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Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by xpct on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:33AM (#49979140)
I don't know why, but I personally find Mistral's marketing strategy much more appealing than that of other companies.

For example, there's something about Anthropic's picked design and their little Claude avatars that's unsettling to me.

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by booty on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:11AM (#49979693)
Sans context, I really like the Anthropic and Claude's faux-academic, minimal-ish, intellectual-ish branding.

(Especially the way it looked ~12 months ago -- it's gotten more cluttered since then. Perhaps unavoidably, as the breadth of their offerings has grown)

But over time it's begun to feel like unsettling cognitive dissonance as their ambitions grow and the stuff to worry about has piled up.

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by fodkodrasz on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:02PM (#49980469)
> faux-academic, minimal-ish, intellectual-ish branding

By this you sourely don't mean the messages shown in Claude Code, where Pi would show "Working..."

Academic style: Cooking... Sautéeing... Julienning... and similar annoying faux-brogrammer moody status messages.

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by nine_k on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:26PM (#49980742)
It's straight from The Sims [1], which seems quite appropriate :)

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sims

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by Y_Y on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:47PM (#49981011)
You didn't have to look at "reticulating splines" all day long though. Anyway that stuff came from Sim City.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by isoprophlex on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:09AM (#49979661)
The logo isnt a stylized butthole. That sure helps endear me to them.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by smusamashah on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:56AM (#49980373)
If it looks like that you, you will be seeing it everywhere.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by troupo on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:58AM (#49980402)
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by financetechbro on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:15PM (#49980634)
You are assuming that OP is not a fan of buttholes
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by LarsDu88 on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:35PM (#49980851)
Why was I about to write this exact same comment, and why did you beat me to it?
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by monocularvision on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:40PM (#49980932)
I know the whole “AI logos look like buttholes” thing is a joke for most people, but I really speaks to the pornification of our society. I would never have thought “butthole” looking at any of their logos.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by trollbridge on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:50PM (#49981052)
It reminds me of looking at my cat’s hind end, which is not a good brand association. Has nothing to do with “pontification”.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by b473a on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:54PM (#49981095)
I didn't know this was a thing and I typed "AI logos look like buttholes" into Google and the AI overview response started "You are completely right."

Have Google's models achieved the ability to throw shade?

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by Y_Y on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:48PM (#49981024)
Good point, it could be any kind of sphincter.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by fidotron on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:36AM (#49979184)
The entire Anthropic branding is religious kitsch - deeply off putting, but apparently quite reflective of their reality.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by walrus01 on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:36AM (#49979182)
I think there's such a thing as throwing too many marketing and sales people and too much polishing and "refinement" at something. I see in new product announcements from Microsoft as well. It's like seeing someone try too hard to impress you.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by InsideOutSanta on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:37AM (#49980108)
They've polished all personality out of their companies.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by oytis on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:55AM (#49979453)
And their cookie banner. Never thought I would like a cookie banner
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by YeahThisIsMe on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:46AM (#49980234)
I do my best to avoid any AI marketing because I extremely despise it. I just haven't quite decided on my new profession, yet, but it's either going to be with plants or with animals.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by vessenes on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:01AM (#49978645)
Very nice progress. Also I respect putting Kimi on those charts. Regardless of if they are beating the Pareto frontier (not now), model diversity is a good thing for humanity — I’m hopeful for the team to keep increasing their gains.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by brendong on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:14PM (#49980633)
Is the reason for the massive gains in certain benchmarks due to distillation from the other lead models hence the slightly "under" pattern seen in the comparison charts?
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by danslo on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:15AM (#49978850)
Open weight, European, competes with GLM-5.3 on cybersecurity. What's not to like?
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by Culonavirus on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:39AM (#49980136)
It's French, duh. They'll probably surrender half of the company to the Germans after receiving a strongly (compound-)worded letter.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by BoxOfRain on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:24PM (#49980728)
I'm literally English and I feel the need to defend the French here, they're among the most successful military powers in the world historically speaking. It's hardly fair to judge a thousand years of French military history by the outcome of one war where they didn't do well.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by mjburgess on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:52PM (#49981072)
One imagines it may have been a joke
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by Culonavirus on Wednesday October 07, 2026 @02:02AM (#49988879)
Yea :/
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by alcuin on Wednesday October 07, 2026 @10:29AM (#49993384)
As far as your sense of humor goes, perhaps you can find a different niche than disrespecting the memory of the 100,000 French soldiers who died in the early weeks of WW2 precisely because none would surrender? That 90s revisionist trope to shame the French for not being neocon enough is beyond stale.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by chevman on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @09:59AM (#49978617)
This is awesome, one of the coolest Pokemon ever too for those that don't follow that universe :)

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Lechonk_(Pok%C3%A9mo...

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by maelito on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:21AM (#49979871)
Was wondering what Le Chonk meant (not French).
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by sofixa on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:59AM (#49980413)
It's a joke, chonky is used to refer to fat cats, and there was a joke meme over the summer that Mistral are going to release a new model, Le Chaton Fat (chaton is kitten in French). The name is a nod to the memes.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by NekkoDroid on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:52PM (#49981067)
> Le Chaton Fat

I've read it a few times and I always processed it as "Le Chateau Fat" ("The fat castle"), which I guess also kinda works. I guess it is mostly because my french is so rusty I forgot (or maybe never learned?) what chaton meant.

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by moffkalast on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @03:14PM (#49982732)
Le Chaton Fat is still too dangerous to release.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by Topfi on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @03:46PM (#49983118)
Only model Pontifex considers a possibly conscious being. Obsessed with jumping in boxes with Cesium and some poison though, even escaped the litter box during testing, probably an alignment issue…
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by conradfr on Wednesday October 07, 2026 @06:14AM (#49990672)
But it would be "Le Fat Chaton".
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by sbinnee on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @09:42PM (#49986888)
I wouldn’t mind this monster to be the mascot for mistral 4 large. It’s cute
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by DevKoala on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:10AM (#49979676)
One step closer to Le Chaton Fat.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by PoignardAzur on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:52AM (#49980320)
Can't wait until Mistral starts adopting fancy product line names.

Soon we'll have Mistral 6 Chaton, Mistral 6 Guépard, Mistral 6 Tigre, Mistral 6 Dents-de-sabre, Mistral 6 Beast King, etc.

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by scrollaway on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @02:08PM (#49981981)
Panther, Jaguar … Wait, wrong company.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by kergonath on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @07:04PM (#49985436)
I am waiting for Mountain Chaton to iron out the kinks.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by cedws on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:44PM (#49980984)
Le Chaton Fat development was cancelled internally after it broke loose into the treat box.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by duiker101 on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:53AM (#49980321)
The main thing I always get away from the comparison tables of these "big" models, is how well Deepseek v4.1 Flash performs. While still being the cheapest model by a long shot.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by Aperocky on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @01:06PM (#49981261)
Is GPT Luna 6 dethroning Deepseek V4.1 Flash? It's price seem to be undercutting flash at a relatively similar capability.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by oh_no on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @06:20PM (#49984952)
Yeah, very similar benchmarks at 1/4 the price. I've been pretty happy with Luna 6 though I still think the gap between small and frontier models is larger than many people want to admit.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by pimeys on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @07:15PM (#49985530)
It is not super good in long horizon tasks and worse than 5.6 in our evals. It really failed the agentic evals where DeepSeek, Kimi and Opus are the winners.

It is great on creating summaries and content.

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by Topfi on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @03:50PM (#49983161)
Beyond benchmarks, does it in day-to-day? Have always struggled to get competitive performance out of any Deepseek release going back to V3 vs Z.AI and Moonshot models. Maybe I really suck at whatever is needed to make DS models fly, but even tailoring my suite hasn’t gotten me far when I tried with V4 Pro. Happy for anyone who is able to leverage their models well, wish I’d be able to crack how to leverage them.

Will say their research is some of the best reads in the industry and I could not care less about their model release cadence as long as papers keep coming.

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by pimeys on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @07:13PM (#49985514)
Yes. V4.1 flash performs really well. I don't know what to say, maybe you don't believe, but my team has been using it mainly for almost a month now for programming. It is as bad and annoying as any of the US sota, but costs pennies. And if you look close enough you find providers that can push it 300-500 tokens per second...

Maybe it is due to us being all very experienced devs. And can steer the model. But my daily routine is just to have 8-9 Zellij tabs open, DeepSeek in omp in each, and grind research and code day and night. Really nice model...

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by Topfi on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @08:32PM (#49986254)
Hold up, 300-500tps at p50? At p99, even something like Opus 5.5 on fast reliably hits 330tps+, so that'd be expected but if truly p50, wow. And no regressions in tool call and structured output vs the official endpoint? Would love to test that with my evals, please share.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by pimeys on Wednesday October 07, 2026 @03:06AM (#49989347)
https://www.lithosai.com/

https://coralbricks.ai/

With structured tool calls you do want to be lenient on parsing, but that is a very small price to pay when the model is 100x cheaper.

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by bartstp on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:44AM (#49979292)
How could I resist switching to a model named after my cat!?
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by laserbeam on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:47AM (#49979340)
Stats be damned irrelevant. The naming is good with this one!
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by volkk on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:21AM (#49979865)
you and 10k other redditors
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by edg5000 on Wednesday October 07, 2026 @04:24AM (#49989850)
Large 4?
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by sublimefire on Wednesday October 07, 2026 @10:19AM (#49993230)
> … Mistral Large 4. Unofficially ML4, very officially: le Chonk.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by rglover on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:17AM (#49978883)
Excited to try this. The low costs v. benchmarks alone here are worth a serious test. K3 has been my daily driver for a month or two now and it's dramatically reduced token spend (while not having much of a negative impact on productivity).

This was the era of the AI race I was waiting for.

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by netvarun on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:53AM (#49979406)
Curious now that SOL is cheaper than k3 - is k3 still your primary workhorse?
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by rglover on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:01PM (#49980454)
Haven't tried it yet. It looks like sol is a hair more expensive on input, a hair less expensive on output ($2/in, $10/out per 1m, K3 = $0.82/in, $13/out per 1m).
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by amelius on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:24AM (#49979007)
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by juliennakache on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:25AM (#49979932)
Is that a reference to LeChuck in Monkey Island? Love that game!
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by square_usual on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:31AM (#49980011)
No, it's a play on the Twitter/Reddit memeing about "Le Chaton Fat", see: https://www.reddit.com/r/MistralAI/comments/1u6f0dm/what_is_...

You'd be surprised how much of the AI world is fueled by memes.

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by cyanydeez on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:50AM (#49980292)
litterally, that's what an LLM is doing?
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by jkingsman on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:29AM (#49979982)
I think it's actually a wink and a nod towards the social media meme of "Le Chaton Fat," a fictional model that is jokingly attributed to Mistral, usually with century-defining benchmarks and unfathomable size.

https://x.com/i/trending/2066326562623127678

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by aennassiri on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:24AM (#49979009)
Excited to see this! Nice that they are saying this is just a first step.

Give them more compute!

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by timcobb on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:58AM (#49979486)
> Trained from scratch

How are they training without pirating the Z library corpus and all that?

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by sigmar on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @11:31AM (#49980010)
I interpret "scratch" to mean brand new weights. Not that they aren't training on a corpus of human text
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by timcobb on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @12:05PM (#49980506)
Right but how did they get a corpus, how do they compete legally without distillation?
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by taspeotis on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @09:43AM (#49978369)
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by stronglikedan on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:04AM (#49978697)
Of course not. That's clearly a different URL.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by spwa4 on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @09:36AM (#49978270)
Don't believe Mistral. They're wrong. It's really called "Le chaton fat".

Also 1T-A49B. Weights currently closed but promise to open source them by the end of the month.

Great release movie.

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by alterom on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @09:56AM (#49978571)
>Don't believe Mistral. They're wrong. It's really called "Le chaton fat".

OpenAI's therapist: Le Chaton Fat isn't real and cannot hurt you

Le Chaton Fat:

Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by maz1b on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:24AM (#49979000)
I'm glad they're keeping at it!
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by tosh on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @09:36AM (#49978273)
sorting the charts like that gives off weird vibes
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by jasonjmcghee on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:05AM (#49978710)
Had the same thought - feels chart crime adjacent
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by lern_too_spel on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:32AM (#49979127)
Bar charts should start at zero. If they don't start at zero, there should be a clear visual indicator that the chart has been trimmed without having to read the axis labels. I hate that this has to be repeated so often that it has become a cliché.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by theturtletalks on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:00AM (#49978640)
A bit disappointing to see it still lagging behind Chinese open models. Those Chinese models are pushing proprietary models to raise the bar, but we need equally strong non-Chinese open models to challenge the Chinese ones in turn.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by plastic-enjoyer on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:19AM (#49978917)
We are so back
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by redanddead on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:15AM (#49978852)
better than K3 and DS4, cool
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by ChrisArchitect on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:13AM (#49978819)
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by tomhow on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @01:04PM (#49981228)
Comments moved thither. Thanks!
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by Razengan on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:37AM (#49979202)
Awh I was half expecting a zombie pirate..
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by clavicle1009 on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @09:38AM (#49978297)
YES finally
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by baggachipz on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @09:40AM (#49978318)
Now THAT'S how you name a model. Take note, others.
Re:Mistral Large 4: "Le Chonk" by sinan-faizal on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @10:37AM (#49979199)
i subbmitted a partnership proposal in your contact.