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Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by blago on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @08:21AM (#29317446)
This is not just the US but also China, India, Japan, South Korea and the U.K. It's serious enough that OPEC+ is threatening "response".
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by rblion on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @08:28AM (#29317521)
Hmmmm. Why are we needing to get oil from the reserves? Is this due to politics or demand or both? Could this lead to global conflict?
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by mc32 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @09:08AM (#29317954)
On the one hand he’s closing pipelines which are safer than rail for oil transport. On the other hand he’s asking/telling OPEC to pump out more… Canada is willing but we’re closing pipelines. And then, we get into the business of telling Europe whether they should put up with higher natgas prices because we have an opinion about nordstream II.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by dntrkv on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:10AM (#29318671)
You really have no ability to differentiate between those things?

Preventing new pipelines from being built == long term effects

Nord Stream == long term effects

Asking OPEC to supply more gas for our current needs == short term effects

Building pipelines is a commitment to consume more fossil fuels in the future. Whereas, increasing production to lower prices in a time of global shortages of every kind, is not that.

Stop trying to equate two completely different things. They're not even in the same ballpark.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:28AM (#29319732)
Pipelines lower costs. To the extent that that's bad, it's because it makes fuel less expensive, so people buy less efficient vehicles that use more fuel. It's the same reason why a carbon tax is a means to reduce CO2.

The fact that the pipelines are in the future makes them less effective at reducing CO2. You want people to buy hybrids and electric cars right now, not wait until years from now. Lowering the present day price of gas is the worst thing to do.

If people are struggling then cut some of the pork and send more stimulus checks instead. Heck, do a carbon tax and refund all the money -- the average person comes out ahead because some of the tax gets paid by corporations and all the money goes to individuals.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by vinay427 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:54AM (#29319245)
> And then, we get into the business of telling Europe whether they should put up with higher natgas prices because we have an opinion about nordstream II.

There are more than enough voices within Europe doing that already. The US simply adds to the mix, not in opposition to “Europe.”

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20210119IP...

> Following years of deteriorating relations, MEPs stress the importance of critically reviewing cooperation with Russia in various foreign policy platforms and on projects such as Nord Stream 2. They call on the EU to immediately stop the completion of the controversial pipeline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream

> The Nord Stream 2 pipeline was also opposed by former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, former U.S. President Donald Trump, the European Council President Donald Tusk and British foreign minister Boris Johnson.[179][180] Tusk has said that Nord Stream 2 is not in the EU's interests.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by mc32 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:05AM (#29319411)
I can understand the Polish opposition. Trump probably wanted to look tough in the face of ‘Russia’ accusations which so far have not been proven. Boris was just jockeying -a more energy source diversified Europe is less dependence on the UK. But US complaining about Nordstream makes as much sense as Russia complaining about the US building the XL pipeline or drilling in the ANWR. It’s meddling for kicks.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by Anechoic on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:02AM (#29318578)
On the one hand he’s closing pipelines which are safer than rail for oil transport.

By "he" I presume you're referring to the Biden administration. What "pipelines" have they closed? Biden pulled the permit for the Keystone XL, but that's not so much closing a pipeline as prohibiting a new one from being build (maybe you were including that under the umbrella of "closing"?). The other Keystone pipelines are still operating.

There is also news about possibility closing the Line 5 pipeline, but that hasn't happened and he recently indicated that he had no intention of closing it.

Is there another (or multiple other) pipelines that have been shutdown by the administration? A google search only comes up with the Keystone XL and Line 5 pipelines.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by satronaut on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:29AM (#29318929)
"what pipelines did he close?" then you say "A google search only comes up with the Keystone XL and Line 5 pipelines". There's 2 rite there. Oil prices go up, choke supply by closing down 2 pipelines, and then complain/blame trump that prices are going up. Please explain your thought process joebiden.info
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by ncallaway on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:00AM (#29319337)
Keystone XL was (as the previous comment says) not a closure, but preventing new building.

Line 5 is not something Biden closed. How are you counting a pipeline that Biden didn’t close and Biden has no plans to shutdown, as a closure? I don’t understand how you get to 2 closures.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by satronaut on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:24AM (#29319663)
Keystone's construction was shut down. It was going to be operational and now it's not due to an executive order that biden signed day 1 in office. That's shutting down a pipeline.

Line 5 is very much still possible to be shut down due to the democratic party's goal of creating a false energy shortage. Whitmer keeps complaining about it and I'm sure that harris and pelosi will tell biden to cancel it and he'll just go "okay".

joebiden.info

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by 1234letshaveatw on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @01:52PM (#29321650)
Line 5 would impact prices a few cents in Michigan- believe it or not most of the oil goes from Canada, across MI and back into Canada. I'm fine with shutting it down. Canada can run their own "landlocked" pipeline to Sarnia.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by briffle on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @01:36PM (#29321406)
The Trump administration shut down (denied permits and licensing) 3 times for a natural gas import/export Terminal that was going to be built in Coos Bay Oregon, to connect to the 4' pipeline the feeds Oregon and California.

I guess they hate energy too...

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by edaemon on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:48AM (#29319184)
The Keystone XL pipeline has never been operational; you can't close something that never opened. Enbridge Line 5 hasn't closed, and the closure order (which Enbridge has refused to follow) came from the Michigan Governor, not the Biden administration.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by jjallen on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @08:39AM (#29317613)
We don't _need_ to. It is to lower prices that are fairly high and OPEC doesn't want to increase supply. So governments are doing what they can to increase supply and retaliate against OPEC.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by nanis on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:25AM (#29318876)
Depleting reserve capacity does not increase the long term supply curve. When the reserves are depleted, you are back where you started because the supply shocks are real. Production possibilities are down globally due to the destruction wrought by measures where the sole concern is CYA by governments when it comes to COVID19.

An increase in supply would mean more oil available at every price. That can only happen by getting it out of the ground, transporting it to refineries, distributing the resulting product to gas stations etc.

Higher prices in the face of increasing inflation may just maintain the incentives for producers in non-OPEC countries. Releasing reserves, to the extent that it can have an effect, will tend to counteract that incentive.

If this is due to sinister plans of OPEC governments, one must realize that it is certainly within their capacity to wait for the temporary increase in quantity available to dissipate.

Current total U.S. reserves[1] are 605 million barrels. Of which 253 million barrels are sweet.

> In 2020, the United States consumed an average of about 18.19 million barrels of petroleum per day, or a total of about 6.66 billion barrels of petroleum. This was the lowest level of annual consumption since 1995.[2]

According to this[3],

>> Sweet crude oil contains small amounts of hydrogen sulfide and carbon dioxide and it is commonly used for processing into gasoline, kerosene, and high-quality diesel. Before sour crude oil can be refined into gasoline, impurities need to be removed, therefore increasing the cost of processing.

Therefore, it doesn't sound like releasing the sour variety would do much to reduce gas prices.

Putting these facts together, if the U.S. depleted all its sweet reserves in this folly, it would cover about two weeks of consumption.

[1]: https://www.spr.doe.gov/dir/dir.html

[2]: https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=33&t=6

[3]: https://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/glossary/sweet-vs-sou...

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by woodruffw on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:58AM (#29319311)
I don't know enough about the SPR to have opinions about it in particular, but the economic reasoning in this phrase is a little funky:

> Putting these facts together, if the U.S. depleted all its sweet reserves in this folly, it would cover about two weeks of consumption.

The US doesn't need to deplete or even come close to depleting any reserve or resource to depress prices. The strategic timing of this announcement suggests that depressing prices is the real goal anyways: lots of Americans are going to be driving around for the December holidays, and 10-20% lower gas prices can make a difference.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by nanis on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:29AM (#29319742)
According to AAA:

Regular unleaded average price in NY state: $3.566/gal yesterday, $2.218/gal a year ago for a 61% annual increase[1].

If this temporary blip could cause prices to go down by 10% (during a time where demand for other uses for oil are also going up), then prices would be up only 45% from a year ago.

Assuming Biden is releasing the sweet variety that can be readily used to make gasoline, this first step is going to deplete about 20% of the SPR.

How many of those shots does he have?

People who think they can command and control the economy, regardless of the ideological banner they choose for themselves, have caused more misery, poverty, death, and destruction than anyone else. True to form, he is continuing with that.

For NY, this page[2] has figures going back a decade. These are nominal prices. Still, whether inflation adjusted or not, last year was an anomaly. Last October, prices were down 20% from the previous year in line with the depressed economy.

So, if you compare October 2021 with October 2019, nominal gas prices are 30% higher and real prices are 20% higher. On the other hand, in October 2012, gas prices were 43% higher in real terms, so there is that.

Except, in this case, consumers are facing a widespread sustained increase in all prices. 50 cents more for a latte may not mean much to a single person, but 100% increase in the price of fresh produce and almost 80% increase in the prices of meat & poultry have significant effects for a lot of families. And these are the predictable effects we are seeing. It is only going to get worse from here. In terms of historical reference, we are in the mid-60s. We have a long ways to go before we reach the mid-90s.

[1]: https://gasprices.aaa.com/?state=NY

[2]: https://www.nyserda.ny.gov/researchers-and-policymakers/ener...

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:00PM (#29322583)
> Depleting reserve capacity does not increase the long term supply curve.

The intent is not to “increase the long term supply curve”, it is to increase short-run supply and mitigate short-term pricing pressure on fuel, and therefore transportation, and therefore all goods and services that are either transported or require the transportation of other people or goods in their supply chain, which is, approximately, everything.

It is an immediate-term effort to prevent additional inflationary pressure from fuel prices. There’s other venues for intermediate and, if necessary, long-term measures to control general inflation.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by nanis on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:50AM (#29319200)
According to this[1]:

> President Biden announced Tuesday that his administration was releasing 50 million barrels of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to help combat rising gas prices — hours before millions of Americans are expected to hit the road for Thanksgiving.

[1]: https://nypost.com/2021/11/23/biden-approves-release-of-50m-...

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Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by kibwen on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @09:09AM (#29317975)
India, China, Japan, Korea, and the UK are not doing this to prop up Biden's popularity. Sometimes (nearly every time), a cigar is just a cigar.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by sAbakumoff on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @09:32AM (#29318224)
but sometimes a cigar with 40% approval rating confirms that he is looking for re-election[1] in 2024 right before opening the oil reserve

[1] - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/22/joe-biden-in...

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @09:48AM (#29318397)
Voters barely remember what someone did six months ago. You honestly think they are going to remember, or care, what gas prices were 3 years before an election?
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by sAbakumoff on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @09:59AM (#29318535)
I think that by lowering gas prices he slightly increases probability of "Build Back Better" to be passed because somehow republicans and radical democrats(Manchin and others) were able to couple future spending plans with the current inflation and gas prices and sell this BS to the public.

BBB is a big win for Biden and it could help him and dems in 2022 and 2024.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by treeman79 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:08AM (#29318649)
Losing a war. Leaving hundreds of Americans stranded, people who helped us being slaughtered.

You don’t come back from that.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by jasonlaramburu on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:40AM (#29319068)
Pretty sure that war was lost a long time ago.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by sAbakumoff on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @12:14PM (#29320340)
I thought that Obama actually won this war back in 2012 when they found and killed bin laden, no?
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by hermes8329 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @04:35PM (#29323860)
That was basically the only win in that war
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by trasz on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:38AM (#29319044)
Yeah, paying attention to a a few troubled Americans while ignoring hundreds of thousands of actual victims sounds like typical US mentality.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by hermes8329 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @04:36PM (#29323875)
That war was lost on 2003. Biden finally put a fork in it
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by dTal on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:36AM (#29319018)
All US presidents seek reelection. This narrative has zero explanatory or predictive power.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by sAbakumoff on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:58AM (#29320158)
Biden is 79 years old and he demonstrated some terrible mental health issues at times when he came out of the basement last year. it's not clear why he would seek for reelection given these conditions.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by swarnie on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @09:58AM (#29318519)
You put far too much faith in the American electorate....
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by tomc1985 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:18AM (#29318779)
The government is actually trying to do something for folks and yet they are still ungrateful
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by zthrowaway on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:24AM (#29318857)
By shutting down the keystone pipeline which jump started this mess? The government doesn’t help you. You are just here, they do what is in their best interest. Big daddy government won’t solve your problems.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by tomc1985 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:36AM (#29319015)
How do you extrapolate all that from such a simple statement?
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by fortran77 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @09:21AM (#29318101)
He told Landlords that they can't charge rent anymore -- he should just tell gas stations that they can't sell gas for more than $N/gallon
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:34AM (#29319831)
> He told Landlords that they can't charge rent anymore -- he should just tell gas stations that they can't sell gas for more than $N/gallon

I strongly support this idea because the fallout will be so swift and severe that it will teach a generation of people to never do such things again.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by grandmczeb on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:38PM (#29323169)
The existing supply of price control failures is quite large. I’m guessing a strategic release of a new example will likely not have much of an impact.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @04:12PM (#29323610)
It's pretty obvious that there are a lot of people who don't get it, because in many cases the consequences aren't as easy to see.

You stop landlords from collecting rent, set that precedent, and over the next few years they're going to convert rental properties into condos until rents are high enough to account for the risk of it happening again. Then anyone who can't afford to buy is paying higher rent for a generation or more. But it doesn't happen instantaneously and it's hard to trace directly to the act, so people don't understand.

Set price controls on gas and there immediately won't be gas to buy. That's something everybody is promptly going to notice.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by imtringued on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:40AM (#29319072)
Some people will end up with more gas than they need, others with less. It's a bad idea.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by coryrc on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @03:21PM (#29322897)
GP is well aware of that fact.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by mrtesthah on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:01AM (#29318570)
I’m fine with whatever it takes to finally take down the fossil fuel economy. There’s no more room in the atmosphere for any more additional CO2.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by zthrowaway on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:25AM (#29318872)
If you want to live like it’s 1870 go for it.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by the-dude on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @08:30AM (#29317539)
We already have global conflict. Multiple.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by rblion on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @09:01AM (#29317865)
True. I can't help but wonder when/if WWIII will begin or if it already has...

It almost feels inevitable to be honest. Am I wrong?

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by seanw444 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:00AM (#29318554)
WWIII already began. Using carefully-cut video clips, intentionally misleading articles, and social media platforms increasingly encouraging unrest to pad their bottom line, decreasing their users' attention span, and spying into their users' devices, the factions only need to fight for public opinion in this day in age.

You can convince someone to surrender to you out of spite for their own country, long before you have to point a gun at them nowadays.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by systemvoltage on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:45AM (#29319135)
This gave me chills. Sometimes California feels more pro-China than pro-US. “But man, China is so impressive. They’re so good at governance.” - verbatim quote from a professor I met at UC Berkeley.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by _Understated_ on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:02AM (#29318574)
I've long felt that WWIII will not be fought (initially, anyway) with tanks and bombs and such, but with computers.

What could be more effective for your enemy than taking out all your power stations and plunging your country into total darkness and chaos? Everything would run out in short order and people would turn on each other.

Saves having to mess the place up with bombs and you have plausible deniability within the international community.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by sofixa on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @09:24AM (#29318148)
You aren't necessarily wrong, but IMHO maybe too pessimistic. I don't see a global conflict starting anytime soon due to MAD. Baring another Trump-like person with zero regard for international norms, relations and basically anything, most world leaders at the highest level aren't complete idiots and understand the risks involved.

There are and will still be many localised conflicts, even some which might impact lots of people ( e.g. if the US does end up attacking Iran, it will be a bloodbath with consequences through Europe, Asia and Africa at the very least). Ukraine-Russia, and everyone around ( Belarus, Baltics, Poland) will probably turn out to be an even nastier affair. Israel's apartheid will probably also result in another war.

But a global war is highly unlikely, at least until climate change and other ongoing environmental disasters wipe out too much resources and people ( e.g. poor communities relying on fishing for sustenance being decimated by dropping fish populations and/or deforestation draining major rivers and lakes).

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by roamerz on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:05AM (#29318614)
I would counter that a Trump like person would lead to less chance of war. Countries tend to toe the line better if there is a measuarble chance at retaliation. A Biden like person who's demonstrated incompetance (Afghanistan pullout) and placation (weak stance on China relations) would lead to contries rolling the dice on whether we would retaliate or not. We'll see what happens with China and Taiwan or Russia and Ukraine.

I would also counter that the response to alleged climate change could also spark conflicts which could lead to more encompassing war for example some greenie gets elected to power in Russia and decimates their ability to export energy (similar to current U.S. situation). That would leave many angry people in the cold in the E.U. and lead to unrest and potentially war. That's kind of out there but still within the realm.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by tomc1985 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:22AM (#29318819)
1) The afghanistan pullout is the country keeping a promise that Trump failed to keep that was made long before either Trump or Biden, and it would have been a quagmire to whoever had the guts to actually follow through on it

2) People keep repeating this weak-on-China meme but Biden seems a lot more hawkish on them than people seem to be giving him credit for

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by roamerz on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:41AM (#29319090)
I don’t disagree with keeping the promise at all. Where he completely demonstrated his competence was in the implementation. I am an IT guy and I would have done a much better job.

We’ll see on China. Proof is in action not talk.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by quesera on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @07:18PM (#29325440)
> I am an IT guy and I would have done a much better job.

I'm sure you're a very nice and competent person, but that's a quote for the ages.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by roamerz on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @08:07PM (#29325809)
Or - Dammit Jim I’m an IT guy not Military Strategist! Lol
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by peter422 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:51AM (#29319213)
You’d have done a better job? How so? You have expertise in strategic retreats after 20 years of war?
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by roamerz on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:16AM (#29319585)
My point being that the bar was so low on the implementation that anyone with a shred of intellect could have done a better job. But for the sake of discussion I would have for starters left the military on site until the civilian component was safely out of the country. Don’t need a diploma in strategic retreats to see that.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by miked85 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:13AM (#29319537)
I don't think it takes a military strategic expert to say get civilians out first, then the military and equipment. If you can't take the equipment, destroy it.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by throwaway946513 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @11:51AM (#29320085)
As far as I can remember - one thing that our military personnel are taught, especially in the field, is how to render equipment inoperable. Which in fact is one of the things we've done with left over equipment there. Source: family of veterans.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by miked85 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @12:34PM (#29320601)
The Taliban paraded driving US military vehicles through the streets, so I don't think we did that. I am sure it is normal procedure to disable equipment in this situation, but nothing about that exit was normal.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by tomc1985 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @01:03PM (#29320975)
Those vehicles were left behind by the Afghani armed forces and were no longer US assets.

Of course, our failure to predict the afghani military's collapse is a huge error but that just proves that even world's best and most well-funded intelligence agency is not foolproof.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by roamerz on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @01:40PM (#29321461)
You can’t tell me with a straight face though that there wasn’t a report on someone’s desk that predicted exactly that - the Afghani military collapse. It was likely buried because it didn’t support whatever narrative was required at the time. So.. well funded? Absolutely and with a cherry on the top. Best? Nope. Way too infused with agendas and politics. No offense to the great people who work there.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by tomc1985 on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @04:19PM (#29323688)
They knew it would collapse, just not so quickly.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by yyyk on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @02:56PM (#29322531)
>Of course, our failure to predict the afghani military's collapse...

It was obvious to people who had any inkling of Afghanistan.

First, the US created an Afghani army that was dependent on US weapons and logistics, but stopped helping to maintain it even before the withdrawal was done. What does one expect to happen to an airforce when one stops maintance?

Second, every intelligence estimate predicted the Taliban would eventually win post-withdrawal (since they still got a state to support them), and the Afghanis knew about those estimates. Why should a sane Afghani keep fighting, when they could switch sides and live? To make Biden look better?

Ultimately, there was a political decision to leave Afghanistan, and the intel was adjusted to the decision rather than the other way around.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by selimthegrim on Friday November 26, 2021 @02:27PM (#29353220)
>Second, every intelligence estimate predicted the Taliban would eventually win post-withdrawal (since they still got a state to support them)

Which state would that be?

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by yyyk on Saturday November 27, 2021 @07:58AM (#29359820)
Pakistan, duh. Pakistan-Taliban links were widely known for decades.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by yyyk on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @02:47PM (#29322413)
Every non ideological person would have done a better job. There wouldn't have been a hasty evacuation or the bombing in Kabul, if the army kept Bagram until the withdrawal was done, or if the US had accepted the Taliban's offer to retain Kabul until the withdrawal was done - and that's just the smallest of the tactical failures...
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by selimthegrim on Saturday November 27, 2021 @01:53PM (#29362420)
Those are both poison pills. The army didn't want to be responsible for the security of the entire Kabul area and Bagram to Kabul is not a next door situation.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by lenkite on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @09:22AM (#29318127)
US oil supply dropped precipitously thanks to Covid and the Biden administration's drilling bans on federal lands, offshore drilling restrictions, cancelling oil pipelines and other blockades.

Many folks went bankrupt and US turned from a net Oil exporter to an Oil importer. The Biden administration recently started to reverse their policies in the last few months as oil prices surged. (There was also a court case loss on the federal drilling auction ban)

OPEC merrily took advantage of the state of affairs since high oil prices are good for them. Unfortunately, it will take some time for domestic supply to climb again. To tide over the state of affairs, it makes sense to open the strategic reserve. The Trump administration added 77 million barrels to the strategic reserve when the US was having an oil glut anyways, so its not as if the US doesn't have a safe buffer.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by someguydave on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @09:38AM (#29318279)
In Colorado the incumbent Democrat legislature effectively banned most new oil drilling projects even after a plebiscite on that question failed to pass.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by joshuanapoli on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:02AM (#29318576)
The US supply dropped precipitously because the price was too low for fracing to be consistently profitable. Letting the price rise would help US-based producers invest in more production.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by clashmoore on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @09:52AM (#29318435)
When I look at the SPR weekly levels at https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=W... it doesn't show an increase of 77M barrels. During President Trump's term it fell from 695,118,000 (Jan 22 2016) barrels to 638,085,000 barrels (Jan 15th 2021)

In March of 2020 it went from 634,967,000 to a peak of 656,147,000 in July of 2020, to then fall back.

Unless I did my math incorrectly, where can we find the information about the 77M?

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by lenkite on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:07AM (#29318639)
The drop in Jan 2017 was due to Hurricane Harvey which disrupted foreign crude deliveries. https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/08/31/us-taps-strategic-oil...

You are right that it wasn't 77M barrels in 2020 - my bad. I didn't realise that Democrats had blocked funding for that proposed initiative of SPR increase. The Trump administration worked around this by reducing this to ~30 million barrels and awarding storage contracts. This appears to match your figures.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-25/trump-s-t...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-25/funding-t...

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Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by lenkite on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:18AM (#29318774)
If you want civil violence, looting and anarchy on a large scale, your approach is definitely the way to go. It will also likely result in civil war since folks will take up arms to change your preferred policies. The folks with arms and who know how to use them will also likely be the folks who win.

Not that it matters - any administration that lets the economy crash will not stay in power. They will be kicked out .

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by mrtesthah on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:24AM (#29318860)
Oh my, how scary! I guess we just have no choice but to let the earth burn then.

No, none of the things you mentioned would occur if inequality were addressed and the newly scaled-down economy were appropriately retargeted to meet peoples’ basic needs first and foremost.

It’s called degrowth.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by lenkite on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:28AM (#29318918)
I wish you the best of luck on your socialist utopia of de-growth.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by mrtesthah on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:36AM (#29319012)
It’s only a matter of time—-humanity has the choice to accept degrowth voluntarily now, at a time when it can be safely managed, or have it be forced by the circumstances of our natural world a few decades from now.

Or are you one of those who believe that economic laws will somehow override physical laws? Because physical limits exist, and we are hitting them.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by zsz on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @12:30PM (#29320550)
Seems to me that economic inequality would be the best facilitator of de-growth. If you could send the entire middle class into poverty ASAP, you could maximize de-growth overnight. Add a few draconian rules here and there, re-introduce good old rule of man principles, along with public executions to keep the upstarts in check, and you can have yourself a semi-permanent utopia of de-growth.

Take for example North Korea (among the most advanced places in the world right now, in terms of comprehensive de-growth policies): with their ~540 kWh electricity consumption and just .71t CO2 per capita emission (compared to USA: 11.8 MWh and 15.12t CO2), they are experts in the field of de-growth that all other modern societies should endeavor to emulate.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by mrtesthah on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @11:41AM (#29331881)
The goal is to decrease the size of the economy while simultaneously increasing the quality of life for the majority of people on the planet. Most people already work in useless jobs (e.g., marketing, administration, etc.), and a shutdown of most extractive industries would give people substantially more free time. We can thank capitalism and technology for today’s high productivity level, but we need a properly functioning welfare/UBI system to take actually advantage of it, and so the global distribution of wealth will will need to change to ensure peoples’ basic needs are met.

Addressing inequality is similarly important for halting the rise of political authoritarianism (as it grows in reaction to the former), which is an obstacle to all these changes.

Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by sershe on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @12:32PM (#29320567)
What are you basing this on? The most dire (serious, i.e. IPCC) forecasts I've seen so far are a few percent of global GDP lost due to climate change. Global GDP grows by 3-4% in normal years recently, so the "forced degrowth" would be an equivalent of just 2-4 years of stagnation.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by lenkite on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @10:43AM (#29319117)
This would be an interesting discussion, especially with space exploration and recycling tech fitted into the future picture, but not appropriate for the current topic.
Re:U.S. to release oil from reserves in coordination with ot... by colinmhayes on Tuesday November 23, 2021 @12:18PM (#29320393)
Oil prices are still too cheap. Using oil has huge externalities, it's time consumers paid them. Good luck to the idiots who try to shoot the government.