They have the revenues to support all of this.
They spent time learning from all the players and can now fast follow into every market. Now they're fast and nimble and are willing to clone other products wholesale, fork VSCode, etc.
They're developing all of this, meanwhile Pichai is calling it a "bubble" to put a chill on funding (read: competition). It's not like Google is slowing down.
We had a chance to break them up with regulation, and we didn't. Now they're going to kill every market participant.
This isn't healthy. We have an invasive species in the ecology eating up all the diverse, healthy species.
Chrome, Android, Search, Ads, YouTube, Cloud, Workspace, Other Bets, and AI/Deepmind need to be split into separate companies.
Call or email your legislators and ask for antitrust enforcement: https://pluralpolicy.com/find-your-legislator/
Google has never successfully done that? Maybe once?
Prior to the push into Cloud computing, Ad revenue was well over 90% of all Google gross income, and Cloud was the first big way they diversified. GCP is definitely a credible competitor these days, but it did not devour AWS. Other commercial Google services didn't even become credible competitors, e.g. Google Stadia was a technically exceptional platform that got nowhere with customers.
The question now is whether Google carves out an edge in AI that makes it profitable overall, directly or strategically. Like many companies, there seems to be a presumption of potentially infinite upside, which is what it would take to justify the astronomical costs.
It's not like Youtube where they legitimately bought their way to dominance. And I'd argue that even in the case of DoubleClick, google was already dominating the search advertising market when they bought DoubleClick to consolidate their dominance.
You love a Google product because of its features but never actually because of the product itself. But you can’t win everything by engineering and sometimes Google struggles with the product side.
AI is part engineering so we’ll see.
Google spreadsheet was another amazing product back in the day.
https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/f6ab5c36...
> Plaintiffs maintain that Google has monopoly power in the product market for general search services in the United States.
> According to Plaintiffs, Google has a dominant and durable share in that market (general search), and that share is protected by high barriers to entry.
> Google counters that there is no such thing as a product market for general search services.
> What exists instead, Google insists, is a broader market for query response.
(+ yes obviously, products like Sheets or Maps were amazing, and are still very much the best.
It was a joke to say that even Google denies its own success, the same way as the earlier comment).
They're struggling on cloud, AI, ISP, videoconferencing, and others...
Or perhaps it would be most correct to say Microsoft assassinated Nokia by sending in Stephen Elop as a double agent?
> most correct to say Microsoft assassinated Nokia by sending in Stephen Elop
(presumably because if they touch the ad system it might break)
> a16z and YC must hate this. It puts a cap on their returns.
And a16z's main business is investing in financial scams.
The intro checklist for Antigravity includes watching VS Code tutorials!
https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/HEAD/docs/v...
We've come full circle.
Has there been any indication that these folks are "rubbing Google the wrong way"? I think Chromium, as a project, is actually very happy that more people are using their engine.
Should have just been an extension with a paid plan.
Quick, someone throw the Linux kernel source at it and report back! xD
Nothing in there about chromium.
They knew exactly what they were saying.
Really? Madness? "We started with VS Code to develop our IDE...".
Oh, so onerous.
A thank you to the principle developers is a minimum if you're using someone else's work commercially and aren't an asshole.
No it's not a legal requirement, it's just about being a good part of society.
Stallman said that in 1997 there were 75 acknowledgements in a single piece of software. With today’s trend of micro libraries on npm, there will be at least thousands of acknowledgements in one piece of software.
VSCode runs on chromium, like any website you visit when using a Chromium browser.
VSCode -> Electron (essentially purpose specific web browser) -> Chromium
news.ycombinator.com -> General Purpose Web Browser -> Chromium
Which is exactly why VSCode has a near parity version that runs on the web, under any browser engine.
Saying VSCode is based on Chromium doesn't make any sense.
Google using Electron tells us that quality control is completely out of the window.
Unbelievable.
... Aren't we talking about a programming IDE here? When did mobile become anything like the primary market for that? Are people expected to sit around for hours inputting symbols with an OSK?
What are all this LLMs for when everything is just fork of electron app? Does not look like good marketing.
Also I'm used to vim and sensitive to lag, so I always hated vscode, but seems a lot of people don't notice or something. And when you're using AI for 90% of the loc, it matters less.
I wasted a day on trying to get some PNGs to render correctly, but no matter the config I used, the colors came out wrongly oversaturated.
I used Tauri with a WebView, and the app was rendering the images perfectly fine. On top of that the UI looked much better, and I was done in half the time I spend trying to fix the rendering issue in WinUI 3.
Never again will I go native.
Nothing bad with using code other people made open. Our whole industry is built on this.
forking vscode? simple. extensions not so simple. they are controlled by microsoft. without them you’ll run into continual papercuts as a vendor who has forked vscode.
I never understood why people scoff at VS Code forks. I'd honestly tend to be more skeptical of new editors that don't fork VS Code, because then they're probably missing a ton of useful capabilities and are incompatible with all the VSC extensions everyone's gotten used to.
We finally discovered IDEA and never looked back.
Which is on top of 'Chrome'.
Interesting sandwich: Google-Microsoft-Google.