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Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by rbut on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:08PM (#30748253)
Talking about dark patterns, here are a couple I've noticed.

In Windows, I'm very careful about NOT signing in to anything Microsoft, unless I have to. I make sure I use a local administrator account instead of a Microsoft account.

Yesterday I had to open Microsoft Edge for something that would only work in Edge, and lo-and-behold, Microsoft had taken my Xbox Game Pass sign-in and applied to Edge, then informed me they are syncing all my browser history to their servers for my benefit..

It's even worse when you activate Office 365. There is a small checkbox at the end which if you don't uncheck, converts your local administrator into your Microsoft account.. Going back to a local administrator account is not an easy task.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by unhammer on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:35AM (#30752400)
> In Windows, I'm very careful about NOT signing in to anything Microsoft

and then you try to look at a picture of your kids but it's a HEIC file from an iPhone so Windows says you have to go to the Store and download Microsoft HEVC decoder which for some reason wasn't bundled with Windows but hey it's just a dollar oh that's nearly free we just need your credit card details and e-mail and make a user account and would you like a free newsletter with that LOOK OVER THERE whileweswitchdefaultbrowsers and check out what else is on sale today

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by tored on Monday March 21, 2022 @10:33AM (#30754582)
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Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by jjoonathan on Monday March 21, 2022 @11:03AM (#30754914)
- the part that does the actual work is still the same format dialog designed by David Plummer one morning all those years ago
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by CraigJPerry on Monday March 21, 2022 @08:33AM (#30753316)
Used to be able to get around this charge by using this link https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/p/hevc-video-extensions-from...

Not sure it’s possible anymore though or what an alternative might be now.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by alexklark on Monday March 21, 2022 @07:53AM (#30752981)
But who needs HEVC, when you have 3D objects.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Geenirvana on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:19AM (#30752301)
I do not mind logging into a Microsoft account however the most bizarre situation happened to me very recently.

I will occasionally log into my personal Microsoft account when accessing a Microsoft website when I am on Lunch to work on some personal projects.

At work last week, I was upgraded to Office 365 and as a result I started downloading the latest versions and trying it out in various ways. One of these was upgrading my old OneNote into the latest version (2013 -> 365)

Saturday morning, I booted up my own different PC at home and notice in the "Recommended" section on the Windows 11 start menu "Work 365". This is the name of the OneNote I created at work when I upgraded the document. I do not even have Office on my own PC. Hovering over it would show that it was located in my Works One Drive folder.

I must have been logged into my personal account on OneNote and it somehow meta-data? links it between the work and personal accounts.

I am now in process of removing all traces of my personal account from Windows on my work laptop as the very last thing I want to happen is to see personal files appearing in the Recommended section of my works laptop!

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by dustinmoris on Monday March 21, 2022 @07:15AM (#30752652)
Wow that is CREEPY AF and very very scary. This is an instant reason to never use Windows because I'd be so scared that I'd leak personal/private data to other people's computers. The really fucking scary thing is that even we both as power users who understand computers, the internet and how things work are even extremely vulnerable to those hostile dark patterns in Windows that less tech savvy family members would be absolute prey to those Microsoft hyenas. There is NO WAY that anyone in my family will ever use a Windows or Microsoft device. It will be iPhones and Macs for them for the rest of their lives.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Geenirvana on Monday March 21, 2022 @08:50AM (#30753487)
I obviously did not find it amusing.

I had my young son with me at the time so I didn't investigate it further. What would have I seen if I clicked the More > button in the Start Menu - would there have been more leakage? Have I logged into my work account on my personal PC at some point? Why did it only show the OneNote file but not any others? What happened if I actually clicked it and tried to open it? Did I simply make a mistake when using multiple accounts in one OS?

There are numerous questions I am asking myself that I don't have an answer for yet.

As far as I can see, I have removed all traces of my personal account off my work laptop now but I am hoping (not sure this is the correct wording in this context) that I can see still the file in my Recommended Section when I get home.

I really would like to know exactly how it can happen.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by hef19898 on Monday March 21, 2022 @09:10AM (#30753701)
If you take info sec seriously that should be immediate reason to ban one note, IMHO. Because if you are not trying to, MS will just spill company data to your private accounts for you!
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by tokamak-teapot on Monday March 21, 2022 @09:37AM (#30753951)
It’s not just OneNote. They are absolutely confused, as an organisation, about accounts, data privacy and data security.

I can’t, in theory, access my work’s OneDrive from my personal machines, due to a required SSO on top of Microsoft’s, and a VPN requirement. But somehow there are some of my personal files in my work’s OneDrive.

I don’t know how this happened. I can’t log into our VPN as it’s machine-locked (it checks before allowing you on) and therefore OneDrive is supposed to stop me accessing it.

I keep getting emails from Microsoft about an Azure Enterprise agreement that they have decided I have power over, along with a group of people from a random company that I’m not related to in any way. Someone did a typo and included me by accident? Not likely as I have an email address that’s difficult to accidentally use via typo.

Microsoft are taking people’s responses to the group as authorised instructions as to what to do with their enterprise agreement. I’ve responded several times and said I am not related but they keep emailing about it. I know a lot about that company’s people, structure and agreements with Microsoft now!

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by mring33621 on Monday March 21, 2022 @10:55AM (#30754826)
"emails from Microsoft about an Azure Enterprise agreement" == phishing
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by tokamak-teapot on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @06:56AM (#30764657)
They're really not. It's a real person at Microsoft, and they don't know how to fix it.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by mikevin on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:49PM (#30748676)
> It's even worse when you activate Office 365. There is a small checkbox at the end which if you don't uncheck, converts your local administrator into your Microsoft account.. Going back to a local administrator account is not an easy task.

I'm not even sure it's possible, I've tried multiple approaches but gave up after almost having to do a clean install.

Now I have to deal with an accountname that contains multiple characters that make WSL interactions with the windows paths a game of Russian roulette with shell quoting bullets.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by hef19898 on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:50AM (#30752124)
Oh, I installed two OSes last year: Ubuntu on my then daily driver (it still is my private one) and a clean Windows ten on my son's laptop. That used to be my old back-up and had my old company account on it, in addition to his school teams account. I tried to convert it to a local admin and throw his educational MS Office license on it. It ended with buying a second market Win10 license (I bought two, only one worked) and a clean, new install. Everything else just failed. I'll never use a MS Account for anything again.

That expends to MS Office subscriptions as well. I once bought one through (stupid, I know) GoDaddy as an extension to my domain mail service. It never worked, not once. I still paid for it, so. The user account didn't even exist on MS's end. Only way to get rid of it was to cancel the credit card behind it. MS stopped bothering me after two months of unpaid subscriptions...

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by nyuszika7h on Monday March 21, 2022 @08:27AM (#30753256)
> Now I have to deal with an accountname that contains multiple characters that make WSL interactions with the windows paths a game of Russian roulette with shell quoting bullets.

Really? For me, when I install Windows with a Microsoft account, it makes my username just something like "nyusz" rather than "nyuszika7h".

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by chillwaves on Monday March 21, 2022 @01:56AM (#30750755)
Can't you just make a new local admin account and delete all traces of the other account, including in the registry?
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Doctor_Fegg on Monday March 21, 2022 @03:37AM (#30751312)
The word “just” is doing some heavy lifting there…
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by hef19898 on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:50AM (#30752131)
So heavy I abandoned and went for a clean install and new Win10 license. Turned it was faster and easier.
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Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by leshenka on Monday March 21, 2022 @12:47AM (#30750406)
Unlike Meta/Alphabet, Microsoft actually has something that’s not shameful
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by raxxorrax on Monday March 21, 2022 @03:59AM (#30751465)
That is a pretty low bar to have in tech. A few years ago spying on your users was seen as a grave sin. This was changed by large tech corporations that groomed their developers respectively so that they can justify it to themselves.

So being the least bad tech company isn't too convincing.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by bcg361 on Monday March 21, 2022 @07:12AM (#30752634)
Who thinks spying on users is fine nowadays?
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by rapind on Monday March 21, 2022 @02:56AM (#30751043)
Off the top of my head, Project Zero?

I never forgave M$ for IE6 though, so I’m biased. A new generation is being lulled into thing they’re the good guys.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by ahmedalsudani on Monday March 21, 2022 @02:27AM (#30750893)
You don't think any of those are "not shameful"?

- Google search

- Google maps

- YouTube

- FB Messenger/WhatsApp

- Instagram

- Oculus

- FB Marketplace

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by throwuxiytayq on Monday March 21, 2022 @02:45AM (#30750994)
To be honest, yeah, I can't decide which one is the biggest anti-user shitshow. My personal favorite is YT which likes to make at least one universally disliked decision per year. But I'm sure everyone has their own.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by michaelmrose on Monday March 21, 2022 @04:58AM (#30751828)
Facebook marketplace is full of stolen goods boosted by meth heads that they won't do anything about.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by 29athrowaway on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:11PM (#30759760)
And Facebook groups are full of posts advertising impersonation services aimed to bypass background checks at jobs, notably delivery and ridesharing services, for people with criminal background and people that do not pass e-verify.

I have reported them but Facebook won't do anything about them.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by martin_a on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:43AM (#30752443)
All the sweet monthly active users and the ad revenue!
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by 29athrowaway on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:07PM (#30759730)
Where do you think they got the motivation to form monopolies in their respective areas?
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by hoseja on Monday March 21, 2022 @08:11AM (#30753132)
>embrace
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by nyjah on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:54PM (#30750045)
I saw this comment and began to wonder if it was necessary to make a throwaway to make your comment. But then I clicked the name and realized this account is used more than some random throwaway.

Almost had me asking hn if we were abusing throwaway accounts.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by _Algernon_ on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:15PM (#30748318)
Looks like switching to linux when win 7 support ended was the right move.

All my games may randomly freeze for no discernible reason, but at least I don't have to deal with that BS.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by foerbert on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:24PM (#30748405)
Really? I made the same move (or at least finished it 100%) at the same time, and that's not a problem I've ever seen.

Some (surprisingly few, actually) don't perform well under Wine/Proton, or at all, but random freezing I've never seen. And certainly not all of my games.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by skoskie on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:46PM (#30748647)
But it’s linux, so one obscure setting in a config file or slightly different hardware can make all the difference. I say this as a linux user since WinXP.

The whole OS market is pretty rough right now.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by oblio on Monday March 21, 2022 @03:00AM (#30751058)
> The whole OS market is pretty rough right now.

It's like this since it became clear smartphones were going to become the bigger market, so around 2012 or so.

Investment into desktop everything went down: OSes, apps, games, etc.

Heck, you can see this even for Open Source desktop stuff. There was a flurry of releases of cross platform Open Source software around 2009 or so: KDE4, better support for GTK on Windows, etc. All of that has slowed down or frozen in time.

Mobile has sucked all the money and hype from desktop development.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by ziml77 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @09:06PM (#30748827)
> The whole OS market is pretty rough right now.

This is my feeling over the past few years. No OS is in a great spot. But I have hopes for Linux being better supported with Valve using it on the Steam Deck. (Not the highest hopes, but more hope than I used to have)

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by GekkePrutser on Sunday March 20, 2022 @09:42PM (#30749076)
I don't agree. KDE in particular feels more well rounded than ever before. I use it on FreeBSD but I use Linux on servers and I'm also very happy with that.

Windows 10 is stable for me too though I was hit with the eTPM stutter bug (I use my Windows box exclusively for gaming, in particular VR which I didn't feel like figuring out in proton). But the windows dark patterns are surely there and I hate them. But as it's only my gaming machine I can deal with it.

And Mac... Well I moved away from it because Apple is locking down too much and I've come to hate opinionated software. Still they seem to be doing nice things with M1..

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by hparadiz on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:49PM (#30749576)
I recently got Apex Legends working and it's running perfectly at 144 fps in 2k on a 1080 ti.

I've also played FFXIV and Path of Exile extensively in Linux.

The only thing left is Adobe products which is honestly a matter of time. Just really takes hammering out some market share until Adobe relents.

A lot of the best kernel, driver, and gui shell improvements have only really hit their stride in the past 24 months.

Things are coming together rapidly.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by vanviegen on Monday March 21, 2022 @02:00AM (#30750777)
> A lot of the best kernel, driver, and gui shell improvements have only really hit their stride in the past 24 months.

Could you elaborate on that?

I've been using desktop Linux almost exclusively for the past 24 years (ouch!), and recent years seem pretty average to me. Things work great, most of the time, like always.

Unless you're talking about gaming. I'm not a gamer (or i wouldn't be such a long time Linux user) but I hear there's enormous progress on that front.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by hef19898 on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:14AM (#30752278)
Gaming was what held me back from switching for decades. Steam is doing a great job on that front, most recent (like in max 5 years old) games in my library work like a charm under Ubuntu. And that includes all AAA games. Old games are harder as those are, understandably, not on top of the priority list to convert to Linux. For those, and some rarely used other stuff I haven't bothered to figure out Linux alternatives for, I still use Windows.

If Linux based gaming continues on the current trajectory, I could imagine a world in which a great chunk of the consumer market switches from Windows to Linux.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Shared404 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:18PM (#30749828)
KDE on FreeBSD and Linux on servers seems an interesting choice, what was it that brought you to FreeBSD on desktop if you were using Linux on server?
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by GekkePrutser on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:39PM (#30749947)
Mainly that I like the concept of FreeBSD. It's just one OS, has excellent documentation. Some good tech like jails, zfs on root etc.

Apparently it's not great at WiFi but I don't use that on my main driver (NUC).

On Linux I use docker a lot, and while FreeBSD has its excellent jails, it doesn't have the whole ecosystem around them. So that's why I use Linux on the server side more.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by NeutronStar on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:52PM (#30749600)
I don't even use a desktop environment. Gonna be using a window manager for ever. Most of everything is run on the command line anyway.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by knighthack on Monday March 21, 2022 @12:40AM (#30750360)
How do you browse the Internet then?
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by hulitu on Monday March 21, 2022 @03:55AM (#30751439)
Seamonkey, Firefox, etc. You do not need a desktop environment to run a webbrowser.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by lelanthran on Monday March 21, 2022 @04:57AM (#30751821)
> How do you browse the Internet then?

I assume by

> using a window manager for ever

I've used WindowMaker as a Window manager for decades. Only recently did I decide to switch to Mate because I wanted a taskbar at the bottom with useful things like applets to show and switch Wifi/network, volume control and often-used icons/launchers.

TBH, if I could get things like tint2 and yabar working with the mate applets, I'd probably switch back to WindowMaker in a heartbeat.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by alxlaz on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:42AM (#30752437)
FWIW: most systray applets work with any of WindowMaker's dockapp systrays, and there are a few dockapps (wmappl, wmbutton) that allow you a slightly more compact often-used icons/launcher thing. Mate panel applets do need the Mate panel of course but you can generally find equivalents for just about anything.

I don't run Linux anymore (not natively, for everyday use, in any case) -- like most people in this thread I also think the desktop is a shitshow these days but it's a particularly bad shitshow in Linux, and I was using Linux in 2003 so I know what a shitshow looks like. But when I do still need to touch a Linux machine, WindowMaker is still my WM of choice. It's really good.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by anthk on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:31AM (#30752378)
use Fluxbox, you could set some applets with standalone software.

Pnmixer for Pulseaudio, NM-applet/connman...

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by xvector on Monday March 21, 2022 @01:28AM (#30750614)
You can use normal applications in a window manager. Window manager ≠ terminal
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by aenis on Monday March 21, 2022 @03:51AM (#30751399)
Lynx? Lynx still works for a lot of sites I frequent.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by reshie on Monday March 21, 2022 @02:30AM (#30750908)
you can start programs with just X. i use simple WMs but have put kodi in its own dedicated session. its kind of like kiosk mode.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Agamus on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:52AM (#30752500)
I dropped Windows for Linux with XP. I use Linux for all my computing needs, except a few video games that don't like Wine. For those, I do have a separate Windows machine that gets turned on to play those games (like a console), and turned off when I stop. Both machines are built desktops.

I never use the Windows box for anything else. No files, no coding, no internet browsing, no music, etc. No cameras, microphones, bluetooth adapters, etc. are installed. I turn that thing on every few weeks or so.

This has worked well, and is a compromise with which I can live. Try it, it's blissful!

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by darkwater on Monday March 21, 2022 @04:28AM (#30751638)
I don't play videogames and I'm perfectly fine with my Ubuntu install, it does everything I need it to do. Only gamers put videogaming as a must for an operating system.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by hef19898 on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:15AM (#30752291)
And that is getting constantly better with Linus as well, thanks to Steam.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by seanp2k2 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:48PM (#30749566)
I use macOS + Windows + Pop!_OS (Ubuntu-based) on a daily basis and they're all better or worse depending on the task at hand. They're all useable but imperfect. For me, Windows is for gaming and some music production stuff, macOS is my work laptop and dev environment, and Ubuntu is for most other things like personal use, but also my desktop dev environment.

Testing Windows stuff on an M1 Mac with Parallels doesn't work very well today (I have hope that we'll get there soon). Windows VMs work a lot better on my Ubuntu desktop, but a lot of our dev tools have mostly macOS users, so getting them to work with Ubuntu takes a bit of massaging at times. macOS is hard / unsupported to virtualize, so I basically have to use macOS when developing macOS software.

If we could run macOS as a VM, I'd choose Ubuntu / Pop!_OS for most things.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by fragmede on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:20PM (#30749841)
OS X virtualization is well supported by Parallels if you're on a Mac and are willing to pay for software (it's a just a few clicks via the GUI to set up and they offer a trial). I haven't tried it under windows, but it's still eminently possible.

Eg https://kb.parallels.com/en/125105 and https://osxdaily.com/2021/07/15/how-install-macos-virtualbox...

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by rbut on Monday March 21, 2022 @07:42AM (#30752897)
You can run macOS under VMWare Workstation Player on Linux using an unlocker. If you combine it with a serial from an actual mac you own, but no longer use, you can get iMessage working also.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by hparadiz on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:50PM (#30749585)
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by 29athrowaway on Sunday March 20, 2022 @09:32PM (#30749004)
Projects like Proton and Lutris are making it so that most of the configuration work is encapsulated in installation scripts that make most of that grinding go away.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by N3Xxus_6 on Monday March 21, 2022 @01:35AM (#30750656)
Yep this is the correct answer. Some many variables in Linux could cause an issue, like freezing.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by hulitu on Monday March 21, 2022 @03:56AM (#30751450)
The most notorious one is export FREEZE=1
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by tjr225 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:46PM (#30749984)
Unless you care about gaming MacOS has been rock solid for at least a decade. For what it is worth I am no mac fanboy, I am typing this to you on a windows 10 computer in my shop(that I use for gaming, among other things).
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by konstmonst on Monday March 21, 2022 @01:57AM (#30750762)
I've got a Mac at work and I hate it with passion. I now use my own linux Laptop instead. There is no del key, no home, ctrl and alt are swapped in some aplications and not the others. Login screeen does not remember the language and animations come back after every update even when I explicitly disable them. Muscle memory from other 99% computers I use doesn't work and most of the games don't. I feel like mac os is in contempt of me and I really hate it when I have to use it for mandatory tasks. Mac doesnt fit for me at all, I use Linux for Production and Windows for games
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by jjoonathan on Monday March 21, 2022 @11:16AM (#30755050)
> no del key

Ctrl+d, like in emacs

> no home

Ctrl+a. Also: Ctrl+e for end-of-line. Like in emacs. Also Ctrl+fbpn.

Works best with CapsLock->Control, which is a native GUI option, not something you have to install/CLI for (linux) or something you have to registry hack (windows). I really miss these on Windows and Linux, though not enough to fight the native layout. It's a rougher fight than you might imagine, though.

> Login screeen does not remember the language

It does for me, but more importantly: it shows it. Windows likes to swap the keyboard layout out from under me and doesn't show it. Mix with a 3-strikes-you're-locked-out policy at work, and it turns into pain.

> animations come back after every update

Yeah, that's fair.

> Muscle memory

That's not.

> I feel like mac os is in contempt of me

I feel like windows is actively malicious towards me and linux desktop doesn't care enough about me to do even minimum viable bugfixing. It's definitely a "pick your poison" situation.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by shadowgovt on Monday March 21, 2022 @02:50PM (#30758143)
The last time I had to use MacOS regularly, the thing that killed it for me was the lack of a tiling window manager.

I use xmonad in Ubuntu and I haven't dragged a window on my personal laptop in years. Not only was that option missing on MacOS, the underlying OS abstractions actually made it impractical to build the last time I checked; windows were owned by the application, there was no language to move another application's windows except asking the application to move its own, and doing that required the application to be frontmost. So tiling was a context-switch morass and a bad UX.

However, it appears the Accessibility Manager may since have grown enough feature hooks to support what I want, and https://github.com/ianyh/Amethyst may do the job. I'll have to test it the next time I have my hands on a MacBook of some flavor.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by prewett on Monday March 21, 2022 @11:35AM (#30755261)
Delete forward is Fn + delete, Home is Fn + up. It's not a specific key, obviously, but all those keys don't fit on a laptop. However, if you plug in your own keyboard I'm sure they'll be recognized.

My experience is that the only apps that use actual Ctrl on macOS are GTK apps, like Inkscape, and terminal apps (because Ctrl-C should be quite different from activating the menu item corresponding to the Cmd-C shortcut). Unfortunately, if you use non-native apps, you're going to get a non-native experience.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by technobabbler on Monday March 21, 2022 @12:28AM (#30750268)
Yeah, this. Macos is my daily driver and it does a good job of staying out of my way.

I recently got a windows pc just for gaming, and god DAMN it's annoying. Even worse than Vista. Nothing is consistent anymore and everything is always trying to grab my attention for irrelevant shit. What the hell happened :/

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by derac on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:58AM (#30752186)
As a long time Windows user, I highly recommend using this to turn off the useless crap.

https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by suby on Monday March 21, 2022 @09:48AM (#30754077)
In my experience, messing with Windows in this manner (especially with an unmaintained script as this one is) results in a broken installation after enough updates. I just let my Windows partition do whatever the hell it wants, and keep my use of it to absolutely minimal levels.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by jenscow on Monday March 21, 2022 @10:33AM (#30754583)
I always used that too.

However, it's ironic that the author has now given up on Windows, for the problems the script attempts to solve.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by dagw on Monday March 21, 2022 @09:20AM (#30753788)
Macos is my daily driver and it does a good job of staying out of my way.

As a long time Windows and Linux user who recently got a MacBook Pro, I find the UI incredibly weird and confusing compared to what I'm used to.

The hardware is however more than good enough that I'm willing to put up with MacOS until I get used to it.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by technobabbler on Monday March 21, 2022 @10:20AM (#30754444)
Yeah, it does take some getting used to. It's nice having a real shell though, and not have to worry about Windows Subsystem for Linux to get work done.

As someone who grew up with MS-DOS, Windows used to be really good until Microsoft started getting desperate and started shoving crapware down your throat... ads for Office, preinstalled Teams that starts up by itself, Skype, stupid Defender scans, nonstop UAC warnings, won't let you use a password instead of a PIN... all these dumb, user-hostile decisions. Zero respect for their users.

Apple has a bit of that now (iCloud logins, OS level notifications, bundled apps) but not quite as bad.

If Linux had Adobe Suite and MS Office I'd probably switch in a heartbeat. Need those to collaborate with other non-devs in the office.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by DeathArrow on Monday March 21, 2022 @04:48AM (#30751766)
In what way macOS being rock solid can help Windows users having issues such as those described in the article?
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by _Algernon_ on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:48PM (#30748666)
It's all games, both proton and native, on a specific computer. The issue didn't occur for a long time when I first installed, so I'm pretty sure its a software/config problem which a reinstall would fix. I just haven't gotten around to it. Probably a nvidia driver problem tbh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2lhwb_OckQ)
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by webmaven on Monday March 21, 2022 @12:01AM (#30750099)
There's a chance that your problems are being caused by bad RAM.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by pjerem on Monday March 21, 2022 @01:17AM (#30750567)
Really looks like damaged RAM. You should run a memtest.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by d110af5ccf on Monday March 21, 2022 @12:20AM (#30750221)
I also made the move to 100% Linux rather than move to Windows 8. Initially some games had issues but things gradually improved over time.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Skunkleton on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:43PM (#30748619)
Seems like luck of the draw. I’ve had the same random freezing issues
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by McAtNite on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:23PM (#30748400)
I’m desperately wishing for Valve to have success with the Deck so that Linux gets better attention from game devs. The last Windows machine in my environment is exclusively for PC games, and I honestly can’t wait to install Linux over it.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by fartcannon on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:42PM (#30748608)
Just start now. Think of unsupported games as you think of games for Nintendo and Sony machines. Your financial support of gaming on Linux will encourage developers to support it. Waiting just keeps the status quo.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by RussianCow on Monday March 21, 2022 @01:04AM (#30750500)
I did this a few years ago with the same mindset, thinking I’d still regularly boot into Windows, but I haven’t done so in probably over a year. I was surprised at how little I missed the games that don’t run (well or at all) on Linux—probably because there are so many good options these days.

At this point I’m thinking of deleting my Windows partition altogether.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by fartcannon on Monday March 21, 2022 @01:34AM (#30750639)
Yeah, if you ever REALLY need one you can just run it in an emulator. In 20 years, I've never REALLY needed it.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Zardoz84 on Monday March 21, 2022 @03:42AM (#30751329)
I made Kubuntu my main OS a long time ago, and I play a lot of (thanks to Valve, Steam, Wine and Proton...) games, and I never experienced a game freezing. My experience it's so good, that I only touch Windows to play Fornite.

The only annoying bug/problem that I have actually, it's that Dolphin could have a erratic behavior if I had mounted a SMB folder via an VPN and I end the VPN before un-mounting the SMB folder.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by nwallin on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:54PM (#30749609)
> All my games may randomly freeze for no discernible reason,

All?

My experience is that 90% work fine, 9% have weirdness, (for instance, voices in Skyrim are out of sync with mouth movements) and 1% of them have game breaking bugs.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by dimgl on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:07PM (#30749753)
Yeah, I have the experience as OP. Every single game I play on Linux has random hitches for seconds at a time.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by freedomben on Monday March 21, 2022 @12:02AM (#30750102)
Can you keep an htop running by chance? It would be very helpful to see if CPU is maxxing out when the hitches happen, or if the swap file is growing, etc.

Any time it happens to me, it's usually low resources because of something. Most often some chrome tab (or 3) that are going crazy. I also discovered that one of the apps that I thought was using hardware acceleration actually wasn't. The CPU usage made it pretty clear that the CPU was doing a ton of work.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by fsflover on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:33AM (#30752033)
Sounds like a typical problem with an Nvidia GPU.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by dagw on Monday March 21, 2022 @09:21AM (#30753810)
I've found that AMD APUs are by far the worst supported GPUs on Linux. Nvidia gives me far less problems.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by creakingstairs on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:26PM (#30748426)
I can’t wait for Proton to get better so I can ditch Windows for good. I know it’s already really good and it will run for most of the game I play, but I do like to dabble in competitive online or AAA once in a while :(
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by deadbunny on Sunday March 20, 2022 @09:03PM (#30748799)
Proton is great, anticheat work fine with it. It's up to the producers of AAA games to enable it now.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by etataetaet on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:46PM (#30749549)
I've probably played ~15-20 games on wine now and literally all have worked with, at most, minimal tweaking (Changing the proton version). I mostly play single player or indie multiplayer so I haven't had to deal with the anti cheat.

Only game that hasn't worked with Proton is Oneshot and its kina understandable considering the games context... It did have a linux version that mostly works out of the box though!

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Mindwipe on Monday March 21, 2022 @12:13PM (#30755803)
Proton and VR are currently not happy bedfellows.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by seanp2k2 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:43PM (#30749531)
I've had the freezes happen when my nvidia drivers weren't properly installed and when the kernel wasn't using the nvidia DKMS modules. glxgears should run super fast at a consistent framerate. Check out https://gist.github.com/wangg12/c69b56272eaeed1aba9515d19f55...
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by ipaddr on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:50PM (#30750007)
A update is needed as most are on 20.04
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by rkagerer on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:27AM (#30751995)
Stayed on Win7 in hopes MS would get their sh*t figured out by now. Looks increasingly like my next PC will need to be Linux and some VM's.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by simion314 on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:26AM (#30752345)
>All my games may randomly freeze for no discernible reason,

Could be a GPU thermal issue, happens to me with old games that have no FPS limit, then the GPU does so much work that it hangs for some reason(Nvidia GT970), I am not sure if is my GPU broken/dusty, the driver bugged or Xorg, Windows users only see a game crash not a full system crash.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by mobilio on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:47PM (#30748650)
I do this switch 13 years ago just before 7 was released to macOS.

So mine last Windows was XP.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by jart on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:41PM (#30748602)
That whole thing with Edge has got to be the biggest information heist in the history of the software industry. Everyone on Windows basically woke up one morning and Microsoft was like, greetings, we've backed up your hard drive to our cloud. Always do your work in a terminal folks!
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Silhouette on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:22PM (#30748385)
Yesterday I had to open Microsoft Edge for something that would only work in Edge, and lo-and-behold, Microsoft had taken my Xbox Game Pass sign-in and applied to Edge, then informed me they are syncing all my browser history to their servers for my benefit..

I'm not sure how that sort of behaviour isn't a clear violation of all kinds of privacy laws in 2022.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by userbinator on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:16PM (#30749300)
I'm sure it was specified somewhere in the EULA that you were forced to agree to long ago while installing the OS. It's been a while since I've looked at it too, but I believe there's a clause in there that also permits them to change it at any time without telling you.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Silhouette on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:27PM (#30749395)
One of the few really good things about some modern privacy laws is that this kind of defence carries almost zero weight. You don't get to do scummy things and then claim that the user "consented" because of some small print on page 50 of some document no-one ever reads before clicking the button they have to click in order to use the software they just paid for.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Nextgrid on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:38PM (#30749484)
But the problem is that in practice I still don’t see those laws being enforced in any meaningful manner. Case in point, Microsoft is doing this - they’re not stupid, they’ve reviewed the legal implications that and rightfully decided that they’ll benefit more than the penalty from enforcement if it ever happens. Same with Google, Facebook, etc.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by seanp2k2 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:51PM (#30749587)
It's funny how quickly they forget the lessons of https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-21684329 and https://www.computerworld.com/article/2564087/european-commi... .

I guess we need higher fines to get the message across.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by hulitu on Monday March 21, 2022 @04:01AM (#30751479)
They (Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, etc.) do not care about one payment of a couple of milions dollars.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Silhouette on Monday March 21, 2022 @08:48AM (#30753470)
Do you understand that the potential fines for violations under some of the recent laws (notably the GDPR) have a few extra zeroes on that? The limiting factor at the moment seems to be a lack of resources for the regulators that are responsible for enforcing privacy rules. Obviously a big tech firm facing a fine that could run to hundreds of millions is like to exhaust their legal avenues for challenging it before handing over the cash. It's going to take time and money from the regulator's side to deal with those challenges before any big penalties get applied effectively.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Nextgrid on Monday March 21, 2022 @09:27AM (#30753850)
> Do you understand that the potential fines for violations under some of the recent laws (notably the GDPR) have a few extra zeroes on that?

That's been the case for 4 years now, none of these fines have occurred. The total amount of fines across all companies over those 4 years is barely above 1Bn.

> The limiting factor at the moment seems to be a lack of resources for the regulators that are responsible for enforcing privacy rules

Not just resources but also willingness. I have the feeling that nobody actually wants to enforce this and campaigning for doing so is a politically-risky move, as not only does your campaign rely on the same companies that would be fined, but those companies now control the majority of humanity's social fabric and can trivially restrict even organic sharing of information/links about your campaign.

Worse: in the UK, there's been news about actually weakening the GDPR, based on the Culture Secretary being stupid (or having financial incentives for doing so) and actually believing the tech industry's vilification of the GDPR. Hint: if an industry making a huge chunk of its profit based on non-consensual data collection complains about data protection laws, it means the laws are actually working as designed. Most likely, this insanity will also go ahead, if it didn't already.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Silhouette on Monday March 21, 2022 @03:31PM (#30758641)
That's been the case for 4 years now, none of these fines have occurred.

The largest fines so far have been approaching 9 figures, far more than the "couple of million" in the comment I replied to above.

That's not pocket change even for a multinational and of course there has to be reasonable due process before handing out that kind of penalty. If anything I'd say the fact that several eight-figure penalties have already been handed down is reassuring.

I have the feeling that nobody actually wants to enforce this

I'm genuinely curious about how you formed that impression. Here in the UK our data protection regulators have been fairly consistent in their public views on these issues under multiple Information Commissioners now and have handed down some significant penalties, so I don't really buy the conspiracy theories about corruption and so on.

Worse: in the UK, there's been news about actually weakening the GDPR, based on the Culture Secretary being stupid (or having financial incentives for doing so) and actually believing the tech industry's vilification of the GDPR.

As someone who is both a strong proponent of privacy safeguards and involved in running businesses that actually have to comply with the GDPR, I have very mixed feelings about this.

On one hand I don't like the idea of weakening important privacy protections and I have no faith whatsoever in the competence of the current government here to understand the technical or social implications of these policies.

On the other hand I also don't think much of the GDPR as written. It's full of ambiguity and it is unnecessarily difficult for a good actor to comply with it, particularly smaller organisations that don't have dedicated staff to deal with this kind of admin and also don't have any interest in doing things with personal data that most of us here probably wouldn't like. People like to focus on a tiny number of points that we'd probably agree are positive steps or at least well-intentioned, but the GDPR is roughly a hundred pages long and that's before you include supporting materials like official guidance on interpretation from all the different regulators. There are a lot of small and a few big problems in the rest of those pages once you look past the headlines. Not coincidentally those areas also tend to leave loopholes that some bad actors are relying on to escape the trap.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Nextgrid on Monday March 21, 2022 @04:17PM (#30759161)
I don't have first-hand experience with other DPAs so I can't comment on those, though the fact that Facebook and Google are still around and still have business presences in most EU countries suggest they aren't much better.

I have multiple experiences dealing with the UK one, spending unreasonable amounts of time raising complaints for obvious breaches of the GDPR with no outcome. I've summarized my experience here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30662905

Not to mention, this high-profile incident which they are themselves proud enough to announce on their own website: https://ico.org.uk/about-the-ico/news-and-events/news-and-bl... - so you've got a company whose entire business is to manage people's personal data and is large enough to have the resources to understand & comply with the regulation, and you caught them red-handed misusing data that people outright had no choice in giving up (I don't know any bank that allows opting out of CRA reporting even if you never actually intend to take out credit) for a purpose that's definitely not in the data subjects' best interests, and the outcome is a letter?

What message do you think the above sends? To me it sends that breaching the GDPR absolutely does pay and you should absolutely do it at least once because even getting caught brazenly breaching it (considering the size & resources of said companies, number of people impacted and the fact people had literally no choice) will lead to just politely being asked to stop with no monetary penalty nor having to compensate the affected users.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Silhouette on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:49PM (#30749574)
They're starting to be enforced but obviously the regulators particularly in Europe are underfunded and there are a lot of bad actors to chase. I imagine Facebook and Google both rate higher than Microsoft for now. That doesn't mean there won't be significant penalties later, particularly as governments come to realise how lucrative penalising these big tech firms can be under the rules they've created for themselves.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by hulitu on Monday March 21, 2022 @04:01AM (#30751482)
And there is also cortuption.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by krageon on Monday March 21, 2022 @04:37AM (#30751693)
> You don't get to do [...]

The response to every legal argument is "yes, you do" as long as you have enough money. Lo and behold, Microsoft is swimming in it.

Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by Nextgrid on Monday March 21, 2022 @07:00AM (#30752553)
Not only do they have enough money to begin with, but they're earning way more from this than any fine they can realistically expect (if a fine ever comes, that is).
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by thow-58d4e8b on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:02AM (#30751845)
Just because a criminal hasn't been caught and sentenced doesn't mean they didn't commit the crime
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by zerkten on Monday March 21, 2022 @09:44AM (#30754027)
It gets more complicated than that. Imagine having to sign into the machine with a work (AAD) account. Potentially, your machine can be taken over and bound to AAD policies operated by IT at the same time it's connected to a personal account. Very messy.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by dm319 on Monday March 21, 2022 @11:13AM (#30755014)
Wow, I feel like that goes beyond a dark pattern and strays into unconsensual abuse (excuse the truism). I feel like a dark pattern persuades and tricks you into doing something, but won't outright do something without your consent. Reminds me of when Linked In did that thing where it sent unsolicited emails after getting access to your address book.
Re:Windows needs a change in priorities by stonemetal12 on Monday March 21, 2022 @09:42AM (#30754003)
Maybe I am being silly about it but Minecraft just migrated from mojang accounts to MS accounts. I am worried they are going to pull these sort of hijinks with that.