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Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @09:42PM (#34089056)
I would want any hotel I stay in to have mandated at least weekly hotel room cleaning, or at least weekly inspection.

Too many people are sufficiently dirty that it can easily cause pest issues, as well as other damages.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by crooked-v on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @09:44PM (#34089077)
I would assume the reputable but cost-cutting hotels would still be doing a full clean between guest visits, just cutting down on the daily room cleaning while a guest is still there.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @09:48PM (#34089108)
Every single hotel or motel should be doing full clean between guest visits, otherwise it should not even be allowed to operate.

But if a hotel starts letting people stay weeks without checking their room, they will inevitably end up with hoarders and people that keep food lying around and then comes cockroaches and rats and odors, etc.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by midoridensha on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @11:09PM (#34089687)
>Every single hotel or motel should be doing full clean between guest visits, otherwise it should not even be allowed to operate.

The keyword here is "should". I don't have much faith that hotels will actually do this.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by vkou on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @11:29PM (#34089801)
Even bad hotels do this, because people lose their shit and do chargebacks if they end up in an uncleaned room.

Source: a close friend works at a really bad hotel.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by midoridensha on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @11:51PM (#34089953)
So if your friend says this, this implies that uncleaned rooms do happen from time to time, right?
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by vanviegen on Thursday December 22, 2022 @12:47AM (#34090246)
People make mistakes.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by vkou on Thursday December 22, 2022 @05:11AM (#34091800)
No, it means that when housekeeping fails to clean a room, for whatever reason, he can't rent it out.

The people losing their minds and screaming at him is what happens when something else that isn't quite to their satisfaction happens. Like, say, the hotel requiring a deposit and a major credit card and ID to book a room.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by maccard on Thursday December 22, 2022 @05:21AM (#34091874)
This happens in 5 star luxury hotels too. People make mistakes.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by Gigachad on Thursday December 22, 2022 @01:02AM (#34090319)
I recently made a bad choice in hotel and ended up at a fairly dodgy looking place, most of the lights in the room didn’t function and the shower didn’t work properly, but it was spotlessly clean so I accepted the mistake.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by emptybits on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @11:44PM (#34089911)
> But if a hotel starts letting people stay weeks without checking their room, ...

Yet I think people regularly stay for weeks with Airbnb/Vrbo without any host inspection or cleaning. I agree with your conclusion (filthy guests who stay weeks invite pest problems) ... so if the big bad old hotel industry needs to market their advantages, maybe there's an Institutuionally Clean angle.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by thefounder on Thursday December 22, 2022 @05:04AM (#34091759)
That's one of the reasons some people(i.e me) avoid airbnb as much as possible. It seems airbnb is not even cheaper than a hotel (in most cases)
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by mcv on Thursday December 22, 2022 @05:17AM (#34091846)
This is really the heart of the issue with all these new "disruptive" industries. They're cheaper because they avoid a lot of the regulation, but all that regulation exists for a reason. Whether you're replacing taxis with Uber or hotels with airbnb, you're saving money by allowing room for all the problems that made the regulation necessary in the first place.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by MarkPNeyer on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:33AM (#34092333)
There’s always a trade off between “cost” and everything else. If you’re wealthy enough they cost doesn’t really matter to you, regulation is fine because it leads to higher quality experiences in general.

But if you’re not as wealthy, saving money might be more valuable to you than having a room cleaned daily, or having a really nice tv, or a great mattress, etc.

Regulation involves a group of people picking one point on a trade off curve for everyone. Branding and reputation systems allow for multiple different spots on that reputation curve.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by gtowey on Thursday December 22, 2022 @08:24AM (#34092969)
> But if you’re not as wealthy, saving money might be more valuable to you than having a room cleaned daily, or having a really nice tv, or a great mattress, etc.

The problem is that without regulation there is little incentive for business to be honest about the quality of service you're getting. It becomes a race to the bottom as they charge premium prices for cut-rate quality. It's hard for people to take your business elsewhere when you need a place to sleep and arrive late at night to a room that isn't what you expect. They just have to make their dispute process hard enough to keep customer money.

And if you day that's fraud, sure it is, but fraud is only something you can charge a business with because of regulation.

IMO regulation isn't perfect, but we should aim to fix it instead of throwing it out the window entirely

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by gameman144 on Thursday December 22, 2022 @12:45PM (#34096120)
> It's hard for people to take your business elsewhere when you need a place to sleep

I think this is actually how most people end up deciding to take their business elsewhere: they give a company their business once, are let down, and decide to never patronize that business or chain again. This is why customer recommendations and reviews hold weight at all -- they help give signal before your first business interaction.

> but fraud is only something you can charge a business with because of regulation.

I don't think almost anyone is in favor of no regulation, only the prescriptive step-by-step guideline regulations. If a hotel says "we have beds!" and then they don't have beds, that's a very different regulatory case than a hotel saying "our bed are comfortable!" and then their beds are not comfortable.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by ghaff on Thursday December 22, 2022 @10:00AM (#34093923)
There are many different levels of hotel rooms. But, as with many things, service worker labor has gotten more expensive relative to other things (Baumol cost disease basically). So it makes sense for hotels and other industries to automate or simply eliminate things like daily room cleanings that most customers don't actually value a lot.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by TeMPOraL on Thursday December 22, 2022 @11:18AM (#34094954)
> But if you’re not as wealthy, saving money might be more valuable to you than having a room cleaned daily, or having a really nice tv, or a great mattress, etc.

And perhaps saving money might be even more valuable to you than <what you wrote above, but every "or" being progressively replaced with an "and">!

> Regulation involves a group of people picking one point on a trade off curve for everyone. Branding and reputation systems allow for multiple different spots on that reputation curve.

Yes, but that "one point on a trade off curve for everyone" works as a backstop against inevitable slide downwards. If globalization of trade and e-commerce taught us anything, reputation systems are trivially gamed, most branding exists primarily to fool people who still think it means something into spending more for less.

Even without talking about potential fraud, market competition naturally turns into race to the bottom. Regulation is what sets that bottom higher than "absolute worst possible before the market segment self-destructs".

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by phpisthebest on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:38AM (#34092700)
The problem here is when regulation moves beyond safety into protectionism, which I submit ALOT of regulation for both hotels and taxis is FAR FAR FAR removed from simply protecting health and safety and instead is more about preventing new entrants into the market and protecting current business models
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by robbiep on Thursday December 22, 2022 @08:48AM (#34093163)
Here in australia (sydney) we’re still paying $1 per rideshare ride as ‘compensation’ for the taxi disruption.

If that isn’t regulatory capture? I don’t know what is

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by Retric on Thursday December 22, 2022 @09:03AM (#34093312)
Could also be compensation for a medallion system the government was forcing Taxi company’s to buy into.

Force people to spend X00,000$/car to enter a market and then let ride-shares ignore that requirement that’s going to push all these companies to bankruptcy simply because the newcomers don’t have to pay interest on these loans.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by nly on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:32AM (#34092667)
With Airbnb you're on the hook for cleaning costs..at a hotel the assumption is the hotel will clean up your mess (as long as it's not extreme or unreasonable)
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by cudgy on Thursday December 22, 2022 @11:53AM (#34095455)
Hotels are certainly charging the guests for cleaning up; it is just not broken out as a separate charge. Of course, Airbnb’s do not have the economies of scale that a hotel has and in some cases for short term rentals charge more for the cleaning than the rented space. I stay with the pros and avoid Airbnb’s for both cost and convenience reasons.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by washywashy on Thursday December 22, 2022 @08:08AM (#34092849)
Pretty sure some airbnbs don’t even clean between guests. I’ve had some iffy experiences, and because of the consistently issues, it’s why I prefer hotels now unless there’s no other option.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by ejb999 on Thursday December 22, 2022 @09:38AM (#34093662)
same here - airbnb had its day in the sun for me - its back to hotels for me whenever I can.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by tbihl on Thursday December 22, 2022 @10:47AM (#34094522)
Without knowing what sort of information sharing exists among hotels, I'd suspect that AirBnB has a much stronger reputation signal that can be relied upon, which should disincentivize and blacklist people who are trashing places or causing pest problems.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by rob74 on Thursday December 22, 2022 @02:19AM (#34090740)
Even if there is some food lying around in a room on the 3rd floor, the cockroaches and rats won't just materialize out of thin air. Unless the hygienic conditions are generally bad anyway, but then the hotel has a bigger problem than one dirty room...
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by TeMPOraL on Thursday December 22, 2022 @04:26AM (#34091456)
> the cockroaches and rats won't just materialize out of thin air

In practice, you can assume they do - it's a simplified but accurate model of reality when you're not researching the life of insects and rodents.

Yes, life does not appear "out of thin air", but it constantly tries to get in, will exploit any crack in your defenses or attention to chase after anything that looks or smells like food or safety. It's simpler to just assume annoying critters materialize out of thin air if you leave the right conditions, and ensure those conditions are never present.

It's kind of like thermodynamics / statistical physics: the air around you doesn't really have "pressure" or "temperature", but you may just as well assume they're a thing, since the alternative would be to talk about kinematics of air molecules.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by MarkPNeyer on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:38AM (#34092361)
We had a mouse problem once. The ended up being a small hole drilled in the side of the house to install a cat5 cable for a security camera. The hole couldn't have been more than 1.5 cm in diameter, and it had a cat 5 cable running through it - but apparently this was enough space for a mouse to squeeze through.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by thirteenfingers on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:27AM (#34092637)
Obligatory Matthias Wandel video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHOx39xJack
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by ghaff on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:51AM (#34092771)
Living in a couple hundred year old house in the country, I find the idea that you'd actually keep mice out of a house like this somewhat hilarious.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by cudgy on Thursday December 22, 2022 @11:58AM (#34095524)
All you need are some outside cats roaming the spacious yard to discourage the small cute furry little rodents from “cozying” up in your house. When living in an urban dwelling with 50 other families, other strategies are needed.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by danaris on Thursday December 22, 2022 @02:40PM (#34097558)
Yeah; we've had mouse problems in our 90-ish-year-old house ever since we moved in a decade+ ago. Then in the winter of 2019-20, a cat started sheltering in our garage on a regular basis.

We had no mouse problems that winter, and very few since then.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by mcv on Thursday December 22, 2022 @05:19AM (#34091861)
I once heard that nowhere on Earth you're ever more than 6 meters away from a rat. I don't think that's true, but it's probably still a bad idea to blindly assume that there's no vermin anywhere. You keep vermin away by not feeding them.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by toyg on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:51AM (#34092446)
> owhere on Earth you're ever more than 6 meters away from a rat. I don't think that's true

I see that as realistic, if we are talking 2D spaces. In urban environments, they live in sewers, and you have sewers under every building. In the countryside, they obviously live everywhere.

I can see that 6-metres rule broken only if going 3D, i.e. in multi-storey buildings with spotless maintenance of any nook and cranny, living on the third or fourth floor, you might be a bit further away than that.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by tectec on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:53AM (#34092784)
The province of Alberta in Canada is famous for trying to be rat free, and I think they mostly succeeded
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by LarryMullins on Thursday December 22, 2022 @03:27PM (#34098202)
Alberta is ostensibly free of invasive Norwegian rats, but overlaps with the natural range of native bushy tailed wood rats.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by sokoloff on Thursday December 22, 2022 @10:51AM (#34094580)
It's probably not worth it just to avoid the rats, but Antartica is rat-free. (Other extremely cold places are likely to be as well, at least enough to make the 6-meter distance.)
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by cultofmetatron on Thursday December 22, 2022 @11:44AM (#34095320)
I'm pretty sure you an find places free of rats in the antarctic
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday December 22, 2022 @05:16AM (#34091835)
>Every single hotel or motel should be doing full clean between guest visits, otherwise it should not even be allowed to operate.

'Should be' yes, but you'd be surprised how many don't follow through on this, and not necessarily due to lack of policy. Cleaning staff have very tight schedules, being allocated only a few minutes to completely clean and setup the room for the new guest but if the old guest didn't follow through on the exact checkout time, then that throws of the schedule of the cleaning staff completely, meaning they often cut corners to meet their deadlines.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by robertlagrant on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:40AM (#34092372)
This is undoubtedly true, but I don't think it affects the main point. Doing less room-cleaning (or charging more for each time it happens) doesn't mean inter-guest cleaning is affected.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by snarfy on Thursday December 22, 2022 @08:33AM (#34093030)
This is how you get bed bugs.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by yardstick on Thursday December 22, 2022 @12:30AM (#34090157)
After the Las Vegas massacre, a lot of hotels will enter even if house keeping is always declined.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-hotels-revis...

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by lotsofpulp on Thursday December 22, 2022 @12:46AM (#34090241)
Especially since the hotel and the hotel’s insurers ended up paying $800M:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-settlement-m...

> Jim Frantz, whose San Diego-based law firm represents another 199 victims including Romo, said Thursday's settlement is a good first step. Now MGM must strengthen the security protocol at all their facilities, he said.

>"I would assume a responsible business, after going through something like this, would institute the highest level of security," Frantz said, adding that the company should add metal detectors and Navy SEAL-type security guards. "As long as we have automatic weapons, we've got to be on high alert with all our security."

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by josefx on Thursday December 22, 2022 @01:38AM (#34090511)
What the hell, how would they have resolved this if he wasn't living at the hotel? Add mandatory checks to every apartment in the area?
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by hinata08 on Thursday December 22, 2022 @04:30AM (#34091509)
Guns don't kill people, hotel rooms kill people
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by IncRnd on Friday December 23, 2022 @04:13PM (#34110681)
It's not exactly for that reason. The insurance companies don't want to be liable for a future similar incident, so they are pushing future liability onto hotels that don't do a million things to guard against the last incident from recurring. Then, the hotels put these checks in place, so the insurers won't push liablity costs onto them.

I guess it could be called a decrepit spiral of associative risk management.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by kortilla on Thursday December 22, 2022 @01:44AM (#34090550)
I wonder if the lawyer is really that stupid or just puts on a good act to help sell this nonsense. Requiring security at the hotel is as dumb as requiring security at the high rise condos just down the street (they don’t and nobody would buy them if they did).
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by saiya-jin on Thursday December 22, 2022 @03:00AM (#34090961)
Definitely a sales pitch from the clueless tone, aiming outright at most extreme measures. End game would be optic nerve chip to make sure everybody is in line and not being threat... few big attacks and many people would even welcome it
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by grishka on Thursday December 22, 2022 @04:03AM (#34091281)
There was a Black Mirror episode about a technology just like that.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by grishka on Thursday December 22, 2022 @04:02AM (#34091276)
Don't you just love how our society "fights" terrorism? Someone used something to kill someone, so let's ruin that thing for everyone, forever! Also see: air travel. I was a kid in the 90s and so I didn't fly before 9/11, but people say it was a much more enjoyable experience.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by pjc50 on Thursday December 22, 2022 @04:37AM (#34091561)
There's a world of difference between "you could assemble by some rube goldberg mechanism a bomb out of 100ml liquid containers" and actual firearms designed for easy long range killing.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by grishka on Thursday December 22, 2022 @04:57AM (#34091705)
As a sibling comment said, what if that shooter rented an apartment instead?
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by thfuran on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:49AM (#34092434)
I heard they took a bus once.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by grishka on Thursday December 22, 2022 @08:11AM (#34092878)
They also brushed their teeth in the morning.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by thfuran on Thursday December 22, 2022 @09:21AM (#34093500)
The fluorides industry really should take responsibility for this.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by IncRnd on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:30AM (#34092659)
Pre 9/11 to now for air travel is the difference between day and night. It's not even close. This pretend, fake security we have today imposes so many burdens and costs on people who wish to travel. The least suspicious would easily think that the changes were meant to federalize a big portion of many people's lives.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by eastbound on Thursday December 22, 2022 @09:27AM (#34093550)
Plus they’re not banning mobile phones or computers, and the best way to get something on fire is to shortcut a Li-ion battery - how much energy does a macbook contain.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by CyberDildonics on Thursday December 22, 2022 @09:56AM (#34093883)
How many laptops or phones have exploded on planes?
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by sokoloff on Thursday December 22, 2022 @10:54AM (#34094624)
I think you might be mis-reading the GP's point. It's not that it's a common occurrence for laptops to spontaneously combust, but rather than an adversary could intentionally cause one (or several) to do so.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by CyberDildonics on Thursday December 22, 2022 @11:24AM (#34095037)
And then what? Is someone going to hijack a plane by setting their laptop battery on fire?
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by sokoloff on Thursday December 22, 2022 @12:15PM (#34095749)
Suicide bombers have downed planes before. Bombs have been left in the cabin to go off on the next segment.

It’s not every terrorists goal to walk away from their event.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by CyberDildonics on Thursday December 22, 2022 @03:07PM (#34097944)
Do you have a link where a terrorist exploded a battery on a plane? I've never heard of that before.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by sokoloff on Thursday December 22, 2022 @08:01PM (#34101100)
No; no one here claimed that it had been done, only that it's a potential threat.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by eastbound on Friday December 23, 2022 @02:23AM (#34103150)
Yes. Wrap it in some inflammable scarf/coat to get it going. Or find an Android vulnerability and make several phones burn at the same time.

Anyway, it’s no more a risk than guns or water on planes since it hasn’t happened yet; but among this security circus, it’s hypocritical to ban water and not li-ion batteries.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by CyberDildonics on Friday December 23, 2022 @04:57PM (#34111055)
inflammable scarf/coat

I think you mean flammable.

find an Android vulnerability and make several phones burn at the same time

I don't think exists.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by sokoloff on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:45PM (#34112036)
Inflammable and flammable are very close synonyms. Non-flammable is the antonym.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by CyberDildonics on Friday December 23, 2022 @09:12PM (#34113144)
Non-flammable is the antonym

That doesn't matter here. Clothes might be flammable, but are not volatile enough to be labeled inflammable.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by IncRnd on Friday December 23, 2022 @08:56PM (#34113037)
> I think you mean flammable.

Inflammable and flammable are both adjectives that mean "easily set on fire". They have slightly different etymologies. In the case of inflammable, in- means "into" and is not a negation.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by ls15 on Thursday December 22, 2022 @05:07AM (#34091778)
> Muller says new hotel security measures are being developed, including new luggage scanners, which – unlike those at the airport, which may require an officer to open a customer's bag -- uses new technology to detect what's inside without the person even knowing it.

Great if you like paranoia. I guess I am not going to Vegas.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by robertlagrant on Thursday December 22, 2022 @06:42AM (#34092395)
> As long as we have automatic weapons

But you don't, really. They're all antiques.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by exhilaration on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:42AM (#34092722)
While you are technically correct, NEARLY automatic weapons (binary triggers) are legal in most states, here's a random video for the curious: https://youtu.be/rOkAZkk__5g

And fully automatic (but illegal) weapons are easily available in the form of Glock auto sears https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkp8p8/glock-switches-auto-s... my buddy in Baltimore heard on of these being shot in his Baltimore neighborhood a few weeks back.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by robertlagrant on Thursday December 22, 2022 @09:00AM (#34093276)
I think this is a stretch. Binary triggers are tricky to use, and aren't nearly automatic. They're slightly more automatic than semi-automatic, but much, much less usable.

In terms of illegal weapons, yes. There are illegal fully automatic weapons in the US without taking your example into account. I'm talking about what's legal.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by dahart on Thursday December 22, 2022 @10:01AM (#34093928)
This sub-thread started on the Vegas massacre, where the shooter used a bump stock. It was legal at the time and pretty damn close to automatic.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by robertlagrant on Thursday December 22, 2022 @10:52AM (#34094595)
That's fair, although I still don't think it's that close. An actually automatic weapon is the sort of thing militaries use, and witout minimising the horror that a bump stock can cause, I think they do far more.

Back to my original point, it's still wrong to say this will happen while we have automatic weapons. Why perpetuate a lie?

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by dahart on Thursday December 22, 2022 @10:56AM (#34094663)
Several states and the Federal government found bump stock close enough to automatic that they are no longer legal. I’d guess the quote from the article is referring to the same point of view, a thin line from the perspective of the non gun-owning layman.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by robertlagrant on Thursday December 22, 2022 @12:37PM (#34096017)
It's a thin line because of terrible reporting. This is destructive because until we get basic facts clear the pro-gun people are just not going to take people who say such things seriously. No more "assault-style" weapons or "fully semi-automatic" guns. Just tell the truth and break down the semantic defenses.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by dahart on Thursday December 22, 2022 @07:16PM (#34100774)
Naw, it’s a thin line because the whole point of bump stocks is to make a semi-automatic fire like an automatic. Even the NRA says so, this has nothing to do with the quality of reporting.

‘In the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, twelve bump stocks were found at the scene.[7] The National Rifle Association stated on October 5, 2017, "Devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations"’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_stock#Federal

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by robertlagrant on Friday December 23, 2022 @06:02AM (#34104460)
> the whole point of bump stocks is to make a semi-automatic fire like an automatic

Then the lawyer should say "we should ban bump stocks" instead of perpetuating the lie that automatic weapons are prevalent in the US.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by dahart on Friday December 23, 2022 @11:53AM (#34107964)
They did say that, and now we have fewer automatic-like weapons in the US. Hey I have no problem with your suggestion, I like the alternative wording you offered! I’m just pointing out that the quote was mostly reasonable at the time, I agree it’s slightly inaccurate as a shortcut summary of the situation, but I don’t think it’s as egregious as you claim. I’ll add that one quote out of context from one article does not establish a pattern. You jumped to complaining about the pattern without evidence of a pattern.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by robertlagrant on Friday December 23, 2022 @04:59PM (#34111064)
I thought it would be tedious to link to however many examples would illustrate a pattern. I think this wording is pretty commonplace though - military-style rifle, which sounds like "military grade" but is a motte and bailey for "looks military". That sort of thing.

I'm not a gun person at all, but I really despise manipulative language in media. That's why I'm harping on.

Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by dahart on Friday December 23, 2022 @05:51PM (#34111511)
Fair enough, I hear you.
Re:Hotels turn to robots and room cleanings every 4 days to ... by mise_en_place on Thursday December 22, 2022 @01:54AM (#34090608)
First off roaches are endemic to Las Vegas. Like NYC. I don’t care how clean you think you are, if you don’t have pest control services, you will get roaches.

Secondly hotels inside of casinos both outside of and including the strip will regularly clean rooms. They also have regular pest control services, as the rooms are high traffic and constantly occupied.