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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by grecy on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:46AM (#42058175)
Love him or hate him, it will be fascinating to see if the democratic institutions of the United States can endure this. He has made it very clear he wants to dismantle as much as he can, including term limits.

Time will tell if the US really is the greatest democracy and can withstand a wannabe dictator, or if he really can subvert it all. It’s going to be a wild four years, and I fear more wall building.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by defrost on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:56AM (#42058247)
It's had a good run to date, perhaps even longer than expected.

    and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administred for a Course of Years, and can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it, when the People shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other.
~ Benjamin Franklin, Closing Speech at the Constitutional Convention (1787)
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bagels on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:51AM (#42058202)
The pieces are all in place. Supreme Court granted immunity, control of Senate and a willingness to recklessly wield power.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by ghssds on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:01AM (#42058297)
USA's clear separation of powers is a liability in this case. In parliamentary system, where executive and legislative branches are not that well separated, if the executive branch misbehave, a simple vote from the parliament can disband the government. In USA, the impeachment process is lengthy and hard to apply.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by m11a on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:44AM (#42058777)
In a typical British parliamentary system, the executive also has majority in Parliament. If the executive doesn’t have parliament, they lose the executive.

‘Impeachment’ in Parliament systems only works when MPs are willing to think for themselves.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by ghssds on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:55AM (#42058942)
> If the executive doesn’t have parliament, they lose the executive.

Not automatically. A minority government of course more at risk of losing the confidence of parliament but it's also a powerful incentive for such a government that want to survive to use cooperation and compromise with the opposition.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mbg721 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:57AM (#42058964)
In a British system, isn't the head of state hereditary, and in theory has no majority or minority because they have a divine right to be there?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by amadeuspagel on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:25PM (#42069668)
Which they are apparently are, given how many chancellors the UK went through. Thinking for yourself is a lot easier if the guy you're thinking about is removed from power when you've finished your thoughts.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by TomK32 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:55AM (#42058234)
Worst-case we finally find out what Gödel's loophole is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_Loophole
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Blammar on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:14AM (#42059271)
Jesus fucking christ don't give them ideas.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by rkagerer on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:40AM (#42059643)
So this guy supposedly found a loophole in the Constitution that would facilitate a legal transformation of the US into a dictatorship, and talked to Einstein about it, but the specific loophole/concern has never actually been published?

Sounds like clickbait was already alive and well in the 1940's.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by cardboard9926 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:55AM (#42059863)
“This guy” revolutionized mathematics and logic by proving Incompleteness Theorems
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by timomaxgalvin on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:50AM (#42061466)
He was also completely mental.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by TomK32 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @09:56AM (#42063253)
Depression as Gödel did suffer from and developed massive anxiety after the murder of Moritz Schlick, deserves a little more respect and above all help. Calling him "completely mental" doesn't help at all.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by joegibbs on Friday November 08, 2024 @06:03AM (#42085906)
I’m sure there are a thousand ways that the US could become a dictatorship by technically legal means. I’m not sure why Gödel was so concerned about this one method. After all, all governments are made of people and accountable to people - if the people are fine enough with a dictatorship then it could come into existence regardless of legality, and if they hate the idea then they won’t let it happen even if the method is technically legal.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by scbrg on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:53AM (#42058217)
For someone who doesn't follow US politics that closely (yes, we exist), in what way has he made it clear that he wants to dismantle democratic institutions? Any concrete examples?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bagels on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:57AM (#42058259)
He tried to lead an insurrection four years ago. Has stated that if elected, you won't have to vote again. Has called for removal of broadcast licenses for the press. Has said he'd be pleased if the press were murdered.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by innocentoldguy on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:19AM (#42058479)
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bagels on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:39AM (#42058706)
That is a narrow finding.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by manquer on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:31AM (#42058616)
> Trump-hating FBI disagrees

I think citation needed here that FBI or any law enforcement agency for that matter is anti-trump.

If anything given their deep racial history not that long ago, I would characterize them as very pro trump.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by innocentoldguy on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:58AM (#42058983)
Schmidt, M. S. (2018, June 14). Top Agent Said F.B.I. Would Stop Trump From Becoming President. The New York Times.

Also, whistleblowers within the FBI have come forward in recent years to:

• Accuse Timothy Thibault of running cover on Hunter Biden's laptop.

• Accuse the FBI of manipulating case files to inflate the domestic threat perception towards conservatives.

• Accuse leaders within the FBI of "weaponizing" the agency against conservatives.

• Complain about retaliation when raising concerns about these and other instances of bias and misconduct.

Isn't this common knowledge?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by drusepth on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:39AM (#42058714)
What makes you think the FBI hates Trump?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by cpursley on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:23AM (#42058534)
This is exactly what Elon was talking about how so many people still believe the multitude of hoaxes which have been thoroughly and objectively disproved. It’s as if people were OK with just going with the original drive-by media headline and never looking into the details or following up.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bagels on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:33AM (#42058636)
None of these are hoaxes. Did you look in to the fake elector plot, which people have pled guilty to?

I think a lot of people give Trump benefit of doubt when he says these things, but he literally said them.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Paradigma11 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:03AM (#42060803)
So explain to me how it would have played out if Pence would have gone along with the fake elector plot?

Aside from Trump not many people deny Biden won 2020. How would Biden have become president?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by huhkerrf on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @09:25AM (#42062730)
I hate when people make me defend Trump.

The "you won't have to vote again" was clearly him saying that he didn't care if the people vote again, because it won't benefit him.

He didn't say that he'd be pleased if the press was murdered, in those words. Though I agree that what he said was awful.

This is the thing about Trump. He says things that are dumb or incendiary, then his opponents make it sound 100x. Then people who aren't terminally online see it and think, "is that all there is?" and it makes them think that he's not that bad, ignoring the actual bad things he's saying.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bagels on Thursday November 07, 2024 @01:23AM (#42073976)
These are actual bad things to say, but yes, there are worse that he's said.

I agree that he says incendiary things, but he is also a poor communicator and so he says provocative things that are left ambiguous.

"I love you Christians. I'm a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote,".

What does he mean by "have it fixed"? Have the elections fixed? It's hard to imagine what else he can fix so that people won't have to vote anymore.

“I have this piece of glass here,” Trump said. “But all we have really over here is the fake news, right? And to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news. And I don’t mind that so much,” Trump said. “I don’t mind. I don’t mind.”

Yes, he didn't literally say "pleased" he said "I don't mind". Barely a difference when discussing the finer points of whether someone should murder the press.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by richard___ on Tuesday November 19, 2024 @11:33AM (#42185305)
It’s hard to imagine? He obviously means fix the government. You are seriously sounding deranged
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by kernal on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:22PM (#42065676)
>He tried to lead an insurrection four years ago. Has stated that if elected, you won't have to vote again. Has called for removal of broadcast licenses for the press. Has said he'd be pleased if the press were murdered.

The rhetoric and lies you've repeatedly said about Trump is exactly the reason your party was so soundly rejected in the landslide electoral college, the popular vote, the senate, and the house. Your lies and hoaxes don't work anymore.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bagels on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:19PM (#42070394)
It's not my party, I just think Trump is uniquely unqualified for office.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bagels on Thursday November 07, 2024 @01:11AM (#42073904)
I don't think I've lied about anything.

“The central cause of January 6th was one man, former President Donald Trump, who many others followed,” reads the report. “None of the events of January 6th would have happened without him.” ... lying about having evidence of voter fraud to the public, repeatedly, then inviting supporters to the ellipse with "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!", telling the crowd that they need to "fight like hell" otherwise they were "not going to have a country anymore" (yes, the refrain of his apologists is that he also the word peacefully, but that was an outlier in the hours of speeches given that day), and inviting the crowd to march to the capitol with him (though he stayed at the White House), followed by a complete dereliction of duty to intervene, and more tellingly, instead calling senators. There's a lot more.

"I love you Christians. I'm a Christian. I love you, get out, you gotta get out and vote. In four years, you don't have to vote again, we'll have it fixed so good you're not going to have to vote,". Like many things he says, he is really unclear on exactly what he means, but he did literally say "you don't have to vote again".

“I have this piece of glass here,” Trump said. “But all we have really over here is the fake news, right? And to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news. And I don’t mind that so much,” Trump said. “I don’t mind. I don’t mind.”

"60 Minutes should be immediately taken off the air [for] election interference. CBS should lose its license. This is the biggest scandal in broadcast history,”

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by EdwardDiego on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:55AM (#42058233)
Can the President commit crimes with impunity is pretty anti-democratic.

Unless you think Robert Mugabe was democratic?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mbg721 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:58AM (#42058268)
Can you articulate the crimes exactly? It looked to me like one party tried to use the justice system against a political opponent. And that party was not Trump's.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bagels on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:13AM (#42058417)
Those are only the crimes that have been committed and charged so far. Asking for and being granted immunity, retroactively, is pretty undemocratic. There are more crimes in their way.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by sumo89 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:10AM (#42058379)
Are you forgetting the whole removing classified documents and storing them in your club house thing?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mbg721 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:17AM (#42058460)
You mean his sports car?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by junon on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:10AM (#42058386)
You mean the valid prosecution of crimes Trump committed, for which he was tried and convicted?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by Tainnor on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:02AM (#42058299)
In 2020, he told his then vice president Mike Pence not to certify the electoral vote count which gave Joe Biden the victory in the presidential race. Pence ignored this order. Had he not done so, it would have meant a constitutional crisis at the very least.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bdcp on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:08AM (#42058372)
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by thefounder on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:58AM (#42058266)
He could try to do something like Putin and extend the limit of 2 terms (just to keep America Great a bit more)and later declare himself dictator for life like Xi Jinping. You could look at Hitler as example how to become absolute dictator. “ news is that at the end of 6 years, after America has been made GREAT again and I leave the beautiful White House (do you think the people would demand that I stay longer? KEEP AMERICA GREAT), both of these horrible papers will quickly go out of business & be forever gone!

“

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1140252528304631808

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by TrackerFF on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:26AM (#42058558)
On the positive side, Americans are nowhere near as politically apathetic as Russians are, nor have they grown up under a single-party rule their whole loves, as the Chinese have.

Not saying that this won't stop MAGA from trying - but at least there's a cultural element to this, that will stop the American people from just folding over and accepting dictatorship.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by 50208 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:39AM (#42058709)
And they'll do ... what? Keep watching football, scroll their phones? Pick up a burrito at Chipotle? The new Russian model of disaffection can (and is) working just fine in the US.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by nmeagent on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:54AM (#42059860)
They'll write several angry comments to social media, then retire to the couch after a job well done.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by machiaweliczny on Thursday November 07, 2024 @05:04AM (#42075289)
There’s a reason that US has gun rights in constitution and it’s dems that want to take it away.

It’s interesting tradeoff that should in theory protect from tyranny.

It’s interesting what would happen in Russia if majority of population had guns.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bloomingkales on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:58AM (#42058261)
None really. He’s pissed about his court cases and wants to investigate or appoint new judges. People that believe in the dictator narrative don’t appreciate the limits of the Executive branch.

Every executive order can get erased wholesale by the next President, and Trump only has 4 years.

We’ll live.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bagels on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:01AM (#42058288)
That's best case scenario. He's a criminal with newly granted immunity. It's going to be worse than last time.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bloomingkales on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:11AM (#42058400)
I don’t know, I guess? If you want to, you can hold just about any president under some criminal wrong doing. For whatever reason (certainly not political) we really needed to go after his overvaluing of real estate, and asking for recounts in a close election (why would he ever think a recount is worth it, it’s not like he could win the popular vote and all swing states). In retrospect, one could actually now make the argument that his hunch was right in questioning such a narrow election with an unprecedented voting pattern (Covid era mail in, it was quite new). I do sit here in awe and find myself saying “hmm, maybe he did have 25,000 votes somewhere this whole time, sure as hell found them tonight”. Makes you wonder.

He’s gonna do his tit for tat because he’s a simple man, not a great one, and certainly not an epic dictator.

I’m not defending him, I just think the grand dictator spin has always been nutty.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by selimthegrim on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:59AM (#42058275)
Kindly review the new definition of “official acts”
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:23AM (#42058530)
What he has actually been mroe explicit about wanting to dismantle (and what his faction has made considerable progress dismantling in his favor already) is not as much “democratic institutions” as “the rule of law”, though his most dramatic failed attempt to dismantle that was also directed at democratic institutions (the set of schemes including the false electors gambit, attempte to get the VP to reject proper electoral votes, and instigating the mob attack on the capitol when it was clear the VP would not do so.)
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by 50208 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:37AM (#42058681)
SCBRG ... you should seriously be ashamed of yourself.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by LunaSea on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:51AM (#42061473)
Being a traitor working for Russia might be one of them
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mbg721 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:00AM (#42058287)
The things he says he wants to dismantle are bloated executive-branch bureaucracies. If he actually manages to do it (which he didn't during his first term), it would be traumatic for a lot of federal employees, but not exactly the death of democracy.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by defrost on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:06AM (#42058347)
He's also clearly stated he wants to remove the licences from media companies that have been critical of him.

There's a check list of similar statements he's on record making.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mbg721 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:10AM (#42058387)
If he removed licenses from media companies that were critical of him, there would be approximately 0 media companies, and yet he's on track to win. One of the biggest takeaways from this election is that the populace largely doesn't trust the media.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by defrost on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:17AM (#42058458)
Do you support the dismantling of a free press?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by johngladtj on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:05AM (#42059097)
If you need a license to operate you're not free.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by kam on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @12:17PM (#42065610)
The license is for the use of the broadcast spectrum (a scarce, shared resource), not practicing journalism.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mbg721 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:29AM (#42058596)
Of course not. He was president for four years and yet the press remains what it is. Why do you think he would destroy the free press?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bagels on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:29AM (#42061177)
Because he said he would. Hopefully that was a lie too, but I guess we get to find out.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by LunaSea on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:52AM (#42061496)
He also promised a wall that never materialized so ...
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by 50208 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:41AM (#42058738)
Hey man ... just asking questions, right?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by lazyeye on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:43AM (#42058767)
Nobody cares about the free press, their content is, for the most part, garbage. I think this election has signalled the death of the mainstream media, and the rise of independent media. I find this absolutely wonderful.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by sixothree on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:39AM (#42058713)
They definitely trust the media. Otherwise he would have been elected.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by xnx on Thursday November 07, 2024 @10:31AM (#42077494)
> One of the biggest takeaways from this election is that the populace largely doesn't trust the media.

"Among all U.S. adults, 43% say they trust Fox News for political and election news"

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/04/08/five-fact...

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by briandear on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:55AM (#42058945)
False. Did you see what CBS did to the Harris interview? That behavior is explicitly what he was talking about. CBS edited an interview under the guise of their news department to switch answers to questions with other answers. It wasn’t that CBS was critical of Trump, it’s that they engaged in outright fraud using publicly licensed airwaves. That’s against FCC rules. What CBS did wasn’t disinformation — it was fraud.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by j-krieger on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:16AM (#42059306)
Perhaps a sanity check at those media companies would help. They've been broadcasting propaganda non-stop and you've witnessed a colony collapse just today.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by anabab on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:15AM (#42058430)
Like that pandemic responce unit dismantled in 2018?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by innocentoldguy on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:25AM (#42058549)
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by squeaky-clean on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:59AM (#42061588)
Your link entirely agrees with the statement that Trump disbanded the pandemic response team. What it calls false is that the members were fired from government completely instead of shuffled around into other non pandemic related departments.

So yes, that one. Did you actually read your link? Or did you get duped by the headline?

> Based on our research, the claim that President Trump fired the "entire" pandemic response team is PARTLY FALSE. The Directorate of Global Health Security and Biodefense was disbanded under Trump's then-national security adviser John Bolton. But Trump didn't fire its members. Some resigned, and others moved to different units on the National Security Council.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by innocentoldguy on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @02:38PM (#42068053)
Did you read it? It clearly says the team was far too big, and that even members of Obama's team felt it was too large, so Trump shrunk and reorganized it.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by watwut on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:08AM (#42058365)
He wants to destroy democracy itself. It is literal explicit goal.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mbg721 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:13AM (#42058411)
What? I would love to hear how that's true (although voting is over), but I suspect it's not.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by watwut on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:16AM (#42058445)
He literally said that. He said that if he wins, these are the last elections. He said that he wants to remove license to media that are critical of him. Trump said quite a lot. All it takes is to listen to what he is saying.

And the other thing to listen to what his primary voters - conservative evangelical Christians were saying they want for years. It is literally ridiculous how these people are saying exactly what they want, then they literally do what they said they will do, again and again. But somehow, I am supposed to assume they don't mean it, this time for a change.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mlnj on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:25AM (#42058556)
@mbg721, you seem to be willfully ignorant of anything this man has said and the dangers everyone is talking about. You seem to be completely missing any ideas on his policy and the changes he wants to being to the government and the democratic process.

Please stop commenting "Where?", "What?", "How?" to everyone in the comments here. They do not add any value to the conversation.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mbg721 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:33AM (#42058633)
I don't see any clear articulation of the dangers, other than that he's a convicted criminal, which I argue is for purely political reasons. Republican candidates have been labeled "HITLER 2" since Goldwater. I'm not cheerleading, but rather am trying to make policy arguments that add as much value as possible.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by 50208 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:43AM (#42058761)
Oh no, not cheerleading ... just wanting to talk "policy", for purely political reasons. No doubt.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mbg721 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:06AM (#42059115)
Can you explain why his conviction is relevant? As it stands, the facts are that it was for hush-money paid to Stormy Daniels, but it's clearly viewed as political by voters. I would agree that it was a grave matter if his felony were an unrelated murder or something, but that's not the situation, and again, voters are not stupid.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mlnj on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:01AM (#42059952)
I believe you'd make the same excuses in his defense even if the conviction was for 'murder or something'.

Everything from quoting Mein Kampf to praising Hitler's generals to using Nazi rhetoric has been done in the last few months.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-im... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/27/trump-madiso...

But I've come to believe that folks like you will continue to make excuses no matter how low he stoops.

"and again, voters are not stupid." Isn't it?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by 50208 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:42AM (#42058747)
Just asking questions ... questions questions questions.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by gushogg-blake on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:56AM (#42058949)
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490

According to Snopes[0] he claims he was urging Christians specifically (who don't usually vote in high numbers) to vote "just this time", then they wouldn't have to vote anymore for four more years, or something (which they wouldn't anyway...)

He was definitely addressing Christians (he repeats it several times) but at the end of the video he says "[...] we'll have it fixed so good you're not gonna have to vote", which does sound a bit suspect to me, even in context and taking into account the fact that he's often loose with his choice of words and phrasing.

[0]: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vote-four-years/

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by nwienert on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:13AM (#42059255)
Classic example of how the media and the uninformed combine to take him out of context / in bad faith.

The absolutely true fact is that that statement had nothing, even so much as a hint of a dog whistle, to do with that you’re saying. Like not even a shred.

He was speaking to a populace that doesn’t typically vote. So he’s saying that they can just vote this one election, because it’s important for them to for their own good. Then, he’s saying “just this once” because, again, they typically don’t vote. And again - after that he says “I’ll fix it so good you won’t have to again” - this is in reference to him fixing the government so well that they won’t need to vote again since it will be so well-functioning.

By the way, this was my take originally, on first listen. It was reinforced further my listening to it again. It’s completely clearly the true take, and I think if you have trouble accepting that it’s because you’re disturbingly mislead by bias, probably not your own fault entirely, but undeniably so.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by gushogg-blake on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:41AM (#42061336)
I agree that he probably wasn't talking about getting rid of voting altogether, but I'm still not sure on the logic of him getting the government into such good shape that Christians wouldn't need to vote anymore -- surely it would still be possible for the populace to vote in a terrible government that would undo all his improvements after his 4 years? But yeah, I suppose he could simply be saying that with his improvements, things would be stabilised and the stakes wouldn't be so high for the next election.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by watwut on Thursday November 07, 2024 @10:50AM (#42077692)
> I suppose he could simply be saying that with his improvements, things would be stabilised and the stakes wouldn't be so high for the next election.

By stabilized we mean it is not possible to ensure rights for women through election process? Because that is what "good government" per Chrisitians is. How is that not autocracy? Christians do not want improvements as in "better democracy". They want improvements as in "closer to theocracy".

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by watwut on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:39AM (#42061316)
How does him addressing it to Christians makes anything better? Like, yes, hardcore Christians are his fans, because they want to get rid of abortions, liberals and generally resent anyone but themselves.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by gushogg-blake on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:46AM (#42061406)
The fact that Christians generally don't like to vote (which I wasn't aware of until just now) is relevant to the question of why he said "we'll fix it so good, you won't have to vote".
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by squeaky-clean on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:03AM (#42061639)
Because it's not true that Christians don't like to vote. You're just believing the back spin after he said it and was called out for it.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by watwut on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:11AM (#42063507)
Christians do vote and see voting as a way to push for the legal restrictions they want. Them not having to vote anymore, because the rest of us cant get abortion, anticonception whatever else allowed through political process anymore is literally definition of "going away with democracy".

Which is actual political goal of radical evangelical christians, if you actually read what they write and listen what they say. It is not about them being allowed to be lazy, it is about them successfully creating religious state.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by dingdingdang on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:08AM (#42058363)
"and I fear more wall building." - more wall building was instigated under Biden, this is practical reality rearing it's head not the political left/right.

*https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67015137

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by lawn on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:57AM (#42058252)
> Time will tell if the US really is the greatest democracy

The US voting scheme is far from being the most democratic.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by aucisson_masque on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:06AM (#42058346)
I think when they say USA is the greatest democracy they re speaking of its size, land size.

It's always been a kind of mix between an oligarchy and democracy, just look at the 2 party voting system, extreme wealth required to candidate and the lobbies expenditures.

That's very close to the antiquity democracy, they just need to remove woman right to vote (next one after abortion).

At least with trump we will have a good laugh once again.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by postingawayonhn on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:27AM (#42058579)
> I think when they say USA is the greatest democracy they re speaking of its size, land size.

I would say it's the greatest based on how long it has endured for and the impact it has had on the world.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by vote4felon on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:11AM (#42058395)
We’ve had four years of this man as President. This seems like FUD?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by gadders on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:47AM (#42058184)
You think congressional term limits would be a bad thing?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by bagels on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:53AM (#42058222)
Op is saying that presidential term limits will be removed/ignored, following Russia's example.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by kzrdude on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:56AM (#42058243)
The same thing was done in China a few years back
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by readthenotes1 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @03:55AM (#42058236)
Histrionic, but understandable given how many people have stridently compared Trump to Hitler.

He's not that powerful

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by miningape on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:13AM (#42058420)
Literally, what are these people on about? He'll be out in 4 years chill
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by LunaSea on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:55AM (#42061536)
The entire Republican party lost their footing against him and were replaced.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by sixothree on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:47AM (#42058823)
He’s 78. Trump isn’t the real threat too democracy. It might be what he sets in motion that is.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by gadders on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:55AM (#42060678)
JD Vance?
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by gadders on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:52AM (#42060643)
OP is inventing things. Got it.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by xenospn on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:22AM (#42058513)
America as we know it had a good run. But nothing lasts forever.