on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:57AM (#50480380)
/s Their internal AI is full steam on it. The issue is just that their internal AI infrastructure is down too, so AI just need to fix itself first. Then it will focus on fixing the issue. Oh, wait...
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by surgical_fire on Friday November 13, 2026 @03:57AM (#50480381)
This is HN. We should be asking why frontier models couldn't still dolve this! How many parallel agents does MS have working on this?
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by xyst on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:05AM (#50480464)
the vibe coding group in charge of this product has decided to delete the production database and backups
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by nikanj on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:20AM (#50480575)
In our field, once you understand what the problem is, the problem is usually solved. Unless it's broken hardware, obviously
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by justinclift on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:47AM (#50482155)
But Copilot is down too, so maybe they're screwed? :)
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by sobiolite on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:30AM (#50480701)
Not so long ago, I was assigned to a project that had to be built on Azure due to client requirements. Because we were underhanded and it was an MVP, we'd elected to use PaaS as much as possible: Postgres Flexible Server, Static Web Apps, Easy Auth, etc. On paper, these all looked fine. They had lots of documentation, example projects, GitHub repos, blogs, roadmaps, etc. Then we started building and running into issues, and we realised a bunch of these offerings were basically unmaintained. There were features that had been stuck in "preview" status for literally years. The blogs and roadmaps were no longer updated, and issues were piling up in GitHub.

I started digging into the historical blog posts, GitHub comments, etc. and I realised everybody at MS who'd been working on them, SWEs, PMs, architects, etc. had either left the company, or moved to other teams. And the one constant about the internal moves was that people were now working in some "AI" related project or product. Literally, I didn't find a single person who wasn't now working on AI.

Clearly, there has been a huge internal push to get into AI. Resources have been reallocated, and anything non-AI related has been starved. And since working on an AI project is probably considered the only route to advancing your career, anybody with any ambition has moved to a team doing something AI-related. The result is that huge numbers of products and teams doing vital but non-AI related work have been hollowed out, and now we're seeing the consequences.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by cryptonym on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:18AM (#50481192)
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by mrngld on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:26AM (#50483178)
That's related to something I realized which I think a lot of people might find amazing. They think of companies like Apple and Microsoft as trillion-dollar, globe-spanning companies, so it must be massive teams that work together on everything.

But no, read Hacker News or other niche places enough and eventually you realize a lot of the things we all know or use was a solo effort or a very small number of people, sometimes not even an assigned project but something they did on the side. Cue the xkcd about the lone open source project maintainer holding up the entire modern web but apply it to the tech giants and there you go, it happens there too.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by mjb8086 on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:56AM (#50483559)
This state of Azure saddens me. I learnt everything cloud with it. I've built many things (big and small) in it. It was the one part of Microsoft I thought they'd not neglect.

Lots of its features - App Services, DNS, managed DB, Front Door, Blobs, Durable Functions, Service Bus, App Insights - are very powerful. The frontend portal is mostly fine for management. The Az CLI makes it easy to provision things quickly. Coupled with .NET Core on MacOS, I've not needed to touch Windows locally for years.

I could learn AWS or GCP, but that's just going to cost more time when I'd rather use what I already know to build more things. With Azure, I'd hate to see the rot set in further.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by EmX_3000 on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:52AM (#50480912)
Mythical man month, maybe throwing everybody in the company at it isn't the right thing to do. But they must be in a panic, and their own communications internally may well be hampered, could be MS everything is out for MS as well as everybody else.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by flir on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:06AM (#50481076)
I've seen the response to an emergency be "get every dev in a big room with some non-technical middle managers to direct them, and have them all talk at once". My jaw was on the floor.

"When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout".

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by TheOtherHobbes on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:49AM (#50481587)
Someone's going to have to write the Mythical AI Month after this.

If you lose 90% of developers to AI, but everything breaks, how much money have you saved?

The underlying moral issue is that the management and money people have contempt for people who don't manage and don't have money, including both customers and enginers.

It's not just an inhumane system - although it is, that, brutally - but it's also technologically dysfunctional.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by Take8435 on Friday November 13, 2026 @07:22AM (#50482499)
"This is on the money!"

Sorry, had to.

Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by ChrisRR on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:31AM (#50481393)
At least 1
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by VariousPrograms on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:01AM (#50482915)
211 muted people on the Teams call, 2 guys trying to figure it out, an incident manager asking for an ETA and status update every so often.
Re:Microsoft Outlook/365 still down after 12 hours by russfink on Friday November 13, 2026 @08:15AM (#50483075)
I wonder if it’s an AI death spiral: “the service is down. Diagnose the failure.” … Hello?