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Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by geoduck14 on Thursday May 04, 2023 @11:59PM (#35825058)
Tldr:

Rewrite all words so the letters in each word are rearranged alphabetically. Don't do this other thing suggested on StackExchange

Look at the list of anagrams

Recognize that the list is actually boring

Get silly with words and nerd out

The end!

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by Maursault on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:15AM (#35825154)
uh, you forgot the actual tl;dr, which is

     cinematographer --> megachiropteran
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by madmod on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:06AM (#35825099)
Link didn’t work for me. Here is a mirror:

http://archive.today/vyp1c

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by 13of40 on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:14AM (#35825145)
> regulation urogenital

Eyeballed the entire list*. This is the most 2023 one I could find.

(*no)

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by kmoser on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:19AM (#35825178)
That was pretty good for a one-word anagram. Back in the 1990s I wrote a program that generated anagrams for longer phrases and I was surprised to find these prescient ones:

Saddam Hussein = He damns Saudis

Charles Manson = Slasher con man

David Letterman = Dead mitral vent

Mary Jo Kopechne = My joke chaperon *

Benito Mussolini = So, I bout Leninism

Lee Harvey Oswald = Oe, why ever Dallas? *

* "Chaperon" is a valid alternate spelling of "chaperone"

** Yes, "oe" is a word

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by pfdietz on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:18AM (#35825463)
Ronald Wilson Reagan = Insane Anglo Warlord
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by eesmith on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:00AM (#35826516)
Dick Cavett, https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/04/style/dick-cavett-intervi...

> I guess I’ll be known for nothing more than being the man who realized that “Spiro Agnew” was “grow a penis.” Gore Vidal said, “It could be ‘grow a spine,’ too, but yours is better.”

Boy, they're really socking it to that Spiro Agnew guy again.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by kmoser on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:44AM (#35826768)
His pal Richard Milhous Nixon = Nix Hanoi child rumors
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by hgsgm on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:04AM (#35829351)
That's why they're called nattering nabobs of negativism.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by kmoser on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:39AM (#35826732)
Also "Orwellian radon snag"
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by kthejoker2 on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:41AM (#35825582)
Clint Eastwood = Old West Action is still my favorite serendiptious anagram.

I also like the mathematically correct

ELEVEN PLUS TWO = TWELVE PLUS ONE

especially because it's also an numeric anagram

11 + 2 = 12 + 1

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by hliyan on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:39AM (#35825960)
Mother in law = Woman Hitler is another classic
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jdthedisciple on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:23AM (#35826983)
okay that one caught me off guard
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by version_five on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:20AM (#35827802)
Does that count as Godwinning the anagrams discussion?
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by bombcar on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:27AM (#35828341)
Godwin’s law = wild wagons
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jodrellblank on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:22AM (#35826646)
And it’s 13 letters long
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by raverbashing on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:05AM (#35828179)
> ELEVEN PLUS TWO = TWELVE PLUS ONE

Goedel's incompleteness theorem fans would be drooling all over this

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by hgsgm on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:03AM (#35829330)
Why?
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by raverbashing on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:25AM (#35829643)
Because it would be another way of expressing this idea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del_numbering (yes it's not easy to understand)
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by mfragin on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:29AM (#35829693)
Things like that explain how some people get obsessed with numerology. Except, I find the anagrams like you and the previous commenter mentioned to be more impressive than anything numerologists produce.

Some of those are almost creepy in how they make so much sense.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by carlmr on Saturday May 06, 2023 @06:48AM (#35840074)
We're pattern matching machines, if you throw enough randomness at us we will find patterns anyway.

Probably because looking at evolution it's more helpful to see a predator that isn't there, than to miss a predator that is there. It intuitively makes sense that we would tilt towards false positives over false negatives in our perception. Since one has a higher cost attached than the other.

Which is why I find some of the discussion arround whether GPTs are intelligent interesting. I see the argument quite often that they merely match patterns and combine things. Which to me seems very much akin to us. They lack the ability to interact with the world and there is no feedback loop as of now, but it seems to me that there is something very human to the AI we programmed.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by madcaptenor on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:25AM (#35830455)
The Spanish translation of this is ONCE MAS CUATRO = CATORCE MAS UNO (11 + 4 = 14 + 1).
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by capableweb on Sunday May 07, 2023 @11:44AM (#35852608)
Which (including spaces) is 15 characters long :)
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by carlob on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:38AM (#35826363)
Yeah but chaperon would be masculine and chaperone feminine.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by kmoser on Saturday May 06, 2023 @12:57PM (#35843163)
Ted Kennedy, her "chaperon," was male, so it works perfectly. Although I don't think the difference between the spellings is a gender thing, but rather a British/American thing.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by mjd on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:46AM (#35826417)
I did Wikipedia article titles and found:

Atlantic casino resort spa / Carter assassination plot

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by OJFord on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:09AM (#35826911)
That would make an excellent 'not to be confused with'.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jstimpfle on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:31AM (#35828386)
How many generated anagrams do you have to skim through to find these gems? Was the program written in a way that limits the output to phrases that make at least some sense?
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by kmoser on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:19PM (#35833944)
It had features for things like limiting output to anagrams that contain a maximum number of words, or words with a minimum length, so you wouldn't have to slog through every permutation. Usually the most interesting ones had the fewest words. But "interesting" is subjective so if you really wanted to find juicy ones you would have to spend more time combing through the results by hand.

You can find the documentation, a Win32 executable, and the source code here: https://www.kmoser.com/anagrams/

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jameshart on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:07AM (#35828731)
The most remarkable name anagram for me remains that of 1990s UK conservative Health Secretary and government minister Virginia Bottomley (now Baroness Bottomley of Nettlestone), whose name rearranges to “I’m an evil Tory bigot”.

In terms of this ‘chunk scoring’ method this scores very high (15 I think?), which definitely confirms its value as a way of rating anagram quality.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by zw123456 on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:23AM (#35825196)
just for the heck of it: I stuck "best anagram in English" into Bing ChatGPT and it agreed with that blog.

Bing answer:

There are many anagrams in English. One of the best anagrams in English is "cinematographer" and "megachiropteran" which means a giant bat. It is 15 letters long, and the only letters that stay together are the E and the R².

Source: Conversation with Bing, 5/4/2023 (1) The Best Anagram in English. : languagehat.com. https://languagehat.com/the-best-anagram-in-english/. (2) Anagram Solver - Find all Available Words - Word Finder. https://word.tips/anagram-solver/. (3) The 50 best-ever anagrams? - Anagram Genius. https://www.anagramgenius.com/gem1.html. (4) The Universe of Discourse : I found the best anagram in English. https://blog.plover.com/lang/anagram-scoring.html?ref=upstra.... (5) Complete List of Anagrams : Anagram - English for Students. http://www.english-for-students.com/Complete-List-of-Anagram....

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by superdisk on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:28AM (#35826301)
It just searched Bing and loaded up this very article. And man I'm getting really sick of the unrelated ChatGPT comments on literally every post, no offense.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by zw123456 on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:45AM (#35829882)
OK, fair enough. I will stop doing it. I get down voted a lot for it :)
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by superdisk on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:53AM (#35830000)
I apologize for the snarky comment, I guess I just have GPT fatigue.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by ChancyChance on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:39AM (#35825280)
Jeremy’s Iron
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by aaronbrethorst on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:34AM (#35825550)
Tell me you’re a millennial who grew up watching The Simpsons without etc etc.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by ChancyChance on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:51AM (#35828565)
Actually early genx. I don’t think most millennials were old enough for a lot of the jokes in 90’s simpsons as they were young teens. But glad you got it!
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by aaronbrethorst on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:16PM (#35832313)
“Are you being sarcastic, dude?”

I was born in 1982, and a lot of the humor went over my head til much later. But the first ten seasons or so are still indelibly etched in my memory.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by ChancyChance on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:53AM (#35825341)
What’s nostalgic to me is that this is such a classic Perl pattern: hashing manipulated strings to find relationships. Prior to Perl doing this was painful. Boost wasn’t a thing. Python was in its cradle and Java was still struggling with beans. Perl removed the barriers between complex coding ideas and an implementation that C wasn’t ready for. The time from thought to prototype was near instant compared to current compiled languages.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by eesmith on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:52AM (#35826458)
Ummm, the author used awk for the first version in the 1990s.

> This was easy to do, even at the time, when the word list itself, at 2.5 megabytes, was a file of significant size. Perl and its cousins were not yet common; in those days I used Awk. But the task is not very different in any reasonable language:

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by ChancyChance on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:33AM (#35828408)
I know. I’m talking about Perl. Try to keep up.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by eesmith on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:15AM (#35828831)
Do pay attention.

You wrote "Prior to Perl doing this was painful.".

I highlighted how you contradicted the author's claim that it was easy to do using awk. Awk existed long before Perl.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by ChancyChance on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:42AM (#35829081)
What’s the word for when snark backfires?
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by doctor_eval on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:05AM (#35829357)
“Sorry”?
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by hgsgm on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:10AM (#35829447)
krans
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by DonHopkins on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:02PM (#35831122)
snark backfires = barf earns kicks
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by eesmith on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:45AM (#35829886)
As a concrete example, while my awk skills are extremely rusty, here's a program which will normalize the input line, create a table mapping the normalized name to the matching original lines, then at the end it only displays the ones with at least 5 anagrams.

I tried to avoid modern awk features, like asort, to be something that would have worked in the 1980s:

  {
      # Convert to normal form:
      #  1. Fold to lower case
      #  2. Bin the letters to get frequency counts
      #  3. Only consider lower case ASCII letters
      split(tolower($0), letters, "");
  
      # Ignore asort() in modern awks and do a bin sort instead.
      for (i in letters) {
          c = letters[i];
          repeats[c] = repeats[c] c;
      }
  
      normal_form = "";
      for (i=97; i<=122; i++) {
          c = sprintf("%c", i); # no chr() in a 1980s awk
          normal_form = normal_form repeats[c];
      }
  
      table[normal_form] = table[normal_form] "," $0
      delete repeats;
  }
  END {
      # Only show the ones with at least 5 matches
      for (i in table) {
          match_str = table[i];
          split(match_str, matches, ",");
          num_matches = length(matches)-1
          if (num_matches >= 5) {
              # print the number of matches, then the match string
              printf("%d%s\n", num_matches, match_str);
          }
      }
  }
When I try it on a word list I have handy, here are the most common words:

  % awk -f anagram.awk < words_alpha.txt | sort -n -t, | tail -5
  13,elaps,lapse,leaps,lepas,pales,peals,pleas,salep,saple,sepal,slape,spale,speal
  14,anestri,antsier,asterin,eranist,nastier,ratines,resiant,restain,retains,retinas,retsina,stainer,starnie,stearin
  14,apers,apres,asper,pares,parse,pears,prase,presa,rapes,reaps,repas,spaer,spare,spear
  14,arest,aster,astre,rates,reast,resat,serta,stare,strae,tares,tarse,tears,teras,treas
  15,alerts,alters,artels,estral,laster,lastre,rastle,ratels,relast,resalt,salter,slater,staler,stelar,talers
Certainly Perl is more succinct, though note that even up to Perl 4 in the early 1990s you would need to use the string concatenation method to store the list of matches in the table.

But, "painful"? No. Not to someone who knew how to use awk.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by hnfong on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:17AM (#35826612)
You don't _need_ to hash anything.

The simplest way to do it, is to convert all the words to (normal_form, orig_word) pairs, write the list to a file, then sort it.

It will be trivial to find the words with common normal form after the sort.

(Of course, you wouldn't catch me trying to implement that with C if perl is an option...)

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by avereveard on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:20AM (#35827803)
But the normal form as defined by the article is an hash, even if you then use sorting instead of bucketing
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by layer8 on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:55AM (#35828605)
The point is that you don’t need a hash table implementation. And the normalization that is used as the sorting key doesn’t otherwise have good hash-like qualities (like constant size and a good distribution) and thus doesn’t especially deserve to be called a hash.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by ChancyChance on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:46AM (#35829112)
How do you extract the last (largest) entry for each normalized key from the sorted list? What is the command line function?
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by hnfong on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:40AM (#35829829)
It can be a simple ~20 line C program that checks whether the previous line has the same normalized key as the current line. It doesn't require hashing. I didn't say you could do it all with standard unix programs.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by layer8 on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:03PM (#35832119)
You pipe the sorted list into awk (for example) and append the second field to a list as long as the value of the first field remains the same. Whenever the value of the first field changes, and in the END block, you output the list (which contains the matching anagrams) and reset it to empty.

No hash table needed, just splitting the line into the two fields, equality comparison, and appending values to a list.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by ChancyChance on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:35AM (#35828428)
Go try your method and spot the bug. If you can’t, then respond and I’ll tell you. hint: you need one more manipulation to find the answer before or after the sort, there’s a command line version of it but it uses .. a hash.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by zeroonetwothree on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:42AM (#35829077)
Even in C it’s not that hard to make a basic hash table. It’s probably like 20 lines of code or something.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by fingerlocks on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:02AM (#35825387)
I thought integrals / triangles was much more interesting, despite the shorter length. None of the other long pairs have any meaningful relationship, except for maybe excitation / intoxicate
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by albert_e on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:40AM (#35825969)
What you don't think all married people are admirers of sidearms /s

> 7 admirer married > 7 admires sidearm

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by bombcar on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:28AM (#35828352)
This one reminded me of those captcha cartoons that were popular for awhile. “Admires sidearm” in curved writing and a simple drawing.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by layer8 on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:52AM (#35828580)
It seemed to me that integral/triangle (singular) should really get the same score.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by bawolff on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:14AM (#35825442)
Feels like the edit distance algorithm would be the natural fit here for scoring.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by dmurray on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:09AM (#35825742)
How does that do on the longest example found by the author, which he (correctly IMO) dismisses as uninteresting?

cholecystoduodenostomy / duodenocholecystostomy

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by tgv on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:45AM (#35826007)
Trigram overlap is a better measure.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by mjd on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:10AM (#35826565)
Scored by Levenenshtein distance, that is still fourth-highest.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by mjd on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:51AM (#35826454)
This came up the last time this was discussed here. It didn't work well.

https://gist.github.com/anonymous/431b163b2a2d532bfd0a3bdcc7...

See https://blog.plover.com/lang/anagram-scoring-3.html for more details.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by oraknabo on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:32AM (#35825539)
I don't know why, but I really like soapstone teaspoons.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by euroderf on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:38AM (#35825572)
I will counter that with.. timesaving negativism.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by xref on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:25AM (#35825831)
I’ve seen better.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by oraknabo on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:34PM (#35832532)
That one has real meaning too. Being naturally inclined to mentally run through all the worst case scenarios for everything has definitely saved me time over the years.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by euroderf on Saturday May 06, 2023 @06:35AM (#35840001)
Over the long run, minimizing the maximally worst cases works.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by GaggiX on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:35AM (#35825555)
I think the best anagrams are the ones that create meaningful phases, I would probably train a SVM or a simple linear layer on BERT (or other encoder) embeddings and use it to score the results.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by Tumblewood on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:53AM (#35825662)
Some of my favorite pairs from the big list:

misrelation / orientalism; superintended / unpredestined; incorporate / procreation (don't mind if i do!); predators / teardrops (a cause and effect); counteridea / reeducation (a bit synonymous); streamlined / derailments (quite opposite!); truculent / unclutter; colonialist / oscillation; renavigate / vegetarian; persistent / prettiness; paternoster / penetrators (hmm); obscurantist / subtractions; nectarines / transience (a story of ripeness); definability / identifiably; indiscreet / iridescent; excitation / intoxicate; discounter / reductions (how logical!)

One small suggestion I have: add a point for pairs with different starting letters, and another point for pairs with different ending letters.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by rob74 on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:23AM (#35826651)
Also "Xenoparasite Exasperation" - would have made a great title for a 1960s/70s Sci-Fi B movie...
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by croisillon on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:42AM (#35826751)
in French we have chien (dog) / niche (doghouse)
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by carlmr on Saturday May 06, 2023 @06:39AM (#35840026)
Almost verlan!
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by croisillon on Sunday May 07, 2023 @04:37AM (#35849226)
iench is the verlan dog ;)
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by irrational on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:46AM (#35826015)
> I wouldn't have mentioned this, but someone on StackExchange actually asked this question.

I wonder if the author realizes how condescending this is.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by mjd on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:48AM (#35826433)
I'm listening. Please explain.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by rjh29 on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:21AM (#35826975)
imo interpretation of actually as "I can't believe someone did this (that someone could be so stupid)" rather than actually as "this is an event that definitely occured". Didn't seem too bad to me.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by irrational on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:29AM (#35828960)
You basically said, “Can you believe someone actually was so stupid as to ask this question on stackexchange? I didn’t believe anyone could actually be that stupid, so I wasn’t go to address it, but it turns out there actually are people that stupid, and they actually outed themselves by posting their question out in the open! So, here I am having to address it in my blog post in case there are other people who actually are equally stupid.”
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by dahart on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:51AM (#35829971)
I’m pretty sure I wrote an anagram solver as a teenager that just spins through permutations forever. I guess I was that stupid once. No comment on whether I’m cured now. Your point is valid, the wording can be read as to imply negativity, but that’s also interpreting it in a negative light. The author was also defending his warning against an imaginary rebuttal, justifying the mention to not to waste time solving anagrams the naive brute force way. I don’t think he was trying to be elitist or offensive, and it is in fact true that people will solve anagrams the slow way, so doesn’t hurt to mention it, and it can even help on occasion. We don’t have to take it as condescending.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by mjd on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:28PM (#35831582)
I didn't “basically” say any of that. I didn't say any of it at all; you made it all up and then attributed it to me. All I actually did was to state a fact: someone on StackExchange actually asked this question.

All those thoughts about what a stupid question it is, and how stupid someone must have been to ask it—all those are thoughts you had, not me.

If I had left out that explanation, you might be here asking why I was discussing the try-all-permutations algorithm at all, and claiming that I was patronizing and belittling the audience, “basically saying” that the reader was so stupid that they might not realize that the try-all-permutations method would be ineffective.

But someone did ask that question, and I wanted to be helpful and mention it.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by Ancapistani on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:20PM (#35832356)
FWIW, I also originally read that line to imply "I thought this was obvious, but apparently I need to be explicit anyway".

Given the tone of the rest of the article I assumed that I'd either read something into it that wasn't there or was missing some context - for example, perhaps the person on SO had insisted that this was the correct approach, and you'd gone to some lengths to show that it was not and were exasperated by it by the time you wrote the article.

At any rate - it didn't really take away from your article for me, but I did see it as condescending.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by mjd on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:01PM (#35832917)
Thanks for letting me know.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by yantrams on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:47AM (#35826025)
While I personally agree with the end result - cinematographer megachiropteran possibly being the best anagram, its worth exploring other scoring mechanisms I suppose - some kind of alliteration / cadence score to quantify how the words roll in succession. Maybe throw in semantic distance as well using clip embeddings probably to quantify the surprise element (or closeness for that matter). Gonna play around with this and see what I can do.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by abecedarius on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:27AM (#35828932)
Sounds like fun -- here's a try at alliteration scoring for a start: https://github.com/darius/alliterate
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by yantrams on Saturday May 06, 2023 @05:25AM (#35839633)
Thanks for the share, will look into it. Cheers
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by _jholland on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:50AM (#35826042)
This is great! It reminds me of a Tom7 video of a similar ilk: Anagrams, but where you can break apart letters: "Anagraphs" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTBAW-Eh0tM.

Similar to this, he produces a standard form for each word, but breaks each letter into letter pieces or 'atoms' which gives much more freedom for moving between words.

Definitely give it a watch. If you are not familiar with Tom7's videos, he has a hilarious whimsical style while also bringing to life completely out there ideas with some brilliant technical skill.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by bitwize on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:08AM (#35826203)
Megachiropterans are fruit bats. They are really stinking adorable, especially when compared to smaller insect-eating bats, and for that reason are sometimes called flying foxes. In short, they make good subjects for cinematographers.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by weedfroglozenge on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:43AM (#35826397)
One of the longest anagrams I know that doesn't involve obscure medical words is "astronomers" and "moon starers." Both of these phrases contain the same letters but in a different order, making them anagrams of each other. This anagram contains 11 letters and is quite interesting, as both phrases relate to looking up at the night sky and studying celestial bodies.

ChatGPT

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jodrellblank on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:24AM (#35826661)
The wordsmith link in my other comment tells me that one is a triple on that theme:

astronomers = moon starers = no more stars

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by wiz21c on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:46AM (#35826412)
> coprophagist

Now that's something...

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jansan on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:24AM (#35826989)
Yeah, I wish I haadn't looked up the meaning.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by petesergeant on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:59AM (#35826512)
This is linked from a link, and describes anagrams being used to prove you were the first discoverer of something: https://spark.iop.org/puzzle-hookes-law#:~:text=When%20Hooke....
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by tysam_and on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:18AM (#35826627)
The world, overcrowded and jostling itself with all of its masculine calumnies....
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jodrellblank on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:22AM (#35826645)
https://wordsmith.org/anagram/ is nice for finding multi-word anagrams, and it has a hall of fame link also.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by pdpi on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:14AM (#35826942)
My personal favourite is that an anagram of Banach-Tarski is Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jdthedisciple on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:21AM (#35826974)
aha, I see what you did there
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by croisillon on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:21AM (#35826973)
underrated comment
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by psychoslave on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:13AM (#35828802)
Deductions Kramer.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by cwmoore on Saturday May 06, 2023 @05:21PM (#35845467)
"deduction markers", no?
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by psychoslave on Wednesday May 10, 2023 @08:02AM (#35886143)
Discounted remark.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by Aeolun on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:07AM (#35827695)
Just like in the original, I think it’s only going to work in theory.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by layer8 on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:42AM (#35828482)
It only has a score of 6 though, in the typical formulation.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by adammarples on Saturday May 06, 2023 @06:32AM (#35839987)
Guess what the B in "Benoit B. Mandelbrot" stands for?
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by pdpi on Tuesday May 09, 2023 @12:28PM (#35876772)
Given that he added that middle "initial" himself and he didn't actually have a middle name, I like thinking that he added it precisely to make that joke work. Probably not true, but I still like it.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by cubefox on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:29AM (#35827009)
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by Amorymeltzer on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:43AM (#35829089)
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by cubefox on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:18AM (#35829553)
The latter on diminutives is interesting. Wikipedia:

> Productive diminutives are infrequent to nonexistent in Standard English in comparison with many other languages.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diminutives_by_langu...

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by cubefox on Friday May 05, 2023 @05:40AM (#35827054)
I wonder whether someone made a similar effort for finding the "most rhyming" words in English. Of course, since this would be based on sound, it would need to incorporate additional information besides spelling.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by bombcar on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:30AM (#35828372)
It also starts a huge argument about what kinds of rhyming are permitted (visual, sound, which accent, etc) - and some languages “rhyme” on things we wouldn’t use in English like the emphasis, etc.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by bloopernova on Friday May 05, 2023 @06:48AM (#35827571)
Quick shout out to the New York Times game "Spelling Bee". It involves making lots of words from 6 letters plus 1 mandatory letter.

https://www.nytimes.com/puzzles/spelling-bee

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by kazinator on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:18AM (#35827783)

  This is the TXR Lisp interactive listener of TXR 285.
  Quit with :quit or Ctrl-D on an empty line. Ctrl-X ? for cheatsheet.
  TXR's sound system features 120 dB separation between quarreling audiophiles.
  1> (flow "/usr/share/dict/words"
           file-get-lines
           (group-by sort)
           hash-values
           (keep-if cdr)
           (sort @1 : [chain car len]))
  (("ho" "oh") ("am" "ma") ("em" "me") ("no" "on") ("ah" "ha") ("it" "ti")
   ("mu" "um") ("eh" "he") ("ate" "eat" "eta" "tea") ("bar" "bra")
  [...]
   ("certification" "rectification") ("accouterments" "accoutrements")
   ("peripatetic's" "precipitate's") ("amphitheaters" "amphitheatres")
   ("colonialist's" "oscillation's") ("enumeration's" "mountaineer's")
   ("imperfections" "perfectionism") ("antiparticles" "paternalistic")
   ("broadcaster's" "rebroadcast's") ("impressiveness" "permissiveness")
   ("conservation's" "conversation's") ("tablespoonfuls" "tablespoonsful")
   ("certifications" "rectifications") ("amphitheater's" "amphitheatre's")
   ("certification's" "rectification's") ("impressiveness's" "permissiveness's"))
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by pavlov on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:00AM (#35828149)
Waiting for someone to post a 4-symbol APL version (which makes use of a language feature added by an eccentric hedge fund millionaire in 2002 and removed in 2017, to ensure nobody ever runs it).
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by zirkonit on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:39AM (#35829816)
According to GPT-4, an equivalent APL one-liner is:

(⊢⌷⍨∘⍋∘≢¨)↑1<≢¨⊢⌸(⍋⊢)¨⎕NGET'/usr/share/dict/words'1

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by pavlov on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:19AM (#35830358)
AI-assisted APL could totally be a thing.

Why shouldn’t my programs be intense neutron stars of weird symbols, if there’s a superhuman intelligence always at hand to explain and improve the code?

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by kazinator on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:26PM (#35834014)
Assembly language generation by symbolic AI (compilers) has been here for 60 years. The "prompts" are very precise and predictably behaved.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jodrellblank on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:36AM (#35830625)
That doesn't work in Dyalog APL, comes back with RANK ERROR.

It's idiomatic to pick ⊃ the first result of ⎕NGET to get just the lines to work on, and not the other things like file encoding.

Then grade-up-right-train-each (⍋⊢)¨ is redunant, it's the same as grade-up-each ⍋¨

The grade is an array of which indices to take to put the argument in sorted order and I don't think it makes sense to group ⌸ by that since the grade isn't the same for different arrangements of letters, so the whole approach breaks down there. I think the words have to be sorted, e.g to pick out 'bat' and 'tab' as the same letters:

          {⍺, ≢⍵}⌸{⍵[⍋⍵]}¨words ← 'bat' 'dog' 'tab' 'cow' 'wok'

    abt 2
    dgo 1
    ...
Then 1<≢¨ would be "1 is less than the count (tally) of each" which fits somewhere in the solution, but not there and won't work on my array. We don't need to know the actual sorted letters so we can inline the bitmask of which answers matter or not in the first column:

          {(1<≢⍵),⍵}⌸{⍵[⍋⍵]}¨words ← 'bat' 'dog' 'tab' 'cow' 'woka'
    ┌→────┐
    ↓1 1 3│
    │0 2 0│
    │0 4 0│
    │0 5 0│
    └~────┘
Any with a 1 in the first column are anagrams, and 0 in the first column are not. And the other columns are indices into the wordlist where the matching words are, so words[1,3] picks out 'bat' and 'tab' and it's probably possible to filter rows with 1 in the first column:

          {⍵[;1]⌿⍵}{(1<≢⍵),⍵}⌸{⍵[⍋⍵]}¨words←'bat' 'dog' 'tab' 'cow' 'bta' 'racecar' 'carrace'
and then drop the first column:

          1↓[2]{⍵[;1]⌿⍵}{(1<≢⍵),⍵}⌸{⍵[⍋⍵]}¨words
Then uhh filter out the zeros to avoid index error, and index into the word list, so:

          {words[⍵/⍨⍵>0]}¨⊂[2]1↓[2]{⍵[;1]⌿⍵}{(1<≢⍵),⍵}⌸{⍵[⍋⍵]}¨words←⊃⎕NGET 'wordlist.txt' 1

    ┌→───────────────────────────────────────────────────
    │ ┌→────────────┐ ┌→────────────────┐ ┌→────────────┐
    │ │ ┌→──┐ ┌→──┐ │ │ ┌→────┐ ┌→────┐ │ │ ┌→──┐ ┌→──┐ │
    │ │ │aah│ │aha│ │ │ │aahed│ │ahead│ │ │ │aal│ │ala│ │ [...]
    │ │ └───┘ └───┘ │ │ └─────┘ └─────┘ │ │ └───┘ └───┘ │
    │ └∊────────────┘ └∊────────────────┘ └∊────────────┘
    └∊───────────────────────────────────────────────────
    
It can probably be done shorter and cleaner with more skill than I have. It's a lot quicker to execute than the PowerShell version I commented, but took a lot longer to code.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by rak1507 on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:59PM (#35832050)
(⊢⊢⍤/⍨1<≢¨)({⍵[⍋⍵]}¨⊢∘⊂⌸⊢)words or something like that maybe
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jodrellblank on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:31PM (#35834086)
Ah!

(That expands to {⍵[⍋⍵]}¨words to sort each word, then use that on the left of Key ⌸ with words on the right, and Key feeds the count and indices into the custom function which is ⊢∘⊂ that takes the indicies with right-tack ⊢ and throws away the count, and encloses them with ⊂. That gives nested arrays of words which sort the same, including invididual words that sort like nothing else. Then (⊢⊢⍤/⍨1<≢¨) added to the left is counting the words in each nesting and filtering out the single ones, and I think ⊢⍤/ is a bodge to use compress in a train without it being misread as reduce when both use the same symbol / ?)

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by abecedarius on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:40AM (#35829061)
Can you explain that last line (sort @1 : [chain car len])?
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by kazinator on Friday May 05, 2023 @03:22PM (#35833977)
Yes. @1 indicates where the first argument of the implicit function is inserted. (It's like _ in some partial application syntaxes, but more general because there can be multiple implicit arguments.) The previous steps produced a list of word lists, so we indicate that this giant list, which is the implicit first argument of this function of the pipeline, is going into the first argument position of sort.

The : symbol causes argument 2 of sort to be defaulted, as if it were omitted. That's the comparison function, which defaults to less. In TXR Lisp, you can explicitly default optional arguments with : so that can then specify later arguments.

We then specify argument 3, the function for selecting the key to sort by for each element. Each element is a list of words (anagrams fo equal length). We pick the first one with car, and take its length: chain will compose those functions for us.

We use square brackets because the function names are in the function namespace: square brackets provide a function application language in which variables and functions are in one namespace.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by abecedarius on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:07PM (#35836215)
Thanks! It's interesting to see some ideas from other Lisp dialects. Maybe I'll learn a bit more TXR.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jodrellblank on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:53AM (#35829999)
PowerShell 7:

    PS C:\> get-content wordlist.txt 
            | group { -join ([char[]]$_ | sort) }
            | where count -ge 2
            | sort {$_.Name.Length}
    
     Count Name                      Group
    ----- ----                      -----
        2 ho                        {ho, oh}
        2 do                        {do, od}
        2 ay                        {ay, ya}
    [...]
        2 aeghhiiloooppssty         {pathophysiologies, physiopathologies}
        2 aacghhiilloooppsty        {pathophysiological, physiopathological}
        2 aceghhiimooopprrst        {microphotographies, photomicrographies}
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by myoldohiohome on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:25AM (#35827841)
I'm a non-coding lurker here, but the only thing that ever motivated me to write my own program was to solve the newspaper anagram puzzle, "Jumble", faster than my wife. I wrote it in Basic, then re-wrote it in assembly language, I forget when. Then in Fortran while home bound during the first summer of the pandemic - to atone for my past sin of neglecting to learn Fortran when I had a chance in the late 1960's.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by mock-possum on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:40AM (#35829826)
I dunno man, I’ve never heard of a “non-coder” rewriting the same program in three languages, including one round ‘just because’
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by lurquer on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:19AM (#35830363)
I did the same thing! I stumbled upon an old ‘Al Zimmerman’ programming contest that involved creating wordsearch grids with the most words possible. I had a technique in mind, wrote it in BASIC. Then realized that was too slow. So I tried it in Java (which I’d heard was easy… it wasn’t… st least not to me). And then finally wrote it in C++, a language I found perfect in all respects. I actually ranked near the top in that contest, and I’ve been programming ever since. Ironically, I write programs to make puzzle books and I even have a Jumble knock-off on Amazon (sans cartoons… can’t draw worth a damn.)
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by mxuribe on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:42AM (#35830716)
With respect, the moment you mentioned "re-wrote it in assembly language"...you stopped being a non-coder! :-) By the way, very cool use of technolgoy for somewhat everyday things (solving puzzles).
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jodrellblank on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:56AM (#35830987)
I did similar for a newspaper puzzle unscrambler, pushing to rewrite it in lower level languages (PowerShell then C# then Rust) and changing algorithm (from sort letters, to precompute lookup hashtable of sorted letters, to multiply prime numbers one for each alphabet letter to drop the overhead of sorting, to lookup hash of those, to sorting the integer results into an array to do a binary search through and jump to the matching offset in an answers array and inlining those in the code) until it was near enough instant.

... and I don't use it, because unjumbling the word myself is satisfying, but typing the letters into a computer and getting the answer isn't.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by _a_a_a_ on Friday May 05, 2023 @01:02PM (#35832110)
> to multiply prime numbers one for each alphabet letter to drop the overhead of sorting

how does that work?

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jodrellblank on Friday May 05, 2023 @02:29PM (#35833321)
Not sure if you're asking about the technique, or the math, or the comparison with sorting, so here's a long answer of all of them - start like the secret codes from childhood by giving numbers to letters so A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, etc.

Then go through a word and find the values for each letter and multiply them together, e.g. "tab" is 20 x 1 x 2 = 40 and hopefully an anagram that just rearranges the letters gets the same answer because multiplication doesn't change if you shuffle the numbers around, e.g. "bat" is 2 x 1 x 20 = 40 which is the same, "bat" and "tab" are anagrams... but with the integers it doesn't always work and different words can clash e.g. "fab" 6 x 1 x 2 = 12 and "cad" 3 x 1 x 4 = 12 have the same answer but are not anagrams.

Prime numbers help because the Fundamental Theorem of Arithmetic[1][2] says that there can't be any clashes when you multiply Primes, every number breaks down into a unique product of Primes (I can't prove that myself, but it is apparently true). So give the letters Prime numbers A=2, B=3, C=5, D=7, E=11, F=13, etc. and now "fab" 13 x 2 x 3 = 78 and "cad" 5 x 2 x 7 = 70 no longer clash. The only way to get the same answer is to have the same primes (in any order), so anagrams will have the same answer and non-anagrams will not.

Why it drops the overhead of sorting is that the time for sorting any collection requires looking at each item and comparing at least some of them, and swapping positions of at least some of them, generally O(N items x log(N)). Lookup the letter in a Prime value array and multiplication once per letter doesn't need any comparisons or any swapping positions, so it is O(N items) time, that gives this approach less work to do for each word, so it can finish faster.

It looks like (Python):

    primes = [2,3,5,7,...]
    ascii_a = 97
    product = 1

    for c in word:
        product *= primes[ord(c) - ascii_a]
Do that for the incoming word, and for every word in the wordlist, and see which have matching products, those are the anagrams. Or pre-compute for all the words in the wordlist and only do it for the incoming word and then lookup the matching ones.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_arithme...

[2] https://www.varsitytutors.com/hotmath/hotmath_help/topics/pr...

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by justinlloyd on Friday May 05, 2023 @04:55PM (#35835046)
Prime combinatorics - I think every programmer independently discovers the technique. You can also determine if a shorter word can be made from a longer word, e.g. "cat" from "catch", by looking for modulo results.

And the technique of Prime Combinatorics for an "alphabet" can be used to solve Poker hands, Blackjack hands, Match 3 puzzle games, slot machine reel positions, and a slew of other similar problems where you would ordinarily have to build a very complex logic table/switch-case/if-then-else decision tree.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by kadoban on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:01PM (#35837544)
Is it actually faster?

You could just do counting sort if the big-O is important, but I'm a bit suspicious about that big-O anyway. A model where multiplying arbitrarily big numbers is constant time is a bit unrealistic, kind of feels like it's getting off the hook for a log factor for free.

It's also all such small values that I'm not sure the big-O matters either, I'm not confident which would win without just trying it. I'd _guess_ that usual sort probably just wins though, or counting sort if you really went out of the way to optimize it.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jodrellblank on Saturday May 06, 2023 @02:26AM (#35838647)
Huh, good call; it was 2 years ago that I did it, and I've retried to test it; the values overflow an Int64 or a Uint64 for words like "abortiveness" (== 38199980262261136506). Trying in PowerShell that overflowed to a double and then errored assigning it to an Int64.

Looking what was happening, I find C# doesn't throw overflow exceptions by default and instead wraps around. That takes 0.05 seconds for all 172k words compared to 0.1 seconds for sorting all words so it ran a lot faster, yes, but it was wrong and may have clashed words. Same with Rust and overflows, it seems. Turning it to System.Numerics.BigInteger in C# makes it take about the same time 0.1s for both. In Python which handles any size integers it takes a lot more time, 0.14 seconds for sorting, 0.4 seconds for products.

That means my embedded arrays of products are all overflowed as well. What a good example for arguing that programs should be correct first, and fast second. (I remember being suspicious of overflows, but I don't remember what I tried to conclude that all the word results would fit into int64, but it must have been bad).

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jodrellblank on Saturday May 06, 2023 @11:19AM (#35842178)
Too late to edit my earlier reply, but I remembered what happened - for my newspaper puzzle, only 9 letter words are possible answers, and all 9 letter word products fit in an int64. Then in C# it is faster, casual runs seem to knock 20-25% off the runtime (~0.035 seconds vs ~0.045 seconds), but in PowerShell it is slower.

(I'm curious,if it would be possible to shuffle the primes around to bring all words in my full wordlist down to UInt64; the highest is 2810298024552111657086849344270208275 - microspectrophotometries which is some quadrillion times too big. Rearranging the by letter frequency in the wordlist brings it down to 24474928756352445162715195352080 - electroencephalographically which is still a trillion times too big, so I doubt it).

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by kadoban on Saturday May 06, 2023 @05:29PM (#35845509)
very interesting, both this comment and the sibling one. I didn't really consider how much could fit in an uint64. If all the words can be made to fit then that should indeed be quite fast (I was assuming bigints).
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by hoosieree on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:05PM (#35831166)
We regret to inform you that you are now a former non-coder.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by mjd on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:22PM (#35831498)
About thirty years ago I had an account on a computer system that had a Boggle game, and I got tired of losing to it. So I wrote a program (in C!) which, when run, would search the grid and print out a list of all the words it found. Since I was using a bigger dictionary than the Boggle game itself, I found a lot more words. Ha ha, take that!

I proudly boasted to a friend about my winning Boggle solver and they said it was the pettiest thing they had ever heard of.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by NoZebra120vClip on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:26AM (#35827851)
Don't forget the utterly classic anagrams we made out of "Information Superhighway" when that term was first introduced to a skeptical public.

https://ad1c.us/infobahn.htm

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by intrasight on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:02AM (#35828678)
LOL. Those a great. I encourage folks to look.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by aqme28 on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:51AM (#35829974)
Writing a program to find grammatically correct sentence anagrams seems like quite the challenge.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by hoosieree on Friday May 05, 2023 @12:17PM (#35831395)
Some gems in there, like

    human parties | puritan shame
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by HarHarVeryFunny on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:27AM (#35827862)
My favorite has always been: A man a plan a canal Panama
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by mauvehaus on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:02AM (#35828159)
That's a palindrome, not an anagram. If you'd like to see the director's cut of that palindrome, it's available here:

http://www.fun-with-words.com/palin_panama.html

I've always been partial to pangrams: sentences that use every letter in the alphabet at least once, typically shooting for a short sentence.

My favorite is "Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs". Not minimal, but delightful and uses only words that most mortals know.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jodrellblank on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:06AM (#35828720)
My favourite is that the 49 word one was found by Guy Steele.

Yes, this Guy Steele: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_L._Steele_Jr.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by abecedarius on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:52AM (#35829176)
See also https://norvig.com/palindrome.html with code and a bit of Steele followup.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by Daub on Friday May 05, 2023 @07:29AM (#35827875)
Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by akerr on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:39AM (#35828453)
That’s a palindrome but a good EP by Soundgarden (Nude Dragons).
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by Technotroll on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:21AM (#35828305)
Seems the best ones are exclusively of Greek or Latin influence. What are the best ones with Germanic or Celtic influence?
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by kshay on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:27AM (#35828342)
I’m going to hear the Paul Simon lyric as “Don’t I know you from the megachiropteran’s party?” from now on
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by hgsgm on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:06AM (#35829383)
If it is Greig Fraser's party, sure.
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by skottk on Friday May 05, 2023 @09:47AM (#35829118)
In a book release event for Stefan Fatsis's book on tournament Scrabble players, Word Freak, the host posed the "megachiropteran" anagram as a trivia question for a book giveaway.

One of the top players in my club _instantly_ replied "cinematographer," and added, "but megachiropteran isn't in the OSPD [Official Scrabble Players' Dictionary], so it doesn't really count."

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by hgsgm on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:01AM (#35829307)
Why do scrabble players care about words that long? Beyond fun trivia.

What's the longest word ever played in an actual game of Scrabble? And though this is hard to get data for, what's the longest word that ever could have been played but missed?

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by skottk on Thursday May 11, 2023 @03:27PM (#35907183)
Either just by having developed their brains in a way that word facts just stick, or by constantly seeking out new word facts because that's what they love doing.

I believe that the gentleman in this case instantly saw the word 'cinematographer' hiding in 'megachiropteran' because his brain is a highly trained anagramming machine, and knew that it wasn't allowed because he knew all of the allowed 15-letter words, just in case he might get the opportunity to play one.

High-level players memorize staggering numbers of words. All 2- and 3- letter words is entry-level. All X-J-Q-Z, all Q-without-U, all words you ending in -MAN, all 70+ 7-letter words of the form SATINE+... top-level players know the 4000 4-letter words, the 5000 5's, and way, way more.

This (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/scrabble-records-highest-sco...) lists cases in which 15-letter words were played by adding prefixes or suffixes to other words.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by eternalban on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:35AM (#35829774)
Megachiropteran lit up helicopter for me (as soon as he worte it means mega-bat) and chiro- naturally zing'd the word chiropractor. First guess was 'opter'/'opter' must have something to do with flight and the o is shared as a connective and it means 'bone-flying'. Wrong: turns out -pter is Latin for 'wing', and so we have helico(l)-pter (helix-wing) and our featherless friends are chiro-pter (hand-wing).
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by btbuildem on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:02AM (#35830109)
Made me think of ornithopter (from Greek ornis, ornith- "bird" and pteron "wing")
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by DFHippie on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:44AM (#35829881)
Shameless plug:

https://github.com/dfhoughton/ranagrams

I find it a good time killer. Note, there's a word list in the repo, but `crate install ranagrams` starts you off without a word list.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by blatant303 on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:45AM (#35829887)

    Qui suis-je ?
    
    Me voici Sultan !
    Nuitisme vocal
    Silice mouvant
    Io, vent musical !
    
    Le voici musant
    Mot inclus à vie
    Ce motival insu
    Là vous émincit
    
    Cultivons amie
    Si il vaut ce nom
    Son val muet ici
    
    Indice:
    
    Si nul vice à mot
    Vu ici slame ton
    Nom c'est via lui
    Vaincu tel, omis
    
    
    
    Who am I?
    
    Here I am, Sultan!
    Vocal nightism
    Moving silica
    Io, musical wind!
    
    Here it is, musing
    Word included for life
    This unknown motive
    There, it slices you down
    
    Let's cultivate, friend
    If it's worth that name
    Its silent valley here
    
    Hint:
    
    If no word vice
    Seen here, slams your
    Name, it's through it
    Defeated as such, omitted
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by kevinwang on Friday May 05, 2023 @10:48AM (#35829933)
Hm... I was prepared to be skeptical, but the winning pair is indeed a really great anagram. Good stuff!
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by paulcole on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:29AM (#35830520)
Here's my answer for best English anagram:

11 + 2 = 12 + 1

Eleven plus two = twelve plus one.

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by DonHopkins on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:45AM (#35830770)
There's something magically target-rich about anagrams.

My full first, middle and last name is long enough with common letters that there are several uproariously serendipitous and embarrassingly obscene (even for me) anagrams of my full name.

So bad I would never post them here. Much worse than you could possibly imagine. Take my word for it: you don't want to know.

The only advice I'll share is that parents should carefully screen their baby names with the advanced anagram server, and choose short names with unusual letters that have lower chances of backfiring.

https://wordsmith.org/anagram/advanced.html

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by jihadjihad on Friday May 05, 2023 @11:47AM (#35830793)
Clint Eastwood

Old West Action

Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by zem on Friday May 05, 2023 @08:46PM (#35836853)
one thing i miss from the "olden" days is the fun we used to have coming up with unassisted anagram discoveries and sharing them with each other. i think my personal favourite was antipyretic/pertinacity
Re:I found the best anagram in English (2017) by pilaf on Saturday May 06, 2023 @12:43AM (#35838091)
For any Spanish speakers in here, I got inspired by this and borrowed Mark Dominus' code to find the "best anagram" in Spanish, my results are here: https://github.com/pilaf/anagramas

And here are the top scorers:

11 actinometro / cortamiento

11 aeronáutico / ecuatoriano

11 anemometría / mareamiento

11 apriscadero / esparcidora

11 arremetimiento / meritoriamente

11 atrasamiento / metatarsiano

11 camastronería / sacramentario

11 entropezada / panderetazo

11 importación / piromántico

12 anemométrica / maceramiento