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Re:I Don't Have Spotify by spondyl on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @12:22AM (#42113025)
Anecdotally speaking, Spotify has become a sort of cultural default for a bunch of people.

If you're in a DM or a group chat, you may not hear "You should listen to X by Y" but rather "Check this out: https://open.spotify.com/blah"

At my current workplace and a previous one, both had Slack channels for sharing music and they were 99% Spotify links.

Partly because of genuine Spotify usage but even not using Spotify at the time, I would find the Spotify equivalent for my own recommendations (to reduce friction for the majority so they'd be more likely to actually listen to the recommendation)

Presumably for those few users not using Spotify, rather than having to find the equivalent song via text search, which may or may not contain a result for Provider Z, this service straight up just converts the Spotify link you've been given into all of the other provider equivalents.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by Semaphor on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:08AM (#42113940)
I’m in a dedicated music discord, about 70% of links are Bandcamp, 20% Spotify, 10% Tidal. BC percentage could be higher, but good enough, most of the time it’s only for those weird bands that don’t sell on BC anyway ;)

That said, I do miss Songwhip. It was a website where you could search for a release, and then generate all links for it, including streaming services and bandcamp.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by tschumacher on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:42AM (#42114125)
I miss Songwhip as well. We used to have a bot in our music sharing Discord channel that looks for links to any streaming platform and convert them to Songwhip links via the Songwhip API. The good thing about Tidal is that, like Songwhip, it provides you with a list of links to various streaming platforms when you're not logged in.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by Semaphor on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:20AM (#42114301)
Wish it had been open sourced, it worked so well. Or even better, if Bandcamp offered an API, so sites likes SW wouldn’t need to (probably) scrape that information.

> The good thing about Tidal

Can’t confirm, it’s worse than spotify for me, as I get an unclosable modal that asks me to sign up or login.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by tschumacher on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @09:28AM (#42115723)
> Can’t confirm

Try this link https://tidal.com/browse/track/18835695/u, for me it shows a list of links to other services: https://imgur.com/a/MEsaIZw

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by Semaphor on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @10:16PM (#42122541)
Yeah, this one does, I guess you have to create a special link? Or is it only for tracks?
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by cjaackie on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:54AM (#42114471)
It was such a beautiful ui and ux , elegant really. It’s a shame yet I wonder how could it have been profitable. There’s really not a whole lot to monetize unless I’m missing something.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by tschumacher on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @09:36AM (#42115781)
Songwhip allowed artists to claim and customize their page for a fee. Back then I looked into why Songwhip closed but couldn't find a definitive answer. I found a Reddit post where the original creator shared their site many years ago, so it looks like Songwhip started as a personal project. When it closed down though that decision was made by Sony. So it seems like the original creator got bought out by Sony and then Sony decided to close the service. Just speculation though.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by nextlevelwizard on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @01:51AM (#42113377)
Do the spotify links not just open the song in some kind of web app if you dont have spotify installed?

I always thought giving a straight link to the thing was better for all. If they had Spotify it would open there and without ads if they had the subscription and if they had neither it would still open the web app and let them listen to it with ads and stuff.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by fragmede on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @03:30AM (#42113765)
That was true in the past but it's no longer true. I don't know when it changed.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by Semaphor on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:06AM (#42113922)
That’s absolutely still true. I just disabled Spotify app link handling, and then Spotify opens in Firefox on my phone. And on Desktop it works the same way.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by fragmede on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:12AM (#42113954)
When I open a Spotify link as a webpage, I can't play that song unless I have an account. At some point in the past you didn't have to.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by jorvi on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:50AM (#42114156)
You always had to, in the past it gave a 30s preview. It still does that in Discord.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by terinjokes on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @07:21AM (#42114955)
At least for me in the Netherlands, for the past month if I click a link to a specific song, I get redirected to a page to start a radio based on the artist and encouraged to upgrade to Premium.

I've had to get friends to share the titles manually, before I found Odesli to be able to convert them.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by jorvi on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @11:07AM (#42116692)
Right, but before it just loaded the page of the album/playlist and told you to sign in to your account. It has never allowed you to play songs without a sign in.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:59AM (#42113635)
Yeah, the generated preview (depending on what application the link is shared in) can play a 30 second sample, but if you want to listen to the whole song you need to have an account, and if you don't have a subscription you'll likely get an ad first.

It's why I often share a youtube link instead, it plays inline a lot of the time and when it plays inline it often doesn't have ads. But that may also be because I have an effective ad blocker (for now).

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by WhyNotHugo on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:42AM (#42114400)
> Do the spotify links not just open the song in some kind of web app if you dont have spotify installed?

The page won't even load if you don't have the DRM plug-in installed.

I don't think you can _listen_ to the song without an account anyway.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by wintermutestwin on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @12:47AM (#42113119)
Apple Music = few users??

From what I could tell when choosing AM over Spotify, the latter has a lot of playlists for discovery and I would never use my streaming service for discovery as it encourages the service to promote music it is paid to promote.

Of course AM is annoying too because 3 out of 5 navigation icons along the bottom of the UI are for discovery. But AM has Siri integration, which works some of the time… :-/

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by freetonik on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @01:33AM (#42113308)
Apple Music has been utterly awful on desktop for years, with virtually zero positive progress. I made this angry video [1] 4 years ago, and have tried using Apple Music multiple times since then, and it never failed to disappoint.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE8ZikfrpFU

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by shiroiushi on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:11AM (#42113447)
Does Apple care though? It seems that Apple's main focus these days is on mobile "lifestyle" devices and services: iPhone, Siri, and Apple Music fits right into that. How many Apple users actually care about listening to AM on their desktop (presumably a Mac)?

Of course, Apple still pushes its overpriced Macs, but the focus there seems to be on developers (for the more expensive stuff--big monitors, workstations, etc.) or people (probably corporate workers, developers, etc.) using MacBooks. In both cases, the focus seems to be on machines used for doing work. I'm just guessing, but I would guess that most MacOS users who want to listen to (Apple) music would do so on their personal device, i.e. their iPhone, rather than their MacOS device which is probably owned and managed by their employer.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by submeta on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:47AM (#42113578)
You are spot on. Apple does one thing very good: MacOS + Macs. But I don’t like Apple software. Too limited, too crippled, too unpredictable. And they don’t listen to users, you cannot reach out to someone and hope your feedback will change something.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by saagarjha on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:26AM (#42113492)
Oh my god you made this video? I have sent it to so many people to explain my feelings for it. Thank you so much for saying what I wanted to but so much better!
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by freetonik on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @03:24AM (#42113738)
You're welcome. I made that channel with the intention of making more videos about other apps and products, but so far could only muster Apple Music :)
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by xanderlewis on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @03:28AM (#42113760)
This is great.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by 71bw on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:32AM (#42114363)
The new "Apple Music (Preview)" app on Windows (exclusively 11 IIRC) absolutely destroys anything they had in the past. And anything they have on macOS right now. It is absolutely stellar, and yet another example of the weird "let's make out apps on opposing systems better than our native ones" trend.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by rumori on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:10AM (#42113446)
I used to use Apple Music but when my Credit Card expired I missed two months payment and Apple happily deleted all of my playlists and library. I don’t think they realise how bad this is, but I will never use it or subscribe ever again.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by dizhn on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @03:13AM (#42113692)
I just had an issue with Spotify where they couldn't take payment for some reason and I could no longer find any trace of my "family plan" members. Each user was presented with a link to get premium. I used the same card to get a family plan again, then each user has to be added again. This can't be something they have done without considering the user experience.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by senpos on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:48AM (#42113590)
I had to pause my subscription for a few months for personal reasons and my collection is gone too.

This is crazy. Not sure how they expect anyone to keep using their service with such attitude.

Perhaps it is a lock-in strategy: don’t leave or you lose months or even years of your music habits.

At the same time, both Spotify and YouTube Music keep all the data to this day.

One might argue that they free plans, so they have to keep it. And I would say “I don’t care”. If I can’t rely on your service to keep a list of songs - I am not using it.

Damn, they could utilize my iCloud account. Or allow me to export a text file with that data, so I could import it back later. But no. No money - you are screwed.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by 42lux on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:44AM (#42113560)
You missed two months of payment and you are angry that a company closed the account? Boy do I have to tell you a story about what you can lose by not paying your AWS bill for two months… I am curious how you handle customers that do not pay and continue to not pay instead of just ending their subscription.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by oarsinsync on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:49AM (#42113593)
I stopped paying for Spotify for 3 years, didn’t login for 2 of those years, came back and my playlists were all still there.

My annual Apple Music subscription lapsed for one day, and my entire library was gone the next day when I resubscribed for another year.

Apple are allowed to make whatever customer hostile choices they want. As a former Apple Music customer, I’m not making that mistake again.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by vbezhenar on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:53AM (#42113613)
AWS has to pay a relatively big money for keeping user data. It is understandable why they would want to delete it.

Playlists are basically zero cost to store. You would spend more $ on delete processing than keeping them around for eternity. So it's just not well thought use-case, implemented without attempt to view the whole picture.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by senpos on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:50AM (#42113600)
What do you lose if you don’t pay to AWS for two months?

My account is still there. I can still use it. I am pretty sure it has some historic data there as well. Probably my old lambdas are still laying around.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by piva00 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:48AM (#42113591)
In many places I worked we would keep a user's history on the app for a long while in case they decided to resubscribe. It doesn't cost much to have a 6-12 months leeway before complete deletion.

Erasing a music app data after just a couple of months is idiotic, even more for a company with such deep pockets like Apple.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by lcmatt on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:32AM (#42114068)
I don't understand why AM doesn't use iCloud to store playlists. You have the storage anyway and a good chunk of people pay for an additional increase too.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by freetanga on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @01:17AM (#42113247)
I find the user experience of Apple Music to be subpar, and keeps pushing young genres in which I have zero interest.

I use Cider on my desktop but mobile is still a challenge.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by theshrike79 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @01:48AM (#42113360)
On the other hand Spotify has literal porn on it along with Joe Rogan.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by shiroiushi on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:11AM (#42113450)
Then it's easy to see why Spotify is so popular in America these days...
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by kcrwfrd_ on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @12:53AM (#42113144)
Apple Music also integrates with your own music library, which is the killer feature for me.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by ano-ther on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:24AM (#42113484)
Beware of the full integration though. It deleted the files I had from my CDs and replaced it with the Apple Music version.

Some items now stay greyed out because they don’t have a license. And some versions got replaced (eg, to the remastered ones).

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by dustincoates on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @12:55AM (#42113156)
As does YouTube Music
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by cwillu on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:00AM (#42114202)
I've had songs I uploaded later disappear due to their changing agreements with music providers. A google take-out contained the missing files so I was able to recover them, but I'll never again rely on such an integration.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by dustincoates on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @09:00AM (#42115501)
Could it be hidden behind the "Uploads" section? I have a lot of songs that I've uploaded that aren't available on YouTube, but they don't show up unless you go out of your way to find them in their dedicated section.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by Kiro on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @01:38AM (#42113325)
Doesn't Spotify as well?
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by jeltz on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @03:06AM (#42113664)
It used to, but then they removed it. They might have re-added it since though.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by freetonik on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @01:57AM (#42113400)
Not really. Spotify's "add your music" feature has always been an afterthought, it's clunky and inconvenient. It doesn't really store your files in Cloud, like Apple Music does; it just allows you to access local files per device.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by nobody9999 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:18AM (#42113467)
>It doesn't really store your files in Cloud, like Apple Music does; it just allows you to access local files per device.

Perhaps things have changed, but 10 or so years ago I "uploaded" my music to Spotify and it didn't actually upload anything, nor did it play my local music.

Rather, spotify used whatever it had in its database with the same name/artist, which wasn't always the same recording or even the same song.

And then there were the ads. No thanks.

I have my own library of more than 22,000 tracks and use Winamp, Jellyfin and VLC to play them wherever I happen to be. No muss, no fuss, and most importantly, no ads.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @01:43AM (#42113345)
Spotify doesn't require you to create an account to hear a song from what I recall, so why wouldn't someone send you a link? That's what the web is for.

That said once you have heard it on Spotify, yeah you might want it on your service provider of choice so as to add it to whatever equivalent of playlists there are.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by gloosx on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:23AM (#42113483)
You can just try any link in incognito mode to find out that is not true. Spotify is a walled garden
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by SpotifyClosed on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:38AM (#42113545)
The previous comment was already absurdly america-centric. But with this response, the cake is taken. I have never been sent a spotify link, nor do people really over here, because you need an account.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by jeltz on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @02:58AM (#42113633)
Isn't your comment also America centric? Spotify is huge in more countries than the US.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by spondyl on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @04:41AM (#42114121)
If you meant me, I live in New Zealand funnily enough.
Re:I Don't Have Spotify by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @06:33AM (#42114702)
sorry, it's been so long since I didn't have an account so I went and checked and I guess I was wrong they do require you to create a free account to hear the link you've been sent.

You'd think my comment assuming you didn't need an account was already absurdly wrong but with your response the cake was taken, because I'm not from America either.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by adastra22 on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @05:38AM (#42114385)
Huh, ok. Thanks for explaining.

I just don’t listen to music, full stop. Never used Spotify in my life, or any other streaming music service. Was really confused about all of this.

Re:I Don't Have Spotify by antonvs on Tuesday November 12, 2024 @12:54PM (#42117865)
> for those few users not using Spotify

That's quite the extrapolation from your anecdotal experience. Technically, it would be more accurate to say, "for those few users using Spotify."

What you've noticed is that Spotify has the biggest market share, but that doesn't mean that the number of users not using it are "few". According to https://explodingtopics.com/blog/music-streaming-stats, Spotify has a 30% market share. That implies that up to 70% of streaming music users aren't regular Spotify users.