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Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by jdougan on Thursday December 19, 2024 @08:23PM (#42467426)
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Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by bavent on Thursday December 19, 2024 @08:35PM (#42467485)
How is this proof of anything except using guano as a fertilizer is maybe not a good idea? The “cannabis” portion is completely irrelevant and is there for clicks.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by behringer on Thursday December 19, 2024 @08:43PM (#42467518)
A meth head trying to justify his habit?
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by kderbyma on Thursday December 19, 2024 @08:50PM (#42467543)
Hmmm....nope. Meth heads and stimulant junkies end up fried......unable to function until they get back to baseline and it takes month+ for every month of recreational use to return to baseline......

add in actual chronic usage of amphetamines and cocaine and you end up with the attention span of a mouse and are less functional after you re-up than you were before you ever started....

the impact is so stark from amphetamines and stimulants it's fascinating that until you clean yourself up...you won't see it

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by redwood on Thursday December 19, 2024 @08:38PM (#42467497)
Those uppers are extremely addictive and change you socially. Careful. Slippery slope
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by mikey_p on Thursday December 19, 2024 @08:37PM (#42467492)
God what an idiotic take, this had nothing to do with "smoking herb" they died from handling the fertilizer directly without respirators. Nothing to do with product contamination.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by mikey_p on Thursday December 19, 2024 @08:34PM (#42467478)
Both deaths were folks growing their own cannabis, and they were handling the fertilizer directly. Not linked to product contamination in any way.

> The spores they inhaled were in fecal matter they had used or planned to use to fertilize homegrown cannabis plants, according to the report.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by ImPleadThe5th on Thursday December 19, 2024 @10:49PM (#42468113)
Maybe a better quote that shows its not due to product contamination:

> One of the men, who was 64 years old and smoked cannabis and tobacco, reported having a severe bat infestation in his attic that left behind a thick layer of guano, which he inspected several times and planned to use as cannabis fertilizer, the researchers wrote.

Insanity!

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by chrisweekly on Thursday December 19, 2024 @11:14PM (#42468229)
"bat shit crazy". literally.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by deepsquirrelnet on Thursday December 19, 2024 @08:47PM (#42467531)
People using organic fertilizers indoors should be mindful of the realities about what they are using. Many of these animal byproducts are not inherently ‘safer’ just because they’re organic. Especially in poorly ventilated areas, animal fecal dusts are not something I’d want inside my home. It might sound obvious to say that, but there is a mysticism around organic fertilizers that seems to obscure people’s thinking.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by addicted on Thursday December 19, 2024 @09:19PM (#42467682)
Well, it’s natural!

Unlike the other nasty stuff that’s made up of chemicals!

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by SteveNuts on Thursday December 19, 2024 @09:37PM (#42467764)
Can you imagine if you could buy supernatural fertilizer?
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by Teever on Thursday December 19, 2024 @10:54PM (#42468141)
Oh but you can.

https://www.supernaturalbrand.com/

I used to work at a hydroshop selling equipment and fertilizers. You wouldn't believe the whacky branding in this market.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by whycome on Thursday December 19, 2024 @09:00PM (#42467579)
People are way too lax with kitty litter
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by yunohn on Thursday December 19, 2024 @09:33PM (#42467747)
Yeah, the way people handle pet feces is quite frankly very concerning. How are they ok with cat litter full of feces just lying around for hours inside their home, especially during winter?
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by akira2501 on Thursday December 19, 2024 @11:01PM (#42468173)
> How are they ok with cat litter full of feces just lying around for hours inside their home

It's a furry animal that uses it's own mouth to clean itself afterwards. It's not just in the litter box, I promise you. Meanwhile people have flush toilets that function as a water powered waste dispersion gun so their own waste gets arbitrarily distributed equally well.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by yunohn on Friday December 20, 2024 @03:39AM (#42469322)
Agreed on the cat mouth/butt contamination.

But I wouldn’t compare a litter box to the toilet flush. At least the toilet ensures most of the feces (save for the particles you’re talking about) is sent away.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by CatWChainsaw on Thursday December 19, 2024 @09:37PM (#42467770)
The "organic" craze is completely baffling. Like, yes, shit is organic, it's also filled with a ton of pathogens that can kill you - a shitton, even!

Although I stick to composting food scraps and yard waste, when I read about manure composting basically all guidance said that in order for it to be safe you needed to make sure it went through a hot composting cycle and it was better to let it "cure" for a further two years afterwards. At that point I'd throw in the towel and only use it on things that were not for human consumption, and not even near things that are being grown for human consumption.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by RajT88 on Thursday December 19, 2024 @08:51PM (#42467546)
TIL you can buy bat guano online and die from it.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by neodypsis on Thursday December 19, 2024 @10:45PM (#42468094)
Reportedly, one of them had a bat infestation that produced a thick layer of guano in his attic, which he planned to use as fertilizer. He probably should have inspected his attic wearing a N95 respirator.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by aitchnyu on Friday December 20, 2024 @03:03AM (#42469154)
US used to maintain bat houses so they kill insects and drop guano. Wars were fought for guano caves. Then synthetic nitrates (Haber process) happened and the bottleneck keeping population below 1 billion went away.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by pwarner on Thursday December 19, 2024 @09:00PM (#42467580)
Both in Rochester NY? A small city. Seems unlikely unless it's happening everywhere and just not detected?
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by defrost on Thursday December 19, 2024 @09:15PM (#42467668)
A small city might explain how two cases were both noticed by similarity, if this was happening elsewhere it's possible the cases aren't being picked up for specific cause as the reality of autopsy and forensic study in the real world is that many cause of death examinations can be more cursorary and less CSI.

One case was third party purchase of bat guano, the other raw sourced from the subjects own attic.

Clearly this could occur anywhere that bats roost and|or bat shit is shovelled out and onsold.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by ajot on Thursday December 19, 2024 @09:10PM (#42467640)
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by tptacek on Thursday December 19, 2024 @09:13PM (#42467654)
This is weird, right? Histoplasmosis in otherwise healthy individuals seems to have an excellent prognosis.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by ceejayoz on Thursday December 19, 2024 @10:03PM (#42467900)
“The other man, 59, a heavy smoker who had emphysema…”
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by hulitu on Friday December 20, 2024 @07:29AM (#42470540)
Another proof that "smoke kills". /s
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by SubiculumCode on Thursday December 19, 2024 @09:29PM (#42467725)
Stay the fuck away from bats, man.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by loopdoend on Thursday December 19, 2024 @10:23PM (#42467995)
Cave explorers commonly get rabies prophylaxis as you can apparently catch it from the air without even being touched by a bat or their saliva.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by neodypsis on Thursday December 19, 2024 @10:49PM (#42468108)
Isn't that what happened to one of these guys? It is reported that one of them caught the fungus due to inspecting his attic (hadn't used the guano yet).
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by lazide on Thursday December 19, 2024 @11:34PM (#42468310)
Fungus is bad, but rarely kills healthy adults. These guys weren’t healthy.

Rabies is entirely another matter.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by immibis on Thursday December 19, 2024 @09:54PM (#42467852)
What about bat, man? Should I stay away from him too?
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by photochemsyn on Thursday December 19, 2024 @09:46PM (#42467813)
Solar ovens are handy for sterilizing organic fertilizer mixes in relatively small quantities. The simplest version is just a box lined with black absorbant material (not plastic, it might melt) with a glass plate on top, and orient towards the sun around noon for a few hours. Test it for sufficient heat generation for sterilization purposes by seeing if a metal cup full of water starts boiling.

Even then you should wear an decent mask when handling all fertilizers, you don't want to be breathing the dust regardless of whether it's synthetic or organic fertilizer.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by Beijinger on Thursday December 19, 2024 @10:48PM (#42468102)
You have no idea what sterilization means.

For 'moist' heat, temperatures of approximately 121–129 °C with pressure are used, whereas 'dry' heat requires temperatures from 176 to 232 °C for longer duration.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by southernplaces7 on Friday December 20, 2024 @01:37AM (#42468810)
How can this be the case if for something far more direct-to-the-gut like cooking, the process of heating your food to about 75°C for at least a few seconds is enough to kill every known pathogen (except maybe prions, not sure about them).

Given that, why would you need 121°C, let alone 232°C to sterilize things like compost?

I know that high temperatures don't destroy all known microbe-created toxins, but then, that's not the definition of sterilization, which is about simply destroying the pathogens themselves.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by lbotos on Friday December 20, 2024 @05:47AM (#42469972)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_(microbiology)

Cooking reduces pathogens to a “safe” level. Sterilization is meant to overkill and eradicate them.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by Beijinger on Friday December 20, 2024 @07:50AM (#42470673)
"How can this be the case if for something far more direct-to-the-gut like cooking, the process of heating your food to about 75°C for at least a few seconds is enough to kill every known pathogen (except maybe prions, not sure about them)."

Microorganisms are more stable than you think. Yes, 75 degree celsius kills some of them, but it is a log function. A few seconds won't help you that much.

And then there are some real bad ones that don't mind being boiled: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endospore

And we are not talking yet about extremophile organisms. The endospores will survive boiling water. Extremophiles can grow above 100 degree celsius. Obviously we are talking here deep sea level so that a hot spring can have over 100 degree without going to the gas phase. But these extremophiles are unlikely to be found in your kitchen.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by water-data-dude on Friday December 20, 2024 @05:48PM (#42475880)
“Fun” fact: prions can survive an autoclave!
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by loeg on Saturday December 21, 2024 @12:50AM (#42477794)
Cooking isn't sterilization (but maybe you don't need sterilization).
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by southernplaces7 on Sunday December 22, 2024 @06:18AM (#42485683)
To those of you who replied in good faith with explanations for an honest doubt I had about sterilization, I thank you. Details to keep in mind when cooking, or composting.

To those who downvoted my honest question about the temperature mechanics of sterilization of chemical substances (food and compost both being examples of such), Thank you for being the kinds of silly, pedantic neckbeards who give this website's comment threats a bad name on other parts of the internet.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by cyberax on Thursday December 19, 2024 @10:08PM (#42467932)
Solar ovens will absolutely NOT sterilize fertilizers. They _do_ kill most of e.coli and listeria bacteria, but plenty of bacterial spores will survive. It also will generate dust, that can be deadly.

Instead, you should keep the fertilizer in a heap under some straw. This lets a mosty-non-pathogenic microflora to get established and eat pathogenic bacteria.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by petre on Friday December 20, 2024 @12:18AM (#42468483)
Won't kill all spores, so no.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by AngryData on Thursday December 19, 2024 @10:31PM (#42468037)
The only animal shit I wouldn't worry about is cow shit, probably because it is so well digested and not having nearly any sugars as a grass to start with that there isn't much bacteria left that would find a human a good host. Everything else generally contains some not great bacteria that you don't want to catch.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by petre on Friday December 20, 2024 @12:16AM (#42468479)
Yup, I once drank water from a stream in which cows were pooping upstream. It had a distinctive taste. Nothing happened. I guess got lucky.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by neodypsis on Thursday December 19, 2024 @10:46PM (#42468099)
I assume must feces require prior treatment before they can be used as fertilizer.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by sollewitt on Thursday December 19, 2024 @11:45PM (#42468360)
Not really, it's just time before spreading and time for the soil bacteria to do their thing.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by aitchnyu on Friday December 20, 2024 @02:57AM (#42469136)
Cowdung was/is used untreated as manure in India, also as flooring and medicine. IIRC it was/is low in the list of health concerns.
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by akshayshah on Thursday December 19, 2024 @10:48PM (#42468105)
Batshit crazy.

(I just can’t help myself!)

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by noncoml on Friday December 20, 2024 @03:31AM (#42469287)
Cannabis has nothing to do with the deaths. They could have been fertilizing peace lillys with the same outcome.

Clickbait

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by namuol on Friday December 20, 2024 @02:36PM (#42474197)
The title:

> Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths

From the article:

> The men, who lived in Rochester, N.Y., were not named in the article, published this month in the journal Open Forum Infectious Diseases.

> […] “Exposure to bat guano among cannabis growers appears to be a recent trend that can lead to histoplasmosis cases and outbreaks,” the researchers wrote.

The title seems fair and accurate to me. This is a reflection of the findings of the researchers.

Subjectively, the takeaway I got from this was “stay away from bat feces”, not “stay away from cannabis”.

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by uncomplexity_ on Friday December 20, 2024 @07:04AM (#42470401)
this entire thread is a lot of today i learned :)
Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by johnea on Friday December 20, 2024 @06:53PM (#42476326)
The NYT is very firm in their position:

People should use alcohol, tobacco and firearms, like the little baby jesus intended!

Any activity outside of the holy trinity may lead to divine punishment...

Re:Bat Feces Used to Fertilize Cannabis Is Linked to 2 Deaths by BobbyTables2 on Friday December 20, 2024 @11:13PM (#42477501)
Where’s Ace Ventura?

Allllriiiighhittty then..