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Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by watwut on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:08AM (#42058365)
He wants to destroy democracy itself. It is literal explicit goal.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mbg721 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:13AM (#42058411)
What? I would love to hear how that's true (although voting is over), but I suspect it's not.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by watwut on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:16AM (#42058445)
He literally said that. He said that if he wins, these are the last elections. He said that he wants to remove license to media that are critical of him. Trump said quite a lot. All it takes is to listen to what he is saying.

And the other thing to listen to what his primary voters - conservative evangelical Christians were saying they want for years. It is literally ridiculous how these people are saying exactly what they want, then they literally do what they said they will do, again and again. But somehow, I am supposed to assume they don't mean it, this time for a change.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mlnj on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:25AM (#42058556)
@mbg721, you seem to be willfully ignorant of anything this man has said and the dangers everyone is talking about. You seem to be completely missing any ideas on his policy and the changes he wants to being to the government and the democratic process.

Please stop commenting "Where?", "What?", "How?" to everyone in the comments here. They do not add any value to the conversation.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mbg721 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:33AM (#42058633)
I don't see any clear articulation of the dangers, other than that he's a convicted criminal, which I argue is for purely political reasons. Republican candidates have been labeled "HITLER 2" since Goldwater. I'm not cheerleading, but rather am trying to make policy arguments that add as much value as possible.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by 50208 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:43AM (#42058761)
Oh no, not cheerleading ... just wanting to talk "policy", for purely political reasons. No doubt.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mbg721 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:06AM (#42059115)
Can you explain why his conviction is relevant? As it stands, the facts are that it was for hush-money paid to Stormy Daniels, but it's clearly viewed as political by voters. I would agree that it was a grave matter if his felony were an unrelated murder or something, but that's not the situation, and again, voters are not stupid.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by mlnj on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @06:01AM (#42059952)
I believe you'd make the same excuses in his defense even if the conviction was for 'murder or something'.

Everything from quoting Mein Kampf to praising Hitler's generals to using Nazi rhetoric has been done in the last few months.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-im... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/27/trump-madiso...

But I've come to believe that folks like you will continue to make excuses no matter how low he stoops.

"and again, voters are not stupid." Isn't it?

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by 50208 on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:42AM (#42058747)
Just asking questions ... questions questions questions.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by gushogg-blake on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @04:56AM (#42058949)
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1817007890496102490

According to Snopes[0] he claims he was urging Christians specifically (who don't usually vote in high numbers) to vote "just this time", then they wouldn't have to vote anymore for four more years, or something (which they wouldn't anyway...)

He was definitely addressing Christians (he repeats it several times) but at the end of the video he says "[...] we'll have it fixed so good you're not gonna have to vote", which does sound a bit suspect to me, even in context and taking into account the fact that he's often loose with his choice of words and phrasing.

[0]: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vote-four-years/

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by nwienert on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @05:13AM (#42059255)
Classic example of how the media and the uninformed combine to take him out of context / in bad faith.

The absolutely true fact is that that statement had nothing, even so much as a hint of a dog whistle, to do with that you’re saying. Like not even a shred.

He was speaking to a populace that doesn’t typically vote. So he’s saying that they can just vote this one election, because it’s important for them to for their own good. Then, he’s saying “just this once” because, again, they typically don’t vote. And again - after that he says “I’ll fix it so good you won’t have to again” - this is in reference to him fixing the government so well that they won’t need to vote again since it will be so well-functioning.

By the way, this was my take originally, on first listen. It was reinforced further my listening to it again. It’s completely clearly the true take, and I think if you have trouble accepting that it’s because you’re disturbingly mislead by bias, probably not your own fault entirely, but undeniably so.

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by gushogg-blake on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:41AM (#42061336)
I agree that he probably wasn't talking about getting rid of voting altogether, but I'm still not sure on the logic of him getting the government into such good shape that Christians wouldn't need to vote anymore -- surely it would still be possible for the populace to vote in a terrible government that would undo all his improvements after his 4 years? But yeah, I suppose he could simply be saying that with his improvements, things would be stabilised and the stakes wouldn't be so high for the next election.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by watwut on Thursday November 07, 2024 @10:50AM (#42077692)
> I suppose he could simply be saying that with his improvements, things would be stabilised and the stakes wouldn't be so high for the next election.

By stabilized we mean it is not possible to ensure rights for women through election process? Because that is what "good government" per Chrisitians is. How is that not autocracy? Christians do not want improvements as in "better democracy". They want improvements as in "closer to theocracy".

Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by watwut on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:39AM (#42061316)
How does him addressing it to Christians makes anything better? Like, yes, hardcore Christians are his fans, because they want to get rid of abortions, liberals and generally resent anyone but themselves.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by gushogg-blake on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @07:46AM (#42061406)
The fact that Christians generally don't like to vote (which I wasn't aware of until just now) is relevant to the question of why he said "we'll fix it so good, you won't have to vote".
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by squeaky-clean on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @08:03AM (#42061639)
Because it's not true that Christians don't like to vote. You're just believing the back spin after he said it and was called out for it.
Re:Former President Trump is projected to win the presidency by watwut on Wednesday November 06, 2024 @10:11AM (#42063507)
Christians do vote and see voting as a way to push for the legal restrictions they want. Them not having to vote anymore, because the rest of us cant get abortion, anticonception whatever else allowed through political process anymore is literally definition of "going away with democracy".

Which is actual political goal of radical evangelical christians, if you actually read what they write and listen what they say. It is not about them being allowed to be lazy, it is about them successfully creating religious state.