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Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by godelski on Thursday September 07, 2023 @07:54PM (#37427354)
These seem like very bad candidates. All are loan words, which is interesting, but we could go deeper if we're considering pineapple/ananas and coffee. And let's be real, words like robot and computer are mostly the same in this respect too, especially if we're considering taxi. But what about words that are more "native"?

How about "mama" and "papa"? There are variations, but these seem to be pretty small and mostly replacing the plosive in papa with a b or t. You can pretty much go down the google translate list and see. For mama sometimes the last a changes to an i. Here's some examples (not a linguist or many language speaker so please correct me if I'm wrong. Trying to add some sounding help)

Nearly identical in: Afrikaans, English, Spanish, French, German, Dutch, Hungarian, Japanese, Filipino

Albanian: mama, babi

Arabic, Chinese: mama (妈妈/媽媽), baba (爸爸)

Bulgarian: mama, tatko (татко)

Chez: mama, tatínek

Hebrew "i-ma" (אִמָא), "ah-bah" ̶"̶b̶a̶h̶-̶b̶a̶h̶"̶ (אַבָּא) (edited: thanks zimzam and ars!)

Korean: "Oh-mah" (엄마) "Ah-pa" (아빠)

My understanding is that these are pretty early words and need to be pronounceable by infants. I wonder what the first human words were and if we still use any of them. We have some constellation myths that are probably older than written language (not recorded, so can never confirm). The 7 sisters is a good example, but remember these are all always contested. We'll never really know tbh.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by nealabq on Thursday September 07, 2023 @08:40PM (#37427759)
Wikipedia has an article about Mama and Papa in various languages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mama_and_papa
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by zimzam on Thursday September 07, 2023 @08:28PM (#37427662)
Small correction: Hebrew for father is "ah-bah" (אַבָּא) not "bah-bah"
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by godelski on Thursday September 07, 2023 @08:34PM (#37427710)
Edited, thanks!
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by para_parolu on Thursday September 07, 2023 @08:24PM (#37427622)
In Georgian “mama” means father
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by romusha on Thursday September 07, 2023 @09:56PM (#37428332)
Georgians have been gender-unassuming since ancient time
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by godelski on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:01AM (#37429959)
Fun fact, there is a thing called a "noun class" which some people use synonymously with "grammatical gender"[0]. (not all noun classes are gendered) Personally I always liked the former term better because really just from a statistical point of view it doesn't make sense to me to call the "gender" conjugations gender based. There's far more inanimate objects that have a g̶e̶n̶d̶e̶r̶ categorical class than there are people, so I think it is more clear that you share the same categorical class as a table/chair/spoon/whatever than you do with the gender. I mean no French person thinks a vagina is masculine[1]. It always made more sense to me that the category is based on sound rather than gender because no person is really internalizing the gender of an inanimate object except for that one study that couldn't be replicated[2], so our brains don't seem to be placing strong connections on those (but do create strong connections with sounds).

Personally, it just feels like gendered languages just place men and women in different noun classes while non-gendered languages don't. But it feels weird to place the emphasis on the gender when the vast majority of things in the category don't have gender. It's all rather confusing and I'm not a linguist so don't take anything I say with high confidence.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noun_class

[1] https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-french-word-for-vagina-a-ma...

[2] https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/gcla-2014-000...

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by b3orn on Friday September 08, 2023 @03:04AM (#37430435)
Gender comes from french genre, latin genus, same origin as generic and and means class/kind/sort it just shifted in meaning and now doesn't fit that well anymore.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by adrian_b on Saturday September 09, 2023 @02:55AM (#37442892)
Greek genos, Latin genus and English kind are cognate words, deriving from the same Indo-European root.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by kubanczyk on Saturday September 09, 2023 @07:13AM (#37444069)
I think that "noun class" muddles the picture.

Experience of learning some gendered languages makes it painfully obvious that it's a runaway effect, some kind of a mind virus. If 3 alcohols the wine, the champagne, and the sangria happen to use 3 distinct rules for declination in a language (and make you sound like a nitwit if you misremember one) something must have gone seriously awry. Partying hard cannot require such complexity.

If there would be some usefulness in that distinction, you might argue that it's as useful to assign woman together with one of the alcohols, man with a different one, and a child with the remaining one. To me it looks like standing the issue on its head.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by maltelau on Sunday September 10, 2023 @04:23AM (#37453931)
Noun class is a benefit for reliable communication, and that's why most languages evolved (and kept) those mechanisms.

Languages are optimized firstly for the people that speak it as their first language. There are some suggestions that in some cases, a group of people that learned a language later in life can influence the development of the language too, but it's not the primary mover. When you are a L1 speaker, the grammatical gender doesn't really require any cognitive effort in most cases.

And there is an actual benefit in a conversation between two proficient speakers: redundancy. If you're in a bar that serves those three kinds of alcohol, if you were speaking a language without grammatical case, you'd only have to miss one word (the alcohol) to misunderstand the order. If there is also a gendered article, you'd be able to mostly understand the order even if you missed the alcohol.

They also let you communicate more complex ideas more easily but letting you use two or more pronouns in parallel without ambiguity. This sentence is confusing in English, but makes total sense in gendered languages: "Hand me the wine and the sangria. It's in the tall bottle, and it's behind that door"

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by kubanczyk on Sunday September 10, 2023 @06:50AM (#37454651)
> Languages are optimized firstly for the people that speak it as their first language.

Truly optimized? I'd rather say: having arrived at a random local minimum.

The anecdata I can offer. The people who speak this (non-fictional) language as their first one, struggle very much in the beginning. It's far from being given for free: children are not immune from opportunity costs.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by zem on Thursday September 07, 2023 @09:59PM (#37428349)
and "uncle" in hindi (mother's brother, specifically; hindi has different words for various kinds of uncle/aunt/grandparent depending on the path through the family tree)
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by TylerE on Thursday September 07, 2023 @11:03PM (#37428709)
I’ve never really thought about it, but that most sounds simpler than all the step/in-law/twice removed nonsense in English.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by zem on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:14AM (#37429631)
it gets way more complicated, unfortunately. check out this chart: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Hindi/Family_relations
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by troupo on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:34AM (#37429770)
The English "nonsense" is a simple system that is easily understood.

Every language that has separate terms for relatives is an impenetrable mess.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by serialNumber on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:21AM (#37430979)
You're saying this like it's an objective fact...?
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by troupo on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:51AM (#37431189)
It is an objective fact. As a speaker of Russian (native), Romanian and Turkish.

E.g., in English a spouse's parents are just that, parents-in-law. And the spouse's brothers and sisters are brothers- and sisters-in-law. That is it.

Let's take Russian. Each of the following is a separate term:

- husband's mother

- husband's father

- wife's mother

- wife's father

- husband's brother

- husband's sister

- wife's brother

- wife's sister

The inverse is also true. Your daughter's husband's siblings and parents have a different term from your son's wife's.

Very, very simple.

These are variations on the Sudanese Kinship category, and they are both arbitrary and complex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_kinship?wprov=sfti1

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by lifeformed on Friday September 08, 2023 @09:45PM (#37441373)
Check out the chart on Chinese relative names: https://blog.tutorabcchinese.com/chinese-learning-tips/famil...

Every relation had a different name, including if they are older or younger than you, and if they are male or female.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by ars on Thursday September 07, 2023 @08:26PM (#37427644)
It's "ah-bah" in Hebrew, not "bah-bah".
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by godelski on Thursday September 07, 2023 @08:34PM (#37427718)
Edited, thanks!
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by eru on Thursday September 07, 2023 @09:28PM (#37428139)
Turkish has an interesting deviation from the pattern: the Turkish word for mama is 'anne'. Turkish dad's follow the usual pattern though with 'baba'.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by godelski on Thursday September 07, 2023 @09:44PM (#37428247)
Is this similar to the name Annie? Or more like "ah-knee"? Either way, interesting note! I'm just really surprised that these words are similar across such varieties of languages. Like the fact that you have Asia, Europe, Africa, and from what I can find even the mama is similar in Cherokee[0]. So that's all continents! To me that's crazy. And extra fucking interesting that there appears to be (from my non-expert point of view) higher variance in papa than mama, and by a lot.

[0] https://navajowotd.com/word/akei/

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by eru on Thursday September 07, 2023 @09:50PM (#37428285)
> Is this similar to the name Annie? Or more like "ah-knee"?

It's probably easiest if you ask Google Translate to pronounce the word for you: https://translate.google.com/?sl=tr&tl=en&text=anne&op=trans...

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anne#Turkish gives the pronunciation as ɑnːe/, [ɑ̽n̪.ˈn̪e̞]

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by pinkmuffinere on Thursday September 07, 2023 @10:09PM (#37428403)
It’s similar to a stereotypical Canadian saying “on, eh?” eru’s response gives the best understanding though, as there’s no perfect English pronunciation of anne.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by selcuka on Friday September 08, 2023 @12:33AM (#37429356)
The origin of "anne" is "ana" (/ˈa.na/), though, which is closer to "mama". Also it is hypothesized that "ana" was derived from the babble word "nana".

Interestingly "ana" replaced the older Turkish word "ög" around 8th-9th century which further deviates from the babble word, and is still used in modern Turkish words such as "öksüz" (without-mother, orphan).

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by albert_e on Thursday September 07, 2023 @10:22PM (#37428467)
Some examples from India

Telugu/Kannada : mother is "amma"

Hindi: "maa"

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by sn41 on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:11AM (#37431327)
Same in Malayalam and Tamil.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by rootsu on Friday September 08, 2023 @07:19AM (#37432129)
Marathi differs a bit here.

Mother - aai Father - Baba Maternal Uncle - Mama Paternal Uncle - Kaka

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by tetromino_ on Thursday September 07, 2023 @10:32PM (#37428531)
The linguistic term you are looking for is "babble word" or "Lallwort" [1].

[1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Lallwort

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by bedobi on Thursday September 07, 2023 @10:37PM (#37428562)
don't mean to nitpick but not sure where you're getting Japanese from, in Japanese mama is Okaasan or Haha and Otousan or Chichi for dada. (I don't know the evolution of either of the words, it may be that they were closer to mama and dada in the past or distant past, but contemporar Japanese doesn't fit the pattern)
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by grose on Thursday September 07, 2023 @11:59PM (#37429119)
Mama and papa are used in Japan too. See constructions like “mama-tomo” (“mom friends”) and “papa-katsu” (“sugar daddy”).
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by mikepavone on Friday September 08, 2023 @12:05AM (#37429164)
These are recent loanwords though which the OP considered uninteresting
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by midoridensha on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:08AM (#37429592)
Those are loanwords, very recently borrowed from English, like so many other recent loanwords. That's what they're always written in katakana.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by Delk on Thursday September 07, 2023 @10:50PM (#37428635)
Robot intuitively sounds like it could be a good candidate.

I don't think "computer" is quite that universal, though. AFAIK it's something else at least in French, Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish and Estonian. I think Chinese has its own unrelated word, too. And about half of the African languages that I can easily check in Wikipedia have words that aren't at least immediately recognisable as related to the English word.

It's a commonly shared loan word but it doesn't seem to be quite that close to being shared by (nearly) all languages.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by harimau777 on Thursday September 07, 2023 @10:55PM (#37428666)
Computer in Chinese is 电脑 (dian nao) literally "electric brain".
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by nonsense_stream on Friday September 08, 2023 @12:15AM (#37429236)
This is inaccurate. Computer is “计算机” (computing machine),while “电脑” mostly refers to PC, even though they are sometimes used interchangeably the latter is distinctively narrower than "computer" while the former is equivalent.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by eloisius on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:39AM (#37429805)
And robot is 機器人, literally machine man. Mandarin is weird about loan words. Where the Japanese will gobble up any word and incorporate it into “Japanese,” Chinese goes through some complicated hoops to come up with a word etymologically rooted in Chinese. However, in practice everyone I know says “email” instead of 電子郵件.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by arthur2e5 on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:32AM (#37430182)
Japanese used to do this thing too -- back then Kanji was still the proper scholarly thing to use and scholars were the main contact to Western knowledge. In fact, a good number of Chinese words for Western concepts came from Japanese translations. 社会 society, 经济学 economy, 自由 liberty all came from Japanese translations.

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/漢語中的日語借詞

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by skhr0680 on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:00AM (#37431245)
I think it's because Japan was the first to adopt western education. It's why people you wouldn't expect to be were educated in Japan, like the founder of the CPC or Chiang Kai Shek
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by est on Friday September 08, 2023 @03:19AM (#37430542)
> come up with a word etymologically rooted in Chinese

So here's an interesting point: etymologically, Chinese is the only evolving language other than English.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by ArekDymalski on Thursday September 07, 2023 @11:45PM (#37429000)
Computer in French is called "Ordinateur". I think robot might be a strong candidate for an universal term.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by themoonisachees on Friday September 08, 2023 @12:44AM (#37429428)
Internet has to also be pretty up there. IIRC some languages do have their own word for it (and the Académie Française sure would like us to as well) but overall I think a lot of the world just uses the English word.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by foobiekr on Friday September 08, 2023 @12:49AM (#37429468)
Robot isn't even an old word - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.U.R.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by teddyh on Friday September 08, 2023 @03:55AM (#37430799)
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by pyinstallwoes on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:13AM (#37431349)
“In Czech, robota means forced labour of the kind that serfs had to perform on their masters' lands and is derived from rab, meaning "slave".”
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by helmchenlord on Saturday September 09, 2023 @05:05AM (#37443485)
This is an incorrect interpretation by people who want to see Karel Čapek's play "R.U.R."(Rossum's Universal Robots), which famously introduced the word "robot" into the English language, this way. While the root "robot" in Slavic languages goes back to "rab" for slaves, Robotnik (Russian/Polish), Robota (Czech) etc. has simply meant "worker" for ages, without any connotation to forced labour.

Fun fact: The word "slave" is derived from "Slavic people".

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by pyinstallwoes on Sunday September 10, 2023 @02:27AM (#37453425)
That smells like propaganda to me, sure, the automaton is a worker, but also a slave.

Slavs, slaves, robots, workers, oh my. A play on words, a tactic of spellings, coincidences abound, don’t be proud, it’s not sound, then just go on and turn around;; we assure you it’s no thing to keep in mind.

May we pray for the next generation called a robot for their children may tell of the times when their mind was paid no time, they’re workers they insist, how can they have sound mind? Consciousness oh my, they’re just robots spending time. Boundaries abound, mental confines surround, let my thoughts fly, but never mind. The thoughts were never mine.

Off I go, to the mines, pay no mind when I share mind, existence as I, robot, shall I, go on minding, my time.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by _moof on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:29AM (#37431038)
In Icelandic "computer" is tölva, a portmanteau of the words for number and seeress.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by gilleain on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:56AM (#37431209)
That's amazing :

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/t%C3%B6lva

"A portmanteau word, coined by Sigurður Nordal in 1965 from tala (“number”) +‎ völva (“prophetess”)."

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by hef19898 on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:00AM (#37431247)
Or simi for telephone. Another near universal word would be police, wouldn't it? Iceland of course is one of the exceptions!

I found those fun facts about Icelandic very fascinating when I first visited decades ago as a teenager.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by gilleain on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:26AM (#37431445)
Is 'police' that universal? I know Irish have the Gardaí - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garda_S%C3%ADoch%C3%A1na.

Yes, Icelandic has 'Lögreglu' and Greece has Αστυνομία (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenic_Police) but indeed most places use some variant of 'police'.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by swiftcoder on Friday September 08, 2023 @06:22AM (#37431804)
`Gardaí` is more of a formal name for a specific insitution. The Irish language still has the more generic word `póilín`, which appears to be at least phonetically related to the english `police`.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by WesolyKubeczek on Friday September 08, 2023 @06:24AM (#37431816)
Police is Rendőrség in Hungarian, translating to something like “order guard establishment” (-ség corresponds to -ness or -ery suffix in English, more or less, like “pékség” is bakery)
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by _moof on Saturday September 09, 2023 @11:22PM (#37452611)
They go out of their way to make new words rather than borrowing. Or at least they used to. That may have started to change in more recent times.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by misterben on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:56AM (#37431649)
And robot is vélmenni, machine man. Very resistant to loan words.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by skhr0680 on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:53AM (#37431198)
Chinese and Japanese = formally 電子計算機 (electronic calculating machine), everyday language uses a transliteration of "computer" in Japanese and 電脳 "electric brain" in Chinese.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by silverpepsi on Friday September 08, 2023 @06:10AM (#37431727)
電腦 in Chinese (rather than Japanese) characters to be pendantic :)
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by throwaway22032 on Friday September 08, 2023 @06:51AM (#37431996)
Chinese: 电脑 Diannao, lit. Electric brain
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by hackyhacky on Thursday September 07, 2023 @11:46PM (#37429005)
> Chez: mama, tatínek

I hate to be "that guy," but I think this is Czech, not "Chez" (which is a French word meaning "at the home of").

Also, if it is Czech, then the word for mother should be properly written máma (with the acute accent).

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by xiaoxiae on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:50AM (#37429882)
And it's not 'tatínek' (which is the 'soft' variant of the word) but táta...
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by hackyhacky on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:53AM (#37429900)
Tatínek isn't soft, it's diminutive, and although it's a correct word, it's not he word that children are likely to say.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by mikepavone on Friday September 08, 2023 @12:04AM (#37429153)
Japanese has mama and papa, but only as relatively recent loanwords. The closest (at least phonetically, though not necessarily in usage) native equivalents are haha and chichi
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by ashleney on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:22AM (#37429681)
Worth noting they evolved from papa and titi.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by nojvek on Friday September 08, 2023 @12:37AM (#37429384)
Hindi/Gujarati/Sanskrit has mata and pita.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by sn41 on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:07AM (#37431291)
That's mainly Sanskrit. It has various forms in most Indian languages. For example, Malayalam has "mataav^" and "pitav^"

But the commoner words for parents in Malayalam is "amma" and "appa/acha".

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by occamschainsaw on Friday September 08, 2023 @06:10AM (#37431732)
And mummy/pappa would be used be used colloquially in Gujarati, apart from the more formal mata/pita and other terms like ma/bapu.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by nojvek on Saturday September 09, 2023 @09:30AM (#37445171)
Correct.

I believe forms of “ma” and “pa”/“ba” are almost universal for mother and father.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by ajuc on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:15AM (#37429637)
Polish has mama and tata. Papa is only a loanword and less often used than papa as goodbye.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by yakubin on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:42AM (#37429822)
Or as the name for the black fabric you put on the roof of a house.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by AlotOfReading on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:33AM (#37429763)
Try languages from outside Eurasia.

K'iche (Mayan): chuch, qajaw

Mam (Mayan): txu, man

Kaurna (Pama-Nyungan): ngangkita, yarlita

Gurindji (Pama-Nyungan): ngamayi, ngaji

I doubt there are any words meaningfully conserved across all languages. That sort of thing would be the holy grail of phylolinguistics and a lot of very smart people have spent good chunks of their lives turning up nothing of the sort.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by sn41 on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:10AM (#37431316)
Even in Eurasia, I think there are languages like Mongolian - "eej" is mother in Mongolian. But the general premise that these are the simplest words for babies is still possible : eej is mother, aav, father.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by heikkilevanto on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:46AM (#37429848)
Finnish: äiti / isä

Also computer is tietokone, information machine

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by jjav on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:15AM (#37430054)
> How about "mama" and "papa"?

And then finnish is (of course) quite different. Mom = äiti, Dad = isä

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by stevekemp on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:03AM (#37431266)
All the Finnish children I know use äiti for mother, but I've seen a lot of variation with regards to naming fathers: isä, isi, and iska.

I must admit I've always meant to look at the differences, and see where they come from, but I've never quite remembered.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by askonomm on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:11AM (#37431320)
Dad in Estonian: isa, issi Mom in Estonian: ema, emme
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by euroderf on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:45PM (#37436878)
ema,emme is interesting. Finnish has (as a variant form of "mother") "emo", as in "emolevy" motherboard.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by askonomm on Sunday September 10, 2023 @02:56PM (#37458833)
In Estonian motherboard is emaplaat.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by aequitas on Friday September 08, 2023 @02:17AM (#37430066)
> My understanding is that these are pretty early words and need to be pronounceable by infants.

Anecdata, but one of my infants was able to “speak” papa at a really early age (it was more a repeated use of the sound ‘pha’). I don’t think she learned the word per se or we taught it to her but it was a sound that she was able to reproduce easily. As regard for mama. Both my daughters don’t really say that word yet but they mumble a lot of ‘m’ sounds when they are hungry. Which can easily shift into ‘mama’. (Or ‘memmen’ which is a Belgian word for breasts) So my theory is as well that some of these words derived from their use by infants when they desire attention or breastfeeding and were not “invented” by adults.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by friendzis on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:09AM (#37431307)
> So my theory is as well that some of these words derived from their use by infants when they desire attention or breastfeeding and were not “invented” by adults.

An addendum to your theory. Words with few short syllables, composed of vowels and labial consonants are probably the easiest to pronounce, therefore "independently discovered" by babies. They are not "invented" by adults in a sense that "hey let's use this word for this phenomena", but rather "assigned" in a sense that "the baby babbles this, so let's refer to this phenomena by it". I guess this process is similar to how onomatopoeias appear in languages.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by wodenokoto on Friday September 08, 2023 @03:00AM (#37430406)
Japanese has a lot of words for mother and unlike in English with mom, mommy and mother, they aren’t related.

The most common are okaasan (with a few variations of its own), haha and mama.

But mama is written with katakana suggesting it is a loan word. Which I find interesting in terms of the babble word theory.

It could also be katakana because it is considered derived from a sound like how onomatopoeia are often written in katakana, which would really support the babble theory.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by rizzaxc on Friday September 08, 2023 @06:08AM (#37431716)
haha is Chinese, so also a "loan" word
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by wodenokoto on Friday September 08, 2023 @06:24AM (#37431815)
Wiktionary seems to disagree, saying it’s a Japanese origin word. https://ja.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/はは

At least in modern mandarin mom is “ma”, but Chinese has so many dialects …

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by numpad0 on Friday September 08, 2023 @06:33AM (#37431886)
The literary character 母 is Chinese, spoken word はは is not, and some believe old pronunciation was closer to papa.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by naniwaduni on Friday September 08, 2023 @12:37PM (#37435911)
Bonus: ちち covers both titty and daddy. Food for thought. And babies too, I guess.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by fsniper on Friday September 08, 2023 @03:30AM (#37430609)
In Turkish Computer is "Bilgisayar" => "Info Counter". History of it is pretty nice. In the early days of Turkish Republic, with a push From M.Kemal Ataturk, Latin Alphabet is adopted. After that there was a movement towards using "Native Turkish" words instead of the adopted ones from other languages.

So after "computer" war introduced to Turkey, for a while "komputer" word was used for it. But Around 1969 Aydın Köksal, an Electric and Electronic Professor from Hacettepe University who was also influenced this movement tried new Turkish words for computing related terms. And " Bilgisayar" was termed at this time. There are also other terms coined by him and his colleagues like "hardware-donanım", "software - yazilim (meaning something written)..

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by ochrist on Friday September 08, 2023 @04:31AM (#37431050)
Greenlandic: Anaana, Ataata (T is pronounced more like a D)
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by alophawen on Friday September 08, 2023 @06:00AM (#37431672)
IIRC family relations and counting is most shared across cultures. Also a few words related to farming.

For example "mouse" is the same in ancient Babylon, even with the double meaning of a lady's private parts.

Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by euroderf on Friday September 08, 2023 @01:42PM (#37436840)
OTOH mother/mom in Finnish is "äiti" which sounds (to the foreign ear) like a distress call.
Re:Are Any Words the Same in All Languages? by TacticalCoder on Friday September 08, 2023 @05:17PM (#37439559)
> But what about words that are more "native"?

But what does that even mean? "Computer" or "robot" are too modern?

Where do you draw the line? What about "piano" ? That one is centuries older and is similar in a shitload of languages. Some do use a variation of "clavier" (keyboard) for "piano" though.

Is "piano" native enough or is that thing already too modern?