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Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by jleyank on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:05PM (#47906620)
They had a biological model. They had multiple drugs that were showed activity against that model, and effectiveness in humans. Problem was, the model was wrong. Pharma’s burned billions chasing this as it’s possibly the biggest market imaginable.

Whether it was fraudulent or just incorrect is a different question. We don’t know all of the details of human biology. We don’t even know what all we don’t know. Most guesses work to some degree to keep pharma alive - otherwise nobody would fund the business.

Edit: Google the in the pipeline blog. This and other have discussed this at length.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by gruez on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:18PM (#47906680)
> Problem was, the model was wrong.

I thought despite the fraud, it's still the best model we have[1]? The fact there was fraud doesn't mean the model is immediately incorrect. At best, it means its foundations are shakier than we thought, but it's not a slam dunk repudiation.

[1] https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/in-defense-of-the-amyloid-h...

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by mnode on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:34AM (#47907921)
Many in the research community realised the model was wrong a long time ago. This is a great read about the reasons why: 'How not to study a disease: the story of Alzheimer’s.' by Karl Herrup.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by ACCount37 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @04:36AM (#47908532)
Wrong or incomplete?

The current findings seem consistent with "both plaques and tangles are significant components of the pathology" and "our interventions are typically late and the accumulated neurological damage is already extreme by the time clinical symptoms show".

Attacking the plaques wasn't completely worthless - findings show that this often slows disease progression, especially in early cases. There are pre-symptomatic trials ongoing that may clear the air on whether "intervention is late" is the main culprit in treatment underperformance.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by sien on Friday May 01, 2026 @04:56AM (#47972587)
Thanks for recommending this book.

I'm now about half way through. It's really good.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by Drupon on Sunday April 26, 2026 @03:17AM (#47908131)
>I am David Schneider-Joseph, an engineer formerly with SpaceX and Google, now working in AI safety. Alzheimer’s isn’t my field

If anyone wants to know who wrote the article linked before wasting time reading it, there you go.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by trhway on Sunday April 26, 2026 @03:44AM (#47908268)
there is even easier way to estimate the chances of time wasting - it is a "rationalist" website, an "effective altruism"-like version of rationality.

wrt. original post - quickly googled, and that for example https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-are-Amyloid-Plaques... - pretty short and seems to be clear that amyloids do have some correlation while may or may be not the cause.

"Amyloid plaques form one of the two defining features of Alzheimer’s disease, the other being neurofibrillary tangles"

Interesting that the latter is inside the neurons while the former is outside - speaking of complexity. The article also describes that activating microglia back helps with amyloid plaques while this

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33010092/#:~:text=The%20stud...

"The neurofibrillary tangles (NFT) and amyloid-ß plaques (AP) that comprise Alzheimer's disease (AD) neuropathology are associated with neurodegeneration and microglial activation. "

Human body reminds a large monolith codebase - fixing one thing breaks some other :)

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by ifwinterco on Sunday April 26, 2026 @04:22AM (#47908457)
Huge codebase with years of fixes, features and hacks added on top and nothing ever refactored.

It’s a miracle it works at all

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by generic92034 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:39AM (#47908866)
It is worse. The code changes are mostly random, only surviving the tests of fitness nature is applying (on various levels though; immediately catastrophic changes on level of cell biology are sorted out). And at least the high-level tests are also random and unreliable.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by ravenstine on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:35AM (#47909140)
So basically it's a codebase mostly composed of bugs, and the features mysteriously work because they're based on bugs that happen to be mitigated by other bugs. :)
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by D-Coder on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:00PM (#47912363)
A billion years of kludges.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by gruez on Sunday April 26, 2026 @12:53PM (#47911744)
>there is even easier way to estimate the chances of time wasting - it is a "rationalist" website, an "effective altruism"-like version of rationality.

Is that supposed to be an endorsement or a dismissal? The ostensible goals of "rationality" seem like good things, so it sounds like an endorsement, but in the wake of the FTX/SBF fallout they got a bad rap.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by trhway on Sunday April 26, 2026 @03:56PM (#47913571)
there is a big difference between a theory/idea and espousing the theory/idea as an ideology.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by fn-mote on Sunday April 26, 2026 @07:42AM (#47909523)
For you, simply listing the author of the post is enough to discard it. Not everyone is that well informed, so it would be helpful for you to add another sentence explaining why this author has no credibility with you.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by jkman on Sunday April 26, 2026 @08:42AM (#47909869)
It is self-evident? What do you mean. The guy is not an expert, end of story
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by codexjourneys on Sunday April 26, 2026 @09:34AM (#47910216)
By this logic, we wouldn't have some of the breakthroughs made throughout history. Outsiders have made some pretty interesting leaps (later honed by experts). Expertise is great, but it can exist outside of formal education, and it isn't the only metric.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by Barbing on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:26PM (#47912043)
Might this be a doctor vs. physician assistant situation?

The people who know the most are probably busy and (not to be rude) are not necessarily the strongest educators.

Maybe my standard is too low here or I have a different need than you, would make a different accuracy-accessibility tradeoff…

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by DavidSJ on Sunday April 26, 2026 @10:02AM (#47910429)
Many in this thread, who have evidently spent very little time studying the topic, have confidently concluded the experts are wrong.

I, also a non-expert, spent six months studying what the experts are doing, concluded that they actually seem to know what they’re talking about, and shared my understanding of that with other non-experts.

If you’re going to dismiss me for saying the experts are right, since I’m not an expert, then shouldn’t you dismiss those who spent far less time than I to learn about the subject, who are saying the experts are wrong?

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by card_zero on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:08PM (#47911884)
DSJ! I remember you from about 2001, when you had made the chatbot VIAL. I can vouch for you being a smartypants 25 years ago, don't know about now.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by DavidSJ on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:20PM (#47911992)
Ha! You must be using a different username than I knew you by then. Hit me up on one of the many platforms we’re probably both on if you like, would be good to reconnect.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by Drupon on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:54PM (#47912814)
>then shouldn’t you dismiss those who spent far less time than I to learn about the subject, who are saying the experts are wrong

Already have

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by friendzis on Sunday April 26, 2026 @04:23AM (#47908460)
It's a classic example of "correlation does not imply causation". It was indeed observed that some patients with neurodegenerative conditions do indeed have amyloid plaques. It was further observed that patients with known Alzheimer's do not necessarily have amyloid plaques and patients without it do have plaques. The existence of amyloid plaques itself or the level, apparently, correlates extremely poorly, if at all, with the existence, onset or severity of the disease. Drugs attacking amyloid plaques might work, but they don't reverse the disease and do very little to slow progression. That's all scientific observations.

> I thought despite the fraud, it's still the best model we have[1]?

It is observed that one of the features of neurodegenerative diseases is decline in glucose metabolism. Supplementing energy availability (e.g. ketones [1], creatine [2]) does improve symptoms in patients with wide variety of CNS diseases, including Alzheimer's, senile dementia, epilepsy, and migraines.

The ATN model you have linked might as well be just ONE OF possible pathways to glucose uptake inhibition, which could be the causal pathology of the symptoms.

So no, it is very much not necessarily the best model we have. Inhibiting any pathway towards a disease is always a good thing, but the characteristics of "best" models are broad applicability and we have a serious contender.

[1]: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1016/j.nurt.2008.05.004 [2]: https://alz-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.100...

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by bradley13 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:20AM (#47909076)
Pretty clearly not. It would seem that beta amyloids correlate with Alzheimer's, but do not cause it.

The problem us "consensus science". You could get funding to research beta amyloids, but not to research any competing hypotheses.

It's much like climate science today: any dissent at all, even just questioning the predictions of catastrophe, immediately brands you as a heretic.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by stingraycharles on Sunday April 26, 2026 @07:18AM (#47909377)
> It's much like climate science today: any dissent at all, even just questioning the predictions of catastrophe, immediately brands you as a heretic.

I think this is not a great example, as there’s a huge group of people that, in fact, does not agree with the consensus and would happily fund research that (tries to) prove otherwise.

I fully agree with your point, though, just not the example.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by hotstickyballs on Sunday April 26, 2026 @07:51AM (#47909582)
That’s not true. If you want to have a job at a prestigious institution then the research committees are pretty consistent in their biases.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by acdha on Sunday April 26, 2026 @08:20AM (#47909745)
Expecting scientific rigor is not a bad bias: everyone who has been willing to do actual science agrees that climate change is real and significant. For example, Richard Muller was a climate skeptic who had a great job at one of the most prestigious universities in the world, got funding to establish a team to critically review climate science research … and concluded it was right:

“When we began our study, we felt that skeptics had raised legitimate issues, and we didn’t know what we’d find. Our results turned out to be close to those published by prior groups. We think that means that those groups had truly been very careful in their work, despite their inability to convince some skeptics of that.”

https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/after_climate_research_phy...

If you haven’t read up on both, it’s hard to appreciate how unlike climate science is from the beta amyloid theory. The latter has some evidence but there were always alternate theories by serious researchers because it involved multiple systems which scientists were still working to understand and basic questions around causation and correlation had significant debate.

In contrast, climate scientists reached consensus about climate change four decades ago and by now have established many separate lines of evidence which all support what has been the consensus position. More importantly, since the 1970s they have been making predictions which were subsequently upheld by measured data from multiple sources. The ongoing research is in fine-tuning predictions, estimating efficacy of proposed interventions, etc. but nobody is seriously questioning the basic idea.

Almost all of the people you hear dismissing climate change are funded by a handful of companies like Exxon, whose own internal research showing climate change was a significant threat produced a chart in 1982 which has proven accurate:

https://skepticalscience.com/pics/Exxonpredictions.png

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/16092015/exxons-own-resea...

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by justin66 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @09:52AM (#47910338)
The comment you were replying to was talking about funding. If you could develop a scientifically plausible model to defend the "burning fossil fuels is not so bad, actually" thesis, your funders would include the oil companies and the greater petrochemical industry. There is a lot more money to fund projects there than... anywhere else in the world, really, by a wide margin.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by sysguest on Sunday April 26, 2026 @11:00AM (#47910881)
well oil companies funded "lead fuels are safe" research...

...and it really did backfire (in public relations, politics, etc)

now... I don't think they can actually fund 'research-for-their-profit' -- I mean, would you believe "petro is good for earth" research coming from oil companies, even after the 'lead is good or neutral' research?

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by XorNot on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:40PM (#47915523)
Yes.

Not uncritically, but if the research presents a logically consistent hypothesis, and evidence supporting it, then it would be worth following up on with independent groups and if it remains consistent to scrutiny then it should be accepted.

That's how science works.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by hcknwscommenter on Monday April 27, 2026 @07:55AM (#47920411)
There are so many counterexamples proving that your statement is just not true. I'll give you just one example, the Berkeley physics professor Richard Muller that took funding from the Koch foundation to attempt to "prove" that the satellite temperature data was "miscalibrated" and estimates of actual warming were overblown. Started the project in 2010. First published in 2011 showing that in fact the warming was real and using more advanced calibration techniques actually showed the warming was worse than we thought.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by defrost on Sunday April 26, 2026 @07:25AM (#47909416)
Over the past decades the group that are not happy with the AGW consensus in the hard earth sciences crowd have principally funded FUD via think tanks, ala the pro-tobacco lobby back in the day, rather than research.

The few examples of research driven from the skeptic PoV (eg: urban heat skewing, etc) have landed on the side of the AGW consensus.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by TheOtherHobbes on Sunday April 26, 2026 @11:54AM (#47911282)
And when they funded research, it confirmed the known science.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-...

If anything the current consensus on the scientific front lines is that the alarmism is understated, and the real orthodoxy is astroturfed denial of the facts.

The global fossil industry is worth around $11 trillion a year. It supports some of the worst regimes in the world.

Of course they're going to try to FUD away the science, with the usual copy-paste narratives about how it's really scientists and academics who are corrupt.

It's all about money, power, and entitlement. Not about truth or responsibility.

But no amount of PR nonsense, astroturfing, and false accusation is going to make the slightest difference to climate reality.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by dnautics on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:57PM (#47912329)
having worked in amyloid, and in an a-beta lab in the second half of the 2000s, we always said under our breath in group meetings that we were skeptical about the amyloid hypothesis, but our grant applications certainly did not say that (or if they did it was a quick throwaway sentence). And I think the lab that I landed in was one of the most honest scientific labs in biochemistry/chemical biology.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by pas on Sunday April 26, 2026 @07:54AM (#47909604)
half the stuff currently in clinical trials is not targeting amyloids.

https://alz-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/trc...

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by enraged_camel on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:44AM (#47909187)
>> It's much like climate science today: any dissent at all, even just questioning the predictions of catastrophe, immediately brands you as a heretic.

Nonsense. It is actually quite unlike climate science, where the consensus of catastrophe and the evidence for it are both overwhelming. Dissenters are listened to only to the extent they can provide overwhelming evidence to the contrary, which they so far cannot.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by jhedwards on Sunday April 26, 2026 @09:56AM (#47910374)
> It's much like climate science today: any dissent at all, even just questioning the predictions of catastrophe, immediately brands you as a heretic.

I'm not sure I understand this. We've added hundreds of gigatons of carbon to the atmosphere. There's no mystery here, it's basic physics and chemistry that this will change things, and it's accepted that we don't know exactly _how_ things will change. The alternative: "adding gigatons of carbon to the atmosphere will _not_ change anything" is simply non-sensical. It goes against the basic rules of physics and causality. I'm happy to be proved wrong here, I just legitimately can't see how an alternative position makes any sense.

Edit: I see you specifically pointed out "predictions of catastrophe", which if that is true (and not just the position of radicals on Twitter) is indeed unfortunate.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by jvanderbot on Sunday April 26, 2026 @12:23PM (#47911484)
Yes I believe GP was focused on the catastrophe part. It's very likely correct that our CO2 emissions are warming the atmosphere ocean etc, but it's not clear that runaway warming is inevitable or that life or geology have feedback mechanisms that turn an exponential into an S curve. That is, after all, basically what natural selection tends to do. Turning the table again, even if there are corrective factors humans might have immense suffering before it stabilizes. So we don't know.

You didn't ask, but my opinion on it is that we'll probably stabilize on a cleaner energy source and find natural countermeasures when suffering ticks up. Any top down pressure to change things whole cloth seems doomed, no matter how benevolent. We're closed loop creatures.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by ori_b on Sunday April 26, 2026 @03:27PM (#47913159)
> but it's not clear

What better way to find out than to just try it and see if we end up with runaway warming?

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by tim333 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:16PM (#47911957)
Climate science is much more complicated - there are many things you could disagree with beyond will tons of carbon change things, yes or no.

Like are we doomed or will it just get a bit warmer before we switch to solar for example.

There are also money issues like with the alzheimer's situation. If climate change is dooming us then we should send more money to climate scientists.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by raverbashing on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:37PM (#47912142)
> There are also money issues like with the alzheimer's situation. (that is: If climate change is dooming us then we should send more money to climate scientists)

Absolutely, the issues are similar

And if this can upend the business model of some big companies we'll give some "incentives" to some "doubtful" scientists even if their doubts are unfounded (actually very well founded but you get the gist)

Which sucks because such work should be free of pressures and incentives

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by rob_c on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:57PM (#47912853)
> we should send more money to climate scientists.

Couldn't disagree more.

Please spend it on those who might actually fix something. There's plenty of can remove carbon or can undo the effect of X on Y. Let's stop falling back on the bad argument of we must leave nature alone right after arguing we change billion dollar industries because we can.

We shouldn't learn to be custodians watching the planet die because of past mistakes, we should be fixing and improving the planet and improving on nature because we can, must and should, shoulder this reaponsibility.

Please not _yet more modelling_ burning HPC into the ground just for a crappy bar line graph (based on assumptions)...

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by raverbashing on Sunday April 26, 2026 @03:35PM (#47913285)
Actually my "Absolutely" referred to the first phrase, not the second one (my bad!)
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by collingreen on Monday April 27, 2026 @01:13AM (#47917919)
> we should be fixing and improving the planet and improving on nature

How do you do this without a process of finding out what works and what doesn't? Isn't that science? Or am I misunderstanding you saying no more modeling to mean we already know everything we might need to know in order to shoulder this planet scale responsibility and just collectively aren't doing anything except making bar charts?

What does your proposal actually look like without science or climate modeling?

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by idiotsecant on Sunday April 26, 2026 @08:30PM (#47916390)
I am baffled by the number of people on HN, presumably a website for and by technical people, who fail to consider secondary and tertiary effects when it fits their worldview to do so.

There is a yawning abyss of states in between extinction and 'boy sure is a few degrees warmer out here' and none of them are good.

Many organisms would benefit from a warmer climate, just not humans.

We rely on extremely narrow conditions for the fragile supply chains and power structures that keep us on the ragged edge of civilized to continue working. We had an extremely mild contagious disease outbreak, by historic standards, and our economy is still feeling the effects!

Imagine the impacts of something like wildly different rainfall patterns, increased rate of global infectious disease, shifted agricultural zones, changes to Jetstream patterns, large scale crop failures, loss of water supplies, temporary local ecosystem collapses etc. These changes are incredibly fast on the scale of what it takes to reach ecological equilibrium.

These of course mean nothing to biological life, writ large. Life will recover and adapt. To fragile human civilization they mean refugee crisis, resource wars, failed infrastructure, and ten thousand other existentially terrible things.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by tim333 on Monday April 27, 2026 @09:16AM (#47921186)
I get your point but on the other hand humans live quite well in places like Medicine Hat say where it swings from -40 C in winter to +40 C in summer. Against that the likely warming by say 2100 is I think 1.5C up from what it is today which might be just about noticeable?
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by idiotsecant on Tuesday April 28, 2026 @09:28AM (#47934296)
Did you read the post at all? Second order effects, not primary effects. Its exasperating how much effort people will put into not understanding the smallest things when they are inconvenient to their worldview.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by red-iron-pine on Monday April 27, 2026 @09:56AM (#47921648)
> Many organisms would benefit from a warmer climate, just not humans.

and a whole fuckin lot that wouldn't, and that may collapse the ecosystem

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by Kim_Bruning on Monday April 27, 2026 @08:12AM (#47920555)
> If climate change is dooming us then we should send more money to climate scientists.

Depends! If you're a large fossil fuel company, the obvious move might be to spend more money on advertising agencies and scientists who question climate science instead.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by btilly on Sunday April 26, 2026 @04:01PM (#47913634)
Yes, there is overwhelming evidence of climate change. And that we are causing it.

However research into what we humans can do to ameliorate it is verboten. For example https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fertilizing-ocean... was an actual experiment that found a low cost way to both remove lots of CO2, and improve a fishery. But that line of research has been shut down.

Likewise research into the current impact is only allowed if it agrees with what is politically correct. For example many researchers have found that current severe California forest fires are mostly due to poor past policies, that have resulted in very dense forest, with a large fuel overload. But research that stresses the impact of climate change are easier to publish, and this shifts the apparent consensus on the causes of things like the major 2025 fires in the Los Angeles area.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by larpingscholar on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:49PM (#47915595)
From your link:

> Not geoengineering

> The project is also unlikely to bury much if any carbon dioxide for one simple reason: metabolism. As other iron fertilization experiments have shown, it is relatively easy to get plankton to bloom, but it is harder for that bloom to sink to the bottom of the ocean, where it takes CO2 with it.

This project is a net carbon emitter by design.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by btilly on Sunday April 26, 2026 @07:01PM (#47915725)
Do you really think that adding iron releases net carbon? That would be hard to explain chemically.

The worst case scenario laid out in that article is that most of the carbon absorbed, was later rereleased. So net zero carbon, not net carbon emitter.

I've seen other reports of that exact experiment that estimated a significant net carbon sink. The actual experiment failed to make measurements that lets us know which actually happened.

Regardless, we've certainly demonstrated that, at least sometimes, there is significant net carbon capture, at low cost. Given the certainty of global damage at present, I believe that this justifies continued experimentation. Even if it means accepting possible risk to local ecosystems. The local ecosystem can generally recover. The planet, not so much.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by larpingscholar on Sunday April 26, 2026 @07:15PM (#47915847)
You think the chemical compounds were just magiced into the ocean with no carbon intensity. It literally says carbon will not be absorbed and that geoengineering is not the goal.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by skissane on Sunday April 26, 2026 @08:29PM (#47916387)
> There's no mystery here, it's basic physics and chemistry that this will change things, and it's accepted that we don't know exactly _how_ things will change. The alternative: "adding gigatons of carbon to the atmosphere will _not_ change anything" is simply non-sensical. It goes against the basic rules of physics and causality. I'm happy to be proved wrong here, I just legitimately can't see how an alternative position makes any sense.

With any position, you have to distinguish between its thoughtful advocates and its thoughtless ones-every position has both

Any thoughtful “climate change sceptic” is going to say (a) of course the climate is changing-it always has and always will; (b) of course it is implausible than human activity has literally zero impact on that change. But that still doesn’t tell us: (i) the relative scale of anthropogenic versus natural causal factors; (ii) the validity of any specific predictions of future change; (iii) the likely socioeconomic impacts of any future changes that may occur. It is totally possible that a person may affirm (a) and (b) while questioning the “consensus” on (i) and (ii) and (iii)

Personally, I don’t have a strong opinion on the substantive issue - but I wonder about the extent to which mainstream discourse on the topic represents good epistemic hygiene. It is even possible that the sceptics are on the whole more wrong than right, but simultaneously the mainstream response to them is more irrational than rational.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by bradley13 on Thursday April 30, 2026 @04:36AM (#47959805)
Exactly this. I want to be able to ask the questions above, but this is nearly impossible in most forums.

Question a clickbait "we're all gonna die" prediction, and you are immediately branded as a "denier", and no further discourse is possible.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by hackeraccount on Monday April 27, 2026 @10:28AM (#47922125)
The analogy isn't a perfect one.

For Climate Change it's a question of opportunity costs. With expected inputs how much will temperature change? What are the effects of that change? How much effort to you put into changing the inputs? How much effort do you put into dealing with the effects?

The biggest difference is that Climate Change is a deeply political question with a bit of science tossed in. Alzheimer's is the mirror opposite - it's a scientific question with politics added to the same degree of most other things.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by throw4847285 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @10:04AM (#47910448)
"Consensus science" is science.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by yxhuvud on Sunday April 26, 2026 @10:38AM (#47910726)
Yes, though when the consensus doesn't work for predictions then it is a matter of time until it stops being science.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by throw4847285 on Monday April 27, 2026 @09:44AM (#47921478)
A degenerating research programme.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by tim333 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:25PM (#47912036)
Not by my prefered definition. I like science being the study of nature through reason and experiment. Reality trumps consensus.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by btilly on Sunday April 26, 2026 @04:08PM (#47913722)
The problem is that the top researchers in the field have spent their lives devoted to amyloid beta. They may well have helped direct hundreds of millions in grants to this line of research.

The idea that they have blocked the treatment of Alzheimer's rather than helping it, is very, very painful. This is perfect for creating cognitive dissonance.

And so, no matter what the evidence, they remain committed to the conclusion.

As a result, the latest Alzheimer's drug to enter stage 3 FDA trials is Trontinemab. (It is currently in stage 3.) It targets the amyloid target.

A relative drop in the bucket is going to, say, the infection hypothesis. This despite the fact that the only intervention that has been shown to reduce the incidence of Alzheimer's, is the shingles vaccine.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by pfdietz on Sunday April 26, 2026 @07:51PM (#47916115)
> It's much like climate science today: any dissent at all, even just questioning the predictions of catastrophe, immediately brands you as a heretic.

The financial motivation for fraud is all on the side of climate-change denial. Literally trillions of dollars of motivation.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by tastyfreeze on Sunday April 26, 2026 @08:02PM (#47916199)
Hah! What do you call the cap and trade group? The whole trillion dollar "carbon credit market" is a farce built to profit from climate change catastrophism.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by pfdietz on Sunday April 26, 2026 @08:15PM (#47916282)
Small change compared to fossil fuels.

Climate-change denial is just like tobacco-cancer denial. It's the same banal "I win, you all lose" mechanism. Enormous resources are available (along with the useful idiots) to propagate falsehoods.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by Yizahi on Monday April 27, 2026 @08:13AM (#47920561)
You are mistaking the beneficiaries here. Carbon credit scheme is indeed a greenwashing scam and it is pushed by the oil and gas (plus adjacent) industries. It is plainly obvious that shuffling emissions between jurisdictions does jack shit against reducing the actual real amount of emissions to the atmosphere. Basically the main proponents of the carbon credit fraud are the same people financially motivated to reject long term climate change consequences (aka anti-"catastrophists" in your lingo).
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by larkost on Monday April 27, 2026 @04:00PM (#47926558)
If cap-and-trade held the same levels forever you would be correct. But all of the cap-and-trade systems I am aware of have a built-in lowering of the cap over time. So they start out doing nothing/very little, then ramp up to meaningful reductions over time.

The idea being both to make it easy to get people to agree today (the reductions are tomorrow's problem), and to allow time (and foresight) for industry to adapt to where things are going.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by caycep on Sunday April 26, 2026 @11:52AM (#47911269)
the model is wrong, but the amyloid is still sitting there, staring at you, asking you what are you going to do about it?
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by ramraj07 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @12:03AM (#47907226)
It was not fraudulent, just incompetent. Not just here (though this is likely the most egregious example), there are many very bad biological models in circulation even today simply because some dudes who are thought leaders decided these things were this way when there was no causal evidence for it (it was almost always correlation). Thats right, our top scientists of the day still cant fundamentally fathom "correlation =/= causation"). Past examples include "a differentiated cell cant go back". Persistent examples include "longer telomeres cause you to live longer" and "there are x hallmarks of cancer."

And before someone says, "well theres nuance to it," "in hindsight its easy," "biology is complex," my answers are, no no and no. Debate me. Ill bring receipts.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by UberFly on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:12AM (#47907557)
The peer review process was repeatedly cheated by self-serving fraud. The medical field requires honest results and reporting. Why are you defending the fraud?
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by t-3 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:34AM (#47907644)
Science is no longer a hobby for the idle rich, it's an occupation. Peer review cannot function in a hostile environment governed by self interest (results == resume). Science practice needs to adapt to modern conditions rather than to pretend the idealized system that worked for an exclusive and elite group would work for a competetive worldwide industry.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by uecker on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:25AM (#47907882)
This is exaggerating and generalizing too much. Science still works extremely well in general.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by DANmode on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:18AM (#47907588)
For replying to me, can you skip to the part where you explicitly call out what you believe the cause may be,

as general of a label as it may be?

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by bsder on Saturday April 25, 2026 @10:27PM (#47906722)
The Amyloid hypothesis persisted for so long because we didn't have any obvious counterarguments since it is so hard to do studies on the brain. Which also means that it's not a bad hypothesis.

What happened is we got the tools to start studying viral associations with other diseases and ... whooops ... suddenly there are associations. The shingles and RSV vaccines seem to affect dementia while others like influenza don't.

Now people can ask questions about why those particular vaccines affect dementia while others don't. And suddenly we have falsifiable tests.

Now we can subject all hypotheses (including Amyloid) to stronger scrutiny.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by ramraj07 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @12:06AM (#47907240)
There were no cointerarguments? There was a very simple counterargument: where was the causal data? If none exist why should I counter argue when you hadn't proven it to begin with.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by bsder on Sunday April 26, 2026 @12:13AM (#47907273)
There is a LOT of causal data. Autopsies of brains of Alzheimer's patients were rife with amyloid. People with mutations that caused amyloid got Alzheimer's earlier than others.

The hypothesis didn't come from nowhere.

To contrast, look at how much trouble medicine has had treating brain tumors. It has taken a long time to get effective treatments for various reasons. And Alzheimer's is way less direct in cause/effect.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by ramraj07 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:29AM (#47907623)
> Autopsies of brains of Alzheimer's patients were rife with amyloid

Do you want think carefully about how this can possibly suggest this is a causal link?

> People with mutations that caused amyloid got Alzheimer's earlier than others.

People with mutations in those genes got a particular type of inherited alzheimers early, this says nothing about the cause of general Alzheimers.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by bsder on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:27AM (#47907894)
> People with mutations in those genes got a particular type of inherited alzheimers early, this says nothing about the cause of general Alzheimers.

This is completely analogous to claiming that people with mutations in BRCA (which causes a lot of early breast cancers) says nothing about general "cancer".

That's simply flat-out wrong. Genetic mutations like BRCA affect certain subsystems and many of those subsystems are common and relevant to many different cancers outside of breast cancer or breast cancers that appear later. Lots and lots of cancer research proceeded by studying the common systems that BRCA affects. Sure, those subsystems aren't involved in every cancer, but they're involved in a solid chunk of them.

And, even better, when you find one that isn't affected by one of those subsystems that BRCA touches, that's an interesting result, too. Now you can look at what the differences are, figure out what the new subsystems are and categorize your cancer more specifically which makes successful treatment more likely.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that Alzheimer's is any different on that front.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by stackghost on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:00AM (#47907759)
This comment is so needlessly aggressive and argumentative. I hate this about HN
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by curiousObject on Sunday April 26, 2026 @08:34AM (#47909819)
It is sad. That reply, which you rightfully were irritated by, could have been expressed as a polite question.

That sort of question is what the response from user @bsder above helpfully tries to answer. That mode would invite more productive discussion, not more defensive annoyance.

Rules on HN say “Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.” but it is hard.

All I can suggest is: be patient and try to be positive

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by i000 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @08:54AM (#47909938)
It is also wrong...
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by ramraj07 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @11:41AM (#47911182)
Wouldn't mind knowing how.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by shermantanktop on Sunday April 26, 2026 @11:44AM (#47911211)
It’s the way one talks to an LLM which has made a mistake.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by rcxdude on Sunday April 26, 2026 @10:00AM (#47910414)
Correlation is not causation but it's a pretty good idea to start with how blindingly obvious differences in brains affected with the disease might be related with the disease. There's also evidence that it precedes the symptoms of the disease.

And it's also not a good idea to suppose that you are dealing with unrelated effects without good reason. Mutations->more amyloid->earlier symptoms should be considered indicative of the disease pathway until sufficient evidence counteracts that, by Occam's razor.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by ramraj07 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @10:43AM (#47910764)
Im not gonna try to correct you because its probably going to be futile, but I implore you to paste this thread into chatgpt and ask where you could be wrong in your logic.

Correlation not causation is all the more important in a topic like this; nothing you said suggests amyloid causes alzheimers or just forms because of it.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by rcxdude on Sunday April 26, 2026 @12:51PM (#47911728)
Just say your point instead of dancing around it.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by ramraj07 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:13PM (#47912492)
What exactly do I need to say further? My first comment was that "scientists today still don't understand correlation =/= causation" and the replies are all scientists who try to explain again how correlation can still mean causation (no it doesn't, and it definitely doesn't in this case and that has been the root cause from the beginning). So I tried to implore you to go review your text yourself, but you are clearly above it, so not sure what else I could do here.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by br121 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:46PM (#47914953)
Research on the human body start with an observation, for the good reason that the omniscent orb has not invented yet, and what is causation and what is correlation is yet to be determined. Then, sometimes after years of research, it can be determined if what was observed was causation or correlation. That's why study that don't bring to a new discovery are extremely valuable nevertheless, as they show a path that was just a false lead and allow other researches to seek for something else
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by rcxdude on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:12PM (#47915252)
I would turn around the same request to you. I would ask that you look at how scientific research and hypotheses are actually created and the messy nature of evidence for anything that isn't particle physics and not just repeat cliches.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by bglazer on Sunday April 26, 2026 @08:51PM (#47916525)
Ah causal data! It’s a shame none of the scientists or statisticians thought of getting causal data. How would we get that? Well maybe we could just inject amyloid into a person’s brain. Or simply remove all the amyloid from a person’s brain. That should do it, right?

I mean an amyloid injection is wildly unethical and it’s also not the natural progression of Alzheimer’s. Removing amyloid is a simple matter of investing billions of dollars into drug development. Also how do you tell whether that was actually “causal” if the patients improve after plaque removal.

I mean come on, you have to work the evidence and the experimental tools that we actually have. This kind of epistemic puritanism doesn’t help anyone.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by bsder on Monday April 27, 2026 @12:14AM (#47917633)
> Well maybe we could just inject amyloid into a person’s brain.

Erm, we kinda did? People who got cadaver-derived human growth hormone from Alzheimer's patients got Alzheimer's.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-023-02729-2

And we just had an actual autopsy confirm a case: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/new-evidence-strengthen...

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by tim333 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @01:34PM (#47912115)
An obvious counter hypothesis is the amyloid is produced to counter an infectious agent. It is a reaction to that, not the cause. I think HSV-1 has been hypothesised. I'm not that up on it, just saying there are alternatives.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by XorNot on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:55PM (#47915650)
Which is only relevant if you actually find an infectious agent doing something in the right place, which so far we have not.

The vaccine prevention connection for example AFAIK is just pure statistics: you get the shingles vaccine, your population level Alzheimer's risk drops but we have no direct evidence of why this should be.

Its entirely possible we later find it has no effect and it's a population level quirk of people who were likely to get a shingles vaccine until that research - conversely the cost of just getting one is incredibly low (hence why I did, in relation to that exact data).

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by verisimi on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:05AM (#47907787)
> Pharma’s burned billions chasing this as it’s possibly the biggest market imaginable.

To be clearer, Pharma is chasing a nice long treatment plan, that will require expensive drugs till the end. Pharma does not heal - this is not good for business. So there are criteria around what they are searching for.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by dvfjsdhgfv on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:44AM (#47907968)
I think you are wrong, for several reasons.

From the human perspective, researchers are people, and they do have their incentives. Making a breakthrough, of any kind, is important for them - even if for their career (but many do genuinely care and want to help humanity as a whole).

From marketing and sales perspective, look at what happen to pharma companies capitalization when Ozempic appeared: a relatively small Elly Lily suddenly got bigger then Merck, Novartis, Roche or Johnson & Johnson. You can hardly call it a long treatment plan with expensive drugs "till the end".

Really, there is a lot of bad things going on in healthcare and pharma industry, but the conspiracy theory "they don't want to invent efficient drugs" really makes no sense when you dig deeper.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by SomaticPirate on Sunday April 26, 2026 @03:24AM (#47908169)
I agree with you but Ozempic is a bad example here. Part of the reason it is so valuable is that patients usually must take it for the rest of their lives. Its actually the perfect example of “evil” pharma since patients slmost akways regain the weight if they stop taking it. This leads to dependence or people searching for grey market sources.

An example of “good” pharma would be Hepatitis C. We can now cure that. Although, pharma is charging the lifetime equivalent in order to do that (a treatment can run over $100k and insurance balks at covering it)

So pharma will absolutely develop a cure if they can. They however will still charge you as if you had to take a dose for the rest of your life.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by azan_ on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:16AM (#47908760)
> I agree with you but Ozempic is a bad example here. Part of the reason it is so valuable is that patients usually must take it for the rest of their lives. Its actually the perfect example of “evil” pharma since patients slmost akways regain the weight if they stop taking it. This leads to dependence or people searching for grey market sources.

Not really. Note that it's not taking ozempic for life vs taking nothing for life, but actually taking ozempic for life vs taking ozempic and 5 different medications for life when obesity related illnesses bite you in the ass. So generally ozempic still is "good" pharma (and the plot twist is that almost every pharma is good pharma!).

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by plqbfbv on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:59AM (#47909277)
> Part of the reason it is so valuable is that patients usually must take it for the rest of their lives.

Well yes, Ozempic doesn't solve the habits of a bad diet.

The weight rebound is surely due in little part to removal of hunger suppression as in "hormone rebound", but if you resume eating 5000+ kcal/day because you don't have something that keeps you from doing it, you'll end up in the same situation as before. Ozempic was never meant and is not going to fix your diet. That's a psychological and environmental problem.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by khuey on Sunday April 26, 2026 @11:03AM (#47910906)
It's ridiculous to say that pharma is "evil" simply because it isn't a one time treatment, especially when you don't know if a one time treatment is even biologically possible. The water company isn't evil for failing to provide me a single glass of water that meets my lifetime hydration requirements.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by naveen99 on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:28PM (#47912584)
Average person in the world earns about $300k in a lifetime. So it’s hard to charge more than that per person.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by Closi on Sunday April 26, 2026 @03:10AM (#47908091)
Plus even if it does involve expensive drugs and long term treatment, that would be a huge step towards cheap drugs and short term treatment.

Lots of treatments start expensive and then come down in cost as competitors step in.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by jleyank on Sunday April 26, 2026 @07:36AM (#47909484)
Patents run out also.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by verisimi on Sunday April 26, 2026 @03:28AM (#47908189)
Which illnesses have been cured? Diabetes, cancer?

> From the human perspective, researchers are people, and they do have their incentives. Making a breakthrough, of any kind, is important for them - even if for their career (but many do genuinely care and want to help humanity as a whole).

Researchers are people, but they are paid and directed. They can't go off and do what they like. The corporation directs them, and they are paid for their efforts. Researchers (and all working people) aren't doing what is right - they are doing what they are paid to do.

All the financial upside for pharmaceuticals is in prolonged treatments. It is a 'long sickness' industry. This is perhaps too bitter a pill to swallow for most, so this is where marketing and education come in with the sugar.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by leetnewb on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:16AM (#47908758)
Imagine your role is allocating spending on $10B/year of medical research and you are presented with two strategies: spend everything searching for the cure for one poorly understood condition, or allocate to treatments improving standard of care for 100 conditions.

Improving standard of care for 100 is less risky/more profitable because you have more shots at an expensive process with a high failure rate. And it is a lower bar to improve patient care than to permanently fix a medical mystery. But there is another factor. Focusing on treatment/management over cure most likely maximizes the positive impact on patients within the the constraints you work under.

There have been at least three new major treatments for a chronic thing I have that received FDA approval over my lifetime. Those treatments have had a massive impact on my quality of life, ability to have a career, etc. I don't believe that happens for me if we allocate to cures.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by verisimi on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:45AM (#47908889)
I'm genuinely glad you have new treatments and its improving your quality of life.

The point I am making is that you are a/ not getting cured, and b/ paying a lot of money. The reason for this, is this is best strategy for maximising profits. Its really the exact same model as your local heroin/crack dealer.

Please set me straight if those conditions differ in your case.

Profits are what pharma companies want.

The consumer is mostly labouring under the illusion that companies want the best for you. They are not your mum. They want what's best for them. And, most people would do the same - no one is gifting anyone health.

All I'm saying is let's drop the illusions and fantasy and call a spade a spade.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by leetnewb on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:22AM (#47909081)
The local illicit drug dealer comparison doesn't apply because you can't simply ignore the development time and cost of FDA approved drugs. My post was about allocating limited capital to pharmaceutical research, and maximizing benefit.

Again, if your choice is improving quality of care for 100 conditions or trying to moonshot your way to curing one disease, more patients benefit from the former even if pharma also profits more.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by ted_dunning on Thursday April 30, 2026 @07:21PM (#47969593)
Your case is even stronger because understanding the 100 conditions is likely to lead to a few being cured and build the technology base for the moonshoot to be vastly easier.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by tecleandor on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:46AM (#47908894)
> Which illnesses have been cured? Diabetes, cancer?

Chicken pox, polio, hepatitis C, dracunculiasis, yaws, malaria (on the way of it), tuberculosis, syphilis, everything that can be killed with antibiotics, rubella...

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by defrost on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:55AM (#47908931)
Remember a year or two ago when it was thought that measles was cured in the USofA?

Halcyon days.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by yxhuvud on Sunday April 26, 2026 @10:59AM (#47910879)
There is a cure though. What is happening is just that people are too stupid to use it.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by red-iron-pine on Monday April 27, 2026 @10:20AM (#47922016)
agit-prop works, and the rube demographic is only growing larger because of it

see also: right wing grift

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by optionalsquid on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:50AM (#47908911)
But researchers are not necessarily paid by corporations, and governments, foundations, and such are generally more willing to hand out grants that forego short-term profitability for long-term gains. And while a company might not be interested investing in research that could undermine one of their core products, that obviously does not apply to competing companies that do not already have corresponding products. What better way to break into a market, than to render your competitors' products obsolete?
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by mft_ on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:18AM (#47909064)
> Which illnesses have been cured? Diabetes, cancer?

Type I diabetes - no, but this is a condition in which the body attacks the part of itself that makes insulin. So by the time it happens, it's too late. Sadly, we're generally bad at understanding and preventing autoimmune diseases, but this needs more basic research, not drugs.

Type II diabetes - essentially a lifestyle condition. May be functionally cured in some/many cases with strict lifestyle interventions. Ironically, GLP-1s may help move some people towards a functional cure.

Cancer - yes, where possible. The open secret is that the best way to fight cancer is to not get it in the first place, or failing that to catch it very early, but these are issues of lifestyle and public health policy - both of which we're currently very bad at optimising, as a species.

> All the financial upside for pharmaceuticals is in prolonged treatments.

Except for the examples to the contrary.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by less_less on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:51AM (#47909233)
I've hung out with a lot of pharma folks, and the business is really complicated. Most of the companies aim to both help people and to make a lot of money, and will choose projects based on some balance of those -- sometimes in dubiously ethical ways (e.g. tweaking formulations of existing products to extend the patent) and sometimes in basically fine ways (e.g. lots of the improvements in diabetes management which have helped a ton of people; at least the targeting is fine here though often not the pricing). Obviously chronic diseases that affect lots of rich people are a prime target to make money, so drug companies make lots of drugs for these, and they usually aren't curative because chronic diseases are hard to cure (but see e.g. Hep C which is now curable). There are also companies with rich investors who want to cure death, or at least cure particular diseases that they fear or have a genetic predisposition to (lots of unethical behavior from a certain now-defunct company that tried to do this).

For cancer in particular, pharmas don't (and mostly can't) just target a drug to chronically treat some cancer over the long term but not cure it. Instead they pick some target that's believed to contribute to development (/ metastasis / treatment resistance / whatever) in whatever cancer, and make a drug to interfere with it or to target an immune response to cells that make it. If it's stable, nontoxic, and looks potentially effective enough they'll take it to clinical trials. During clinical trials they'll find out whether it does nothing, gives you a few extra months, or has a chance at curing the disease. Usually the answer is that it does nothing or almost nothing, or isn't worth the side effects, and then the company wasted its time and money. Drugs with a chance to cure common types of cancer can be enormous successes -- see eg Herceptin.

Cancers are difficult diseases and it's rare to find something that reliably cures them. But drug companies aren't pulling their punches. Like they would never say "oh this drug clears breast cancer too reliably, we should make it less effective so that people will be more likely to die but also might take it for longer".

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by XorNot on Sunday April 26, 2026 @07:17PM (#47915864)
Even without understanding pharmaceutical research, your claim to understanding business strategy is braindead: there is not 1 pharmaceutical company. And many pharmaceutical companies work on treatments for the same conditions and diseases.

Why would any competitor sit on a cure for a condition there opponents can only treat when in the short term you'd post amazing next quarter profits, and in the long term you'd financially diminish that competitor in the market place even if we grant the position that you are somehow able to find treatments that aren't cures (others have explained ably why this isn't how it works).

Everything looks like a conspiracy when you don't understand anything.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by ted_dunning on Thursday April 30, 2026 @07:18PM (#47969558)
Actually quite a lot of diseases have cures. Many have very low cost cures or prevention.

And cancer isn't one disease. It is hundreds. Many of which have cures.

Diabetes was much harder to understand (and also isn't a single disease). Recent results have demonstrated islet cell transplants in type 1 that don't require life-long immune suppression. That isn't wide-spread yet but it is promising.

An interesting example of an actual cure is ulcers. Most humans who gets ulcers get them because of bacterial infection with H. Pilori. Killing that infection cures the ulcers. That didn't used to be possible because the cause wasn't understood.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by mft_ on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:08AM (#47909016)
> To be clearer, Pharma is chasing a nice long treatment plan, that will require expensive drugs till the end. Pharma does not heal - this is not good for business.

This is a trope regurgitated by people who don't know any better. It would imply that pharma are deliberately avoiding research directions that would generate cures, or (even worse) discovering cures and putting them in a dark secret safe somewhere.

The reality is that drug development is serendipitous and really hard, and any company seeing even a sniff of a drug that works will throw everything behind making that drug a success. During the early stages of investigation of a promising new agent, the animal data can't predict much, and certainly can't predict whether something is "curative" - this would only be seen during human trials, after which hiding that benefit would be close to impossible. It's just not how it works.

There are plenty of examples of actual (rather than functional) cures being developed and marketed:

1) Previously-untreated DLBCL (a type of blood cancer) can be cured. CHOP chemotherapy cured ~35-40% of cases. The addition of rituximab boosted that to 60-65%. There then followed a long string of failed phase III studies (probably billions spent, cumulatively) trying to beat rituximab + CHOP, and finally in recent years there has been some success. So: multiple attempts across multiple pharma companies, trying to improve on an already impressive cure rate... not much evidence of an anti-cure conspiracy.

2) Hepatitis C - cures were discovered and marketed from ~2014 onwards; now ~95% of cases can be cured with a treatment lasting only a couple of months. So: multiple treatments, from multiple pharma companies, which offer a hugely effective cure for a pretty unpleasant disease.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by yxhuvud on Sunday April 26, 2026 @10:54AM (#47910836)
They want something that actually works, foremost. If the thing they sell doesn't work, then when someone figures out something that does work the thing that works will be preferred by the doctors.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by red-iron-pine on Monday April 27, 2026 @10:12AM (#47921890)
to put a finer point on it, to be able to gouge sick and slowly-going-crazy people for lots of money you have to have something that actually solves the problem.

can't mark-up snake oil, not in ways to shift the stock price for Fortune 100 tier companies -- too many lawsuits and visibility

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by moffkalast on Sunday April 26, 2026 @03:52AM (#47908309)
> We don’t even know what all we don’t know.

Somewhat ironic given the context.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by SwtCyber on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:06AM (#47908702)
A wrong model is not the same thing as fraud, and biology is full of plausible models that later turn out to be incomplete or misleading
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by yxhuvud on Sunday April 26, 2026 @10:49AM (#47910797)
While true, there are a bunch of very influential results in Alz science that turned out to be fraud.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by next_xibalba on Sunday April 26, 2026 @08:56AM (#47909949)
> Whether it was fraudulent or just incorrect is a different question.

And probably the more important question. How badly is the machine that does science broken? If we don’t focus here and fix it, there will be further decades without progress, all while wasting further billions.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by deepsun on Sunday April 26, 2026 @12:16PM (#47911433)
> We don’t know all of the details of human biology.

Tautology statement. "We don't know all the details of X" for any X.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by jvanderbot on Sunday April 26, 2026 @12:17PM (#47911443)
That is not a tautology. But you're right it's trivially true.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by deepsun on Monday April 27, 2026 @06:14PM (#47928102)
> In logic and mathematics, it is a statement that is true in every possible interpretation or situation.
Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by jvanderbot on Tuesday April 28, 2026 @10:29PM (#47943566)
... by definition

Tautology day is today because today is tautology day.

... not by "obviousness"

I can't check every stone for moss. We can't know every detail about anything.

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by rob_c on Sunday April 26, 2026 @02:52PM (#47912793)
> Whether it was fraudulent or just incorrect is a different question.

Sorry but good science should be reproducible an given the amount of major retractions around this field I think this starts to become more than a passing question.

Lots of work is built on top of the model which means a lot of money change hands and a lot of honesty hard work was done.

Those who built the bad model should be being asked why a) they were so wrong (bad conclusions are fine) b) their data was so bad (this is not defensible) c) they didn't push for reproducing their work sooner to support the field (more of a daming statement of a field which treats a statistical analysis as a push button tool)...

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by dtgriscom on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:08PM (#47914498)
> Edit: Google the in the pipeline blog. This and other have discussed this at length.

Derek Lowe's blog is excellent, with 192 posts tagged "Alzheimer's Disease":

https://www.science.org/topic/blog-category/alzheimers-disea...

And, on a more entertaining topic:

https://www.science.org/topic/blog-category/things-i-wont-wo...

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by frereubu on Sunday April 26, 2026 @05:25PM (#47914703)
I miss Derek Lowe's "Thing I Won't Work With" series. I know there have always been large gaps between those posts, but it's been seven years since the last one so I guess they might be over. An excerpt from a favourite of mine:

"But I have to admit, I'd never thought much about the next analog of hydrogen peroxide. Instead of having two oxygens in there, why not three: HOOOH? Indeed, why not? This is a general principle that can be extended to many other similar situations. Instead of being locked in a self-storage unit with two rabid wolverines, why not three? Instead of having two liters of pyridine poured down your trousers, why not three? And so on - it's a liberating thought. It's true that adding more oxygen-oxygen bonds to a compound will eventually liberate the tiles from your floor and your windows from their frames, but that comes with the territory."

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/things-i-won-t-wor...

Re:Why Has There Been So Little Progress on Alzheimer's Dise... by dtgriscom on Sunday April 26, 2026 @06:26PM (#47915391)
Yeah; they had a wonderful earthiness to their language; both highly technical and highly vivid. Like this comment on hexanitroisowurtzitane:

> Recall that this is the compound whose cocrystal with TNT is actually less dangerous than the pure starting material itself, and yeah, I know that sounds like the guy at the pet store packing a starved Komodo dragon into the carrier with your new dog, just to calm him down some.

I'm guessing he just ran out of nasty chemicals. Either that, or he got tired of it and followed his muse elsewhere.